Root Access

5:00 PM

I'm also a bit iffy about its use of GRUB as the boot manager (yet again!) but it is a UEFI install so at least you should have a fairly easy fallback in case.

Anonymous

How do I know if my windows partition is uefi ready?

Bob

@onebree See if there's an "EFI System Partition" on the disk you boot from.

Should look something like that.

On a legacy BIOS/MBR system you'd see an "Active" partition instead.

Anonymous

Nothing says EFI.

Anonymous

Wait

Anonymous

(C:) NTFS --- Healthy (System, Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dump, Primary Partition)

Bob

5:04 PM

...you're on a legacy BIOS boot system :\

HackToHell

@onebree pleas don't

vm ftw

Anonymous

Is that bad? What makes it legacy

HackToHell

No fast boot

Bob

@onebree It's just the old way of doing things.

HackToHell

And a bunch of security things

Anonymous

5:04 PM

@HackToHell my issue IS the VM dropping network connections when I use Slack or attempt to install system updates

Anonymous

Is there a way to make it non-legacy?

HackToHell

@onebree Hyper-V?

Bob

UEFI is the standardised boot system now.

BIOS is deprecated, and was only ever a de facto standard.

HackToHell

@onebree Too complicated to move from legacy to UEFI

Bob

It was basically a clone of the original IBM PC BIOS.

Anonymous

5:05 PM

:-( Why is it legacy? This motherboard is from 2014

Bob

It still works, but it's just called legacy ... because it is.

@onebree The motherboard almost certainly supports UEFI but whoever installed your OS did so in legacy mode.

Anonymous

@HackToHell How do I do that? On my host or guest?

Bob

Don't worry too much about it.

Often more trouble to move than it's worth.

@onebree btw, that's not normal - have you considered fixing your VM? -_-

Anonymous

I hate legacy things... Like legacy code... I want new and shiny!

Bob

@onebree Well, the easiest way to change is along the lines of reinstalling Windows in the correct mode

Anonymous

5:07 PM

I have tried all suggestions and none work for the VM. Only option is to destroy it and start over...

Bob

I personally wouldn't want to fiddle with a MBR => GPT conversion followed by a complete bootloader reinstall. That just sounds like pain.

Anonymous

I started with Windows 8, and upgraded to 10 when it came out. Is it possible to just reinstall windows as windows 10?

Insane

lol

Anonymous

I am willing to do what it takes....

Bob

@onebree In theory, yes. In practice... you're just inviting lots of potential pain on yourself :(

People have had licensing issues after those reinstalls.

HackToHell

5:09 PM

@onebree What hypervisor?

Insane

Bob is right @onebree it's a pain in the ass to do a fresh install

HackToHell

You could simply change your vm software

Insane

and not have to pay for it

Anonymous

@HackToHell how do you check that?

HackToHell

Every other options sucks

Bob

5:09 PM

@onebree VMware, Hyper-V, VirtualBox

Anonymous

Well, I COULD install my PAID 8.1 license, then update back to 10

HackToHell

@onebree I meant are you using Hyper-V or VMWare player ?

Bob

qemu, etc.

Anonymous

VirtualBox

Anonymous

Because free

HackToHell

5:10 PM

Try hyper-v

That's free if you have Win 10 Pro +

VMWare player is also free

You can't have VMWare and Hyper-V at the same time tho

Anonymous

I only have win10 home

Bob

I honestly can't say I've seen severe networking issues with VBox

HackToHell

Okay VMWare player it is then

@Bob Driver related perhaps ?

Bob

@onebree Which network adapter do you have configured?

HackToHell

How's your network setup @onebree

Anonymous

5:12 PM

I think it is driver related

Anonymous

One second

Anonymous

CNETWORK:
Enabled Adapter
Attached to: NAT
Adapter type: PCnet-FAST III (Am)
Promiscuous mode: Deny
MAC Address -- stuff

Anonymous

I do have guest additions instaled

allquixotic

@onebree how'd you install the guest additions?

7

Q: Network adapters in Virtualbox virtual machines

When setting up a virtual machine with Virtualbox, in the Network configuration section it is possible to select from various emulated adapters: The default one, automatically selected at the VM creation, is Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop. I was wondering what are the differences between these adap...

Anonymous

Um, I think through VBox?

allquixotic

5:15 PM

did you check out that?

Bob

> PCnet-FAST III

noooope

Use the Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop

Anonymous

One second, I am on the VM and need to shut down.

Anonymous

Good news #1 -- I am able to install system updates :-)

Anonymous

Before, it failed after 2 seconds

Anonymous

(I am on my windows host now)

Anonymous

5:21 PM

let's hope this works when I use slack later

Anonymous

Super user seems to help again... 3 for 3

Anonymous

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

Bob

@onebree ? o.O

Anonymous

everything works

Anonymous

By now, Slack would have disconnected. I was able to install system updates. I am no happy

Anonymous

5:27 PM

In America, yaaas is slang for "yes!!!"

Bob

lol

good to hear

saves the pain of dual-boot too

Anonymous

yes.

Anonymous

although I would stil rather a linux lifestyle

Bob

@onebree shrug then you can run Windows in a VM on Linux? :P

The only time I'd ever consider dual-boot is if I needed full perf on both OSes (e.g. gaming)

haven't run into that yet

though, honestly, I'm happier on Windows for my daily experience... Linux can stay on the servers and in the VMs for me

qasdfdsaq

With IOMMUs and passthrough you can get better than full perf in a VM

Bob

5:31 PM

@qasdfdsaq Assuming your hardware supports it and you feel like setting it up :P

Though I don't know how easy/hard the setup is.

qasdfdsaq

Click => Click => OK

Though it depends on your OS

Bob

Ok, now I get to pick a name for my owncloud server

Hmm... maybe tethys

qasdfdsaq

You got it working?

I'm still fighting with stupid KSP

Bob

Or mneme but I'd probably forget how to spell it

@qasdfdsaq Nah. I tend to pick server names before spinning up the VM

I'm going to make the attempt now.

Tethys - titaness of clouds. That works :P

qasdfdsaq

I'm nowhere near that inventive

We have a system called Maxwell and one called Macleod we're merging.

The best name I could come up with? MaxCleod/

(Pronounced Max-cloud)

Bob

5:36 PM

@qasdfdsaq Well, I've been going by the Greek mythology theme

Helped by this list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_mythological_figures

qasdfdsaq

My theme was "Nobel prize winners with a connection with our institution"

Bob

But I just remembered I was planning to name it Leto, since it's essentially a migration of my old downloads server... :S

Hm... to keep the name or rename?

qasdfdsaq

Tethys sounds cooler

I was killed by a tethys once.

Bob

o.O

qasdfdsaq

I was never killed by a Leto

allquixotic

5:41 PM

hey guys, word on the street is that we're pretty good at providing live tech support >_>

Hennes

Argh! I need more beer.
2 hours into installing windows 10 via USB and the installer has not yet even started

allquixotic

*cue 12,000 people coming in HVing it up*

Bob

@allquixotic Looks like I missed a lot over in that other room :P

Don't forget about us! :(

Hennes

OK, I give up. I am almost convinced that win10 cannot be installed from USB

qasdfdsaq

I've only installed Win 10 from USB

Hennes

5:55 PM

Or maybe the installer starts with a USB 2 pendrive and then fails

Old system: USB2 drive, win7,p patched for USB3.0 drivers. Installs fine. Upgrades fine to win10

New install (to a different drive, this time NVME SSD) boots from USB2, start setups

Looking for a driver (no clue which one). If you booted from CD or USB (yes, I did!) then you can skip this

Skip. Instllation cancelled

repeat

Inser tpendrive with drives... Most of the folwes do not seem to find much,
I can load irsst drivers (not using RAID) and then the next button becomes enabled

It reports no new drives found (no surprise there, it already saw the drive I wanted to install to before) and I still cannot click next

So either I am stuck because it want to find some drives which I am not going to use

Or the messages or too bloody cryptic.

Not sure why if it sees the USB drives and the target disk.
I even moved to different USB controllers

qasdfdsaq

Does your motherboard support booting from NVMe?

Hennes

Yup. It even set as bootable device

Hennes

6:19 PM

Let me try again with an USB3 pendrive. Maybe it simply is not compatible with USB2 pendrives

Bob

tank/data/cloud /tank/data/cloud zfs rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,xattr,noacl 0 0

Faheem Mitha

The mike in my headsets keeps dying. Is this something that is particularly prone to happen, or do I just have crappy headsets? Should I just use a separate mike? Comments welcome.

Bob

All of the above.

(I've never had a headset mic die before any other part...)

Seth

@qasdfdsaq Post below this thread that the source of the problem is the new software that logitech provides, and that you have to fully re-install the device & afterwards install an older version of it :) I'll then award the bounty (for your help yesterday) superuser.com/questions/908524/…

& thanks again for the advices! :D Learned a lot.

Anonymous

@Bob Yes I game. Not right now because my machine does't do well... But I want to change that over the spring or so

Bob

6:53 PM

@qasdfdsaq I can get 1.5 GB/s seq through 9p. Good enough :P

StackExchange

Stack Exchange Network Status: Brief Outage - February 14th, 2016

posted on February 13, 2016

Since everyone in the world will be off giving Hallmark their money tomorrow anyway, we will be taking a very brief outage to prepare hardware updates on our backend database and cache systems. We’ll be prepping at 19:00 UTC (2PM EST) and executing the failover shortly after that. We’re adding additional memory to our primary redis nodes and additional SSD storage to our SQL masters. In order t…

qasdfdsaq

Whaat. Outage tomorrow?!

@Bob Nice

I suspect your client won't be able to keep up

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Forget the client, my backing storage won't be able to keep up :P

It only went that high cause I was testing with extremely compressible data, and I have ZFS compression enabled.

qasdfdsaq

Mine can. Mwahahaha!

Bob

@qasdfdsaq -_-

Actually, I probably could push it if I really wanted to...

3x SSDs can probably get close on RAID 0.

qasdfdsaq

6:59 PM

What OS are you running Owncloud on?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Debian Jessie VM on KVM on Debian Jessie.

I'll be using their package.

qasdfdsaq

Jesse-ception!

Oh they have a package? Nice

Bob

@qasdfdsaq download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/stable/owncloud

Looks to be a very straightforward install process.

The following extra packages will be installed:
  apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data apache2-utils curl libaio1
  libapache2-mod-php5 libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
  libaprutil1-ldap libcurl3 libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libgd3
  libhtml-template-perl libltdl7 liblua5.1-0 libmcrypt4 libmysqlclient18
  libonig2 libpq5 libqdbm14 libterm-readkey-perl libvpx1 libxpm4
  mysql-client-5.5 mysql-common mysql-server mysql-server-5.5
  mysql-server-core-5.5 owncloud-config-apache owncloud-server php-pear

Hm. I guess I'll just stick with Apache for this.

Might slap Nginx in front so I can keep a consistent HTTPS config across servers...

qasdfdsaq

51 new packages... that sounds very straightforward >_>

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Well, it's going to sit in its own happy little VM

hmmmm the install wizard requires a browser on the server?!

> Point your Web browser to http://localhost/owncloud

:S

qasdfdsaq

7:10 PM

Meh, ssh tunnel a client

Anonymous

I cannot thank @Bob enough... I was able to work for 45 minutes with zero interruption from lost network

Bob

> It is now possible to install ownCloud entirely from the command line. This is convenient for scripted operations, headless servers, and sysadmins who prefer the command line.

Well there's that.

@onebree Hey, it was @HackToHell who wanted to revisit the VM :P

And a healthy dose of luck shrug

Anonymous

Oh, well whoever gave me the idea of changing the adapter then

Anonymous

I asked this before on U&L but got nothing from it.... At work I use CentOS and I LOVE how yum spits out the package name, version number, etc to be installed. Whereas on Xubuntu, all I get is a list of packages, no version numbers

qasdfdsaq

Anonymous

7:14 PM

I know that yum is optimized for rpms, and should not really be on a deb system. But is there a way to have apt-get spit out info like yum does?

Bob

@onebree Uhm... I've just used apt-cache policy to get the versions of a specific package.

216

Q: Check package version using apt-get/aptitude?

Before I install a package I'd like to know what version i would get. How do I check the version before installing using apt-get or aptitude on debian or ubuntu?

package-management apt version aptitude

apt-show-versions sounds like what you want

Anonymous

What I mean is, when I do yum install, it shows the version number to be installed. But apt-get install just spits a list of packages

Bob

root@phoebe:~# apt-show-versions -u
apt:amd64/jessie 1.0.9.8 upgradeable to 1.0.9.8.2
apt-utils:amd64/jessie 1.0.9.8 upgradeable to 1.0.9.8.2
base-files:amd64/jessie 8 upgradeable to 8+deb8u3
bind9-host:amd64/jessie 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9 upgradeable to 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u5
ca-certificates:all/jessie 20141019 upgradeable to 20141019+deb8u1
cron:amd64/jessie 3.0pl1-127 upgradeable to 3.0pl1-127+deb8u1
dbus:amd64/jessie 1.8.16-1 upgradeable to 1.8.20-0+deb8u1
dnsutils:amd64/jessie 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9 upgradeable to 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u5

qasdfdsaq

Anonymous

@Bob perfect, thanks

Psycogeek

7:34 PM

superuser.com/questions/1039496/… <-- tis a fine day for spam flags

qasdfdsaq

[Women write better code, study suggests] (bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35559439)

Urgh link fail. Stupid mobile chat.

> Computer code written by women has a higher approval rating than that written by men - but only if it is not obvious that the coders are female.

Anonymous

7:55 PM

@qasdfdsaq Interesting title, let me read that one!

Anonymous

meh, full of fluff. I mean, 4% is a small number, especially since the researchers do not have access to private repos.

Anonymous

I am not interested until the study is peer reviewed. I think it is just stirring up news about Women in Tech

allquixotic

I don't know any women in a developer role where I work... sysadmin yes, management yes, tech support yes, testing yes... but not development

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Ok, the packaged installer sucks.

wtf

I broke DNS

somehow

halp

C:\Users\Bob>ping files.vulpin.com
Ping request could not find host files.vulpin.com. Please check the name and try
 again.

C:\Users\Bob>nslookup files.vulpin.com
Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    files.vulpin.com
Address:  158.69.43.15


C:\Users\Bob>ping files.vulpin.com
Ping request could not find host files.vulpin.com. Please check the name and try
 again.

C:\Users\Bob>ipconfig /flushdns

Windows IP Configuration

Successfully flushed the DNS Resolver Cache.

C:\Users\Bob>nslookup files.vulpin.com
Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

*** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find files.vulpin.com: Non-existent dom
ain

Anonymous

@allquixotic I am the only woman in my department and suite (2 people not in the dept are there)

Bob

8:12 PM

hmm

it magically works now

weird. very weird.

Ok. ownCloud set up and working.

Fairly painless, DNS funniness aside...

Journeyman Geek

8:48 PM

._.

Its 4.50. I SHOULD NOT BE UP SO EARLY

@Bob looks like someone wrote a less hacky display for personal use on gfw. I'm gonna try the .net thing later tho.

Anonymous

Is SuperUser the defacto Windows SE site?

Journeyman Geek

@onebree if you want apt to give version numbers, add a -V

yup. And dejure. I suppose

Anonymous

Dejure?

Journeyman Geek

;p

by law ;p

Anonymous

Okay

Anonymous

8:58 PM

@JourneymanGeek You are my hero :-)

Journeyman Geek

(anyway, there's no other windows site, and we predate most of the unix sites)

Also worth knowing that yum is getting replaced with dnf

Anonymous

-V is the closest anyone has come to giving a solution that is ideal. 4-and-0 for Super User

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Apart from windowsphone.stackexchange.com

Journeyman Geek

oh?

Anonymous

Well, I use CentOS 7 at work, and I doubt they would move to dnf until 8

Journeyman Geek

8:59 PM

but its a phone tho

Anonymous

If anything, the next Fedora release seems reasonable. Any reason to move to dnf?

Journeyman Geek

much faster

DavidPostill

Yes, but it's still Windows ;)

Journeyman Geek

also, dnf has been default on fedora 22 and 23

Anonymous

@DavidPostill That's like people asking for Android trouble shooting on U&L. Only thing is Ubuntu mobile and iOS are pretty much the same as their Desktop counterparts

Anonymous

9:01 PM

I believe a coworker has Fedora 22, but he still uses yum. I will let him know :-)

DavidPostill

@onebree I know. I was being pedantic to wind up @JourneymanGeek ;)

Journeyman Geek

it'll redirect you to dnf if you run yum

Anonymous

dnf = "Does Not Function"

Journeyman Geek

9:18 PM

it functions quite well actually ;p

Anonymous

9:30 PM

Where are downloaded windows updates stored? Some were not installed, and my WinUpdate is bugging out

Anonymous

When I hit "check updates", it will flash to show some KB----9142 package for C++, but then it goes away and says all is well. Such package does not exist in Control Panel > Installed Updates

Ben N

@onebree \Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download

Anonymous

KB3119142

Anonymous

@BenN And how do I tell whether that update has been installed?

Ben N

Oh, on the left of the Windows Update control panel, there's a link that says View update history that will tell you about that. The Download folder is just where not-yet-installed updates are staged.

DavidPostill

9:36 PM

@onebree tenforums.com/tutorials/…

How to View Windows Update History in Windows 10, complete with screenshots

Ben N

Also, unrelatedly, drive manufacturers really need to start publishing whether the drive is 4Kn

I cannot find anywhere whether this particular drive is Advanced Format

Anonymous

@BenN Well I have a few folders of uninstalled updates in the queue, but windows does not notice it

Anonymous

Also, The update giving the issue says it was installed....

Anonymous

But I don't see it in Control Panel > Installed updates

Anonymous

Oh that update is in "programs and features" NOT "installed updates" (control panel)

Anonymous

9:42 PM

whatevs, see ya folks

Anonymous

great, now my toolbar is stuck open, when I have it set to auto hide

DavidPostill

@onebree wmic qfe list brief from a cmd shell should list all updates. Pipe through findstr to look for a particular KB

tereško

11:38 PM

til you can use MPV to watch youtube videos

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