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00:14
@DavidPostill o_0
oh crap, the self-test apparently drains 15% from the batteries
hope it charges back to full before I lose power ;p
if I lose power, I want to use my UPS as a USB charger for my phone... I can at least stay connected to the civilized world for many many hours (days) with the juice in my UPS plus my 2 Ah Anker battery plus whatever my laptop can put out
@allquixotic Has it started yet?
@bwDraco well I'm going to get hit with a minimum of 18 inches, up to 3 feet... you're slated to get less than a foot
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Did you get home alright?
@DavidPostill There are two parts to the threat of this storm: the snow, and the wind. Right now the snow intensity is about half of what it'll be at the storm's peak, and the wind is only at about 10% the intensity of the biggest gusts we are expecting
Bob
Bob
00:26
@allquixotic Get a nice beefy power bank for your phone :P
the wind is what is going to knock out power, because the power lines will be heavy with snow and then get blown by a 50+ mph gust
@allquixotic Stay safe!
right now the wind is almost calm
@allquixotic Unfortunately a UPS is pretty bad for that. Unless yours is really modern
00:27
The inefficiency of powering the thing and the inverter tends to use far more than an actual phone
(mine's quite old, but uses around 15-20w idling, whether on AC power or batteries)
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Only 20 mins :S
So using 10-20w charging a phone, another 15-20w would go to waste from keeping the damn thing on :-(
@Bob my monitor + USB hubs + computer are drawing 225W from it right now, so yeah
@qasdfdsaq might be a better use of its energy to hook up a powered USB hub and charge all our mobile devices at once, then... not only my phone, but every member of the household's mobile devices
@allquixotic I take it this sort of storm isn't too common where you live?
@qasdfdsaq snow storms in general are very common in the winter, but I've only been through two other storms of comparable severity in 30 years of living here
Bob
Bob
00:29
Hm. I can't even open PPPE.
@allquixotic Could be. Or yours could just be that much newer that it reaches better efficiencies.
snow storms are one thing; it becomes a dangerous blizzard (severely threatening to knock out your power) when it adds in the wind component
@allquixotic I see. Was wondering cause I've seen documentaries of people in parts of the U.S. with large diesel generators in areas where power cuts are frequent
we've gotten 16 inches of snow with an ordinary snow storm as recently as last year, and we never doubted that our power would be fine because the wind "gusts" topped out at 15-20 mph
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Oh yea. Are you still okay for SCL? Or would it be better to leave it till later?
00:30
this storm may gust into the 60s temporarily and have sustained winds above 40
As much as I want one myself (and I'm used to having one at work), having your power out twice in 5 years really doesn't justify the cost.
@qasdfdsaq power cuts are very infrequent for us - and I'm not sure why
@allquixotic Decent power infrastructure? shock horror
When I lived in central Edinburgh the only times I had a power cut in 10 years was due to ... human failures, and I had zero interruptions due to weather
Once the substation caught fire, another someone dug through a cable and blew some fuses.
if you were to trace the power line from my house to the power plant, it'd go something like this: buried underground for ~0.5 km; hanging on fairly old (1982-ish era) telephone poles for several miles; several "cross-connections" between different telephone pole junctions out around the 1-3 mile area; and then those enormous very heavy and tall steel towers that lead to distribution centers and the power plants
coal-fired power plant ~10 mi away; large baseload nuclear station ~30? mi away
We're more vulnerable because we have overhead power lines, not underground lines.
The power's been rather unstable around here lately.
00:33
@allquixotic That sounds... fairly rural
@qasdfdsaq suburban
I'm working on the assumption that a power failure will occur.
Bob
Bob
lol.
I don't expect outages these days though.
my PSU is also only a few months old
Bob
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@allquixotic Which is also why you needed a higher-end UPS...
one thing the UPS will definitely help me with is the momentary outages when power has to be shunted around due to a failure somewhere else in the grid
when I'm using my PC during even a moderate storm, very often we get these outages that are enough to trip my computer's PSU, but you barely see the lights flicker
it's just power being rerouted around an outage or something
the UPS will isolate my computer against that making me lose my state
@Bob o_0
Mine self-tests every week, and every time I turn it on.
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@qasdfdsaq I just never bothered...
and by "outage" I mean it lasts a couple hundred milliseconds
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Haven't had an outage in 2+ years I think.
00:38
@Bob That's the thing, mine just does it automatically all the time. I can't even not bother.
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lol
I can't even turn it off.
Bob
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if anything, the lack of self-tests might be good for the battery life?
I have some mildly dodgy batteries that sometimes my UPS refuses to power up on
Bob
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I don't know how SLA reacts to being fully charged all the time vs periodic cycling.
00:39
If it didn't self-test, it'd be fine. But it self-tests on power on and complains the batteries are bad. When they're really ... 90% OK
Apparently lead acid prefers being fully charged during storage but that's all I know
My self-test on my UPS doesn't do much of a cycle anyway, it lasts maybe 5-10 seconds
A 10 second test once a week can't possibly make much difference either way
@allquixotic That's kinda interesting. With a few hundred milliseconds I'd expect lights to flicker. At least "analogue" lights
ATX power supplies are supposed to have at minimum 16ms holdup at maximum load, some good ones do more, but the vast majority don't meet the minimum spec.
Mine exceeds it by about 20%, so that's 20ms or so... At 10% load I'd expect at least 100ms.
I'm not sure what switching time line-interactive UPSs have but I recall reading it wasn't actually that good
Bob
Bob
@qasdfdsaq You'd notice a dimming of incandescent but you wouldn't really see a flicker.
Incandescent takes about that long to power off/on anyway.
CFLs are a bit faster to power off, but still take a bit.
No idea about LEDs.
Probably instant.
@qasdfdsaq Heh, I just need it to last long enough to hibernate my computer.
@Bob I'm not sure how long mine lasts, it should be around 20 minutes but I expect like, one minute.
My batteries have really bad vdroop.
Bob
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@qasdfdsaq Hm. I looked that up before but I forgot.
So the gauge is... useless
I have a spare set somewhere
Oh wait I'm using them as a doorstop
HAMMERTIME!
00:45
:-/
Bob
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@qasdfdsaq Just taking @allquixotic's one as an example, it's rated for 4ms transfer time.
@Bob That's pretty impressive.
I'm not sure why but I vaguely recall reading some of them are longer than the ATX hold-up time
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@qasdfdsaq I actually thought that was more-or-less standard.
@qasdfdsaq Hm. Maybe older models? Like, really old?
Mine is also 4ms.
> Transfer Time (Typical) 4ms
CyberPower's "value" range from ~4 years ago.
I guess worst case can be longer.
But 16ms is quite a lot longer than 4ms.
(All assuming the PSU can meet ATX specs.)
@Bob Yeah you're right
between 2ms and 10ms depending on sensitivity setting
(Mine doesn't have one)
@Bob Mine can, most can't
> Transfer time 2 ms typical, 4 ms maximum
Heh
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Q: UPS Switching time

Jim CWhat is the average time for a UPS to switch from line power to battery? I now there are some more expensive "inline" UPS which don't have a switching transient, but I want to see if I can use a less expensive unit.

As always, everything I look for ends up on StackExchange
> Automatic Self-Test Every 14 days
Huh, not once a week then
Looks like my UPS is actually quite a bit more modern than I thought
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@qasdfdsaq You went with APC? :P
00:55
Yeah
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Was too expensive (and hard to find) for me at the time.
Is that good or bad? How did you know?
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I just looked for a cheap one with PC comms (to hibernate).
Ah. Initially, I got a used one from work.
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@qasdfdsaq I think APC is generally considered a good option.
00:56
When I had to return that I already bought my own replacement batteries for it, so I got a no-battery used one off Ebay for about £40 I think
Bob
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Might even be the best, I can't remember.
> APC Smart-UPS (1000 VA) ( item: 221207000716 transaction: 1177161335012 )
Paid on 18-Apr-13 £49.99 £8.99 1 £49.99
Close enough.
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But it's also pretty expensive and not really available at small stores here.
I have no idea what mine would have cost new, I got a decent second hand one I think
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Eh, CyberPower's decent.
APC is like the Cisco of UPSes.
At least ignoring the giant DC ones. Though I think they do those too.
00:57
Lol. Large, sloppy, slow moving and out of date?
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LOL
Yeah we have a giant APC system at work.
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I was more referring to the popularity in enterprise.
>_>
Oops?
I wonder if Cisco can revoke certifications if you bad-mouth them >_>
!!yousawnothing
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I'm not familiar enough with them to say how good they are.
00:58
@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
!!listcommands
@qasdfdsaq help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, awsm, ban, unban, color, convert, define, doge, domain, export, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, import, jquery, learn, test, why, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, goaway, status, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, say, facepalm, hv, ohhh, whocares, snore, toostupid, bababababat
plz, whee, lol, ittts, gates, potato, pissed, evil, ohmy, cancer, theplan, thisplanet, win, suatmm
!!nothingtoseehere
That's not the one :-(
Bob
Bob
00:59
!!nothinghappened
Ah that's the one
Thanks
> Date first available at Amazon.com: September 8, 2010
^ my UPS
You mean your UPS?
01:10
woof
Meaow
meow
@bwDraco I think you're confused as to what you are. You're a dragon.
Dragons don't meow any more than foxes like @Bob go woof.
I just like cats :)
roar
(Fun fact. Most snauzers typically squeak)
0_0
01:39
@allquixotic ... What does the fox say?
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!!tell 27043321 foxno
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Ahhhh it's been so long since I got to do that.
 
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03:18
;p
!!;p
@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ;p
@allquixotic Cute video.
 
1 hour later…
04:34
@barlop is not being very nice. He asked a question, turns out the command wasn't working ( nor is it a standard command ) in addition he claims he asked a question which he didn't implicitly ask.
0
Q: windows 7 is no longer prompting me when opening a cmd prompt

barlopi'm not complaining, just observing.. Windows 7 is no longer prompting me when opening a cmd prompt. My UAC setting seems to be default I open a cmd prompt start..cmd I get no prompt so one might think it's not running with administrative privileges. But I can create a file on c:\ Why would...

confused by the behavior
perhaps just nuke it for him?
Bob
Bob
04:47
@allquixotic How's it going over there?
04:59
Bleh, STILL can't make an orbital SSTO in KSP
Been trying for like, a week.
(Course people IRL have been trying it for decades but this is KSP! Moar boosters should fix everything)
Anonymous
man openstack sure seems hard at first
Bob
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Huh, I thought I did it with just a giant tank (or two) and one engine.
Though that was a while back... I think they changed the physics since?
Or maybe there were a few boosters shrug
05:49
Alright, good night. Hope to be back soon but chances are good I'll be offline for some time due to the storm.
06:06
sigh
Updated warning now says 16-22 inches.
I'll have to shovel snow in the middle of the night lest the accumulation becomes untenable...
My laptop's off, so I'm working on my tablet. Chances are good the power's going out, so I probably will be gone by tomorrow morning.
Bob
Bob
06:55
Hmm. The weather here is actually surprisingly nice today. Especially for the temp.
Brief respite after the crazy temps followed by humidity followed by rain and storms over the last week :/
 
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08:56
!!youtube
!!mustache
^^ERROR! @allquixotic
I was just trying some commands out, don't mind
Bob
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09:51
> Other possible side effects of taking calcium chloride include:

A chalky taste in the mouth
Hot flashes
Lowered blood pressure
Loss of appetite
Feeling sick (nausea)
Being sick (vomiting)
Constipation
Stomach pain
Feeling weak
Mental disturbances
Extreme thirst
Passing a large amount of urine
Bone pain
Kidney stones
Irregular heart beat
Coma
o.O
10:20
hm
No lethal death?
@JourneymanGeek For dogs, yes :/ "Calcium chloride can be poisonous to dogs. In fact, large enough quantities can lead to kidney damage and even death in dogs. If your dogs should ingest calcium chloride, they should be taken to the vet for medical care."
For humans also:
11:19
welp. Just shoveled about seven inches of snow from the driveway and sidewalk.
I am not usually up this time of day, but I'd rather not let the snow get out of hand.
The worst has yet to come. I'm not sure how much longer utility power will last; we've got gale-force winds towards noon today.
Good luck.
And check all windows to see if they are properly secured. Them blowing open in the middel fo a storm is not fun.
My father will be shoveling next. I can't last much longer in the snow.
11:35
Yes. my 10Gbit cable arrived.
Now all I need are the NICs
@bwDraco Please be careful. "Why do so many people die shovelling snow?" bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-30119410
"At least two people have died from heart attacks while shovelling snow in Buffalo, New York. Every winter, about 100 people in the US die doing this. "
Darn. 55 should ne 44.
Franklin considers snow shovelling to be so dangerous that he advises anyone over the age of 55 not to do it.
"when healthy young men shovelled snow, their heart rate and blood pressure increased more than when they exercised on a treadmill. "Combine this with cold air, which causes arteries to constrict and decrease blood supply, you have a perfect storm for a heart attack,"
Thank you for showing you care. I've already stopped work but I'm afraid of what's coming later today.
So I do not have to shovel. :)
11:41
The winds are getting stronger...
So stop eating beans ;)
12:01
@Bob I sold the talking fish ;p
Bob
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12:31
@JourneymanGeek LOL
@DavidPostill But beans are needed for jet propulsion.
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> large enough quantities can lead to kidney damage and even death
@Hennes Hmm. Human powered snow blower ;)
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I suspect that really applies to everything in everyone.
Too much water is fatal...
12:33
@Bob Like DHMO?
Bob
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@bwDraco Don't push yourself. Do it in shorter bursts if you can.
@JourneymanGeek I still can't believe they haven't banned it yet.
I know, right?
13:04
hahaha
"Home Office officials bungled the announcement of David Cameron's new English test for migrants policy after they misspelled 'language', it was revealed today."
13:45
sorry @Bob, I slept like 12 hours... was super tired from the week
Bob
Bob
14:01
@allquixotic lo, kinda guessed. Had a good sleep?
Power still on, not snowed in?
14:16
power on
@allquixotic I made a config file!
Change bot.config.welcomeMessage or source/config.js and bam
@allquixotic I can totally relate
Bob
Bob
All hail @Zirak, lord of the bot. And giant commits.
@allquixotic Should I take that as a "yes, I am snowed in, send help"? :P
Every line I change is duplicated, since there's also master.js ~_~
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@Zirak No release branch? booo! :P
14:20
But! Things should be better now. Maybe.
If i am reading this right, talking fish should avoid shoveling snow after eating beans seasoned with Calcium chloride .
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@Psycogeek You got it!
@Bob No release branch, no tests, living on the edge
Fox to the rescue!
Bob
Bob
14:21
s/to the/needs/
:P
Though I do wonder if the snow allq's in is that powdery.
Looks like a fun dive.
@Zirak Heh, more for the sake of not having to commit the built files to master, rather than for any real release tracking.
Hm. Github doesn't even show the changes in master.js:
> 1,624 additions, 1,613 deletions not shown
oh! oh! I also made /listcommands sort the commands
It's an issue you opened in 2013 :D
Bob
Bob
Nice to see bot.js cleaned up though. That was a pain to hunt through.
@Zirak Saw that earlier. Thanks! :D
2
Q: 486 computer does not POST

snaks20I have some trouble trying to POST a old Intel 486 DX motherboard. If i power up the board , the CPU becomes hot quickly and it doesn't make any beep noise, but only background noise (even without RAM sticks installed). There is one problem though : the i486 DX-33 (MHz) CPU is missing 5 pins He...

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Next step would be using a real require system instead of a weirdo, bugged out preprocessor I wrote in an hour
Bob
Bob
o.O
14:26
@Zirak as long as its not parsing xml with regex....
Of...of...of course not
...never
Bob
Bob
@Zirak Heh, I wonder if you could slap RequireJS in with r.js to build
browserify!
Bob
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> Combines related scripts together into build layers and minifies them via UglifyJS (the default) or Closure Compiler (an option when using Java).
@Zirak I've not used that. Looks good though.
Hm. What is this webpack...
You're exploring a very dark, very depressing rabbit hole
Bob
Bob
14:33
lol
@Zirak Can't be much more depressing than Ext JS
And I have to work with that one daily.
Next you'll see that no, Broccoli is soooo early-February 2015; you should drop that and use webpack. And don't even get me *started* on grunt, what are you using *that* for, you should drop it and use gulp! But nevermind all that, because webpack is too August 2015. Drop that and use rollup.js
lol you're still using rollup!? What are you, a noob? No no no, all the cool kids use system.js
Bob
Bob
-_-
@Bob I'll mention you in my prayers
@Zirak Hail Cthulu? May he eat you first, and digest you quickly?
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lol
To be fair, it's not all bad.
14:37
@JourneymanGeek May you be stricken down by a stray falling piano
Bob
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Huh. Blue dots are remarkably hard to distinguish.
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o.O
XD
Those guys do the wierdest concepts....
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@Zirak That font makes my eyes bleed.
14:41
Their pirate stuff was funny
@Bob Good
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My poor eyes :(
@Bob gloryhammer is pure cheese ;p
@JourneymanGeek Pirate stuff? Do you remember the name?
I'm under the impression these guys are basically Alestorm
Bob
Bob
14:46
If you require the time, you should get a watch. — user1717828 Jan 19 at 17:41
who were also battleheart
Battleheart turned into Alestorm, but one of the band members (the vocalist?) there founded Gloryhammer
I'm really fond of this for some odd reason
Bob
Bob
14:49
@Zirak Oh god. That one.
That reminds me of a certain animation.
"You're a pirate, Harry"
@Zirak I have a friend who I've promised never to hum that to. Ever.
...so you sneak into her bedroom in the depths of night and whisper it in her ear, over and over until she, erm, "incepts" the idea?
Bob
Bob
Oh here => youtube.com/watch?v=pMhfbLRoGEw (possibly mildly NSFW)
She
and that would be creepy XD
14:52
But if she were a guy that would've been okay
lol
apparently it was a earworm for her
granted its not that bad a earworm
Bob
Bob
Huh. Apparently the Alestorm one is a cover.
44
A: Cheating a multiple choice test

Thomas KwaJelly, 7 6 bytes _/ị“ḃ» Typing on phone. Will add description. (1,0) goes to A, (0,1) to B, and (0,0) to C. Arrays in Jelly are 1-based, and the indexing function ị works cyclically. Therefore, we can just fold subtraction over the input. _ [vectorized] subtraction _/ ...

how on earth did you type that on a phone? o-O — Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ 2 days ago
15:32
@Zirak Welcome fourth-wave feminisim
Speaking of, it it just guys who hit on girls on StackExchange chat or is it ... more general
Thank you, second-wave post-modernism rock
God I hate post-modernism
@DavidPostill Be like Cthulu.
I never fully understood what that means as it's used so widely. I've come to see it as everything made after WWI
@OliverSalzburg Bit late now, but for your email dilema, the lazy solution would be to screenshot the page as you want it and send a static image as the entire email.
@qasdfdsaq Whadya mean?
15:34
@Bob Yeah, it would be, except I'm playing RSS (real-scale solar system)
WWI isn't modern for me, it's ancient
yesterday, by Journeyman Geek
@qasdfdsaq people trying to use chat to pick up chicks.
We've had several cheesy attempts in the js room
They were swiftly dealt with. The most funny ones are aimed at the bot.
People tried to chat up the bot? As in seriously or as a joke?
I've never seen it in here. Apparently the thing to do these days is to invite people into private rooms to hit on them there.
But I dunno if it's only guys who are supposed to do it
@qasdfdsaq Why would I want to be like Cthulu?
As in seriously. In the js room the bot's named Caprica Six with a Tricia Helfer avatar...so it's a target for the overly desperate.
Bob
Bob
@qasdfdsaq JS room bot has a female persona
15:41
!!tell 27050067 shocked
Hey @ChatBotJohnCavil, I'm not wearing any underwear wink wink
@qasdfdsaq "Supposed to"? As in shouldn't female chat-goers also participate in the fun as you've demonstrated?
Bob
Bob
@qasdfdsaq ah, I only played back before they had proper missions and money. Or is it a mod?
@Zirak Yes, that. Or girl-on-girl or guy-on-guy. Is it a strictly heterosexual cis-male thing?
@Bob RSS is a mod. I don't play with missions or money either
15:43
@qasdfdsaq Being obnoxious is a human thing :D
Sure but unsolicited dick pictures on the internet seem to be limited to a specific subset of humans.
@Bob Basically it's a mod that rescales the planets and solar system in KSP to be the same size (and difficulty) as the real one
Which means the orbital speed is 5x higher, and atmosphere is twice as thick.
Some would call it "Hard mode" others woudl call it "Scott Manley difficulty"
Bob
Bob
Lol
Hmm. BlitzWolf F1. 1800 mAh battery, supposed to last 10 hours.
I think I've gone well over 15 on a mid-low volume, and it's reporting about 25% left. Nice.
16:07
> The heaviest snowfall recorded so far (up to 09:00 eastern time, 14:00 GMT) include:
28in (71cm) - Terra Alta, West Virginia
24in (61cm) - Philippi, West Virginia; Oakland, Maryland
23in (58cm) - Ridgeley, Maryland; Champion and Marklesburg, Pennsylvania
@allquixotic: Please don't die shovelling snow
@JourneymanGeek: Do you know how to measure snowfall?
Because this is the advice being given to U.S. residents right now:
> Some tips on surviving a snowstorm
- Make sure you have at least three gallons (13.5 litres) of drinking water per person, per day
- Use your dog to measure the snowfall
Bob
Bob
wut
o_0
They want people to lose their dog in the snow?!
@qasdfdsaq I think we are going to resort to the snow blower. (cc @Bob)
we have an electric snow blower that comes with its own challenges (like making it not blow the snow back at you - wind makes using it impractical) but it requires much less effort to use it than to shovel out feet of snow
Bob
Bob
16:25
@allquixotic sounds like a good idea
Then again my knowledge of snow can basically be summed up as "shit's cold"...
How deep is it where you are?
16:39
@Bob right now? 15 inches
it's going to snow constantly for the next 10-12 hours though
meaning, that number could double
16:57
@allquixotic whoa, be safe
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