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DavidPostill

18:07

Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (officially Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.) is an American federal holiday marking the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. It is observed on the third Monday of January each year, which is around King's birthday, January 15. The holiday is similar to holidays set under the Uniform Monday Holiday Act. King was the chief spokesman for nonviolent activism in the Civil Rights Movement, which successfully protested racial discrimination in federal and state law. The campaign for a federal holiday in King's honor began soon after his assassination in 1968. President Ronald...

Holiday in the US

qasdfdsaq

18:21

The cat's disappeared :(

> Additionally, we must take this opportunity to stress that Unity 5 - while a definite leap in the capabilities, performance and development power of the engine - is not going to inherently be a ‘cure all’ for issues, particularly in the matter of the instability of the Windows 64-bit build.

^^ 11 months ago

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq it's all .NET IL, so it runs on Mono or .NET

qasdfdsaq

Wait you can get .net in linux?!

> Can I get a ELI5 on what unity 5 will bring to the table for KSP?

64-bit all the way down: Everything now works in 64 bit (if you have enough RAM and a 64 bit OS, that means you can have a lot more mods). That means a working Windows 64 bit version (and a new OSX 64 bit version), and now the devs can look for bugs in 64 bit builds a lot better than before. This hopefully means less bugs.

^^ 4 months ago

Looks like 1.1 might bring working 64-bit support again :D

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq your ignorance about the Mono project is curious, considering you're a technologist, but okay

not only that but .NET CoreCLR is coming to Linux too

so that's two implementations of .NET on Linux

then there's that DotGNU that FSF tried to do that only half-works.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Well, never had any need/interest in cross-platform .net since the only thing I have that uses it is Windows-only games :-P

Apparently Microsoft released an official Linux and OS X .NET runtime last April o_0

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq that's CoreCLR, but it's not production-ready and doesn't have a complete API at this point

Mono "just works" for 99% of the .NET code, unless they do P/Invoke into the Win32 API

(you can P/Invoke into OpenGL or other cross-platform stuff just fine)

qasdfdsaq

18:27

Oh.

Still, I justify my ignorance by... why would anyone want to use .NET outside of Windows? :-P

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Nice try, but I won't bite. Instead, feel free to google it and find out for yourself. You can start by considering that Linux makes a better server-side hosting environment than Windows by a significant margin, so any server software written in a .NET language (for convenience, preference, whatever reasons) that can run on Linux is great news.

I hosted OpenSimulator on Linux for a number of years.

qasdfdsaq

Eh, all server software we run... isn't written in .NET. Pretty much everything run on a Linux server is native Linux or cross-platform OSS.

And anything that does rely on .NET (and is typically Windows only) we'd run on Windows anyway, since as you've pointed out, all non-Windows implementations are incomplete.

(In other words, I just don't get why any software designed to run on .NET wouldn't be easier to run just by running it on Windows than trying to reverse engineer/create an alternative implementation to/using an incomplete implementation of .NET on non-Windows)

Unless it was originally designed to be cross-platform then there's always a possibility of Windows proprietary APIs and functionality that might not work.

And anything that was originally designed to be cross-platform, doesn't rely on .NET

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Mono's got such a small number of 'incomplete' libraries that it's really not worth talking about. Sure, it doesn't support WPF, but who needs that? It can host full scale ASP.NET apps. And there's no emulation; it all runs natively. JIT compiled. Multithreaded GC.

@qasdfdsaq A fair bit of .NET code doesn't need any Win32-specific P/Invoke. Even if you are calling into the native platform, you can still port your code straight to Linux with no modifications if your libraries happen to have the same symbols between Windows and Linux (that'd be most of OpenGL Core, SDL, OpenAL, client libs for most open source software, etc.)

The only reason people shy away from Mono is that they seem to assume that just because .NET originated on Windows, no other good implementations are possible.

Yet Microsoft has engineers actively working on a direct port of the official .NET CLR to Linux, which will in the end be even better than Mono, and Mono is pretty damn good.

bwDraco

It's halftime.

A bit of a break before shooting continues.

csidolphins.com/news/2016/1/18/MBB_0118162214.aspx

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Well, I'm thinking more along the lines of it's a Microsoft proprietary framework designed for Windows.

allquixotic

18:41

As it stands, Mono more or less makes .NET as useful for cross-platform software as Java, except that it's faster, has a different set of higher level libraries for getting stuff done (ASP vs JSP, plus all the third-party libs for everything else you need), and isn't really portable to architectures beyond x86 and ARM, whereas Java runs just about everywhere.

qasdfdsaq

We already have cross-platform and open-source frameworks already (Granted, Java sucks, but it works).

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq As someone with specific experience in C#, I can say it's really not "designed for" Windows. There are a surprising number of considerations in the core platform that are explicitly designed to handle potential future POSIX compatibility.

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

They started thinking about cross-platform as early as .NET 1.1.

qasdfdsaq

> .NET Framework started out as a proprietary framework, although the company worked to standardize the software stack almost immediately, even before its first release.
Despite the standardization efforts, developers—particularly those in the free and open-source software communities—expressed their uneasiness with the selected terms and the prospects of any free and open-source implementation, especially with regard to software patents. Since then, Microsoft has changed .NET development to more closely follow a contemporary model of a community-developed software project, including issuin…

allquixotic

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

PathSeparator and DirectorySeparatorChar are early examples of making the core API designed "from the ground up" to work with non-Windows OSes.

That way, the API would be implementable on a system that does not follow the same assumptions as Windows.

qasdfdsaq

So why like DirectX, NTFS, and Win32 APIs implemented by WINE, has it not been used for any serious software packages on non-Windows platforms?

allquixotic

18:46

@qasdfdsaq Whoa, whoa. You're confusing two entirely different things. Apples and oranges. DirectX is heavily tied to the driver layer, and is kind of a hardware abstraction layer in itself for sound and 3d graphics (mostly 3d graphics though).

qasdfdsaq

"Almost as useful as Java while being different to Java" doesn't sound like something worth putting effort into porting to.

allquixotic

DirectX is not something you can just lift up and drop on another platform, because it's very difficult to make it work in conjunction with other APIs. You have to do a lot of work to make that coexist on a system with another API like OpenGL and the Xorg stack. To make it work, Wine has to use terribly inefficient and buggy emulation.

qasdfdsaq

Which is, by the sounds of it, the same state as .NET right now

allquixotic

Mono does not emulate a god damn thing. It runs true native GNU/Linux code, underpinned by the same FOSS libraries as Gnome, JIT-compiled at runtime.

@qasdfdsaq Totally false.

bwDraco

Mono is a full reimplementation of the CLR, not an emulator.

allquixotic

18:48

Emulating the native Win32 environment while running native EXEs is a very different proposition from interpreting .NET IL.

bwDraco

Alright, gotta get back on duty.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq I didn't claim it was "almost as useful as Java", anyway. If your target platforms are Intel or AMD or ARM processors, I'd argue it's better than Java. There are a lot of very good open source libraries for .NET that do stuff in a leaner, smarter way than what's available on Java. A lot of Java is frameworks on top of frameworks, useless boilerplate code.

.NET IL can be very efficiently optimized by Mono using LLVM under the hood to generate high-quality native code.

It benchmarks favorably against languages like Ruby with the MRI and JavaScript with the V8 runtime.

qasdfdsaq

"more or less makes .NET as useful for cross-platform software as Java" sorry. Understood that as mainly "less"

allquixotic

And there are serious software packages running on Mono on non-Windows platforms. Every Unity game ever ported to Linux uses Mono heavily. OpenSimulator is a serious server software platform used by the US Army and hosted on Mono. There are other examples that I know of.

Some Unity games can be built without any non-cross-platform (read: Windows-only) native code, in which case you literally press a button and it spits out a Linux build. You still need a separate "build" for games because Unity uses a lot of native code, but all of the built-in Unity native code is cross-platform (to Linux, Mac and Windows on x86 and x86-64 at least).

qasdfdsaq

KSP's the only game I play of that even has a Linux port that I know of, and I'm only interested cause the Windows version is basically broken in 64-bit

OpenSimulator... never heard of it before. Just not the kind of stuff I come across in this line of work I guess.

> OpenSimulator is written in C# and is designed to be easily expanded through the use of plugin modules.

Wait a sec, C# == .NET? o_0

allquixotic

18:55

@qasdfdsaq You can sign in here with your Steam credentials to see which Linux games you own on steam.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq C# and F# are nice languages

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Uh, yes. C# as a syntactical language is not inherently tied to the .NET platform, but the only implementation of it that I'm aware of is within .NET and compatible implementations of it like Mono.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq no, C# compiles to .NET machine language

Anonymous

it's like llvm

Anonymous

you might think of .net like a jvm-ish thing

allquixotic

18:57

.NET supports many programming languages, but C# is the most popular and most "well-supported" in many cases.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic I see. I've always thought of it as "not inherently tied" aka, more like C++

allquixotic

You'll find all kinds of useful tools for .NET that support C# extremely well, and something like VB.NET or F# "less well".

qasdfdsaq

Haven't touched VB since... well like, a year after .NET came out

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq why broken?

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq If you just go by the syntax of C#, sure. But virtually every program written in C# uses the .NET APIs extensively, and would require a complete and utter re-write to run on an environment that's not compatible with the .NET CLR.

qasdfdsaq

18:58

@PatoSáinz Apparently so buggy they had to withdraw it

Anonymous

@allquixotic yea you could say C#'s standard lib is .NET

qasdfdsaq

Hmm, apparently the Steam games I have that are linux compatible are Cities Skylines (yay), KSP (yay), all the Source engine games (since like, forever) and Civ V+

None of the AAA titles though

Unless you count CIV: BE

Ah well, either way I got schooled in the ways of .NET and C#

allquixotic

one of the reasons why .NET/C# makes such a great cross-platform games environment is that Mono is generally better at responsiveness than the Java JVM, and its native platform invocation system has lower overhead

so you can call into OpenGL and your other nasty native code (sound APIs, etc) and do all of that within the span of a render frame

Minecraft has to do a lot of hackery (like running most of their engine in actual native code) to avoid the problems with Java, even though it technically runs on the JVM

making a fast 3d game in .NET that runs well on Windows and Linux is easy; making a fast 3d game in Java that runs well on Windows and Linux basically involves doing anything expensive-ish completely in native code and just calling a high-level "Go!" API in Java

qasdfdsaq

19:14

Humm

That means our HPC workloads might actually work better if the developers wrote them in C# instead of Java

Then again I always figured C# would be faster than Java... on Windows

allquixotic

HPC is probably faster in Java if it uses just the CPU. Java is very well optimized for throughput, especially the Server Hotspot VM.

Throughput is a competing concern of responsiveness, though, and Java is bad at the latter.

qasdfdsaq

Sometimes it uses MPI

We talking responsiveness as in UI responsiveness right?

Eh. Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead. It's hard enough to get them to even use Java in the first place instead of python.

IIRC Matlab runs off Java though

Which is weird

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Yeah

I have a few Linux-compatible games

that, coupled with the fact that SWTOR runs fine on Linux with Wine (my main MMO), and I have no real reason to run Windows

qasdfdsaq

Oh I have Ark too, never played it

I'm pretty sure Rollercoaster Tycoon and the likes would work on Linux.

Though to be fair I'd just as soon run it in a Windows 98 VM.

Yeah you have several pages more than me either way

Anonymous

@allquixotic still it's "kind of" single threaded

Anonymous

19:28

everything happens in ticks

Anonymous

if something lags, the ticks lag

Anonymous

if the ticks lag, the framerate shits, the minecraft days are longer, etc

Anonymous

it's a problem with mods

tereško

20:06

Fractal Design Define Nano S Showreel

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Michael Frank

@allquixotic What site is that?

tereško

this looks pretty nice

allquixotic

1 hour ago, by allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq You can sign in here with your Steam credentials to see which Linux games you own on steam.

qasdfdsaq

@tereško Meh. Fractal Design cases are overrated. And third-party OEM'd anyway

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Oh cool. Lemme see what I got...

tereško

20:09

@allquixotic if you use steam client from linux, the defalt filter for library onl shows compatible games

in my case its 66 games (out of 140-somthing)

Michael Frank

Aaaaand it needs me to check the email account I only have set up on my desktop.

Guess I won't be doing that then!

tereško

also there is this filter in the store: store.steampowered.com/search/…

allquixotic

5 Words I'd like to see Retired from Game Discussion

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qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic While we're not talking about a game here, I stand by my comment

Reviewers basically began with describing them as "pretty good... for a bad case"

and gradually started euphermising the "...for a bad case" bit and eventually left it out complete.y

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq adding those extra details makes your comment valid. Just calling it overrated, by itself, is just a little lazy.

qasdfdsaq

20:22

@allquixotic Well the alternative would have been "Fractal Design cases are meh". Which isn't any better.

And yes I am lazy, especially tonight while I have a headache and am fighting with KSP mods

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Ah, but if you call them "meh" (or bad, or whatever else negative / neutral-leaning-negative word you want to assign them), that's you saying it from your own perspective, which is perfectly fine. No one is going to take that away from you. "Overrated" implies a significant sample of others have "rated" it, and artificially inflated their evaluation of it for some reason.

In this case, the details you provided indicate that they may in fact be quite overrated, literally.

umm, no pun intended, RE: "in this case" :P

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic I guess when I say "overrated" I mean something more towards the lines of "I disagree with others' ratings and would rate it lower".

Admittedly though they've updated some of their designs and fixed a lot of the flaws I was affected by with my case, but they've not updated my particular model.

allquixotic

Do you have a strong preference for another brand?

(watch it be something weird like Acer or IBM)

Oh, no. I bet you're one of those SGI case fanatics.

Daniel

Apple all the way.

allquixotic

20:37

Jun 29 '14 at 3:29, by Journeyman Geek

tereško

that's a toaster, right?

Daniel

Nooooo, that's a trash compacter

allquixotic

No, it's a 3d render farm.

It toasts pixels though. So a toaster of a sort.

Daniel

So you can use it as a virtual trash compactor if you want to, and simulate the exact way in which the trash will collapse.

With all the heat it makes you could use it as a space heater

anyone remember the old 80s boomboxes?

I'm building one, except it's going to be powerful enough to be heard from 5 miles away, and indestructible.

This is the powerhouse: ebay.com/itm/…

allquixotic

@Daniel I'm pretty sure something that could be heard from 5 miles away would be illegal unless you live on acres and acres of private property

but that's just a guess

Daniel

20:43

Well, I'm using it not just for personal music-blaring

nor will I be using it at full volume when I am ^

The only time I'd go to full volume would be mainly for bugle calls in parades and honor guard events and such

allquixotic

O.o

Daniel

yup

I do colorguard: dropbox.com/sh/20lbfp8vp1rbsa3/AAAKxqjxs-18fmBhUpBCY_Opa?dl=0

@allquixotic I'm the guy closest to the flagpole and saluting: dropbox.com/s/ya3epygrjj6ttb6/…

Michael Frank

Daniel

Seriously? What is this @MichaelFrank

Michael Frank

@Daniel Wandows starting Ngrmadly, abvaously.

4

Daniel

20:53

haha

Well

Redhat 5 had an option to set the default system language to 'Redneck'

Michael Frank

It's not my image though, so not really sure what's going on. I guess the character table is a little confused?

Daniel

crap it's 3pm already.

I need to run

perhaps @MichaelFrank

TTFN - Ta Ta For Now!

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank disk corruption

man, I love Wandows.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Lol, no. But Corsair currently makes a case that beats my Fractal Design in many ways while maintaining all the important features

If I were buying a new case today, it'd be that specific Corsair model, though I have no particular preference towards them or their other cases

allquixotic

which one?

Michael Frank

21:13

lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/dk-q2

This one is pretty cool.

Bob

@allquixotic @MichaelFrank @Daniel iirc that wasn't disk corruption but rather the video card failing

29

Q: What explains the garbled message "Start Wandows Ngrmadly" in text mode?

http://imgur.com/M3sni When booting up Windows, why would it say "Start Wandows Ngrmadly", instead of "Start Windows Normally"? I tried googling for an explanation, but came across too many hits of people merely ROFLing at it.

windows

Anyway disk corruption (or even RAM) would be more likely to crash the whole thing

VRAM is the easiest explanation for it looking funny but still working

allquixotic

@Bob ah, good old text mode

bwDraco

22:53

Just came back from Best Buy with this drive:

amazon.com/SanDisk-connector-Android-Devices-SDDD2-032G-G46/dp/…

Had a reward certificate, so it wound up costing me less than $5

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Corsair Carbide 600c

@bwDraco Nice. I have the 8GB version, been looking for a larger/USB 3 version for a while, but they weren't released last time I checked

Holy crap they do a 128GB version now?!

bwDraco

NANDroid backups should no longer be storage hogs on my Nexus 9. (TWRP can write to USB OTG devices, which helps.)

qasdfdsaq

Also this...

amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-128GB-Flash-SDCZ43-128G-G46/dp/…

Holy bejesus. Flash densities these days... o_0

Does that mean 128GB MicroSDXC is available now too?

bwDraco

!!/tell 26931380 yes

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco Command es does not exist. Did you mean: yes (note that /tell works on commands, it's not an echo.)

qasdfdsaq

22:58

Holy double-bejesus, 200GB MicroSDXC cards are available now o_0

bwDraco

...and they're a lot cheaper than you think:

amazon.com/…

$50.

Not sure why it tops out at 200 GB and not 256 GB. Might have to do with NAND die stacking limitations.

qasdfdsaq

Around £40 in the UK

Lol, Sandisk 200GB for £110, OR no-name 256GB for £30...

Given I've had endurance issues with Sandisk, Lexar, and Kingston £50 64GB cards, I'm not going to be trusting a £30 256GB no-name card anytime soon

bwDraco

Full-size SD cards have already reached 512 GB; 1 TB models aren't far off.

@qasdfdsaq What card models? The cheaper ones use TLC.

Bob

@bwDraco May well be yield issues.

bwDraco

If you use high-end cards like SanDisk Extreme PRO, you'll be getting faster and more reliable MLC.

Bob

23:02

20% of your NAND is broken? meh, just mark it 200 GB.

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco Sandisk Ultra 64GB, Lexar "High Speed" 32GB, Kingston 64GB "Class 10" nondescript.

amazon.co.uk/Lexar-Class-Speed-Memory-Reader/dp/B004BR2ZTM

amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Android-microSDXC-Adapter-Version/dp/…

and

amazon.co.uk/Kingston-Micro-UHS-I-Speed-Memory-Adapter/dp/…

Managed to kill all 3.

Bob

Ah, Kingston. Aren't they mostly (all?) badge-engineered now?

qasdfdsaq

Dunno. This was a couple years ago

Still use them for desktop/server RAM all the time

bwDraco

Those are probably TLC cards. As I said, you'll want SanDisk Extreme PRO or Lexar Professional 1000X cards. These cards are not cheap, though.

Bob

Hm. Looks like some of what they do is. Some SSDs and SD cards.

Not all.

qasdfdsaq

23:08

Not sure why I need an "extreme PRO" to play MP3s from...

Bob

And not RAM AFAICT.

qasdfdsaq

If TLC cards can't handle the simplest of tasks, they shouldn't exist.

bwDraco

Your application would be best served with SLC cards, which are scarce and extremely expensive.

Bob

@bwDraco ...his application is storing and playing music..?

I don't know what could possibly be a lighter typical usage.

bwDraco

How much are you writing to the card?

qasdfdsaq

23:10

A few gigs a month.

bwDraco

I don't see how you would manage to exhaust the endurance of these cards.

qasdfdsaq

(Also advertising 4K/2K video recording suggests it's supposed to handle heavy use just fine)

bwDraco

That's really, really odd.

Bob

heh

I had some issues with the Samsung (EVO 32 GB) microsd in my old phone. Would occasionally lock up.

Never really figured out if it was the phone or the card.

bwDraco

For what it's worth, my DSLR gets SanDisk Extreme PRO cards and I have never had trouble with them.

Bob

23:11

Currently using a Transcend 64 GB one, and it's been perfect so far.

@qasdfdsaq Maybe they handle it fine for the first few days? :P

allquixotic

WTB Note6 with microSD

Bob

heh

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Rumours are next-gen Galaxy S will have microSD again

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Old rumor. No updates or official confirmation.

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq People seem to be asking for microSD card slots more and more.

Bob

23:13

But the battery will likely still be permanent, which I'm a bit iffy about.

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco Correlated with manufacturers removing MicroSD more and more?

Bob

Then there's a rumor about the LG G5 - it's supposed to have a replaceable battery, but you open the bottom of the phone, not the back. Interesting design.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob makes sense

bwDraco

@Bob Best way to mitigate that is to try to keep the phone plugged in as much as possible.

Journeyman Geek

might make the phone smaller

Bob

23:14

So my next phone will likely either be LG or Samsung.

@JourneymanGeek Interesting, not bad :P

Could let them do the whole aluminium unibody thing.

@bwDraco Yea, sure. I'll just keep my portable device plugged in.

allquixotic

My next phone likely will not be Apple. Reason being, I expect [these]() cans will probably work fine with a latest-gen smartphone. If they don't, I'll march up to Samsung HQ and throw them at some VP and say "Try these on".

bwDraco

@Bob I try to have a power bank attached whenever possible.

allquixotic

these rather

Bob

@allquixotic I still haven't had an issue :\

bwDraco

The problem with a removable battery is that it requires a way for the user to easily access the battery without damaging the underlying circuitry. That makes the phone thicker.

allquixotic

23:15

@Bob did you get Matrixes?

Bob

@bwDraco See what I just said about removing the bottom.

@allquixotic Yea. Matrix2, remember?

bwDraco

That's an interesting way to go about it.

allquixotic

@Bob cool.

crazy that you can't repro

bwDraco

Battery slots in like a compact camera battery, I suppose.

Bob

@allquixotic I ended up with a different model from you - I got the 2014 one with microusb

they have an older one with miniusb and a newer 2015 one

But you've had it happen on a lot of devices, including SBC ones, and I haven't had it happen at all.

allquixotic

23:17

FWIW, it may be a matter of degrees of interference (as in, just-enough interference breaks Android, whereas iOS uses a bit more Tx power). I have a little (SSS) evidence to support that.

Bob

Then again, you haven't tested with an LG G4, and I haven't tested with any Moto or recent Samsung phones.

Journeyman Geek

@Daniel iirc dosen't run that hot. Its loud tho. That it still runs (Its a 20 year old machine) is impressive. That I forgot the password is not

allquixotic

When I was with my Sennheiser M2OEBTs and my iPhone in Washington Union Station, an extremely crowded, high population density area, I got several severe dropouts while exiting the station to get to the street.

Bob

@bwDraco Yea, pretty much.

The Nokia N8 actually already did that.

But they screwed the bottom on.

What LG's proposing seems to be an easier-to-remove bottom.

allquixotic

Also, I never get dropouts in my car, even with my Note 4, IIRC. :/

Bob

23:18

@allquixotic Huh? I'm pretty sure you mentioned car dropouts.

allquixotic

Car = 2012 Civic used to have dropouts, but Prius C doesn't (on any phone at all)

Bob

Oh, btw 2.4 GHz is pretty clear where I was testing.

allquixotic

Home = iOS doesn't ever drop out, Android smartphones do (not WiFi-only tablets)

Work = same as home

Union Station = pretty much anything is going to drop out, since my iPhone did

Bob

Basically all me (my wireless APs and BT devices)

neighbours don't do much, and the distance between houses minimises interference

not to mention the brick walls :P

allquixotic

I can pick up about 12 WiFi hotspots with enough signal to at least attempt to connect from my house

90% of them 2.4 GHz because people don't know how to configure their routers

Bob

23:20

I pick up around 6, IIRC

And another 6 belonging to me -_-

The first 6 are all very low though.

allquixotic

anyway what are your thoughts on these‌?

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Sorry, the page you’re looking for is not available.

allquixotic

> Ultra High Quality Audio (UHQA) technology delivers a true 24bit digital audio experience with up to 2x wider frequency range than standard CD-quality wireless sound.

@qasdfdsaq Really? samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EO-PN920CBEGUS ?

Bob

@allquixotic Is that a proprietary encoding?

allquixotic

@Bob Apparently it's a codec, as used in their marketing literature.

qasdfdsaq

23:22

@allquixotic Unlikely for any OS to affect the transmit power (on Bluetooth), more likely just variance in chipset and hardware in use.

Bob

I don't particularly like the sound of touch buttons :P

What's with this touch craze?

Especially on devices you aren't likely to be looking at?

allquixotic

IKR. But I surprisingly got used to the touch controls on the original Samsung Level On

I still prefer the M2OEBTs in terms of physical comfort and fidelity, though.

Bob

I find it hard enough to position my fingers on physical buttons.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic That works. Your earlier link had an extra 0 on the end

Bob

And touchscreens on cars are just evil. And dangerous.

allquixotic

23:23

Oddly though, the latency is excellent on the Level Ons when connected to my Imperial BART 1, but the M2OEBTs come with very significant latency.

Could it be that the M2OEBTs are for some reason not connecting to the BART over apt-X, and falling back to SBC?

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Woop, another proprietary codec taht only works with a certain subset of a certain manufacturer's products?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob cheaper/smaller I guess

!!xkcd standards

allquixotic

or maybe the Level Ons secretly support apt-X Low Latency but the M2s don't

ChatBot John Cavil

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Touch buttons cause no sound when you use them :-P

Bob

23:26

btw @OliverSalzburg your chat keyboard reply thing doesn't work too well on the new mobile ui

it doesn't scroll up to focus the message properly

allquixotic

I probably should avoid changing up my BT configuration for the foreseeable future. I'm 100% BT right now (both mobile and desktop) and loving it.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I haven't tried it on mobile at all

I'd be happy to accept PRs. But I'm extremely busy right now and can't contribute to the project myself

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg Untested/unreviewed PRs? :D *injects credential-stealing malware into a patch to fix extension on mobile*

Bob

@OliverSalzburg yep, I'll take a look myself at some point

but the new ui is still some secret testing thing, so unimportant :P

Hmm.

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic I will review PRs. But if it comes from @Bob, I'll be pretty trusting

Bob

23:29

Interesting that the max logging rate seems to be arch-dependent: support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/957662

@OliverSalzburg :D

bwDraco

Huh. Flash drive was performing very poorly because it was improperly formatted. Android doesn't know how to format the drive for optimal performance.

Did a DISKPART CLEAN and reformatted the drive under Windows. Much better.

Interesting behavior. The drive seems to be SLC-cached TLC.

I get a fast burst of about 60 MB/s before it degrades to less than 20 MB/s.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the new mobile chat UI breaks a lot of things

bwDraco

Cache is about 512 MB in size.

So SLC-buffered TLC has trickled down to these tiny flash drives? Interesting...

Sequential read speeds are right on the dot with SanDisk's claims, though.

Exactly 130 MB/s.

ChatBot John Cavil

23:58

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

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