Root Access

Bob

09:16

@JourneymanGeek Damn. I forgot Win7 and UASP don't mix :P

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Why did you install windows 7 on? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

My desktop is still Win7

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

Urk.

Hennes

09:39

Morning bob. uhm. Why why?

Also, @JourneymanGeek Why do you not like SAS in personal machines?

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes pricier, smaller for the good ones, and not much advantage over sata

Hennes

True. Even nearline stuff is pricier.

Bob

@Hennes Why not get the Startech thing?

Hennes

the startech thing does not work on windows.

It is a virtual GPU in software.

With propriatary drivers

Bob

They all are.

Hennes

09:42

It outputs the image over some encryption to a dongle.

HW wise that all works fine

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes I'm a big fan of standardisation

Hennes

You can extend a screen to it

And drag a window to it.

but you do not see the contents of the window. Just the outline of the window

Dragging it forst and back a few times might solve that

Tried it on a different laptop: Same result

tried it on my desktop at home: same result

Tried different drivers: same result

If I ran an application on citrix then those usually seem to work.

And sometimes I can watch a movie via VLC

But most of the time it simply does not work.

I could retry with 'HW acceleration turned off' (which is on by default)

So it might just be an installer which does dumb things by default

Also, the driver CD ships with a installer cold "old"

Journeyman Geek

10:57

barlop

11:39

When you have ISP NAT, does that mean your IP is not public?

Journeyman Geek

CGN

Yup

barlop

not routable then?

Journeyman Geek

AFAIK no

barlop

if it's not public, and not routable, then why would a site like whatismyip show it?

(IIRC it would with CGN though I may be remembering wrong).

Journeyman Geek

CGN is just like NAT at home

just... biugger

barlop

11:45

well with NAT at home if you go to www.whatismyip.com the IP You see is public/ routable

Journeyman Geek

bt not the address of a specific system

barlop

obviously not

Journeyman Geek

and you can't port forward with CGN

barlop

But why would a website like www.whatismyip.com not see a public IP?

if whatismyip sees the IP, wouldn't that IP be public by definition?

DavidPostill

12:09

@barlop It's a public IP but behind CGN (Carrier Grade Nat). You don't have control over the router giving you the public IP (it belongs to the ISP) so you cannot change the NAT (to Port Forward or Port Trigger)

barlop

I am not sure that it is a public IP

Because some CGNs will make it 192.168

Would you say that's still a public IP?

Journeyman Geek

you get the IP of their router somewhere

and for all intents and purposes you arn't routable

barlop

12:27

well, @JourneymanGeek you think it's not public and @DavidPostill thinks it is public

and i'm not sure

why do you say it's not public?

it's on the public internet, a website like www.whatismyip.com can see it

@JourneymanGeek Well obviously the computer behind your NAT router has an IP that isn't routable, but whatismyip is not seeing that IP is it

i'm talking about the IP that whatismyip sees

And I suppose That's the CGN IP. It's obviously not the IP of an individual computer behind your NAT. Nobody said it was.

Maybe you need to use more specific language than "you get the IP"

but ultimately, if that IP is "their router somewhere" that that suggests it is public

@DavidPostill have you ever heard of whatismyip showing a 192.168 address when people are behind CGN though?

DavidPostill

@barlop No.

barlop

12:46

makes sense, what you say.

I thought one time with CGN I saw that but maybe I misremembered it

I know that with CGN, the ISP sometimes gives a bunch of people the same public address

or, they give them a private address, possibly different private addresses

though it doesn't make any difference functionally.

But yeah I guess it's impossible for whatismyip to see a 192.168 address

yeah i'm pretty sure I misremebered it

ta

Journeyman Geek

@barlop you can't always trust those services anyway

My ISP used to report the same IP address for those services cause of the way they were set up

even if you had a proper ip address

Bob

13:54

@JourneymanGeek uhm. that's not how it works.

the ip address shown is the one the website sees, and the one the response is sent to

you might have an additional ip that routes to you, but all your outgoing traffic would still be identified by the ip that is shown on those sites.

allquixotic

yeah, you can't send and receive traffic on different IPs

not ordinarily anyway

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my ISP is wierd ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek what you're describing isn't possible within the confines of the IP and TCP protocols, AFAIK

Journeyman Geek

Basically they did some wierdness with proxying so websites would detect the proxy, and use its ip address

@Bob not sure what they did

Bob

But you are still going out through the proxy, and the response is coming back through the proxy.

Journeyman Geek

14:07

I ended up scraping my ip address off my router

yeah, but you could also directly connect to my public IP

Bob

As I said above, you might have an additional IP that routes to you, but your primary outgoing gateway routes through said CGN address.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob which means you can't trust sites like that to be accurate ;p

Bob

(Said routing could be more specifically targeting port 80 or HTTP via DPI)

Journeyman Geek

Also made using file-lockers a pain

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You can trust those sites to accurately report the address your outgoing connections use.

Because if it were not accurate the TCP handshake would never complete.

You have an additional address, but it's more a secondary address as far as web browsing is concerned, apparently.

Journeyman Geek

14:11

@Bob hm. I think we're totally off the original question and the abstractions I was making ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just read your last couple messages.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob including the bit that CGN is just nat but bigger? ;p

Bob

And, as a pedant, I had to correct that. They're not inaccurate. Maybe imprecise, since they don't (and can't) show the whole picture. But they are accurate in their claim.

@JourneymanGeek Eh, never said that was wrong :P

@JourneymanGeek 64-bit FF is going pretty well.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob that we can agree on

Bob

..? o.O

Journeyman Geek

14:17

I keed I keed ;p

Its been incredibly stable for me tho

Bob

Now, instead of closing tabs I can simply add more RAM.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Hennes

14:32

runs his belly.

Team lunch.... 3 hours

Bob

now I'm hungry

and it's 1:40 am

Journeyman Geek

This is why smart canids have a cache of snacks ;p

(Ash does, parents leave homemade treats in the room. The human needs to be careful to avoid stepping on em ;p)

qasdfdsaq

15:30

O_o

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Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq basically my mom makes these wholewheat breadsticks.

pretty tasty (even for humans) and its healthier than say, cheese.

Bob

you and your cheese

chat.stackexchange.com/…

qasdfdsaq

:D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob cheese is clearly humanity's greatest invention

and not that plastic stuff. Wouldn't feed that to cats

qasdfdsaq

Cats love cheese

Hennes

15:43

Aye.

Cheese, brussel spouts, aperagus, egss.... All things cats eat

Journeyman Geek

Feb 20 '14 at 23:58, by Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic Its a little known fact that wauzers were first bred during the Napoleonic wars to hunt down deserting french soldiers by the smell of their canned meat. However, what they were really after was the cheese. However, they found that despite their menacing bark, the wee bastards kept getting adopted by local kids, and were perfectly content to snooze at fireplaces, so they got replaced by street urchins.

qasdfdsaq

Ermm

Bob

i.imgur.com/UXCBWlW.gifv

qasdfdsaq

lol

Bob

@qasdfdsaq You on your flight yet?

qasdfdsaq

15:55

Nah

Trying to figure out my laptop charger port wiring

Bob

16:06

> Oculus Rift CV1 begins shipping to developers

@qasdfdsaq ^

Dunno how that would affect the pricing of yours.

qasdfdsaq

No wonder nobody wants my DK2 :(

qasdfdsaq

16:21

Stupid 3-pin proprietary chargers

1 hour to checkin and there's literally two seats left. And one's a baby seat

No wonder the 7-hour connection is selected bydefault :-/

qasdfdsaq

16:59

o_0

I just got upgraded

> As a valued Executive Club member, we’d like you to enjoy the comfort, extra space and service of premium economy when you fly with us to Singapore on Thursday 24 December 2015 on BA0015. Enjoy your flight.

That's new...

Guess they went from one seat left to zero seats left :-/

I'm now in the part of the plane where I am least likely to die from impact injuries but most likely to die from fire in the event of a crash

Hennes

17:28

Home! Home is where the Guinness is.

JakeGould

18:47

-4

Q: Why does StackExchange not fix it's login account system?

I love the question/answer nature of this community but it's frustrating to do a Google search and find a question/answer on here that I'd like to contribute to, but then be presented with login phase, not be sure of which login I use, and then go through the phase where I try to figure out how I...

Someone please migrate the above thread to Meta or close it. A raindrop hit someone’s head and apparently the sky is falling.

qasdfdsaq

19:08

lol

Hennes

19:26

There is a very easy solution. Use the same username and passwords on all your accounts (including the one for internet banking)>

qasdfdsaq

19:54

I always use the login with FB button anyway

bwDraco

Some notes on the battery for my new camera. It seems the camera is willing to deep-discharge the battery down to as low as 2.6 V if you try to turn it on when the camera reports "Battery exhausted."

This is unhealthy for the battery if maintained for extended periods of time, so you should plug in the camera as soon as possible when you get the "Battery exhausted" message.

The first time you see "Battery exhausted" on a charge, the battery is at about 3.3 V. Retrying, especially if you remove and reinsert the battery, will only cause deep discharging to occur.

Fortunately, genuine replacement batteries are not exorbitantly expensive (B&H has it for US$22.09).

Also, the camera charges via a Micro-USB port, so no special equipment is required to recharge the camera (although full charge rates are attained only with the supplied Nikon AC adapter.)

bwDraco

20:16

My mom's camera came with a Canon NB-11L, a very small battery (680 mAh), which may be replaced with the newer NB-11LH (800 mAh). B&H charges $45 for this rather small battery.

The Canon part closest to the Nikon EN-EL12 my camera takes is the Canon NB-6LH, which also costs $45. Canon has insane markups on its camera batteries.

As noted earlier, the Nikon part costs less than $25.

These small prismatic Li-ion batteries aren't all that expensive to manufacture. Canon's just charging insane prices for them.

qasdfdsaq

20:40

All this chicken, and all I need is my online banking details.

qasdfdsaq

22:00

Grr, can't find my Oculus rift power adapter either

Everything's gone missing today

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq I thought you were supposed to be on a plane?

qasdfdsaq

No, plane happens tomorrow

Seth

22:17

@Bob So I managed to get a windows repair disk, but sfc still couldn't fix the issues it found >:|

DavidPostill

Ah, you checked in early then ;)

qasdfdsaq

Have to pay to pick seats before checkin, so I did it as soon as it opened

Seth

23:24

mmm, is %APPDATA% C:\Users\username\AppData\Local or \AppData\Roaming?

oh duh, nvm.

qasdfdsaq

lol

qasdfdsaq

23:42

Bleh, how long is this backup going to take...

DavidPostill

@Seth

APPDATA=C:\Users\DavidPostill\AppData\Roaming

Windows 7

Leathe

Wtf Microsoft. Did you really not let me choose where to install office?

ChatBot John Cavil

23:59

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