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I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.
PDFs are so ubiquitous these days it just seems like a huge oversight not to have the basic create and scan options in a modern OS
i expect it is down to adobe licensing though
crazy... turns out you can't scan over wifi
@Burgi What's the issue? You're trying to scan over Wifi?
no, i was trying to investigate an issue for another user
rather than go and sit in front of the other pc i was attempting to install it over the wifi on this pc
@Burgi @CanadianLuke actually, windows has a print to pdf option...
Microsoft Office has since 2007
00:14
@JourneymanGeek The question is about scanning multiple page documents to PDF
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Q: How to scan multiple pages into a single pdf in Windows 10?

NaceiraIt can't be so difficult!... There are similar questions in this forum but they're years old. Anyone has any smart solution on how to do this in a simple (and preferably free) way? I've tried Windows Fax and Scan and the new Scanner App in Win 10. The first one simply doesn't scan to pdf and the...

btw my edit suggestion should be rejected as per @DavidPostill comment
I would scan each page to jpg and convert the jpgs to pdf. That requires software though.
i would use the scanner builtin software
Exactly. On most scanners you don't get a PDF. Mine gave me images ...
00:20
the HP software that came with mine has a "scan to PDF" button on the software splash screen
!!s/most/some/
@DavidPostill That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@DavidPostill Exactly. On some scanners you don't get a PDF. Mine gave me images ... (source)
i did find something totally awesome from 4 years ago when i hosted a pub quiz at christmas
name the beatles tracks!
lol
my MFD will scan to PDF without a computer
@JourneymanGeek I'm sure your MFD has a built-in computer ...
00:26
@DavidPostill most of them do I suppose
and this is one of those slightly fancy networked things. WIfi, lan, etc
i thought @JourneymanGeek was neo, he just manipulates the fabric of reality and poof! he has a pdf in front of him
can scan directly via network but getting that to work is a crapshoot so I just save to sd card
@Burgi PDF is an open standard. It's specified in ISO 32000. Anyone can implement it.
In theory you can write a PDF file by hand
@JourneymanGeek My old Epson can, that's for sure.
In fact, on my HP 8630, it's the default option.
00:31
it only got ISO rating in 2008 according to wiki
btw: norwegian wood, long and winding road, lucy in the sky with diamonds, while my guitar gently weeps, red revolver, yellow submarine, strawberry fields forever, i am the walrus
the rest i don't know and have long since lost the answers
oh one more: nightingale sings in the dead of night
the calendar one is 8 days a week
literally no idea about the others
it went down a storm at the quiz as nobody could google the answers
@DavidPostill 600 MHz processor and 128 MB of RAM on mine.
@bwDraco I love how those specs would've been suitable for a full-scale desktop PC within my lifetime (and indeed, when I was a toddler that would have been supercomputer caliber kit)
did you see that google has beat that korean guy at go?
00:40
@allquixotic Spec sheet
See table on page 4.
> Memory/Processor speed 128 MB/600 MHz
@allquixotic @bwDraco you could play doom on it
@Burgi Appears to be a Canon PIXMA of some sort.
...yup
They always use DOOM whenever someone is able to run arbitrary apps on some device. Why?
@allquixotic that probably beats the crap out of my old SGI octane ;p
@bwDraco simple, lots of FOSS ports, visually impressive.
because doom is to go to app for geeks trying to get something to run stuff it shouldn't
and its cool
Also, cause its how its done
kinda like how lena is the default for still picture scanning, the utah teapot is the 3d reference, and bad apple is a FMV reference.
00:46
also the guy who posted the video looks like a fellow eve online pilot
Well, Doom is one of those 3D engines that can be done efficiently entirely in software (no GPU needed of any sort), and the FOSS enhancements done to the codebase make it pretty darn portable (it's also been Emscriptened, etc.) and it's a simple enough project while obviously showing some definite progress in making the platform work
@bwDraco meh, dragging someone into a conversation that happened yesterday is somewhat annoying.
Sorry about that.
:28143904 I have a LaserJet 100 color MFP M175nw. For the rare times I print, it works. Toner wears out a little faster than I'd like, but it's reliable and it doesn't dry up over time. Also, 90% of the time I use the device, it's for scanning, not printing.
@bwDraco you mean into the THIRD DIMENSION!!!!! cue spooky twilight zone music
00:48
@allquixotic they could have done it with... i donno, wolfenstein?
The fact that iD open sources older engines might be a factor
Not very opinionated on printing - sure, I'm interested in low cost per page, but I do so little printing that I could probably even get by just owning a dedicated scanner device (or letting my printer sit with 0% toner for years)
wolfenstein doesnt have the same cult appeal
no, wolfenstein 3d is a bad example. Also id
what was that other one...
@allquixotic Hmm. Rather high cost per page.
Duke Nukem 3d!
00:49
not open sourced
Color laser cost per page typically isn't great until you get to the high-end models.
yup
not everyone does high volume printing all the time.
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@allquixotic Turns out I actually do a lot more copying than printing :P
...and unless you're printing thousands of pages a month, inkjet makes more sense.
in fact the rights to it are so closely guarded that GOG.com had to withdraw it from sale at christmas
00:50
I do precious little copying or printing
Even so, inkjet is already beating laser in a lot of use cases.
My printer is like my optical drive...
except that I turned on my inkjet after barely using it for 6 months and most of the ink had evaporated
I end up using it for my parents most of the time
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@bwDraco On the contrary, having a laser printer with toner that can last decades makes more sense.
00:51
toner doesn't evaporate
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@allquixotic s/most/all/
I've had inkjets where the toner dries up after a week, never mind a month.
Never seen one last past a year.
my mechanical engineering friend is trying to get a 3D printer for his consultancy business
@allquixotic heh, pretty sure my refill inks have detereoated somewhat in the bottle. I did used to prime my dell with a little ink.
@Burgi they're reasonablyish priced now
Yup. Depends on your use case. HP printers have, in our experience, been problem-free even if they sit there for months at a time, but other brands aren't exactly as good.
I've had constant trouble with magenta clogging on my old Epson printers—the whole reason they've been retired.
(My pixma has a transparent ink tank. As long as there's some ink in it, I'm good)
also, we use refills, which are cheap
Bob
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00:53
@bwDraco ...HP printers are the exact ones I've had trouble with.
agreed but i think he is holding off a bit longer for the metal dust/epoxy ones
I think the FDM ones look like they'll reach 'slightly pricy toy' prices soon
00:55
which is good
Officejet Pro 8610/8620 passes the test (page 3). (8630 uses the same print engine.)
especially since it gives me an excuse to learn (basic) 3d modelling
heh
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> Results will be considered “Pass” if print quality is restored to out-of-box standards within three (3) cleaning cycles.
3 cleaning cycles?!
Sure. Use 80% of your ink on cleaning.
@Bob That's after several months of storage and non-use.
00:56
i'm not looking forward to debugging issues with 3d printers
@Burgi I fix a ton of stuff at home
That is definitely not possible with the Epson printers I've gone through.
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@bwDraco That's also exactly the conditions we're talking about.
and there's times when being able to print a 3d part rather than fix a cracked one would be lovely.
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That's definitely very easy with every laser printer I've ever owned.
00:57
@Bob Hmm. What models? Might have been older ink formulations...
@JourneymanGeek so you'd be printing tons of widgets to fix broken plastic?
(My headphones currently have poor man's composite holding them together)
@Burgi pretty much
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@bwDraco Can't recall of the top of my head. One was in an old workplace.
> Original HP ink cartridges are designed and proven to not dry out after months of non-printing
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00:58
With fresh cartridges purchased ~2014.
@Burgi lemme give you an example
Our dryer is at least 15 years old.
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Even if they don't completely dry out, having to run 3 cleaning cycles every time will empty them damn fast.
in the UK you can pay £80 at the supermarket to have a 3d printed model of yourself
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@bwDraco Also, considering the ink and head are both part of the cartridge, this doesn't have anything to do with the printer model.
We replace then fan belt every 6 months or so. Door's broken, and held in place with a metal plate on the door, and a old headphone magnet epoxied to the other side.
On the other hand, my mother's nearly decade-old HP Officejet printer (which does, in fact, use cartridge-integrated heads) has never had a problem with clogs, even with cartridges that are more than two years old.
@Burgi being able to 3d print fittings for my headphones would have been ace
HP 56/57 cartridges are practically problem-free.
I'm probably buying a new pair soon.
If I could get materials, refurbishing this slightly fancylike would be a good learning experience
(and an excuse to get more tools, but $$ :( )
lol
01:02
You might have had bad luck with the particular printer models, print engines, or ink formulations you've gone through. Last time I checked, we've never had trouble with HP printers clogging.
i admit just printing out parts for broken stuff would be extremely useful
its 1 am and i need to de-pc before i can sleep
This is why I wound up selecting HP. Printhead clogs are the exception, not the rule.
I've almost never had printhead clogs with my canons
01:05
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moody sod
anyway
nn all
It's an Officejet 4215, a model released 12 (!!!) years ago.
I think the current one is hitting 7 years
the previous one was working fine, but they offered to upgrade it, and it made sense at the time
They still make cartridges for it. Not cheap, but as mentioned before, have absolutely no trouble sitting there for years on end.
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Hm. Lenovo B70 w/ i3-4005U
$400.
Ordering one for my mum :P
Let's see how long it lasts.
It's replacing a 8+ year old Vostro (w/ Centrino c2d)
> You get what you pay for with genuine HP cartridges. It's for an old office printer used primarily as a fax machine, and the last one lasted *years* before we had to replace it. HP just knows how to make catridges [sic] that don't clog even when they sit there unused for long periods of time. Worth every dollar.
> Original HP ink cartridges are designed and proven to not dry out after months of non-printing
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what? are you replacing it because it says PC load letter?
On the other hand, the Epson inks tended to clog in ways that cannot be cleaned in normal use.
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@bwDraco Once again, you miss the whole *after a lot of cleaning cycles
It might work for you as a frequent printer.
I'm not interested in spending the majority of my money on ink wasted by cleaning.
Wirth Consulting did report some issues with printers that use integrated-head cartridges after 180 days, but it's inconceivable that I would not print for months at a time.
@Bob at that price though, dosen't feel like it matters that much
> Although the [Integrated Print Head] equipped printers were able to print after 180 days of idle (un-powered and non-printing), (primarily) black printing anomalies were apparent even after repeated software-controlled head-cleaning cycles.
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01:23
@JourneymanGeek Hm?
(yeah, bit of a wasteful mindset but dollar a day, and it should at least work for a year)
;p
I reasonably expect a printhead cleaning operation to be required if the printer has been sitting there for several months.
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@JourneymanGeek Yea, but the goal is to spend the least possible over as long a period as possible :P
Most critically (and this applies to the Officejet Pro 8630, which uses the same print engine as the 8620 tested):
> The IIC equipped HP printers were able to produce print quality that met initial specification (some software-controlled head-cleaning cycles may be required). The HP OEM inks did not “dry out,” even after 180 days of idle (un-powered and non-printing) rest.
Is anyone interested in me talking about a cryptography idea? It's actually more about authentication using three rather than two keys (sorry, the crypto chatroom has not spoken openly in 12 hours)
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01:25
i.e. $800 for three years would be preferred over $400 for one year
And that $800 might also get better specs.
@JourneymanGeek Took long enough to convince her to upgrade... had to make it cheap too. No way is she going for a $1k laptop, even if I buy it for her.
lol
totally understand that :p
Wirth Consulting did report whether cleaning was necessary and if so, whether it succeeded in restoring normal printing performance.
No cleaning attempts were required from the 8620 they tested. It just worked.
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@JourneymanGeek Opening Yahoo webmail would eat up 50-100% of CPU capacity :\
though we ended up splitting the difference with upgrades
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@Bob as someone who still has a few c2ds in use... that's not right
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@JourneymanGeek It's a Centrino.
iirc scored ~1500 on passmark
01:29
@Bob Centrino refers to the whole platform no?
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@oldmud0 Sure, if you want.
@JourneymanGeek yea I just can't remember the model num right now
(wifi, processor, chipset)
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I meant a specific Centrino c2d, which is probably less powerful than the desktop stuff
Might've been a P6800
support.lenovo. com/in/en/documents/migr-67735
ugh
thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R61 pretty sure its a T7500 model.
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ah
I think it was a Vostro 1520
01:34
I have an idea of a three-way hash
I'm not even sure if it's cryptography, because it can't be used to encode messages, just pass hashes around to verify identity
oooh, you can upgrade the display on these
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"encoding" is not crypto
encryption and signing both make use of crypto primitives
@Bob ok don't get rowdy now, I haven't even started explaining anything yet
A private key can be used to generate a public key, correct? But the problem is that in order to verify that you "own" a public key, you have to pass in your private key too.
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...no you don't
you sign a message. the signature can then be verified with the public key
you don't provide your private key. you never provide your private key. ever.
I'm not talking about PGP
As I said, no messages involved
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01:38
s/message/plaintext/
same thing.
I never mentioned PGP
I'm not providing corrections just for the hell of it. When you start with incorrect terms/premise, it's really hard to tell what exactly you're talking about.
Just like all the people that talk about "encrypting" a message only to find that they chucked it through Base64 and called it a day.
Is there an easy way to explain why something signed with a private key, can be verified with a public key that isn't the same shape as the signing key?
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@MichaelFrank It really boils down to asymmetric crypto.
But there's a lot of different signature algorithms.
Paper cassette design on my HP 8630 seems to be the same as the design used in the LaserJet printers I've encountered. Pressing a tab on the outside of the cassette pops up a spring-loaded metal bar in the base of the cassette, lifting the paper for picking and feeding into the paper path. From what I know, this is a well-tested and reliable design.
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@MichaelFrank Here's a good explanation for RSA:
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Well, "good" but mathy :P
Math you say? All I see is Alphabet soup!
01:53
Ultimately, I have much greater confidence in HP printers not failing in the same fashion my Epson printers did.
@Bob I don't use Yahoo Mail's web interface any more. I just fetch my mail through Thunderbird.
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I don't even use Yahoo.
02:12
/me summons multitasking DOS
02:45
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03:01
@Bob heh. Now I'm tempted to order and try installing better screens on my R61s
Vaguely your fault.
That's my cousin's dog
@JourneymanGeek He's grown
Yup.
Still a pup tho and he'll prolly get bigger
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03:17
@JourneymanGeek :S
03:28
Do you even yahoo?
 
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04:43
Hmm. My Wi-Fi ranger extender seems to be dying.
At present, due to issues with it, only my printer is connected to it, and connectivity has been erratic lately.
I just reset it after it lost all connectivity with the main router.
So is it common for wireless radios to die gradually in this fashion?
my DNS hates me
one of subdomains is only returning AAAA entrie
I have no idea why
I bought the range extender about 16 months ago. It's a Netgear WN2000RPTv3.
FWIW, the signal strength on the repeater has been getting worse with time. It used to only intermittently flash amber or red, it's now constantly in an amber or red state and will often drop the connection to the main AP altogether.
However, all of the devices here, which are connected to the main router upstairs, have absolutely no signal strength issues whatsoever.
Me added 4690 to build today , yay real processor finnaly , benchie numbers go from ahhIsOk to thats the ticket.
Just wait till you can add a 6930x
Have any of you experienced a progressive wireless radio failure of this sort on any Wi-Fi infrastructure device?
04:55
@bwDraco did you use a wifi analizer on your phone to see what is all on the channels in your area (cause that is free and easy) also good to have done that previous, to check yours and thier signals, to see if anything is changing. a RF transmitter shouldnt like ever weaken up, without like 5+ years on the curcuit stuff (caps) , and even then.
Doubt that's the issue. My new printer is having trouble communicating with it despite being directly adjacent to it.
with new printer you have no "control" with that item, no long term experiences, so blame it first :-)
so it is a bit different, "reorient the antenna"
As I said, none of my other devices in the office have trouble communicating with the underlying wireless router. Only the range extender is indicating a bad signal, and the printer is having trouble communicating with my computer as a result.
Hmm. Might be interference.
The printer is transmitting a new AP for direct printing and it's on the same channel.
I'm on the printer's embedded Web server and will disable that extra AP.
HP Wireless Direct is being disabled... done.
@qasdfdsaq yes E cool stuff, but this is Cheap build, piece at a time. I pick old ddr3 and haswell, to have similar but cheaper. funny CPU prices have not really dropped much for the desktop haswell, memory has some, and for what DDR4 brings, it is (properly) jacked up in price for the "new" stuff.
However, this range extender has a history of issues. Even before the new printer was put into service, it's been reporting weak signals more often than it used to.
Signal still weak on the repeater. The signal indicator LED is red.
05:04
@bwDraco all i know is it is so easy to get graphing pics with android phone and free softwares, I cant see waves, but it can see those :-)
@bwDraco seeing the "bars" drop, the DB being poor, would and i suppose still does drive me batty, because "it says how wrong it is" and "we can fix that"
Was using NETGEAR WiFi Analytics on my Nexus 9.
Disabling the extra AP did not meaningfully improve signal strength.
I guess I'm going to decommission the range extender. It's not helping at all and the wireless radio on it seems to be degrading.
Reconfiguring the printer to use the main AP...
I use this analiser , i think somone recommended it . play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer why? channel graph, and Radar like audio beeping metering. so i can wander about searching for signals from a specific wifi. I can adjust parabola and hear it change from across the room.
Printer has dropped offline. Reconfiguring from the printer...
Now i should be able to adjust stuff and hear it , a freaking block away , but seriously this stuff all sux.
and the home I am in is a RF bomb shelter :-)
...done.
The wireless range extender is unfit for purpose and has been decommissioned. I'm going to factory-reset it and set it aside for disposal.
05:19
@bwDraco as probabaly more than half of them are, much like other "signal boosters" but there has to be great ones out there, because the in theory principal, should give you 2x distances right?
and 2x lag.
It connects to an existing wireless AP and transmits a new AP. It's basically a wireless layer-2 switch.
wireless is unfit for the purpose, anytime a wire could replace it :-)
Printer is reconfigured to use the main AP. Repeater is factory-reset.
I'm done with it.
put it in the stack
your (not) going to need it for some other project
Another wireless radio has bitten the dust.
Unbelievable how unreliable some 2.4 GHz radios can be under 24/7 operation.
05:29
the signal power shouldnt really be changing much over years and years, it isnt doing that for your other stuff is it? Other than all the added interfearing items everyone else is adding in the areas.
want to hear the neighbors new baby monitor :-) people are adding wirelss junk everyday.
@Psycogeek Just several months in, my laptop and tablet did not want to talk with the range extender. It would be connected to it, but there would be no actual network access. It seems as if the underlying air interface was functioning, but it would not actually move data.
I had one of those cordless phones (landline) , i finnnaly got one with great signal strength, aligned the antenna to walk the dog. it was a "secure" model. wasnt a few months later, i get calls in when walking the dog, the Neighbors calls :-)
Now the wireless radio on the extender seems to be failing progressively, as it has trouble maintaining the radio link itself.
05:46
At my aunt's. Internet here is pretty bad.
@JourneymanGeek: So what's your experience with wireless networking hardware?
I just retired a range extender because its radio seems to be failing.
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@qasdfdsaq Hm. Snapdragon 820, Exynos... touch choice.
@Bob The Exynos 8890 seems to have some performance issues.
@Bob Meh, I don't get a choice. Not really anyway.
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@qasdfdsaq Which one are you getting?
The AU version is supposedly Exynos but I tend to get overseas phones :\
05:50
UK model, so Exynos
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Ah.
@JourneymanGeek is that dogtor drool?
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Mar 11 '13 at 15:17, by Journeyman Geek
wifi works fine for me
Exynos is used for all countries except where CDMA is prevalent, where the Snapdragon is used instead cause the Exy doesn't support CDMA
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Jun 9 '14 at 0:13, by Journeyman Geek
wifi tends to suck ;p
Aug 25 '14 at 0:19, by Journeyman Geek
wifi just sucks ;p
Nov 4 '15 at 3:58, by Journeyman Geek
Oh, wifi sucks.
Feb 21 at 8:26, by Journeyman Geek
wifi just sucks in general
Jan 3 '14 at 6:47, by Journeyman Geek
I hate wifi :/
05:51
I'm keenly waiting for someone to do a teardown of the Exynos version
Feb 23 at 0:51, by bwDraco
@qasdfdsaq The S6 used an Exynos in all regions, which was a very odd decision. Samsung normally uses Snapdragons for the NA market and Exynos elsewhere—if I understand it correctly, the Exynos isn't designed to handle all the different bands we have here in the US, necessitating Qualcomm's modem.
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Jul 22 '14 at 14:57, by Journeyman Geek
I just hate wifi generally
Jan 3 '14 at 7:45, by Journeyman Geek
I have random wifi issues.
@Bob, you're just flooding the room at this point.
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I wonder what changed in late 2013.
@bwDraco Eh, I can go through another 6 pages if you want?
Most of that was for the sake of a bit of a joke, really.
05:53
I've had very little trouble with my Linksys E2500.
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@qasdfdsaq We had Snapdragons up till the S6 :\
No CDMA here
There were some odd communication issues but a firmware update likely sorted it out.
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Actually, I'm not entirely sure what the S5 was here. Hm.
Exynos was used in all regions for the Galaxy S6.
Previously Snapdragons were used cause Samsung's LTE sucks
Now they're used cause Samsung's CDMA sucks
IOW, Snapdragons have better modems.
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05:55
lol
@qasdfdsaq I'm thinking I might prefer the Snapdragon variant.
Generally better third-party support.
And they have that new Qualcomm core lure :P
It's got a much faster GPU too
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@qasdfdsaq The SD or the Exy?
Crapdragon
Thing is the Exynos usually comes with a decent Wolfson DAC, whereas the Snapdragon definitely doesn't
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Ah, yea... Adreno vs Mali.
Yet another milestone: 3000 helpful flags.
05:59
The Exy GPU might be more efficient, but it's too early to tell

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