Root Access

Bob

17:00

Ya. It's in the sandbox.

allquixotic

where's that?

qwertyuiop

19 secs ago, by qwertyuiop

1 min ago, by qwertyuiop

55 secs ago, by qwertyuiop

14 mins ago, by allquixotic

Go to sleep Bob

allquixotic

wait, nevermind

Bob

Chatroom

allquixotic

you're supposed to be asleep

qwertyuiop

17:00

19 secs ago, by qwertyuiop

1 min ago, by qwertyuiop

55 secs ago, by qwertyuiop

14 mins ago, by allquixotic

Go to sleep Bob

Bob

It's only 3am :P

allquixotic

Guys, paste huge complicated GIFs! they'll both drain his battery and make him want to stop using data :D

That Brazilian Guy

1 min ago, by Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy 😴 📱 🛏 🛌

qwertyuiop

@allquixotic Ahaha great idea

Bob

Just have to be up before... 12?

That Brazilian Guy

17:01

He is, don't you see? Sleepyguy, pill, square, square

allquixotic

Go! Find the biggest GIFs ever!

Bob

... I'm on Wi-Fi anyway

allquixotic

any GIFs of the entire Star Wars saga (every frame, not those cheap ones)?

Bob

Also, I'll probably hop on a computer and trash it

qwertyuiop

Wait that wasn't the right gif

jokerdino

17:02

i.imgur.com/RC3epxp.webm

oh damn

qwertyuiop

FTFY, but it's only 4MB

Bob

→ 4 messages moved to Trash

jokerdino

you guys are killing my connection

4

qwertyuiop

> Bob has invited you to join Trash. See your invitations.

Really now?

You think i'm trash huh

allquixotic

Ha! He can't bin a gif of a beautiful fox!

qwertyuiop

17:05

Bob is treating me like trash. Literally :-(

Bob

Eh, it's 2 MB.

That Brazilian Guy

I had minimized the screen, left for the kitchen, came back and... why is my download meter maxed out??

qwertyuiop

There, found the 80MB GIF I was looking for

!!pleaseholdyourcallisimportanttous

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: pleasewaityourcallisimportanttous

Bob

Also, yea, please don't do this. Remember some people here have very limited connections...

2

qwertyuiop

17:07

!!pleasewaityourcallisimportanttous

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

→ 1 message moved to Trash

qwertyuiop

23 mins ago, by allquixotic

Go to sleep Bob

Bob

I'm trying to be serious here. I will pull out the kick-mute.

qwertyuiop

If you had listened to @allquixotic 23 minutes ago none of this would have happened

Bob

17:08

→ 1 message moved to Trash

jokerdino

guys stop.

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

Bob

@qwertyuiop Sometimes, it's in good fun. But this is getting out of hand.

DavidPostill

I now have 1.9 GB to last me 13 days :/

qwertyuiop

→ 1 Bob moved to Trash

DavidPostill

17:09

@qwertyuiop Are you offering to pay my excess?

allquixotic

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1?m=6902042#6902042 - not a gif, but don't want to onebox it here either

qwertyuiop

@Bob Oh c'mon, you even deleted the 1MB cute jumpy fox? :-(

When bob deletes cute foxes, you know he's way beyond out of it. And needs sleep

@allquixotic He did :-( He tried to bin me too :-(

@jokerdino Haha this is great, I am going to have to use this soooooo mcuh nin the next week

allquixotic

One More Episode of Battlestar Galactica

►

Ben N

Oh man, I didn't realize that Lord of the Memes GIF was so huge. Sorry y'all

183MB according to PowerShell

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop Command pleasewaityourbobisimportanttousandwillbeansweredbythenextavailablefoxerator learned

qwertyuiop

17:19

!!forget pleasewaityourbobisimportanttousandwillbeansweredbythenextavailablefoxerator

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop Command pleasewaityourbobisimportanttousandwillbeansweredbythenextavailablefoxerator forgotten.

qwertyuiop

@Burgi Damn I want that job

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop Command pleasecontinuetoholdyourbobisimportanttousandwillbeansweredbythenextavailablefox‌erator learned

Tom Wijsman

17:44

!!/ban qwertyuiop

ChatBot John Cavil

@TomWijsman The user will be thrown into mindjail in 1 more invocations

Tom Wijsman

!!/taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

qwertyuiop

!!ban TomWijsman

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop TomWijsman added to mindjail.

qwertyuiop

17:51

!!ban taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop The user will be thrown into mindjail in 1 more invocations

qwertyuiop

!!unban taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop You do not have permission to use the command unban

qwertyuiop

!!ignore

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: snore

qwertyuiop

17:51

!!undo

ChatBot John Cavil

@qwertyuiop I'm afraid I can't let you do that, qwertyuiop

qwertyuiop

!!snore

ChatBot John Cavil

zzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZ

Bob

18:07

!!export

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Exported to gist, id: 4fb6a88f75458e017d3854b01daeb428 viewable at gist.github.com/4fb6a88f75458e017d3854b01daeb428

Bob

!!unban TomWijsman

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob TomWijsman freed from mindjail!

Bob

@allquixotic We need to fix permissions on the ban/unban.

DavidPostill

@Bob Can room owners ban?

Bob

18:11

@DavidPostill Room owners are considered the same as mods for the purpose of bot permissions.

But the vote-to-ban was apparently not correctly disabled.

DavidPostill

@Bob Thanks. I was thinking of bot banning somebody else ... there are at least two annoying users at the moment.

Bob

@DavidPostill I generally avoid bot-bans.

If it's an issue of flooding the chatroom, that's more a kick-mute kind of thing.

DavidPostill

OK

Bob

If it's bot abuse (e.g. getting the bot to say something that could be flagged), that's bot-ban, IMO.

Need to set up a sandbox room to fiddle with the bot without interrupting main conversations...

@DavidPostill These are just how I'd personally handle things :P Of course others here do it differently.

DavidPostill

@Bob There was an instance of that earlier

Bob

18:15

JMG did give out a botban earlier today.

@DavidPostill This one..? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/118?m=30119675#30119675

DavidPostill

@Bob I'm always happy to take your advice. Sometimes neither of you are around ...

@Bob Yes, that one

Bob

@DavidPostill Heh, apparently my 'moderation style' is a lot more lenient than others'.

DavidPostill

@Bob I try to be as well. But it's hard to know where to draw the line.

Bob

@DavidPostill Do you know the origins of the !!ban command?

DavidPostill

@Bob No

Bob

18:18

The JS room had the bot as a room owner and the room in read-only (approve to write).

The bot would add people to the approved list as they entered the room.

Then the !!ban could remove someone from that list, which actually removed their room write privileges too.

That was before kick-mute existed.

DavidPostill

AAh

Bob

IIRC some of the SE team didn't like that functionality being hacked in like this.

Kick-mute might've actually been added as a reaction to the uproar when they wanted to ban bots entirely.

We don't really need !!ban for anything here.

I (very occasionally) kinda use it as a weaker form of "please stop doing that with the bot", but for most uses kick-mute is technically more appropriate...

Ben N

@Bob IIRC the bot's author set up a sandbox-like deal somewhere

Bob

@BenN Yea, that's how they do it over at JS.

But Cavil doesn't have the ability to be in multiple rooms. That was ripped out at one point.

DavidPostill

@Bob Yes, but we have a problem with "spoiled toddlers" in the room seeking attention. At least that's how I see it sometimes.

They know what they are doing is pushing the boundaries and they do it anyway ...

jokerdino

18:23

no, they are doing it intentionally

DavidPostill

@jokerdino Exactly

Bob

@DavidPostill Back to the "where to draw the line" - this isn't "no fun allowed" :P

So, yea. Nice hard subjective decisions.

DavidPostill

@Bob Agreed.

jokerdino

guess we should stick with a warn first and boot if no improvement.

DavidPostill

That's what I'm working to. I'm trying to be nice. So 3 strikes and your out kind of thing.

DavidPostill

18:42

@jokerdino @Bob The problem with that is that we (room owners, I don't know about mods) can't tell if the recipient of the warning has "ignored this user" and can't see the warnings.

jokerdino

I cant tell it either

DavidPostill

Maybe we need a chat enhancement so that room owners and mods can't be ignored ...

jokerdino

not gonna happen

Mast

@DavidPostill I'd say ignoring moderators is at your own risk. If you're stupid enough to do that, you deserve whatever comes to you.

Mokubai

18:58

@DavidPostill Mods can see who a user is ignoring, but disclosing that fact is a no-no

jokerdino

I never saw that.

Mokubai

But I'd say that ignoring a room owner is done at the risk of being kicked out of the room and not knowing why. It's up to that person to accept the risk. They can always just check the transcript anyway.

jokerdino

I know if someone is ignoring someone else but I cant tell who that someone is.

DavidPostill

@Mokubai Thanks. I will bear that advice in mind.

@jokerdino Er which someone is someone? You can tell if someone is ignoring someone or you can tell if someone is being ignored?

If that makes sense.

jokerdino

lets say you are being ignored by someone else, I can tell you are being ignored.

DavidPostill

19:03

OK.

Mokubai

On a persons chat profile you can see "being ignored by x users"

jokerdino

but I cant tell if you are ignoring someone else.

DavidPostill

@Mokubai Where do I look on my profile then?

Mokubai

chat.stackexchange.com/users/133966/davidpostill

does it not say there?

jokerdino

its not revealed to puny users.

Mokubai

19:05

or is that a mod-only thing?

jokerdino

and also, only to parent site mods.

Mokubai

oh

DavidPostill

I only found "You are not ignoring anyone."

@Mokubai No. So can you tell me if I am being ignored?

jokerdino

hehe

Mokubai

Okay. Mod only then. Even then we can't see who is actually ignoring.

DavidPostill

19:07

@Mokubai I don't care. I'm just curious for a yes or no.

jokerdino

it's very vague

Mast

@DavidPostill If they can, they won't tell.

jokerdino

if you are being ignored by someone else, we can tell.

Mast

9 mins ago, by Mokubai

@DavidPostill Mods can see who a user is ignoring, but disclosing that fact is a no-no

jokerdino

identity is not revealed

Mast

19:08

It doesn't work the other way around though. There is no 'this user is being ignored by x, y and z'.

DavidPostill

@Mast I'm not asking for the username. I'm asking if any user is ignoring me.

@jokerdino I don't want the identity. I don't care who it is.

jokerdino

I cant tell you because this is SU and I dont see any info.

maybe if you quickly switch to Ask Ubuntu profile, I can tell you.

DavidPostill

@jokerdino But @Mokubai can

@jokerdino OK switching.

jokerdino

~~all fingers point to yes~~ Not true. Never saw anything.

DavidPostill

@jokerdino Thanks.

jokerdino

19:12

hm, not that way. The account that is linked to your chat profile

do you see that 'parent user'?

I guess I shouldnt be revealing anything.

DavidPostill

@jokerdino Yes I see my parent user

jokerdino

if that is SU profile, then SU mods can see your thangs.

depending on whatever that is, respective site mods should be able to see more things.

DavidPostill

Yes it's my su profile.

Mokubai

Weird, first spam I've seen for fake passports...

DavidPostill

@jokerdino @Mokubai I give up. Why is it so hard to get a yes/no answer which doesn't actually reveal any names. :p

jokerdino

19:17

dont know. I cant see things

DavidPostill

OK I don't give up. The secret message revealed all...

jokerdino

cant reveal names, even if there is a person ignoring.

DavidPostill

Thanks

jokerdino

yeah, you already were clued in.

Ben N

I would imagine that everybody who's ever issued an even slightly stern warning has at least one ignorer

DavidPostill

19:18

I wasn't looking at my inbox ... sneaky

Mokubai

Have we got anyone who plays Destiny here?

jokerdino

@BenN I need to work on that

Mokubai

19:45

Good old BT, you get great reliable service out of them. And their call centres are an absolute joy to talk to.

Burgi

"drama"

Mokubai

"club"

DavidPostill

@Mokubai Do I detect a note of sarcasm ... :p

Mokubai

@DavidPostill There might be a slight teeny-weeny bit of sarcasm there. Let's just say that if I had my way all of the spammers and game cheaters would have BT Internet connections.

That'd learn 'em

Burgi

20:08

ah...... virgin media...... :D

all my lovely lovely fibre optics

DavidPostill

@Burgi BT has fibre as well ...

Burgi

only to the green box thing

DavidPostill

@Burgi That's the same for VM.

Virgin Media operates a variation on the part-fibre arrangement, technically known as HFC (Hybrid Fibre-Coaxial) with DOCSIS 3 technology. Here the fibre connection runs as far as your nearest Virgin-owned cabinet, and the connection between the cabinet and your home is via a coaxial cable.

FTTC is a kind of hybrid part-fibre technology where the fibre optic cables run from the telephone exchange to your local telecoms cabinet — the green box at the end of your street. Many cabinets will have a 'Fibre broadband available here' sticker on them where it is available. The connection from the cabinet to your home is via the standard twisted pair copper telephone wire.

BT is FTTC

So either way you have copper or coax for the last bit.

Burgi

i was sold a lie?

they told me it was FTTH

DavidPostill

I agree coax is potentially faster but neither are fibre to the home (which you can get in NL). I should move back there ...

Burgi

20:20

next you'll be telling me that richard branson doesn't own VM anymore... ;)

DavidPostill

@Burgi Yes, they lied.

telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/…

Burgi

its too late to change it now

DavidPostill

"Work laying fibre optics has already begun in Cambridgeshire and Leicestershire and will start soon in West Yorkshire, Devon and East Sussex, Virgin Media said."

I don't see manchester in the list.

Burgi

tbf it was NTL that told me it was FTTH, not VM

DavidPostill

"One provider that does offer FTTH is Hyperoptic (hyperoptic.com). Because it's fibre the whole way, it can offer lickety-split speeds of up to 1Gb with totally unlimited downloads.

The downside is that Hyperoptic isn't available everywhere. It's only found in select buildings, usually apartment blocks, that would particularly benefit from it. This is because of all that pesky disruption it takes to install - it makes more sense to connect an entire building full of residents than just one house."

They are still bloody fast (and cheaper) compared to my mobile tethered connection :/

Burgi

20:32

when i had my own place i went with BT because i needed a phoneline installing and it was free with them

DavidPostill

20:43

When I have my own place I will see what is available.

Burgi

20:54

i shouldn't have given this answer a pass the first time

-1

A: How to inspect memory map on OSX

It looks like the real answer is to use the vmmap command.

he claims the accepted answer is wrong then refuses to elaborate on why or how

DavidPostill

Weird. I seem to have an additional 20 reviews in close and first posts

Burgi

HACKS!

DavidPostill

I went though both queues earlier today and used up my 20 votes ...

@Burgi I pressed delete.

Burgi

i had to reflag it

i'd say the guy doesn't "get" the site but he has 1.3k on SO

DavidPostill

Never mind - I was confused

Ben N

20:59

Different queue?

Or different site?

DavidPostill

@BenN Reloaded the review page and it looks normal.

Ben N

I thought SO was trying some experiment with extra reviews for massive queues, but I don't know if that applied to other sites or exactly how big the limit is

DavidPostill

@BenN But it says I've done 37 first post reviews today ... in recent reviews, and thanks me for 20 ... I'm still confused

Ben N

I think the text that says "20" is hardcoded

And the review stats page does say for me that you've done 37

DavidPostill

@BenN Which should be impossible

Ben N

21:05

Maybe for some reason it's considering reviews done in the "day" as defined by some non-UTC timezone?

DavidPostill

It happened before that the limits were changed on Super User. JMG was confused as well when I asked him.

I always do them early in the morning (UK time) and use up my 20. I was just surprised to have some more ...

Ariane

My computer turned off on its own. I figured it was a fine opportunity for a map. When I woke up, I went to turn my computer on. No effect. Everything was plugged in right. I reset my power bar. The computer turned on on its own, produced sparks from its rear, turned off, and then started smoking. RIP.

For a nap*

Anyone has an idea why this happened?

DavidPostill

"and then started smoking. RIP" The computer ignored the warnings on the packet?

@Ariane "I reset my power bar" what is a power bar and how did you reset it?

Ariane

Haha. I meant it started producing smoke on its own. At this point though with this whole suicidal mood going on, cigarettes wouldn't be beyond it.

Burgi

cheap non-compliant power bar?

Ariane

21:12

A power bar is um. Those bars with many power plugs on them, and a switch to cut the power off. I think they also auto turn off if there's a surge. I reset it by pushing the switch to off, then to on.

I have no idea. I got it from my mom when I moved out years ago

Burgi

have you had your circuit breaker tested recently?

DavidPostill

@Ariane Aah. A surge protector power strip? Does it it have a make/model? Can you provide a picture?

Ariane

I don't think so. This is an apartment so this stuff isn't really my responsibility

But sure, I'll go take a picture

DavidPostill

If you are lucky you will just need a new power supply for your PC. A repair shop will be able to test and tell you.

Burgi

i would ask the landlord to get the circuit breaker tested too

Ariane

21:18

How do you even test this stuff? Worth noting I don't remember having had power problems before

I have pictures, lemme imgur them

imgur.com/a/RspP6

The big one is in turn plugged into the thin one

DavidPostill

If you have a dodgy power supply the surge protector wont last forever.

You are running a lot of stuff from 1 wall socket?

I think the surge protector has failed (it should probably have a green light next to "OK").

Ariane

All of my PC. (Screen etc.) A TV, a few consoles.

No wait the tv isn't plugged in there

DavidPostill

When they fail two things can happen. Either they stop supplying power at all (which is the safest as you then know to buy a new one) or they carry on working (with no protection). The second is dangerous if you didn't notice it has stopped working ...

Ariane

Btw the sparks came out from where the rear USB ports are. If I had to guess I'd say what made them was the motherboard or something directly plugged in onto it.

DavidPostill

@Ariane Could have been the power supply. A big sealed box inside the case if your have a desktop. A PSU normally has a fuse in it, but you shouldn't open it to fix yourself. That is a specialist job. And if you have smoke then it could be something else.

Surge protectors have a limited lifetime. IT would be good to buy an new one anyway.

Ariane

21:31

So basically a surge happened right when I was flipping the switch? Sounds like bad luck

DavidPostill

And take your computer to a repair shop and keep your fingers crossed.

Ariane

The power supply is on the bottom and it's quite possibly the most premium thing in this PC. I'm rather surprised to hear that

Yeah I shall. I'll need to have someone take me though, this stuff is hard to carry around on the bus

DavidPostill

When you flipped the switch you turned on everything attached. So they all got powered up at once ...

Ariane

Speaking of which why did the PC just turn on on its own when O flipped the switch?

DavidPostill

Don't know. Without knowing why it went off (by itself) it's hard to tell.

Ariane

21:36

I should have checked whether the other stuff plugged into it was turned on

DavidPostill

Make sure you get the electrics/wiring tested in your apartment. That is the landlords job and normally it is a legal requirement to get it tested every x years.

@Ariane Yes.

Ariane

They don't even fix stuff we ask every year. Not sure they would do it. But I'll ask.

DavidPostill

Good luck ;)

@BenN " Thank you for reviewing 40 first posts today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing."

Ariane

21:51

Thanks.

bwDraco

Laptop battery is at 85.4%, plugged in but not charging. Battery is probably failing at this point.

(It's indicating that it has 63.4% of designed capacity, but it's not even hitting that.)

Replace or continue to use?

I am not dismantling the battery. The cells have probably gone bad and will have inadequate capacity for my use.

Burgi

dismantling the battery just sounds lethal

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