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04:00
Also the new expansion a few weeks ago introduced yet another type of rep phaser, which seems to be all the rage right now
I've got sucked into the high-dps-metagame lately though. :-/
@bwDraco A natural gas dryer? Interesting! We have a natural gas supply (not a canister, the continuous delivery pipes).
But our dryer uses electricity to generate the heat
Anyhow. 4am. Really need sleep.
Gnight.
Sleep well!
<--- @allquixotic on STO
And once again, sorry for the drama
<== @qasdfdsaq on STO
04:01
lol aren't we original!
/friend @qasdfsaq when I log on next
fdsaq*
The last dryer that died on us was supposed to be a decent GE model.
We now have an Admiral.
Bob
Bob
Still not-so-patiently waiting...
04:02
Gotta go.
@Bob :D Eager to get your goods!
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@qasdfdsaq 'night.
@allquixotic I should have three parcels in the next month :P
Oh, could you check how much USPS would charge for 30x30x100cm 15kg to sydney? just out of curiosity
@Bob Amazon told me I have received 21 shipments in the past 6 months. I felt guilty. Such fuel consumption. Such packaging. Such consumerism.
But then I snuggle my wind-up lantern, my headphones, my UPS... and I forget it all.
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@allquixotic I've placed 7 orders in that same time.
Averaging 10 USD shipping per order, I think
Averaging $0 USD per shipping order. :D
Also, I've bought maybe 10 In-Store Pickup items from Best Buy (basically, a way to "reserve" your item, pay online, and pick it up without having to find it on the shelves)
04:04
lol
!!/help doge
@bwDraco doge: so shibe, much doge, wow `/doge one,two,three[,nth]
That's how I got my Nvidia-nvidia-nvidia (not Powercolor or XFX or whatever) GTX 980
!!/tell 25870984 doge "fuel consumption" packaging consumerism
@bwDraco Command doge cannot be used in /tell.
04:04
@bwDraco we have a 15 year old dryer
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@allquixotic That's what I did with Dick Smith - when the local store stocks the item
But they're possibly going to close soon.
!!doge "fuel consumption" packaging consumerism
Whoops, stupid chat formatting restrictions
     wow
such "fuel consumption" packaging consumerism
Got the syntax wrong.
04:05
!!doge fuel consumption,packaging,consumerism
!!/doge fuel consumption,packaging,consumerism
      wow
                  such fuel consumption
                         many packaging
very consumerism
    wow
            very fuel consumption
                      much packaging
so consumerism
whoops
@allquixotic that's why I have the 3 month rule
and the allowance ;p
@JourneymanGeek I lack the discipline to do that, especially when living at home and making a living wage of my own. D:
If I had a 3 month rule, I'd have thousands of dollars saved in a savings account somewhere. What good's money just sitting there in the bank?!
04:07
@allquixotic Most of the money I made at the sfx place is in the bank ;p
Interesting! Apparently, my UPS is reporting very frequent overvoltage delivered from the mains, on the order of 2 to 4 Volts.
Not enough to make it try and condition the power, but it's just weird.
Maybe the step-down transformer from the carrier voltage to residential voltage is not so great.
It could be 20, 30 years old :P
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic That's completely normal and within tolerance.
We have +10%/-6% tolerance here, on 230 V nominal.
Though preferred is +6%/-2%
I'd really like to get a new monitor tho.
Bleh.
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek Dell Outlet?
Naw. Fleabay.
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04:14
ugh :P
Decided on what I want, I can get it within my allowance too.
@allquixotic The correct voltage range here in the US is 110 to 125 volts. Modern homes should give you 120 at the outlet.
4k 4x HDMI 2.0 1x dp
@bwDraco I'm getting approximately 120 at the outlet, but it's registering 121 - 124.
> Question: The Box says CP1500FCLCD ADAPTIVE SINE WAVE . The spec sheet says "Output Waveform" ADAPTIVE SINE WAVE. Is this really a PURE SINE WAVE DEVICE?
Answer: I got the below from Tom's Hardware from someone who asked the same question and the answer they received from CyberPower:
"I received the following answer from Pietro Boggio, Senior Technical Support Specialist at CyberPower:
"No digitally created wave can be a true mathematically curved analog wave. But the number of digital steps used to create the wave can be great enough that the electronics used in even the highest efficien
Wow, they have very intelligent tech support, too. Informative, even.
It's still my first day with it, but... 10/10 would buy again.
@Bob According to the manufacturer, my 32" Alpha LED IPS LCD consumes an average of 51 Watts when "On" (not specified what type of content, what type of connection, etc.). So subtracting 51W from 220W means my computer must be using in the 170s-ish Watts mostly idle (mostly = Chrome and other desktop apps running, but no games).
Bob
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04:38
@allquixotic Still a good chunk more than mine :P
Probably the RAID card and GPU
Yeah, the RAID card, four HDDs and three SSDs gets pretty hungry.
Plus I have three USB devices connected directly to the motherboard without going through a powered USB hub, which eventually comes out of the PSU, which eventually draws from the UPS: my Roccat Nyth mouse, my Das Keyboard mechanical keyboard, and a WiFi USB dongle
RAID card: "1.0A @ 3.3VDC 1.1A @ 12VDC"
3.3W + 12.1W? Am I doing that voltage/amperage to power conversion correctly?
@allquixotic what's an alpha LED?
15.4W for the RAID card. That's significant.
04:46
Oh
and how long have you had the roccat?
Toying with giving them a third chance.
(love my Taipan but its too narrow)
about a month; the buttons used by my right thumb are a little wonky and hard to accurately and quickly press, but the pointing accuracy is superior to my old mouse, and the scroll wheel feels lovely
ahh
I had 2 XTDs die so...
I'll wait till you've had it a year ;p
Bob
Bob
My 602 revived itself o.O
(middle button was getting a bit dodgy, but it's fine now...)
05:04
!!/coffee
@Daniel "undefined"
Bob
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@Daniel heh. that's coffeescript
!!coffee 1+1
!!> 6923354/1123903495403
@allquixotic 0.000006160096510348053
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06:00
@allquixotic o.O
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06:34
Any thoughts on the Archer C2?
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07:23
...wtf. Just got a call with no id.
Recorded voice: "Please wait, someone will assist you shortly."
And they hung up.
O_O
Just got a call on my mobile from a private number. A recorded voice said "please wait, someone will assist you shortly" then hung up. :/
Well that was weird - answered a private number call, got an automated "Please wait, someone will assist you shortly." Then it hung up.
The only two references on Google...
 
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08:45
@jokerdino What's the situation there ?
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09:00
@allquixotic Matrix2 has a 3.5mm port, right?
Do you happen to know if it needs battery power when that is used?
O_O Google's scaring me
daymn
10:01
@Bob Deduces it from your e-mails.
@Bob In our country it is known they place a few of such calls, after which they have an advocate call you for a mass lawsuit against the unknown callers. They ask you money for the advocate, such that the advocate can attempt to get you a ton of money because of the damage the calls have caused you. Don't pay those fake advocates.
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@TomWijsman I guessed that. Still rather disconcerting.
@TomWijsman ...I'd sooner just block private numbers.
Except certain family members use them. Bleh.
Yeah, sometimes my dad leaves it on private after calling a customer, also known the dentist to use a private number, ...
It's fun to listen for the background noise in those few seconds.
Last time I effectively heard two hired students talking over something.
So they were probably creating a list of people whom pick up to call.
Funny I took up the first and second phone call, but not the third because I was calling someone at that time. :D
Probably was the thing they reported on the news about that fake advocate stuff, haven't called since the news came by so it probably were them...
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@TomWijsman Apparently WinPhone lets you set it to call private to non-contacts.
You might end up spending more work to add a lot of contacts that way.
If you want your number to show up for business contacts but not for sale customers.
Makes me kinda wonder how many business contacts would block private numbers.
10:20
mornin'
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@TomWijsman Well, you could always get a second phone.
Cheap phone just for calls => $20
@Bob And a second subscription.
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@TomWijsman True. Though generally calls without data doesn't cost all that much these days.
That's the tradeoff for convenience.
11:10
@Ramhound The program is Simulationcraft (World of Warcraft fan software that can simulate the in-game performance of any character) with the priority setting set to high
You launch it, configure it and then set it to work, and when I let it work while warcraft is open, Warcraft will have the sound loop in small segments. like forforforforfor-thethethethethe-Horhorhorhorhor-dedededede
biology.stackexchange.com/a/41183/19679 What do you usually do with answers that completely incorrect - was I right to provide him with the resources to fix it rather than provide the mods with a reason to delete it?
@Bob I get those all of the time ;) not from private numbers , however. It may just be a method of testing if the phone number is still in use so, the sales team don't waste there time on inaccurate details. also, it could be used to determine an estimate for the recipients location, allowing them to sell more focused products and hence, products that are more popular in that area to increase sales probability etc
@R.Doto or write your own answer.
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11:26
@JourneymanGeek I don't want to steal the limelight; )haha. He seems as if he's looking to get into biology more, i figured that it'd be nice to let him answer it. Also, it's too time consuming...
@R.Doto I consider situations like that a teaching moment ;p
@JourneymanGeek good point hehe. On that note, I might write an answer later on!
@JourneymanGeek have you heard of the TPS (telephone preference service)?
@R.Doto Neither is appropriate. Flagging an answer because you disagree with it is NOT how StackExchange works.
11:43
Nope
Providing more info is actually not a bad idea, but there's a chance it could be lost.
@qasdfdsaq I flagged it... :D I disagree with it , since it's entirely incorrect. He assumed that the muscular anatomy of a limb is the same as that of which moves our eye.
@R.Doto Again, flagging an answer because you disagree with it is not what flags are for. And it's not incorrect.
@R.Doto Flagging is NOT for factually incorrect answers. Flagging is for offensive answers and answers that should be comments.
@qasdfdsaq I flagged it for moderator intervention
11:48
@R.Doto that's not what that flag is for though
@qasdfdsaq lol - you think his answer is correct?
@R.Doto And that was the wrong thing to do.
@R.Doto I know his answer is correct.
@R.Doto Flagging something means "hey, this answer goes against the rules of Stack Exchange, could you delete it?". It is not really against the rules of Stack Exchange to be wrong about something
But since my opinion is no more or less valid than yours, that's why we both get one vote.
@qasdfdsaq Sigh. his answer didn't acknowledge basic ophthalmology.
11:51
Think about flagging in the same way as you would think about calling the police IRL: You call the police because someone in your street is shouting racial slurs at teenagers outside a school, you don't call them because someone tries to convince you that oranges are purple
@NateKerkhofs You can define your reasoning for flagging a post? I did.
@R.Doto And you're an opthalmologist and have some as yet undisclosed knowledge that suggests skeletal muscle in the eye somehow works differently than that in every other part of the body?
@NateKerkhofs That's irrelevant.
@R.Doto Why is that comparison irrelevant?
@NateKerkhofs Depends on their gender and attractiveness tbh.
11:53
@qasdfdsaq Okay, I reworded it for something that MOST people would consider offensive
@NateKerkhofs It isn't. The comparison is spot on, R.Doto is "irrelevant" :-P
@NateKerkhofs I take pride in not conforming to "most people" norms!
And now it depends on the gender and attractiveness of the someone shouting the slurs in relation to the teenagers being shouted at.
Argh this is getting ever more complicated by the minute!
@qasdfdsaq No, I'm not an ophthalmologist. However, that doesn't mean that anything I say is incorrect as and when it lies within the parameters of ophthalmology?
@R.Doto The only thing you've said is he's incorrect, without providing any factual statements to back it up
@qasdfdsaq I really don't think the police would care whether the person shouting "squinters" at the asian students is a fat bald dude or a supermodel
@NateKerkhofs Actually they probably would
(Although that's another topic altogether)
11:57
@qasdfdsaq They shouldn't, which is the point
I was implying I would care in deciding whether or not to call the police, although once I realised that, I realised actually that's how all people behave
@NateKerkhofs moderators don't emulate anything close to a police serviceman. moderators, preserve and police officers protect.
(Plenty of studies have been done about whether people call the police depending on whether a perpetrator is black, white, male, female, etc.)
@qasdfdsaq are you asking me me to list why it is incorrect?
In one demo, a black actor was stealing a bike and plenty of people called the police, swore at him, and even attacked him
A white female actor paid doing the same thing had nobody call the police, even when she said she was stealing, some men even tried to help her steal the bike
11:59
Could we please get off the topic of racial prejudices in our society and get back to what should be flagged and what shouldn't?
@R.Doto Isn't the whole point of StackExchange to provide factual information and educate others?
"You're wrong because you didn't mention opthalmology" is neither factual information nor useful or educational.
@NateKerkhofs Honestly I doubt he's going to listen. His flag is going to get ignored, and his flagging rights will be removed if he keeps going, so it's not to our benefit to try convince him otherwise.
@qasdfdsaq Demos are inconclusive. the demographics are not large enough. Nor do they represent an individual of a race imo
@R.Doto So now you're saying the entire field of social psychology is wrong and so is biology and ophthalmology because, you know better?
@NateKerkhofs just flag all the spam
If you're faster than me.
There's actually a reject reason for flagging an inaccurate answer.
@qasdfdsaq Please provide quotes to prove I said that.
12:03
!!s/ignored/rejected
@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@qasdfdsaq you're irrational and making brazen conclusions
!!s/ignored/rejected/
@qasdfdsaq !!s/rejected/rejected (source)
Ah fudge.
@JourneymanGeek That's what I meant :-P Rejected, not ignored. But eh! You know the terms better than me
@R.Doto Says the guy flagging other peoples' answers for moderators because "it didn't mention ophthalmology, also I'm right."
12:05
@qasdfdsaq We never ignore flags ;p
Sometimes it takes longer to handle them, cause we arn't sure if its the right thing.
@JourneymanGeek Some people do. I've seen mine go "aged away"
But yeah, declined, or rejected, or whatever the word is
For when flags are used wrongly. Users get a warning, then stop being able to flag if they keep making wrong flags.
Or something like that. It made me feel guilty enough to remember it anyway.
@qasdfdsaq really?
Wierd
@qasdfdsaq are you serious or are you just trolling? I can't understand why you are unable comprehend why it's not correct
@R.Doto I can't understand why you are unable to comprehend that it is correct
You've not made a single objective statement as to why it's incorrect.
(also guys... its getting a wee bit heated, and the whole topic is over something on another site. What happens in vegas should stay in vegas ._.)
12:07
@qasdfdsaq wait. Let me log onto the meta on my PC I'll provide a summary for you
Also, moderators are janitors ;p
@JourneymanGeek Yup!
Tada
@JourneymanGeek Nope. Not feeling the heat.
@R.Doto That's what she said
After poking her in the eye and saying "This doesn't hurt because opthalmology"
12:09
@qasdfdsaq ?
@R.Doto I suggest doing what JmG suggested 45 minutes ago. Write your own answe.r
@JourneymanGeek No-one ignores your flags because they see a big diamond next to them >_>
@qasdfdsaq Oh, I don't need someone to handle my flags any more
And I think I handled ~900 flags this month ;p
@qasdfdsaq heh, I got this before I got elected mod superuser.com/help/badges/121/marshal?userid=10165
12:11
@qasdfdsaq we have nerves and hence pain receptors lol. good one.
@JourneymanGeek Nice. I'm sure I could manage that one day.
I'm having second thoughts on this one. Perhaps I should have flagged it as "Off-topic" and asked for it to be migrated to Biology so R.Doto could tell people why their answers are wrong because opthalmology.
@qasdfdsaq it's off topic on biology SE
@qasdfdsaq better luck next time :)
@qasdfdsaq p.s. It's urology, not ophthalmology :) Eyes and genitals are not the same thing. ikr mind blowing
Skeletal muscles aren't eyes either, but you seem to be able to confuse those so...
@R.Doto dude. calm down please.
We do have a be nice rule here, and even if the f word is censored, it does seem a little bit like a personal attack.
@R.Doto He might be. He might even be winding you up.
Dosen't mean you need to let him.
@JourneymanGeek good point. Although, it was intended to be a personal attack haha
12:22
@qasdfdsaq aged away flags are probably close votes...
@R.Doto I'd like to assume it wasn't. In fact, I'm going to delete that. In fact, I'd warn you not to do that again ;)
Oh Reinforcements. Hai!
Heya @JourneymanGeek
Seems a lot happened while I was asleep...
@JourneymanGeek -.- To make it even worse, my flag for that answer was declined. and the answer got another up vote! !!
Oh, I missed most of the shitstorm too.
Not what one wants to wake up to.
Granted I'm running 14-16 hour sleep cycles the past few days
@JourneymanGeek the funny thing, is that both of my flags to close an answer/question get declined... for them to close it shortly afterwards?????
12:28
@R.Doto If your flag was "this is wrong" then I'm not surprised.
@R.Doto I totally can't speak for the actions of mods on other sites.
@JourneymanGeek whoa nice
@Mokubai I'll show you. give me a minute
@JourneymanGeek Sounds like a good night sleep. Any reason?
@Mokubai had a horribad cold the last two weeks, and the cough medicine I was given has psudoephidrine.
Stuff tends to knock me out.
12:31
@R.Doto "Wrong" is not a valid flag. Completely irrelevant, jabbering rubbish or spam is "not an answer"
@JourneymanGeek yowza. You on the mend now though? Had seen you were a bitquiet for a few...
@Mokubai more or less.
I'm just down to hacking up like a cat every couple of hours.
@JourneymanGeek But you're a dog!
@R.Doto I'd have declined it in exactly the same way. The decline reason is valid and we cannot "hide" answers except by deleting them.
12:36
@Mokubai what about the two below it? They were deleted for the same reason that i summarized, yet, they declined my flag?
@allquixotic that's what makes it so bad. :( One might even say its almost hairball.
@Mokubai I can't cast close votes so not sure what you mean there, it's showing two were duplicate flags, two were "unclear what you're asking" flags and one off-topic flag under my aged-away list
@Mokubai Then they should of deleted it! I quote 'an altogether wrong answer' - it was lol
@R.Doto probably should have been close votes... I don't know what the questions were
@R.Doto The TPS is wonderful, but it has no real teeth. Companies in the UK consistently ignore it (I average 2-3 calls per day). They also mostly use automated dialling (illegal) but don't provide caller ID so you can't complain. It doesn't, of course, stop offshore call centres (mostly from India judging by the accents) calling on behalf of UK companies.
Most of the calls are for "Government Funded Initiatives" for solar panels, boiler replacements and replacement windows.
@qasdfdsaq Close flags then. If you flag then " should be closed" then it puts it into review. If nothing happens then they age away after either 1 or 3 months iirc. They're not mod flags and we don't see them.
@DavidPostill Yeah but once in a while some company gets fined millions for ignoring it and other people get scared
@Mokubai Ah I see
12:40
That of course does not include the scams. I get at least 2 calls a week for a "car accident" registered to my address. I haven't owned a car for 10 years :/. When I call them out they just hang up.
you know what would be hilarious, is if they somehow trained a dog to walk like a cat (with the same gait and everything)
A snauzer might pull that off
(long legs for their size)
@DavidPostill "Which car and accident was this? I've had so many cars written off over the years in horrific accidents..."
@allquixotic Awwww!
@qasdfdsaq The biggest fine is only 200,000. They can only fine to a max of 500,000
12:42
hm
One of my ebooks isn't loading on my kindle
Works on my PC but blah
We've got a cat that acts as bit like a dog... we've trained him to "fetch" the other cat at dinner time...
@DavidPostill Ah misread the millions of calls vs. millions of fines
Still, £850,000 fine
> You can see from the video that when walking the domestic cat moves both the foreleg and hind leg on one side almost in perfect unison or together. Both left side legs go forward while at the same time both right side legs move backwards and so on.
12:45
@DavidPostil I was going to register :P I guess there would be no point then. It's ironic that their website has an invalid security certificate, also haha. They don't have multiple domains so, it must just be an out of date certificate. I don't want my details sent by HTTP.
> the person who uploaded it says that the cat has been rendered “decerebrate” for the experiment
@JourneymanGeek :(
Jokes about cats being brainless aside, that seems particularly nasty.
I didn't watch the video of the "decerebrate" cat
12:46
Is there any way to make Microsoft product phone activation less painful?
@allquixotic It's clear from the stillshot it's a black and white VHS which implies it's decades old
@OliverSalzburg don't activate over phone ;p
@OliverSalzburg You can activate by text message now
@JourneymanGeek How?
12:46
And I think you can activate by app too
@qasdfdsaq I don't see the option
that's a dog walking - it would be hilarious to see someone train a dog to walk like a cat on command
@OliverSalzburg donno, I usually end up activating normally
This is Windows Server 2008 R2
"OK, boy! Walk like a cat!" "GOOD BOY!"
12:47
@OliverSalzburg Hmm, might be only in newer versions of Windows. Not sure when I saw it recently, I think it was Windows 8.1
Ah 2008 R2 is based off Win7 I believe
So I don't think it has that option :(
@qasdfdsaq Yes
@qasdfdsaq That's a new one I didn't know about. It's good to see the fines going up. You have go to all the hastle to say your interested, wait for a call back and then complain when it's a withheld number :/
Then when they callback and you complain they say the calls are contracted out to a 3rd party... :/
Been there, done that.
The best part about the phone activation is, there are 2 phone numbers. One is toll-free, the other one isn't. And you can choose which one to call
Well, that's what you get for using 8 year old OSes
"Oh boy, Walk like an egyptian" baroo?
12:48
It is not clear to me why anyone would choose the number that will cost them money
And neither number can be called from a mobile phone
@OliverSalzburg In the UK mobile phone operators have historically charged extortionate prices for "toll free" numbers
@qasdfdsaq Doesn't that defeat the entire purpose of having a toll-free number?.
@NateKerkhofs some mobile operators are just like that.
@JourneymanGeek Isn't there some official authority you can report them to for that?
It's been recently ouwtlawed but before that, it was at the discretion of the operator
12:51
Like an Ombudsman
@NateKerkhofs ours are fairly well under heel ;p
@JourneymanGeek and mods in general, again sorry for that tangent last night
In Belgium, about 2 years ago we had another major player enter the mobile phone market
The result is that all prices just dropped spectacularly
Does anyone know what _ ++ _ does in scala ?
no, but this website does: scala-lang.org/documentation
or at least, it should know that
Well, at least I learned that you don't have to wait for the lady to finish her sentences
Lady-bot
12:55
I hope that reply was not too offensive. I know link-only answers are frowned upon, but I think in this chat room, it's better to teach someone to fish than to just smack them in the face with a salmon
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@R.Doto It doesn't matter if an answer is incorrect or not. It is still an answer. If you believe it is wrong then explain why and downvote it.
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Q: When is an answer not an answer?

user241462Whilst reviewing answers I came across an answer that was several paragraphs long and I imagine that without reading it there are those who might consider it to be ok and happily move on to the next answer in the review queue. After reading the answer I decided to flag it as not an answer, becau...

Apparently it's an Anonymous function placeholder parameter
What ever the hell that is -.-
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Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

Shog9I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

@R.Doto
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Q: How do I properly use the "Not an Answer" flag?

Robert Harvey What is the "Not an Answer" flag? What is the purpose of this flag? When should I use this flag? When should I not use this flag? Return to FAQ index See Also What is an acceptable answer?

My rule of thumb: "Is that an answer?" "NAA" :P (pronounced "nah" and standing for Not An Answer)
Are we allowed to improve such "link" answers by providing the relevant information from the link?
12:59
@DavidPostill I can't downvote :P i need a rep of 125. So I flagged it, alerting the mods that it contained incorrect info and hence, was inaccurate. I should've have explained why it was correct, with technical details. Good point.
@DavidPostill it contained absolutely no evidence either, which is the frustrating part!

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