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@Hennes: I forget who I was talking about about that.
13:21
@JourneymanGeek Please nuke spam superuser.com/questions/996923/why-sex-important-in-our-life contains a link to a NSFW image
I wonder if anyone will read my flag.
"Be specific and detailed! Minimum ten characters"
"It's porn."
You can nuke the user as well for a NSFW avatar superuser.com/users/518684/malvika-adhikari ;)
@DavidPostill Ech, she's wearing clothes
Some workplaces women dress like that
In a lot of workplaces that is still offensive ;)
@qasdfdsaq I suppose if you work in a massage parlour ...
Or a modelling agency ...
@qasdfdsaq: Nope.
I just deleted the user ;p
13:26
@JourneymanGeek Thanks ;)
and lol
Not really handling flags at the moment
I got a pretty good haul of books...
;p
Do users with >10k rep get to see deleted porn?
Interesting. So spam and stuff isn't actually deleted, just hidden to mere mortals
Nothing like teaching 5 year olds how to do addition and algebra at the same time.
13:28
So how big an archive of spam and porn does SU have then?
Unless I edit the post, then get a CM to redact the edit.
Actually?
This is the first time its happened.
Well on my watch anyway
The authors of this study suggest that a drug that inhibits this anandamide-degrading enzyme might be a treatment for people with social impairment disorders. Conveniently, they have patented just such a drug.
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@qasdfdsaq Not user accounts
@Bob Hmm. The deleted questions FAQ page doesn't make a distinction between reasons for deletion though
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@qasdfdsaq We don't usually get blatant porn posts.
And that's why they introduced the change to have posts marked as spam/offensive hidden by default to 10kers unless we click revision history.
@qasdfdsaq 10kers can only see deleted questions and answers
And only if they have a direct link to the question
13:33
Well this wasn't that blatant.
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Not user accounts.
lemme see if I can find a spam post
If a user account is deleted its deleted
Even we can't see its status
@Bob Wait do you mean "deleted user accounts" or "normal user accounts don't see deleted questions"
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Oh the one JMG deleted wasn't spam/offensive-marked
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13:34
@qasdfdsaq I mean 10kers can't see deleted user accounts
@Bob: it was
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Apparently mods can't either
Now I really want to get to 10K rep to see SU's secret porn stash!
13:34
But typically when we delete stuff its spammer accounts.
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@JourneymanGeek You sure? I don't see the normal link to revision history.
You will be surprised
Really blatant porn posts would be an embedded image (not a link) and be full on in your face, not that topless nude picture with her parts hidden
@Bob: 4-5 spam flags
one other.
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@JourneymanGeek Odd.
13:35
@qasdfdsaq: you can't embed images with less than 10 rep
The "Other" was probably mine.
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Normally a single spam/offensive flag triggers the post-hiding.
@qasdfdsaq has to be speeecial
@qasdfdsaq correct
What? It was in need of moderator intervention!
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@qasdfdsaq The link in the question itself is rather more explicit than the profile image.
13:36
The "Spam" flag didn't apply in my view: "Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation"
It wasn't promoting any product or service.
@qasdfdsaq there's probably a reason that new users can't directly post images...
@Mokubai Hijacked accounts?
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@qasdfdsaq Spam/offensive flags are special. Automatic -1 and marks post as hidden after deletion, not to mention carries harsher user penalties.
The offensive or rude flag would have worked
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@qasdfdsaq I like you :P
13:37
@Bob :D
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(I see spam/offensive flags misused too much. IMO only for blatant promotion without being relevant. I'd rather comment-warn useful self-promotion.)
Although if the post was promoting the woman in the picture as a product or service, it wasn't very clear about that.
@qasdfdsaq Are surprisingly rare, at least I've never seen one...
I suppose "Rude or inappropriate" would have worked.
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@qasdfdsaq They actually changed the flag text. So it's less obvious now.
13:38
Though most of the details page on that refers to textual discourse, rather than inappropriate imagery
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But it still implies the same: exists only to promote.
@Bob Oh? What did it previously to say?
@Bob: yeah
> Also, this is not a dating site.
Do people actually need to be told this?
Apparently yes.
13:40
lol
Stuff happens
Usually involving people from mumble mumble who have really warped sense of boundries and mumble mumble and WHY YOU DO THIS SO EMBARASSING
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@qasdfdsaq Can't recall the exact phrasing.
Howww????
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But the gist of it was if the 'spam' is actually a potentially-useful answer then it's not really 'spam'
Question: "I'm a smart, non-crippled adult male and here's my profile, does anyone want to date me?"
Answer: "Yes, because.... <insert genital picture>"
Would be interesting if you could upvote and downvote people on dating sites.
What's all the hype around Fall Out 4?
Trailer Feles like HL2
Is it that good ?
13:42
@Bob I see
Its fallout 4.
@HackToHell Eh, Fallout just has some very loyal fans
Also, it has a dog.
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@qasdfdsaq bit busy right now, but it's probably on meta
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Q: I somehow renamed my Music folder to Pictures, How to chamge back to Music

Tommy5016I'm running Windows 10 64bit with an SSD as the boot device. I was trying to link a music folder on an HDD that is my files drive since the SSD is only 250 Gbyte. I got confused and somehow renamed the music file to a second Pictures file. I can't change the name of the folder back to Music. ...

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13:53
@qasdfdsaq Not the exact text, but still useful advice:
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Q: What are the spam and offensive flags, and how do they work?

KipWhen flagging, there are two special case options: spam and offensive. What is spam, and when should I flag content as such? What is considered offensive content? How does the spam flag differ from the offensive flag? What is the effect of these special flags? Is there any way to remove these f...

Something worth considering is how we look at spam
I always ask myself if this is a real person
If so, they get a suspension or a warning
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Key point: unsolicited advertisement
If its a bot. I shake the hell out of it and bury it.
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If the answer is relevant but recommends a product the user may be affiliated with, that's not necessarily unsolicited -- if they genuinely believe it will help.
=> that's where you comment to let them know we require disclosure of affiliation
See I did it right!
13:56
If they've just come on and spammed every question they can find with their product, then that is spam.
What makes something spam and when should I flag it?

A post should be marked as spam ONLY when it contains an unsolicited advertisement.

It should NOT be marked as spam when:

The answer contains no useful information, such as an answer that says "I don't care about your problem". Flag an answer as 'not an answer' instead; **if you find a weird non-question, then flag it 'for moderator attention' with a custom explanation.**
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Unsolicited advertisement is more like completely irrelevant.
@Mokubai It wasn't an advert or product, just a random unexplained link to a naked woman on imgur
> if you find a weird non-question, then flag it 'for moderator attention' with a custom explanation.
See, I use the flag for moderator attention and put "It's porn." as the explanation.
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@qasdfdsaq Yea, that one could potentially fall under "offensive"
Which includes "NSFW" on the main site.
True but:
> Spam flags provide data for spam-filtering, and offensive flags similarly provide data for anti-trolling measures.
I'd guess offensive is for posts that actually have useful content of some sort but have offensive parts.
Rather than complete random gibberish (and a naked woman)
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14:00
@Mokubai IMO, which does differ from the official SE stance apparently, as long as each individual answer is a good answer to the question and doesn't promote purely for the sake of promoting then it doesn't really matter if the user only ever answers questions in that field.
@qasdfdsaq Nah, those should be edited and the user warned.
Offensive flags, like spam flags, are the nuclear option.
@Mokubai I find the 'requirement' to answer non-related questions odd.
The meta post says "The spam flag is designed to eliminate posts with no relevant content and to penalize the authors" but doesn't say the same thing about "offensive".
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Not everyone has a diverse set of knowledge.
Plus isn't it a moderator's job to warn users? Seeing as I can't.
The post in question was a question not an answer.
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If someone knows a lot about one field and only ever answers about that one? Sure!
14:02
It was neither a question nor an answer. I stand by my explanation.
"It's porn."
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If they mention their product in most answers (with disclosure) but the answers are otherwise excellent? Not exactly ideal, but not too bad.
Well OK it was phrased with a questionmark somewhere in the sentence but seriously, it wasn't an actual question
@Bob Seen someone around here lately like that. His/her name ends with _wd and they seem to answer a lot of questions about WD drives
No disclosure in comments/answers/profile but I guess the _WD in the name makes it pretty obvious
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@qasdfdsaq If it's questions about their product, even better, IMO.
I mean, it's bad if they tell people to use SU as an official support channel.
But if they just answer questions that happen to be posted here, sure!
It happens a lot on SO too.
@qasdfdsaq offensive does have a vaguely similar effect from what I've seen, may not be quite as harsh though
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Employees of the company should know the most about their products, and are in the best position to answer questions specifically regarding their products.
14:04
@Mokubai Yeah, they seem to have the same counters/thresholds/effects. Just not implied to be "totally useless" post.
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That actually happened to one of my SO questions :P
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A: How can I send remote commands to an AppServer programmatically?

Mei SwankMy name is Mei Swank. I am a Progress OpenEdge Technical Support Manager and am not happy to hear your experience with our team on this topic was not positive. We are working to address this. To answer your question whether there is a way to remotely manage an Appserver without installing the ...

@Bob Judging by my experience with most companies' support, that's a bit of a... ahem
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@qasdfdsaq Eh, I'm assuming the answers are otherwise good.
The wd people are reasonably cool, we have spoken to them but if they start posting non answers then we will deal
@Bob FLAGGED for being unhappy!
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14:05
i.e. they'd still be good answers even if they were totally anonymous.
If they're just crappy form responses... yea. No.
I hate the overzealous autocorrect on this samsung phone
@Bob Looks like that's the only answer that person ever posted
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@qasdfdsaq In that case, yea. I'm actually kinda amazed they found it but they're probably monitoring the tag.
@Bob Maybe someone knew someone who knew someone who told someone?
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@qasdfdsaq Well, we did go through the official support channel first but I don't think we ever told them I'd be posting on SO.
14:09
(If someone comes across stuff written about our company on social media, websites, forums, etc. at home they often shared to those who it concerns)
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I wonder if the guy we were in contact with ended up googling it and found that question.
That would be... amusing.
Bah, the job which might start previous Monday is cancelled.
No need to mention anything about timing, is there?
@Hennes Friday Friday gotta get down on Friday?
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@qasdfdsaq I want to flag that as offensive :P
I suspect there is a reference in there.
14:12
:(
Black Friday?
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@Hennes Be glad you don't recognise it.
That is the day where you are glad you shopped a month earlier
Wait now I'm really confused
It is involves adds or shopping, assume I missed it.
my comment or yours?
14:15
yes
!! ni
!! no
@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: no
@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ;p
!!;p
Yes I did
14:15
@JourneymanGeek Yes I YABADABADOOOOOO! (source)
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!!help learn
@Bob learn: Teaches me a command. /learn cmdName outputPattern [inputRegex [description]]
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!!learn "ni" "<>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg" ".*" "We are the knights who say ni!"
@Bob Illegal /learn object; see /help learn
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o.O
!!learn ni "<>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg" ".*" "We are the knights who say ni!"
14:18
@Bob Command ni learned
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!!ni
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!!help ni
@Bob ni: User-taught command: .* <>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg
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!!info ni
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@Bob Command ni, created by Bob on Fri, 06 Nov 2015 14:20:48 GMT, invoked 1 times
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description fail
Well the description is clearly useful
@qasdfdsaq Command rr learned
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@qasdfdsaq You don't need the regex part usually
I'm just trying to add a desc
...brb reading bot source
@qasdfdsaq Also I recognise that URL! LOL
@Bob ;) Many experienced internet users do
Hence why I hid it
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Q: Cpu running half speed

AtrahasisWhile playing a game few hours ago I noticed my computer suddenly became incredibly slow. The windows task manager showed that the cpu was using half its capabilities. I have been playing this game since 4 years, with this same 4 years-old laptop, and it had never happened before. I have to menti...

^^And this is why I have no faith at all in "customer support"
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14:24
@qasdfdsaq eh, you just need to get past the script-monkeys
@Bob We call those people "ops" not "support"
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!!learn ni <>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg ".*" "We are the knights who say ni!"
@Bob Command ni already exists
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!!forget ni
@Bob Command ni forgotten.
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14:25
!!learn ni ">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg ".*" "We are the knights who say ni!"
@Bob Command ni learned
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whoops. shit
!!forget ni
@Bob Command ni forgotten.
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!!learn ni <>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg .* "We are the knights who say ni!"
@Bob Command ni learned
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!!help ni
@Bob ni: User-taught command: We are the knights who say ni! <>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg
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Yay!
Disk swap complete
and damn, forgot to check boot times before the swap.
0_0
14:33
@JourneymanGeek ?
I'm not sure yet but I'm seeing better sequencial write speeds on the R61 than on my desktop
Nice.
I'll screenshot it in a bit once its done
^^ Hah, apparently that's the price gouging drug company CEO
You can really tell he's a super nice guy, right?
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New gravatar again :D
Hm... not really enough contrast to work...
Curious.
Before and after (Before was with a 160gb fujitsu hard drive, latter is with the el cheapo chinese SSDs. Looks like the sata 2 is the bottleneck, but the write speed is wierd)
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@JourneymanGeek Try the updated CDM.
IIRC they optimised the tests for SSDs.
@Bob: I thought this was the current version ;p
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@JourneymanGeek 5.x
14:48
@Bob: joy.
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@JourneymanGeek ...which cost about the same as a cheap-ish SanDisk or Patriot SSD :P
SATA-2? SATA-2 should be 300MB/sec. And a Core 2 laptop shouldn't have it
Hi, any vim users here? Can vim search use regex-s?
> vim users here?
BLASPHEMY
@Bob: meh. Science.
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14:50
@qasdfdsaq :(
superuser seemed to have some vim questions also... and the vim chat is really inactive
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@Shepherd vim search by default is regex search
(and no, I wouldn't buy one of these things in future XD)
@bob
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type /pattern (/ followed by the regex pattern)
14:51
@Bob OpenWRT can't fit vim :(
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type / without a pattern to reuse the last one (i.e. go to the next result)
type ? or ?pattern to search upwards
@Bob but it seems that asterisk metacharacter seemed to not work
e.g. if I do "/a*b"
it doesn't find all lines, where there is an "a" followed by a "b"
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@Shepherd That should work.
@Shepherd That does not match the pattern you provided.
Your pattern searches for zero or more as followed by one b
If you want one or more as followed by one b you need a+b
@Shepherd You're regex'ing it wrong.
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hi
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14:54
If you want an a followed by a b within a line, with other characters allowed in between you need a.*b
@Bob yeah I guess my regex was wrong, but I want to find a - variable number of characters - b
and a+b also doesn't accomplish that
@bob ah ok ill try that
And another XY problem solved.
I wonder if I can regex in busybox vi
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@Shepherd If "variable number of characters" are all a, i.e. any number of as then you need + (one or more) or * (zero or more). If you want to include characters other than a then you need something else.
* only repeats the single previous character (or character class, or group)
vim pattern matching is documented here: vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/pattern.html
it's not PCRE, btw
@Bob ok, thanks, that makes sense
Dammit.
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14:58
@qasdfdsaq eww :P
@Bob Lowest common denominator.
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I keep forgetting. Do you guys have rules against asking questions in here?
Vi on most routers, phones, and other embedded devices is usually busybox.
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@qasdfdsaq Wait, is this blasphemy for assuming there are non-vim users, or blasphemy for assuming there are vim users?
@qasdfdsaq I don't like vi much.
@Bob It's blasphemy to use vim
People like me have learnt to use vi without the m.
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14:59
I'm fairly late to the CLI-editor game and vi doesn't like my notion of keyboard navigation
(Also it's not like I can install custom software on my server out-of-band controller...)
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emacs master race
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@Ell get out.
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;)
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(I kid, I kid.)
14:59
Emacs does have more "normal" keyboard navigation

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