Root Access

qasdfdsaq

00:00

@Bob I hope they do

If they push high core counts and massive IPC improvement it might finally nudge Intel into providing 6-8 core parts on the mainstream desktop platform.

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq 40% more IPC than Excavator.

Journeyman Geek

00:37

@qasdfdsaq SB was the first generation with on die GPUs, on die memory.... etc I think

@bwDraco we'll see when it comes out ;p

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek GPUs, maybe, but who uses on-die GPUs in a gaming machine? On-die memory had been around several years before SB

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I like it as a backup

If my video card goes, I still have something I can use to troubleshoot the machine

I sometimes hang a spare monitor off it too

qasdfdsaq

It's handy sometimes, yeah, but it's not exactly relevant to CPU performance

And I don't think people would be praising it so highly five years on just because it had an iGPU

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq and they were a significant upgrade in terms of efficency

the core i5s and core i7s were hot processors for their time.

qasdfdsaq

Sandy bridge wasn't a big improvement on the generation before it...

Journeyman Geek

00:43

IIRC it was

qasdfdsaq

Well certainly not on paper

i7 880 - 3.73Ghz turbo at 95w, i7 2700k - 3.9Ghz turbo at 95w.

X5672 (Westmere) 3.6Ghz turbo at 95w.

10% difference at best?

i7 980x (Gulftown) 3.33Ghz x6 at 130w
i7 3930K (Sandy Bridge) 3.3Ghz x6 at 130w

i7 3970X (Sandy Bridge) 3.5Ghz x6 at 150w

Seems the SB-E was about 17% more efficient than the one generation before it, which in turn was 24% better than the generation before that.

Ooh

Asus is releasing a consumer 10GbE switch

Journeyman Geek

01:03

@qasdfdsaq iirc 2 10GbE ports, bunch 1GbE ports?

Its a start I guess

qasdfdsaq

Yeah, although there's a higher end version with 4 10GbE ports

And they're also releasing consumer 10GbE PCIe cards.

A bit late considering Thunderbolt's just getting big, but meh.

Journeyman Geek

iirc if you don't mind pulls, 10GbE cards are pretty cheap on fleabay

Someone here bought em

qasdfdsaq

Yeah but most of them are PCIe 2

(Or worse)

Journeyman Geek

I also don't see a compelling use case (for me)

qasdfdsaq

01:36

> So there are a few things worth mentioning. The external dock does need an external monitor to run. Because the dock requires ASUS proprietary technology and only ASUS laptops will have it, we are told that the laptops will carry a mini-DisplayPort input connection, meaning that the GPU can be hooked straight back into the laptop if necessary.
If the dock has sufficient power, it can also be used to charge the laptop via a USB-C charging connector as well, meaning that the laptop does not need to be attached to power when this is occurring.

Well that's interesting, if not a bit, unclear.

Bob

01:50

@qasdfdsaq O_O

Laptop => external GPU => general display output => general display input on laptop?

So the laptop screen basically doubles as an independent monitor too?

Interesting.

Michael Frank

02:19

120

A: Was Aragorn's claim to the throne legitimate?

TL;DR Version: Yes, it was absolutely, without question, certainly legitimate, and in any case, there were no other potential claimants to compete with him. Aragorn's claim isn't as strong as one might wish for, but it is unquestionably legitimate. And besides that, he has something his predec...

Now that's a long answer! :o

Michael Frank

02:43

heh...

27

Q: Are 41% of Donald Trump supporters in favor of bombing Agrabah (the country from Aladdin)?

Is there a source for this claim?

Journeyman Geek

03:00

@Bob that actually sounds handy.

@MichaelFrank sounds like a case of lies, damn lies and statistics, as well as your typical political 'my side is smarter than your sidr'

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, also badly constructed polls.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank probably intentionally...

Ben N

One comment on an answer said that the polling company/service/thing is known for dubious behavior like this

Michael Frank

@BenN dubious? or hilarious?

Ben N

@MichaelFrank ?Porqué no los dos?

But yeah, the question was clearly designed to have the "smart" people pick the "whaa?" option

Michael Frank

03:14

@BenN I don't speak French. :(

Ben N

Oh good - that was Spanish :P

It's a common-ish Reddit image macro

Journeyman Geek

@BenN there's no whaa or this poll sucks option.

Ben N

@JourneymanGeek Right, sorry, I meant the "unsure" option

(Other commenters were bemoaning the lack of a baffled option)

Journeyman Geek

Or a I am unsure what you're smoking option....

HackToHell

03:32

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What a way to start the morning

Abraxas

03:44

ruff

bwDraco

@HackToHell Is it dropping packets?

That is awful...

HackToHell

@bwDraco It wasn't, rebooted the router and it's back to normal

bwDraco

Bufferbloat, it seems, given how consistent the pings are.

HackToHell

Perhaps, was torrenting ;p

Bob

04:00

@BenN s/common-ish Reddit image macro/well-known advertisement quote/

allquixotic

04:26

@Bob did you keep playing Hearthstone?

I just played the latest tavern brawl and got a legendary Nozdormu card from a pack I opened

Also it's cold in my room tonight... We're covered in a light coating of snow here in the midatlantic region

Supposed to get a mega blizzard on Friday, that should be interesting

Oh and iOS 9.2.1 came out today or late yesterday... Numerous huge security holes were fixed... Not happy that they existed in the first place though >:|

bwDraco

04:40

@allquixotic Same for us. I'm already getting things charged up.

Bob

04:59

@allquixotic A bit. Did some quests. Did alright in PvP (after losing the first couple). Faced an interesting Merloc deck :D

But I don't really want to get into deck building... seems awfully complicated.

@allquixotic Was hot and humid here last night :S

deostroll

05:34

Hi. What does it take for software to install other software on windows? (Not hinting about windows store specifically - rather how that app does it?)

Journeyman Geek

@deostroll essentially its a script that puts things where they need to be

msi is the 'official' way but something like NSIS would basically go "Ok, I need to add these registry entries, and create these folders, and copy over files to program files and..."

bwDraco

PSA: Want to make the most of your flags? Try the Tavern on the Meta.

Journeyman Geek

>_>

How exactly does that help?

bwDraco

A chatbot actively monitors all posts submitted to the Stack Exchange network and reports those with spam patterns.

Journeyman Geek

ahh smokey

I'm suprised it dosen't have its own channel

HackToHell

05:59

Whee I'm going to mumbai

via Chennai

Oh and anyone used a web checkin before ?

Journeyman Geek

06:16

yeah

HackToHell

How does that work? Do I need to print the boarding pass before hand ?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

HackToHell

Oh cool, then I can get a windows seat :D

Bob

07:24

@deostroll superuser.com/a/778961/117590 superuser.com/a/785363/117590

(Note that the accepted answer on that question is actually largely incorrect)

@JourneymanGeek msi installs are also transactional

Journeyman Geek

ugh

I need to redo the bias lighting

deostroll

08:04

@JourneymanGeek I want some sort of silent installers that don't need ui interaction?

Bob

08:19

@JourneymanGeek Speaking of which, I just got sent this in an email -_-

Journeyman Geek

08:38

@deostroll Funny thing that ...

@Bob that's much too blue

even in the photos

redone. Now they're two seperate units on seperate plugs, and shouldn't fall apart any more

@deostroll "Unattended install"

Burgi

morning

Bob

@JourneymanGeek shrug I wasn't exactly looking for them

Journeyman Geek

@Bob in which case

HAX

bwDraco

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 days ago, by bwDraco

We might need a CM here because I attempted to out a mod.

Any ideas on how to make sure this does not happen again?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco just don't.

bwDraco

08:44

This is urgent.

Journeyman Geek

If someone needs to mention anything personally identifying they will

No it is not.

bwDraco

...and if I post the same or similar content again, do I risk getting suspended?

I'm just afraid I might do something like this again.

Journeyman Geek

Why don't you just... well not

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

bwDraco

I fear that if I don't address my self-control issues, my Stack Exchange career will come to a grinding halt with an extended suspension.

2 days ago, by bwDraco

I anticipate a network-wide suspension and may be unavailable for extended periods of time.

Journeyman Geek

08:46

address it then.

bwDraco

2 days ago, by bwDraco

If it matters this much, just declare Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 EOL!

This was not necessary.

Journeyman Geek

and stop blowing things out of proportion

bwDraco

2 days ago, by bwDraco

Screw enterprises. Just upgrade!

Journeyman Geek

No one can fix that for you

Just count to twenty before you type anything

3

bwDraco

That's my acting out in response to Microsoft pushing the Windows 10 upgrade.

Journeyman Geek

08:47

And...

people ignored it mostly

bwDraco

That rant was unwarranted and my trying to push an opinion that is the exact opposite of what people want is usually the first indication of trouble.

Journeyman Geek

Basically outside a few small cases, anything outside the current page of chat is irrelevant

bwDraco

Look, this self-control issue has to be fixed no later than the end of the month.

Burgi

is someone on the internet wrong?

bwDraco

I'm dead serious about this and I can't risk something like this happening again.

Journeyman Geek

08:49

@Burgi heh, bit of a long running issue.

bwDraco

Oct 14 '15 at 6:49, by DragonLord

My past is riddled with serious behavioral issues and repeated detention incidents in school.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco quite honestly, your real issue is trying to be the center of attention

And well

you're doing it now

bwDraco

It's been getting progressively worse lately.

Journeyman Geek

so. What do you want us to do?

bwDraco

For some reason, I'm doing this at an alarmingly high rate.

Burgi

08:51

have a cup of tea, put your feet up and stop worrying :)

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi Yes! That would help!

bwDraco

I fear I'll completely lose my mind at some point, so I'm in a rush to solve this problem.

Journeyman Geek

.....

Burgi

@bwDraco when you start feeling angry just go make a drink

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek It might be best to treat things as if I'm a problem user. No further warnings; any further occurrences will result in disciplinary action.

...starting from a kick-mute from this chat room.

Bob

08:54

@bwDraco This is not something you rush.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I think I know how to moderate

Bob

Very very few people, if any, benefit from pressure in this kind of situation.

Journeyman Geek

That said, your issues are out of my scope as a moderator

bwDraco

I just can't deal with this any more.

*sigh*

10 mins ago, by bwDraco

I fear that if I don't address my self-control issues, my Stack Exchange career will come to a grinding halt with an extended suspension.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco Lets start by suggesting you stop quoting yourself

Ever.

bwDraco

08:56

I've contributed so well for the last four years and it's come down to this.

@JourneymanGeek Why?

Journeyman Geek

Secondly, anything that happebed more than 20 minutes ago on chat does not matter

bwDraco

No changes are planned.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco you keep doing this, and keep tying yourself in knots

You want help, start with that.

bwDraco

Sorry.

Journeyman Geek

Hm

Burgi

08:57

@bwDraco are you actually an angsty teenager irl?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi heh. He has had issues.

bwDraco

Just needed a breather.

Burgi

you know how we were talking about clickbait in HNQ yesterday?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Burgi

ux.stackexchange.com/questions/89160/… - prime example

bwDraco

08:59

@JourneymanGeek I'm not going to take that as an absolute, but I'll try to avoid it.

Journeyman Geek

that's fine

bwDraco

13 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

Just count to twenty before you type anything

For the love of $DEITY, please pin this.

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

For my sake and for the sake of everyone in this room.

Journeyman Geek

print it out and stick it on your wall ;p

bwDraco

09:01

Whatever.

I guess my pen will be my reminder.

Journeyman Geek

I actually do this when I am pissed off at people I moderate ;p

DavidPostill

Hmm. User posting question in Czech

Journeyman Geek

o0

DavidPostill

Flagged for mod ;)

bwDraco

Responded with a comment (with machine translation because the user likely does not understand English)

@DavidPostill: Try starring the original chat message, not the reference to it.

Burgi

09:04

i hope i am not coming down with a cold ahead of crazy party drinks on saturday

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Yeah, I figured that out ;)

bwDraco

Dec 4 '15 at 10:14, by Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I don't practice. I don't think about the greater good. I just have fun

I must be here for the wrong reason.

I guess I'll just have to take a different approach to the way I contribute to Stack Exchange.

The answer format introduced late in 2014 has itself been a source of trouble.

My focus here has always been about excellence, rather than simply having fun.

Jan 20 '15 at 2:04, by DragonLord

It's still a leap of faith for me each time I hit the Post Your Answer button, even 300 answers later

I must be trying too hard to post the best possible answers.

Burgi

I exchange stacks in between the huge periods i wait for our infrastructure manager to build me a dev environment

5 months and counting btw

bwDraco

That answer format, inspired by Thaddeus ♦ of Science Fiction & Fantasy, was an attempt to set a new standard for answer quality as well as address readability issues present in some of my longer answers.

...and I must have set the bar too high for myself to meet.

It seems I've been pushing myself too hard.

Even today, posting a new answer is a leap of faith for me.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I also tend to mostly forget what I said that long ago

bwDraco

09:14

Now I'm just flagging spam reported by SmokeDetector at the Tavern.

DavidPostill

@bwDraco There is nothing wrong with the format of your answers ...

bwDraco

@DavidPostill Compare a high-scoring answer from mid-2014 or earlier to one that has been edited more recently.

281

A: Why are we still using CPUs instead of GPUs?

TL;DR answer: GPUs have far more processor cores than CPUs, but because each GPU core runs significantly slower than a CPU core and do not have the features needed for modern operating systems, they are not appropriate for performing most of the processing in everyday computing. They are most su...

^^^ This is a wall of text.

Burgi

needs moar pics

bwDraco

Post Quality Advice and Tips

If you're looking to improve the quality of your questions and...

DavidPostill

Just flagging spam is a never ending task and therefore has little in the way of rewards.

Journeyman Geek

09:17

@bwDraco I might have said...

Stop stressing yourself so much

And stop stressing over stress

bwDraco

Trying too hard to be the best.

Journeyman Geek

Take a breath. Count to 20 before we hit the quote button ;)

bwDraco

It comes from my academic background.

I've been taught to not accept anything less than an A.

These days, I'm more likely to accept compromises, but I just hate to deliver any work that is less than optimal.

I guess the lesson to learn here is to not overwork myself. While it's good to have high standards, it's important to not overdo it in trying to achieve them.

It's vital to know your limits and to not push yourself too hard.

It's just like in athletics. Overexert yourself and you risk getting seriously injured.

DavidPostill

@bwDraco You clearly know what you think you have to do - now go and do it ;)

deostroll

@JourneymanGeek yes. I am thinking that this should be something that the software does silently

Journeyman Geek

09:23

@deostroll no no

What you're looking for is called unattended imstall

bwDraco

Alright, thanks for your continuing support and patience. I really appreciate it. See ya soon, it's really late now.

This pen means a lot to me.

Burgi

now i have to change my password :(

Bob

@Burgi Don't worry, I'm pretty sure SE chat (and Google) has a record of everyone's password by now.

bwDraco

lol

Bob

Mine's on here somewhere.

bwDraco

09:28

Hence, I'm wearing it as a constant reminder of my commitment to improving my self-control.

Alright, gotta go. Cheers :)

Burgi

10:03

this has come up on late answer reviews. neither the question or the answer are high quality. what is the best approach here?

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Q: How to recover password protected power-point?

I have a powerpoint file which was written using MS Office PowerPoint 2007. When I click on my .ppt it's asking for password. I forgot my password I used to open my .ppt file. I'm using PowerPoint 2013 now.

microsoft-office microsoft-powerpoint password-recovery

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi the answer was shit (and possible spammer trying to be smart). Question is marginal, and attracting low quality questions....

so.. deleted the answer, protected the quesion

Bob

@JourneymanGeek So many deleted answers it was near auto-protect anyway :P

Journeyman Geek

yup

Burgi

i can't delete or protect. so just flag to be closed?

Hennes

Pay PaI Your Account Was Opened Form Another Device

p a i ....

Yes, I sooo believe that

Journeyman Geek

10:15

hm

Burgi

WHere do you guys get the cookie cutter replies from?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi some use a script, some are inserted in the review queue

I'm not a fan myself

Burgi

for example, not an answer

0

A: Hotkey to switch between multiple displays in Windows 8.1

Thank you so much, you made my day!

HackToHell

aliexpress.com/store/product/…

So xiaomi sells routers ?

And it's a wifi 802.11 ac router for a bloody cheap price

>
Wired Transfer Rate:
10/100Mbps

Nope

Journeyman Geek

yup

HackToHell

10:29

Even then it's fucking cheap

It's cheaper than my tp link!

Mine is just 11n on 2.4Ghz

That has 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz and USB port on 11n

damn

Bob

@HackToHell I think I've been down that path before :P

Been looking at the Archer D7 for ~$125 recently.

But I really don't need more APs...

But 802.11ac!

...meh, not like that'd actually be useful here

HackToHell

@Bob lol, how many do you have now

Bob

@HackToHell Uh. Primary router + AP, a TL-WDR4300.

The Billion BiPAC 7800NXL is technically an AP too but I don't use it for that. It serves as a modem.

Burgi

another quick question, i guess that the number under everyones avatar in the chat is their rep. why is mine ~900 when i only have ~700 on the live site?

Bob

Two TL-WR841Ns and one TL-WR740N for guest and coverage.

HackToHell

10:33

@Bob I figured you had five or more ;p

Bob

An old NetComm that doesn't really work.

HackToHell

@Burgi It's aggregate of all SE sites

Bob

A newer NetComm NF12 for higher signal strength in the bedrooms.

And a couple switches around the place.

I already have full (house) coverage, and it's mostly for internet access so speeds aren't a concern. Wired GbE for bulk internal transfer, rare as it is.

I suppose I could add better backyard coverage...

Burgi

@HackToHell interesting, i take it it does not include the "free" +100 association bonus?

HackToHell

@Burgi I think it does

Burgi

10:37

hmm...

HackToHell

bleh can't find any cheap bluetooth receivers

which have a 3.5mm jack I can plug into

Oh wait aliexpress.com/item/…

that looks cheap

there's a sony one for 20$ iirc

Friend has one, it has a nfc pairing and stuff

Might be a better idea to get it

sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/…

It's 40$ :/

Stewie Griffin

Hi =) I'd appreciate a very quick input on this: Is it safe to remove all the subfolder of .lnk in regedit as proposed here? The answer has a single upvote, but I just want to confirm if it's not harmful...

I guess this might not be the place, but I don't want to ask a question "Is it safe to... " on the main site, as this is probably a very simple yes/no answer.

Burgi

10:56

@HackToHell even aggregated and discounting the "free" association bonus i'm down 200 rep

site	rep	Adjusted
Super User	713	613
Stack Overflow	207	107
WordPress Development	194	94
Information Security	188	88
Worldbuilding	180	80
SharePoint	179	79
Science Fiction & Fantasy	168	68
Server Fault	127	27
Arqade	112	12
Web Applications	111	11
Space Exploration	108	8
Electrical Engineering	101	1
Personal Finance & Money	101	1
Database Administrators	101	1
Aviation	101	1
Project Management	101	1
	2792	1192

Stewie Griffin

@Burgi: Superuser + So

Burgi

ah

Journeyman Geek

@StewieGriffin I guess you could back up/expiort your registry to be safe?

Stewie Griffin

Why... i have no idea...

Burgi

so is it every site above 200 rep?

Stewie Griffin

11:02

Maybe... i have 13800, so yes, i guess it might be all >200

Stewie Griffin

11:15

Thanks @J.Geek

Journeyman Geek

@StewieGriffin in any case already having a backup is a good idea, especially when running commands you arn't sure about

Journeyman Geek

12:11

DavidPostill

12:55

Hmm. VTC needed.

0

Q: UDP: bind: Address already in use

I have C++ codes to test UDP. A client and a server. When I try to run both on one PC, I receive the following error: bind: Address already in use Why do I receive this error? and is there any way to fix it? ifconfig ---> myIP server sends to 192.168.1.103: port 1617 client listens to 192....

linux ubuntu port udp sockets

allquixotic

My car got a dusting of snow last night

DavidPostill

Please read the comments and vote accordingly ;)

allquixotic

The amount of snow my car got is analogous to writing a Hello World program in C++ in preparation for writing Firefox. From scratch.

(compared to what's coming tomorrow and over the weekend)

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