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00:14
Okay, what can cause an SSD to perform worse with random writes at QD64 than at QD1?
SpaceX launch aborted.
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A: How to troubleshoot slow SSD

bwDracoThis looks like a TRIM problem. It seems as if the drive isn't garbage collecting correctly, causing severely degraded performance during sequential write operations. Blocks in SSDs must be erased before they can be rewritten, and the drive can only erase them if it knows that they no longer ha...

I'm kinda clutching at straws here—any pointers?
00:38
@bwDraco good question. the 64 is starting 64 threads pummeling the drive at the same time, i would buy your assessment that there is a cleanup or block shifting going on at the same time as it is being pummeled :-)
all the much data writes are being totally choked out , worse than a flash stick stuck in a USB , but really the User did not say anything about HOW it is all connected.
does not AHCI have to be in play to get trims occuring on the side? plus without that these drives suffer way more than a HD. That would be the first thing they would check in 2013 :-) but everyone should Know that by now, but they dont.
Bob
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o.O
Glasses?
00:55
"Why is my internet not as fast as it says it is" Because My burger never looks like the damn picture , and you let that slide. superuser.com/questions/1046636/…
because hard drive manufactures made up new math to say what the size of a drive is, and you bought thier twisted explaination. because theoretical speeds are tossed out on spec items for marketing and you didnt ask for reality. Because they are a monopoly, and have more fine print than bold.
because daily it is assumed that the user should research reality, read only the fine print (and the notes: in manuels) because it is the only reality left, everything else is just bull carp that You Should Know. And there is no wizard behind the curtian.
01:17
woof
@duzzy urgh again? :-( third time now...
@JourneymanGeek woof
01:50
I know this is not new, but FTDI is at it again:
Evitad los chips de @FTDIChip que el driver brickea chips falsos Una buena alternativa es el CH340 #FTDIGate 2.0 https://t.co/aTvnfD5KtY
> Avoid FTDI chips because the driver bricks fake chips.

A better alternative is the CH340.

#FTDIGate 2.0
Hey @FTDIChip ! What happens if your #FTDIGate drivers F**k up a #medical device with “NON GENUINE DEVICE FOUND!”? What if they #KillSomeone
Suppose I build a simple controller, that reads data from another component over serial with an FTDI. There's no checking in the parser as..
..the device is soldered or otherwise always connected, and thus I know "exactly" what's going through. Then a non numerical character...
...shows up form your #FTDIgate driver, and crashes the controller. Suppose further, that this controller is inside some medical equipment.
02:51
@bwDraco So what if their driver doesn't work with cloned hardware?
Does that bay only work as a USB hub? or does it also have raid?
nvm, found it: no
03:21
@qasdfdsaq A boat went into the "stay out" zone where the barge was waiting for the landing attempt, so they stopped the countdown with about a minute and a half to go. They got the boat cleared out of the area, set a new launch time and started counting down again. The computer aborted with about 1 second remaining because it detected an issue with the fuel as a result of the delay.
@jiggunjer 8 drives as one (JBOD) array and connectable through eSata or USB
prolly
03:45
Off-topic and opinion:
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Q: WEB chat application planning

richard grantI am building a web chat application. Chat.txt: { { $USER_ID:1, "TEXT":"Hello TOM!" "TIME":$TIME_STAMP }, { $USER_ID:2, "TEXT":"My name isn't TOM!" "TIME":$TIME_STAMP } } Obviously, i should not be storing the cha...

@duzzy Wow, what a day.
Is the user question-banned on Stack Overflow?
(Have to go soon, trying to wake up earlier.)
04:49
elm error messages put every other programming language to shame holy shit https://t.co/7R7feje5eO
How on Earth does someone write a compiler that generates such verbose diagnostics?
@bwDraco It's like the compiler posts the source up to StackOverflow and grabs the best answer...
Heck, even Open MPI's runtime error messages, which are some of the best I've seen (I've done parallel computing and I know this first hand), are beat by this.
Anonymous
heh
Anonymous
everyone's rooting for di caprio
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
MPI_ABORT was invoked on rank 0 in communicator MPI_COMM_WORLD
with errorcode 2.

NOTE: invoking MPI_ABORT causes Open MPI to kill all MPI processes.
You may or may not see output from other processes, depending on
exactly when Open MPI kills them.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
mpirun has exited due to process rank 0 with PID 15884 on
Jul 26 '15 at 21:57, by DragonLord
C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\Temp>g++ -Wall -O3 -march=haswell -o a.exe a.cpp
a.cpp:10:2: error: expected declaration before '}' token
 }}}
  ^

C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\Temp>clang++ -Wall -O3 -march=haswell -o a.exe a.cpp
a.cpp:10:2: error: extraneous closing brace ('}')
}}}
 ^
a.cpp:10:3: error: extraneous closing brace ('}')
}}}
  ^
2 errors generated.
Jul 26 '15 at 22:18, by DragonLord
C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\Temp>g++ -Wall -O3 -march=haswell -o a.exe a.cpp
a.cpp: In function 'int main()':
a.cpp:7:13: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value [
-Wparentheses]
     if(i = 0)
             ^

C:\Users\Brian\Desktop\Temp>clang++ -Wall -O3 -march=haswell -o a.exe a.cpp
a.cpp:7:10: warning: using the result of an assignment as a condition without
      parentheses [-Wparentheses]
    if(i = 0)
       ~~^~~
a.cpp:7:10: note: place parentheses around the assignment to silence this
 
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08:56
morning
morning
09:20
is it home time yet?
09:48
From here - "A post should be marked as spam ONLY when it contains an unsolicited advertisement." . In this case, it seems it does what they want and they're requesting a solution so it is solicited, my interpretation is it wouldn't be. At least, certainly not under a 'spam' flag.
thanks
it came up in review
10:51
omg....
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Q: Windows XP, linksys wireless card, and alphanumeric passwords

JeremyOkay, i'm going to attempt explaining this the best way possible. I'm running xp pro with a linksys wireless PCI card. My system WILL NOT connect to a wireless network that has a number in the password. I know this bc I have experimented with my own router with different security settings on my r...

> I'm pretty tech savvy, I took some IT classes in high school
emphasis is mine
Our IT classes pretty much covered how to make a PowerPoint presentation.
thats what i was thinking
i learnt next to nothing in IT at school
and this guy has only done SOME of the classes
I failed IT at school. Our teacher was actually our physical education teacher of all thing. I ended up doing everyones work for them because he didn't know where to start and just summoned me when there was an issue shrug
Didn't actually end up doing any of my own work. Then got a job in IT lol
weird we were programming in computer class , actually making working programs in the first quarter in high school. in Basic :-)
At my school we only had Acorns
10:59
I guess nowdays they (instead) would teach them how to setup a facebook page , and buy services from an ISP, what else would be needed :-)
they have specific classes on online safety now
We were allowed to use VBA for stuff, but that was most of my downfall. I made some over the top excel database with login forms and all sorts... Our PE teacher had no idea how to grade it so failed me because his grading sheets said I should have SUM formulas for invoices and I did all the calculation in VBA.
at least in the UK anyway
we had these in my IT room at school:
all my friends were learning win95 and we had obsolete useless acorns...
do you have to have credintials to teach PE, or just accidentally volenteer. It was either that or buss duty :-)
Dunno. He was a pretty good PE teacher, but didn't really know how to turn on a computer.
11:03
as it should be
sounds like every PE teacher i've met
my IT teacher was actually a physics teacher who had once used a computer back in teacher training
he actively discouraged us from learning to program
Just a heads-up… Eset antivirus seems to have gone bonkers in the past hour & is flagging half the world's web sites as being trojans. Twitter is lighting up like a xmas tree & their live chat is down. Appears to have been an update that went out around 10am GMT.
@Burgi Whhyyy...?
@Jonno i suspect because he didn't know how to do it himself
11:19
In case anyone sees issues in SE main today, Eset have posted this alert - support.eset.com/alert5879 - & link to a KB on how to revert - support.eset.com/kb3351/?locale=en_US
12:07
Yup. Now if only the last RPi had Bluetooth or WiFi...
12:19
The new one's the same price, no?
Well I meant the £5 one that was release a couple months ago
13:19
Ahh yes
@JourneymanGeek What's a cheap wireless mouse ? ;p
Mu current one died :'(
@HackToHell I got my dad a Logitech.
I don't do wireless
Aha, the G120 right
Wait not that
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Q: How to Open an OST File into Outlook PST File Formate?

Alix JordanI had also a bigger issue with my OST file then I used Gael OST to PST Converter tool to convert my unreadable OST files into Outlook PST file format. It can amazingly rebuild data and gives you superior result with New PST format. If you want to change your OST files then you can do it, in to ma...

Spammer. Read the comments for amusement ;)
heh
Deleted :/ I was just about to add another pithy comment.
Do OPs see comments on their deleted questions?
13:54
@JourneymanGeek pretty pricey
@DavidPostill sorry it was probably my flag that tipped it into auto-delete
@Burgi NP ;)
what were you going to say?
No need to apologise. You did the right thing flagging it ...
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@DavidPostill Only if they have a direct link.
13:58
@Burgi I can't remember - too much excitement :/
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@DavidPostill "all lower versions of windows" can I take them up on that? *boots up Win3.1 VM*
My keyboard costs 700 bucks :O
@HackToHell I tend to consider mice/keyboards to be something I buy every 5-7 years or so
@Burgi naw, it was certainly the comments
14:02
@JourneymanGeek yeah that makes sense
he wouldn't have known it was flagged
Old one lasted for 5 years iirc
Mouse die sooner
Hmm must get a more expensive one I guess
depends. My logitechs are reliable, as are my razers
My favourite was a roccat but I went through 2 in a year and got fed up
14:04
Razers I assume are more expensive ?
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@JourneymanGeek Was an auto-delete from spam flags.
@HackToHell quite a bit
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@JourneymanGeek Depends how you use them too :P
some folk don't like em, my experience has been good
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14:05
LMBs are notorious for wearing out amongst all mice.
Bluetooth mouse is bloody expensive
yeah
also more complex I suspect
I don't get it, bluetooth receivers are cheap
Bob
Bob
Eh, you can get damn cheap BT mice too :P
They only have one customer (I wonder why?):
"What Our Customer Say

"I used Gael OST converter tool. When I purchased this, I face some issue for activation. Then I go to live chat support option for resolving this issue Gael Team supported me quickly. They resolved issue and my 3 GB OST file easily converted to PST. Thanks Team!" - Luis "
14:06
no women have proposed to me yet but there is still a lot of leap day left...
@Bob But they don't last ;p
I get these 2$ wired mice
And I burn through one every 3 months
@Burgi today's my dad's birthday
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@HackToHell You're gonna have to define 'last'. I've had some cheapies that just. won't. die.
wow
@HackToHell depends on what they die of ;p
14:07
@Bob whoa link !
@JourneymanGeek Buttons don't work -.-
Scroll wheel died in my current one
Bob
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Still got some $5 Belkin mouse that I've abused pretty much every way possible and it still works somehow -_-
Not even sure if it's actually Belkin.
@JourneymanGeek does he age slower than everyone else?
@Bob Bluetooth ?
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@HackToHell Nah. Standard dongle wireless.
@Burgi maybe
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14:09
Might've been some $7-8? shrug
They no longer have it the place I bought it. They have a $5 M200 now though: msy.com.au/nswonline/mouse/…
Which is clearance and out of stock :P
@Bob It looks kinda cool
@DavidPostill @Bob @allquixotic - since you guys are pretty much the resident room owners, and I already told the mod team, I won't be around from the 4th to the 15th, give or take a day. I need to go to india to help deal with a family issue. I'll try to pop by, but I may be in a few places I'm unfamiliar with and may not have internet.
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@HackToHell It's pretty small.
@JourneymanGeek Noted - as before, I'll try to keep a hose around. Though David seems to usually have things in hand.
Good luck with your issue.
@JourneymanGeek Thanks for the notice. Good luck with the issues.
how about the mx-master for rich nerds logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-master?crid=7 or the m510 (my mouse) for everyone else logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-mouse-m510?crid=7
14:13
(Also, this would affect the SCL game. If you guys want to go ahead, go ahead)
Bob
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shrug happily using a G602 at home
@JourneymanGeek heh, it's looking like allq will be busy anyway
@Bob @allquixotic Between the 3 of us we seem to have the timezones covered ...
ahh ok
@DavidPostill yup, pretty much the plan
and of course, wandering local or foreign mods ;p
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@DavidPostill Eh, I'm not entirely sure which timezone I'm in.
Considering I seem to be nocturnal half the time.
(also, I'll be entirely reliant on the stream + a phone)
14:15
@Bob Yeah, you should be asleep ;)
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@JourneymanGeek Good time to put it through its paces? :P
@Bob I used to use it on the train
its got slightly better battery life than the x220 (4 vs 6 IIRC) and is lighter
@Bob Oh, then will not be suitable for gaming I guess
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@HackToHell I've actually used it for gaming. It's my laptop mouse :P
Huh. I never knew Australia had a border with Slovenia.
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14:17
we what now?
o0 what
Some people think Austria == Australia :/
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Austria?
Sure they do
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David preempted me :P
"Austria and Slovenia to build border fence to 'control' asylum seeker flow"
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@DavidPostill With the whole "stop the boats" rhetoric over the last few years, tbh, the title made some sense with Australia -_-
CNN == Crappy News Network
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looks ugly as sin :P
14:22
I'd trust CNN over ABC personally.
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Huh. It actually has a tilt wheel.
My G602 doesn't have that :\
@qasdfdsaq ABC Australia.
Not ABC America.
Not even related, apart from the name.
My G500 has a tilt wheel.
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TIL BBC is not publicly funded apparently. shrug
@Bob LEEEEROOOOOYYYYYY JEEEENNKKKIIINNNSSSS
@Bob BBC is
BBC worldwide is not
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@JourneymanGeek Well, you can fix this then
14:24
> Source: Annual Report and Accounts 2005–2006" (PDF).
facepalm
hm
The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is the public service broadcaster of the United Kingdom, headquartered at Broadcasting House in London. The BBC is the world's oldest national broadcasting organisation and the largest broadcaster in the world by number of employees, with over 20,950 staff in total, of whom 16,672 are in public sector broadcasting; including part-time, flexible as well as fixed contract staff, the total number is 35,402. The BBC is established under a Royal Charter and operates under its Agreement with the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. Its work is funded...
>According to the BBC's 2013/14 Annual Report, its total income was £5 billion (£5.066 billion),[1] which can be broken down as follows:

£3.726 billion in licence fees collected from householders;
£1.023 billion from the BBC's Commercial Businesses;
£244.6 million from government grants, of which £238.5 million is from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the BBC World Service;
£72.1 million from other income, such as rental collections and royalties from overseas broadcasts of programming.[1]
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Anyway, ABC Australia is generally considered a pretty good source. Probably the best mainstream source in AU actually.
ABC America is some mutant offspring of Disney
I'm fine with CNA for non local news
(Our local international news channel)
@JourneymanGeek As long as they fix the geography ;)
austria has the kangaroos right? ;)
14:27
@Burgi and everything is deadly
@JourneymanGeek Especially the Slovenians apparently.
especially the cuckoo clocks
@Bob Not available in india :(
@Burgi which are cunningly disguised drop bears
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@HackToHell 'course not, that's Officeworks' store brand :P
14:29
@Burgi German
@Bob Done
Assumes officeworks is staples of Aus
Looks interesting
It is thought that much of its development and evolution was made in the Black Forest area in southwestern Germany (State of Baden-Württemberg), the region where the cuckoo clock was popularized.
I need to buy a new laptop today
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@qasdfdsaq Thanks. And now we wait for someone to revert it :P
@qasdfdsaq today? o.O
14:30
@Bob Gotta love revert wars...
@Bob Well my aim was to get it done yesterday but I got distracted by KSP... again
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@qasdfdsaq Didn't you get a new laptop a month ago?
@Bob No, I got one in early December and returned it because of a fault.
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Oh, returned.
What was the problem?
Feb 8 at 17:25, by qasdfdsaq
Which incidentally is the dGPU I had in my new laptop that I returned, and similar to the Surface Book.
I can't find it!
it isn't like austria has a history of promoting racism and intolerence
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14:32
@Burgi ...are you suggesting something?
@Burgi It does.
Feb 1 at 0:31, by qasdfdsaq
My laptop was bought in December 2015 but it's too old so I need a new one
That's why, lol
But seriously, I recall explaining it once and then you had a witty comeback but I can't find either right now.
@Bob Oh god, we've hit Godwin's law
@bwDraco Welcome to the Old News channel.
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@qasdfdsaq I don't remember at all! :P
14:35
3 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
New Rpi announced https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-3-on-sale/
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@bwDraco I don't get the "still only" ... I mean, they're "still only" using contemporary parts.
@Bob same price as the rpi 1 and 2?
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New parts are available. About the same price as the old parts at the time. So it costs them the same. So they charge the same. ...
Why do people say it like it's something special?
@Bob its finally ticking off all the boxes
Journeyman Geek did bring it up, but I wasn't there at the time.
14:37
BLE (so you can use it as a BT beacon, which seems to be a common use for these), wifi (which is dandy). 64 bit processor...
Might even be able to compile stuff on it without dying of old age
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@JourneymanGeek The 64-bit processor really doesn't do much just by being 64-bit...
@Bob Some other manufacturers milk the fact that technology is better for the same money to bump up their profit ratios, I guess.
Dec 14 '15 at 13:11, by qasdfdsaq
@JourneymanGeek Nah, the bottom of the case is warped
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Depends on what you use it for, of course.
err
Dec 14 '15 at 13:36, by Bob
@qasdfdsaq Is that how it came, or is it because you crammed a bigger SSD in there? :P
14:38
BCM2837 is yet another custom SoC for the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
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Oh. Yea. I was just about to ask that again :P
I have the memory of a goldfish.
Well. my RPI was doing what I eventually ended up using the brix, then the beebox for
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@qasdfdsaq Oh god that brings back memories.
@Bob Like this?
user image
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14:39
shudder
The number of conversations with people who had replaced every letter with some hideous animated flashy version of that letter...
I still can't figure out how young kids express themselves these days in the absence of messenger emoticons.
I mean beside genital pictures on Snapchat that is.
@qasdfdsaq emo-ji
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@qasdfdsaq Emojis are all the new rage now.
Except that they won't render on half your devices and look all different on the other half.
14:40
Yeah but you have to open the message first, you don't get to choose who to talk to based on the flashiness of their name/avatar
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@qasdfdsaq I'm sure there's an app for that
How does one signal <Talk to me I'm a lonely emo needing attention> <3<3<3
> We have a lot of industrial customers who will want to stick with Raspberry Pi 1 or 2 for the time being. We’ll keep building these models for as long as there’s demand. Raspberry Pi 1 Model B+ and Raspberry Pi 2 Model B will continue to sell for $25 and $35 respectively.
Urgh I hate emoji
Older parts will continue to be made as long as industrial customers demand them.
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14:42
"industrial customers" ... "raspberry pi"
Why did they have to come up with such a stupid name for... emotes? emoticons?
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really. really?
It's rather surprising, but apparently, there are RPi devices acting as embedded controllers and whatnot.
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That just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
They're very much hobbyist devices. And marketed as educational.
They're nowhere near robust enough for most true industrial uses.
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Q: Can I use Raspberry Pi in commercial production?

Ayman JitanI am quite new to Raspberry Pi. I recently started hacking my new RPI with raspbian and working on a video streaming project. I finished my prototype and things are ready for production. RPI is awesome no doubt about.but can I use it for production ? like mass production ?

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14:44
But people (and companies) skimp where they can, I suppose.
and if you did, the compute modules make more sense
Embedded use in a commercial product, sure.
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@bwDraco Just because you technically can, does not mean you should.
In related news, "high endurance enterprise SLC" SSDs are not more reliable than standard MLC drives.
Just like "Enterprise HDDs" were never more reliable than standard HDDs.
@qasdfdsaq also, google dosen't really care about reliability THAT much ;p
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14:45
@qasdfdsaq Pretty sure most truly industrial embedded devices don't corrupt SD cards on power loss, though.
@JourneymanGeek And that's how everyone should operate.
@Bob Interestingly I see few people discuss the failure modes of SD cards and MicroSD(XC) cards.
Sony seem to have the only flash-based storage device I've ever come across that fails gracefully.
@qasdfdsaq If you have one drive and it dies, its a tragidy. If you have 100 drives... It is a statistic
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I just picked that as the most widely known way rpis tend to fail.
@JourneymanGeek Welcome to... the entire reason RAID and backups exist
@qasdfdsaq Not the best analogy because SLC SSDs (rare beasts these days) do last much longer under extremely write-heavy use cases.
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14:46
But I've also heard of weird things happening with the fuses, with sensitivity to interference, etc..
@Bob my model B routinely corrupts itself
@bwDraco There is no analogy. The heaviness of writes have no effect.
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@JourneymanGeek Yup, mine's dropped a few times already.
@Bob I know, but that just reminded me of what I realised recently.
If I run it again, I'm probably sticking a iscsi share somewhere
Its a B
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14:47
It completely killed the first SD card I used in it, too.
My Sony MicroSDXC card is the only one that failed gracefully - it disconnected itself, and remounted read-only. Ever since, it's given me full access to all my data, in read-only mode and ignoring writes.
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@qasdfdsaq Huh. That's useful.
B+ and better supposedly have been trying to improve that
My Sandisk - changed into a 32MB blank drive. My Kingston just stopped being detected entirely. My Lexar kept allowing writing of data that ended up corrupted on read.
@Bob Yeah. On paper, that's how all flash storage should fail.
On the other hand, the HGST laptop drive on the brix was happy as a clam when I moved it to the beebox
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14:49
@qasdfdsaq I've never put much faith in the "SSDs are more reliable than HDDs" argument, either.
Most SSD failures I've heard of are controller failures. Bang, everything's gone.
@Bob all hardware dies
So now the whole "enterprise/endurance" crap has been debunked for both SSDs and HDDs, where will snake-oil sellers/manufacturers go next?
but babying SSDs like beautiful and unique snowflakes is dumb
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@JourneymanGeek Comparing failure modes at the moment.
@qasdfdsaq some people will insist on that anyway
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14:49
Common SSD failures are more catastrophic than common HDD failures.
It's not snake oil. Just use the drive normally.
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HDDs seem more likely to fail gradually - some reallocated sectors here and there first.
@Bob Sadly that's been my experience as well. Despite all the paranoia about flash endurance, most failures are bad firmware or controllers. Though that's somewhat improved as technology matured in the last few years.
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Straight up head crashes are rare.
I had a coworker who was convinced 10K drives were faster than SSDs
14:50
There's no need for special precautions to extend endurance. Controllers are the most common cause of failure, there's no doubt about that.
The expected failure mode of flash storage is NAND wearout. It's the unexpected failures that get people.
Hi, y'all. Can anyone help me with this question? superuser.com/questions/1045057/…
@Bob last one I had was the old, infamous death stars
I've waited four days and can't even get a vote.
Feb 17 at 6:31, by bwDraco
7200 RPM desktop hard drives have hit a level of storage density (and hence performance) that allows them to practically match the VelociRaptor in most workloads.
14:51
@bwDraco SSDs are almost certainly faster
Though to be fair, even NAND wearout SSDs often fail ungracefully. A Sandisk I had once developed unreadable sectors, where any attempt to read a broken sector would lock up the drive entirely and require a hard power cycle. Recovering data from that one was a bitch....
Yeah, SSD failure modes aren't exactly great.
... and yet I still don't have a proper backup regime :-/
@qasdfdsaq mine is jerryrigged but works well
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@qasdfdsaq Oh yea. That petabyte write test - I don't like the claims that they can write a petabyte (because not all drives will hit that, and powered-off retention might be dangerously short), but they do show how those drives react to wearout.
14:52
needs a few tweaks, like having a standard way to backup my fedora boxen
@Bob "Badly" being the answer in most cases :-P
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Yup.
When bad blocks accumulate, you eventually lose an entire NAND die and the entire system fall apart.
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@qasdfdsaq The interesting ones were those that worked until the reboot.
I can only wonder why.
Given the hard drive industry's rallying together to improve sell at higher cost "TLER" like functions, how long will it be until SSD manufacturers start designing in more graceful failure modes as an upsell feature
14:54
Unlike with hard drives, sector reallocation is normal wear and tear on SSDs over extended use, but do watch the SMART stats.
@Bob I recall one of the manufacturers claiming the work-until-reboot-then-self-destruct was an intentionally designed feature
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Huh, this got absolutely slammed with downvotes.
Because restarting a hung computer isn't the first thing anyone would do...
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And yet I can see it being a useful reference question on SU, in a similar vein to a lot of 'simple' HNQs
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14:55
Guess that's just the way the wind blew today :\
@Bob Anything Ramhound touches seems to suffer from that effect -_-
@qasdfdsaq Intel consumer SSDs were designed this way. Intel enterprise SSDs will allow one power cycle to recover data, then brick themselves afterwards.
Bob
Bob
And that got flagged.
Consumer SSDs will keep their data as long as they can for recovery.
@Bob ... And he does that too.
14:56
@qasdfdsaq I AM INCREDIBLY OFFENDED BY THIS MESSAGE
@bwDraco Yeah, I thought it would be Intel.
@MarkBuffalo I'm sorry :-(
Please block me and you will never be offended again.
@qasdfdsaq Is there some reason you hate Ramhound? If there's a personal issue, please bring it to another chatroom.
quit flagging things that are not offensive :]
*files a patent application*
Bob
Bob
@bgmCoder I avoid SMB questions. But have an upvote anyway for a well-written one.
14:57
Grocery Store Food Item Location Crowd Sourcing and Navigation
@bgmCoder Just posting the link so it gets oneboxed might garner a better response
I didn't even notice it till Bob mentioned it.
@allquixotic ... what?
@allquixotic You're a Grocery Store Food Item Location Crowd Sourcing and Navigation
@MarkBuffalo ... what?
@JourneymanGeek: Would it be a good idea if @qasdfdsaq and @Ramhound discussed this in a dedicated chat room? Something tells me there's an ongoing, unresolved dispute here.
14:59
Don't I know you from somewhere? You chicory swilling miscreant?
qasdfsakfdafa - I mentioned it twice, the first time with more explanation, sorry
@bwDraco naw, @qasdfdsaq is just trying to bait ramhound I think
and I used two carriage returns to avoid a one-liner
but you guys were pretty into-it here
@JourneymanGeek It's more observational fact.

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