Root Access

Bob

13:00

@qasdfdsaq Looks like the ATX12V spec takes care of power supplies.

Journeyman Geek

Its also a specific physical formfactor.

Bob

Including things like extra PCIe power, the 24-pin mobo connector, etc..

I haven't actually read the spec, so not sure what it requires, but I'd expect modern supplies to at least implement enough of a bare minimum to work on most machines :P

Don't think I've ever seen a PSU quote a specific version of the spec though.

Hm. looking at the aliexpress thing now

...ignition switch. I see

qasdfdsaq

@HackToHell Ooh Niiiiiice

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Squatting toilets are supposedly more hygienic and provides a much better body posture for pooping.

@Bob Most supplies implement enough to get away with the bits they don't implement (like, most fail the hold-up time requirements)

Bob

13:07

> 20pin ATX main power connector.

Waiiiit... is that all?

qasdfdsaq

Decent supplies are well well within the voltage ranges and ripple limits

It's very rare to find a supply fall outside the voltage or ripple limits - either very bad supplies or heavy crossloads

@Bob It's basically designed for an embedded car computer. MiniITX Atom board or NUC type thing

Bob

(and don't modern mobos require 24-pin and an additional CPU connector?)

Calling it ATX is a pretty massive stretch :P

qasdfdsaq

Not for a 5w CPU...

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Ah... I see.

qasdfdsaq

Oh god not TDPs again

ducks

Bob

13:09

@qasdfdsaq Yea, I've never dealt with finding power supplies for embedded procs.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: its meant for seriously low power PCs

IE, complete shite

Bob

Do mini-ITX even take "standard" 20-pin ATX?

Journeyman Geek

Its 'atx' cause its an atx connector

yup

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Or y'know, something that is only needed to switch radio channels and display a GPS map

Bob

Guess there's some kind of adapter

qasdfdsaq

13:09

Or play MP3s

Journeyman Geek

Actually they all use the same plugs

qasdfdsaq

Once you get smaller than MiniITX boards often just take a 12v DC barrel connector and have on-board DC-DC connectors.

Journeyman Geek

yup

qasdfdsaq

One of my server motherboards has an ATX-24-pin connector but says in the manual it's fine if you just plug in an ATX-20-pin.

It also has a 8-pin CPU connector but also says you can just plug in a 4-pin into it

Journeyman Geek

Most of them now are 20+4?

qasdfdsaq

13:11

(Nice board if you ask me :-P)

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, they just double up

qasdfdsaq

Allowed me to use my 10-year-old supply in my server

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, seen that. Never seen one I'd have to wire up myself.

Actually, do modern embedded x86 CPUs need 12V?

Journeyman Geek

"modern"?

Not sure

My atom 230 did

qasdfdsaq

No CPUs ever needed 12v themselves

Journeyman Geek

13:12

>_>

qasdfdsaq

It's just easier to feed in 12v to the motherboard's voltage converters.

Journeyman Geek

Clarify that please ;p

Oh, that

qasdfdsaq

Y'know, resistive heat dissipation and all that. Higher voltage = less current so easier PCB routing

Journeyman Geek

ahh

qasdfdsaq

No technical reason you couldn't build a mainboard that powered the CPU off the 3.3v rails. CPUs run off <2v anyway

Journeyman Geek

13:14

internally

qasdfdsaq

(Even 2v is excessively high for a modern CPU but I'm counting >10 year old clunkers here as well)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq True... they take some 1.5-2V (on the internal voltage regulator) apparently

qasdfdsaq

A current generation i7 chip is around 1-1.5v at full speeds

Journeyman Geek

how much current tho?

Makes sense to feed low current, and step em up

qasdfdsaq

Lower speeds (Core M/Atom/etc) are sub 1-volt in normal operation

Bob

13:15

@qasdfdsaq Broadwell Core M is apparently 1.6 - 1.84 operating voltage

1.5 - 1.65 idle

qasdfdsaq

Haswell (and broadwell) are the odd one out as far as modern generations are concerned.

Bob

Unless I misread that one too :P

qasdfdsaq

In that Intel temporarily experimented with moving the voltage regulator from the motherboard to the CPU

Journeyman Geek

Prolly cause they are pivoting for power again

ahh

that went bad no?

qasdfdsaq

So the motherboard feeds the CPU 1.8v, and the CPU steps it down to the ~1.0v or so the die actually needs

They've gone back on that though, so those two generations were just a blip.

Most processors both before and after will have the mainboard feed the fully stepped-down voltage directly to the CPU - and this means very high currents. Apparently about 40% (or was it 70) of the 1000+ pins on the CPU package are dedicated to power delivery

The FIVR (fully-integrated [on-chip] voltage regulator) was an interesting one as it supposedly allowed Intel more fine grained and faster control of power delivery, meaning more efficiency, faster response, etc.

Bob

13:19

@qasdfdsaq Do you know why?

qasdfdsaq

Apparently they removed it because the heat density on modern chips was just getting way too high - and the FIVR just made it worse.

Course there's rumours they're going to re-introduce it again: wccftech.com/intel-ice-lake-return-fvir-wip

Bob

o.O

qasdfdsaq

overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/…

> HardwareLuxx also states the Intel will be moving to again use FIVR on future CPUs after Skylake and Kaby lake with their future Ice Lake CPUs.

> We do not know why Intel may be planning to move back to using FIVR, but it could be for greater CPU efficiency or simply becouse they have rectified the thermal issues which were present with Haswell.

In my personal opinion they should have just kept it on low-power/mobile chips and dropped it for desktop and enthusiast processors.

After all, power efficiency is more important than overclocking capability in a laptop, and vice versa in an enthusiast desktop.

My personal claim to fame was when I fed something in the region of 200 amps through my CPU.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ex-CPU?

Journeyman Geek

did it catch fire?

qasdfdsaq

13:23

Cooling that thing was a bitch

Nah it still works. Selling it on Ebay soon.

Journeyman Geek

I've not blown up any CPUs

PSUs, sure.

qasdfdsaq

I've never blown up any anythings tbh.

Even the PSU that I caused to catch fire worked fine afterwards.

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

Kept using it for another 4 years or so

Bob

I don't experiment enough to blow anything up, thankfully

qasdfdsaq

13:30

@Bob It wasn't an experiment

Leathe

huh. I was pretty sure that answer was going to be an audit, but it wasn't

-1

A: The '¤' character

This is called a "pillow" and is used, at least, in some Global Distribution Systems for the Travel Industry. Source: I work in the Travel Industry.

Dave

13:48

Morning

Leathe

oh dear. now I actually got an audit.

Dave

We use pillow characters in the travel industry, I'm a dba for that industry

leathe: wonder if we work for the same company

lol

Leathe

but what does it meaaaaan?

¤¤¤

Dave

its just a delimiter

Leathe

oh

well, that's boring :P

qasdfdsaq

13:50

It's for you to sleap on!

Leathe

anyhow. gotta go home ->

qasdfdsaq

Can't you see the comfy body-conforming shape of the lovely ¤?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq looks... pointy

Dave

GDS sends us this crap all the time

Dave

14:07

we get ¤ characters and also ‡ characters

Bob

@Dave what happened to good ol' commas? :(

Or structured data...

Journeyman Geek

Not enterprise enough?

Dave

lol not sure :( I think its gds related which we dont have control over.

we just get data from it

Journeyman Geek

gds?

Dave

Global Distribution System

A global distribution system (GDS) is a network operated by a company that enables automated transactions between third parties and booking agents in order to provide travel-related services to the end consumers. A GDS can link services, rates and bookings consolidating products and services across all three travel sectors: i.e., airline reservations, hotel reservations, car rentals, and activities. GDS is different from a computer reservations system, which is a reservation system used by the respective vendors. Primary customers of GDS are travel agents (both online and office-based) to make...

Journeyman Geek

14:19

Ahh

Journeyman Geek

14:41

tech.slashdot.org/story/15/11/03/1337254/…

@allquixotic ^ ;p

Bob

O.O

Dave

wait need to make it @qasdfdsaq

Journeyman Geek

(@allquixotic and I have a running joke over my OS/2 VM and screenshots from it)

Dave

2

@qasdfdsaq ^^^^

Hennes

I see this and the first thing I think is "ah, the VLC team'

2

Dave

14:56

Thats awesome, i actually thought those were real traffic cones for a second.

Sathya

@Bob because you asked, youtube.com/watch?v=dKkryfdtMNQ

qasdfdsaq

@Dave WTF?!

Dave

haha morning

conference call! bbl

qasdfdsaq

I hope that's a photoshop

Journeyman Geek

15:32

I'd bet my tail on that, but there's not much tail to bet.

marcusdoesstuff

@Bob Haha, just saw your squat toilet post.

@Bob If you squat with your weight on your heels rather than your toes (like you should if you do a squat in the gym) then it should work great... I know a lot of people don't have the hip flexibility for that though.

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/a/895546/10165 this is my best chance of getting a reversal badge.

(also, I have a bad habit of slipping in memes into answers when people do dumb stuff)

qasdfdsaq

15:51

Oh geez, he's stuffing copper into the mains side?!

I was thinking on the DC-Laptop port, where it's mostly harmless.

Journeyman Geek

yuuuup

If I pull out the animated cat gifs....

qasdfdsaq

It just feels wrong without the sound though :(

Journeyman Geek

Can't embed videos ;p

allquixotic

!!tell 25131862 no

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

16:00

;p

allquixotic

!!info nonononono

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command nonononono does not exist.

allquixotic

!!learn nonononono <>https://i.sstatic.net/KIc7Q.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command nonononono learned

allquixotic

!!nonononono

ChatBot John Cavil

16:03

Bob

@marcusdoesstuff ...I'll stick with the ones I can sit on :P

@qasdfdsaq You can get the same posture by raising your feet on a normal one anyway.

...wait, how did we start discussing toilets?

2

Journeyman Geek

THere's this ad...

This Unicorn Changed the Way I Poop - #SquattyPotty

►

allquixotic

@Bob because you were playing Saints Row III?

Bob

@allquixotic Nah, that was last year :P

@JourneymanGeek Oh god.

Don't even need to click through -_-

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

16:16

@JourneymanGeek The worst part of that ad is it makes me want ice cream for some reason O_O

Journeyman Geek

lol

Hennes

@bob Did the discussion go ....... down the drain ?

Bob

@Hennes You're a couple hours too late to make that joke :P

Hennes

Weirdly enough that makes me glad.

qasdfdsaq

16:29

@Bob Ermm, not unless you squat on it

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hm? Wasn't the idea that you're in a almost-squat position while not really putting weight on your feet?

oh god there's a wikipedia article on this...

allquixotic

funny that in the US countryside, common slang is "gonna go take a squat" for going to the loo, but since the western standard is sitting, in most cases they're not going to squat at all :P

@Bob nopenopenope, do not want this in my search history

Journeyman Geek

And questions on travel ;p

Bob

@qasdfdsaq The selling point of the product in the ad JMG linked is allowing you a squat posture on a sitting toilet (by raising your feet in front of it).

Journeyman Geek

242

Q: OK we're all adults here, so really, how on earth should I use a squat toilet?

OK so for anyone that's travelled beyond North America and Western Europe you know what I'm talking about. Left: Romania, last year. Right: Turkey, last night. They start popping up in the Balkans and of course they're everywhere by the time you get to Turkey and become totally unavoidable no ...

Hennes

16:34

Seen that post before. It answered a lot of never before answered points.
(at least for me)

Also, I am not right handed

Journeyman Geek

Oh, cultural thing

we eat with our right hands, wash with our left

even if you're a leftie

Hennes

The big question gets skipped though: How do I go to the toilet to get some peace and quiet. Just to sit down and read a book.

I tend to use whichever hand it free

Which really confuses people during sports (e.g. swap left/right every turn during squash)

Bob

Ambidextrous?

Or left-handed but kinda adapted?

HackToHell

Facebook messenger seems to be down

Hennes

Not rwally sure.

Journeyman Geek

16:43

Can't read on a squattie

Hennes

I started writing left handed, but the teacher used a ruler to 'correct' that into unreadable right handed writing

Journeyman Geek

sounds typical

Bob

Ouch

Journeyman Geek

I had that happen too

well not a ruler

but I was born a leftie, but forced to be a rightie

Hennes

My left handed writing now is very crude and slow

Only used when I have a phone in my right hand and I need to write down some numbers.

Bob

16:45

So more "learned" ambidextrousness (ambidextrousity?)

Journeyman Geek

oh

it kinda messed up my sense of left and right

and apparently contributed to dyslexia

Bob

:(

qasdfdsaq

@Bob OOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh yay, Unsung hero badge

All my good answers that I put lots of time into get zero votes! Yay!

Bob

@qasdfdsaq o.O

That's a rare one.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yeah only a couple people a month get it. Yay?

I dunno if it's a good or bad thing

Bob

16:53

lol

qasdfdsaq

Certainly can't be helping my rep, but on the other hand having anything with "Hero" in the name is a good thing

Bob

I suppose that means you have decent answers but not particularly amazing, or the questions you answer aren't that interesting to passers-by -- and are asked by low-rep users who actually know how to accept but don't have the rep to upvote.

qasdfdsaq

Pretty much, most are very specific ones from new users.

If it's interesting to a wide audience it's usually answered long before I get to them.

Or even asked and answered before I joined the site

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hey, at least you have the badge now! :P

Can always get more rep later, but once you have a bunch of answers (and rep) getting that badge becomes... difficult.

HackToHell

What Foreigners Think of Indian English | 인도식 영어에 대한 외국인들의 반응 | インド製英語をクイズしてみた

►

Bob

16:59

o.O

Of 377 answers I have a grand total of 13 zero-score accepted

qasdfdsaq

RACIST PIGS

Bob

And 50 11 zero-score non-accepted answers.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I have 14 (out of 132)... 16 if you count the two with -1 score

Not sure how to show the details without counting them by hand though

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Wait, how does that satisfy 25%?

HackToHell

@Dave cool

Bob

17:01

@qasdfdsaq Stack Exchange Data Explorer

@qasdfdsaq Here, I just wrote this one => data.stackexchange.com/superuser/query/384366/…

Wait, it says you have 13... lemme just make sure it works :P

qasdfdsaq

Oh hey our nas that's broken is an Atom

13, 14, meh, I may have miscounted

Bob

HackToHell has 12. Seems to work.

Oh, you got the badge five days ago.

HackToHell

I did?

Bob

Hmm... still wouldn't be 25% though.

shrug

@HackToHell was referring to qasdfdsaq -- just used you as a test :P

HackToHell

Ahh, right :D

qasdfdsaq

17:05

I only have 49 accepted answers

It seems to be 25% of accepted answers, not total

Also not sure why it took me 10 tries to get my userid right :-/

Bob

Oh.

Yea, that would explain it.

qasdfdsaq

People seem to have trouble "accepting" my elitist "Holier than thou" attitude.

Bob

I have 183 accepted total.

So... 7%.

Yea, not happening anytime soon, 'specially since I don't really answer much these days.

qasdfdsaq

Christ, how the hell does this Atom machine have a fan that's literally louder than my vacuum

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Eh. Brings back (deafening) memories of rackmount servers :P

qasdfdsaq

17:08

@Bob Modern rackmount servers are quieter than this thing

Bob

o.O

qasdfdsaq

Modern rackmount servers have automatic fan control and don't run at full speed usually

This thing seems to have broken fan control and is spinning a large server-class fan at full speed.

allquixotic

o.o I have zero, zero-score accepted answers

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Holy cow

Then again I could create a new account and go round upvoting all my own zero-score answers >_>

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Oh, I meant at full speed (usually on startup).

@qasdfdsaq ...annnnnnd banned :P

qasdfdsaq

17:10

I'm impressed I have two negative-score accepted answers though

@Bob That typically doesn't last long though. Even the 5+ year old PowerEdge ones will startup with the fans at 50% and spin down within a few seconds. The only time it runs at 100% is if you run it with the cover off

Bob

I have no negatively-scored posts at all... I tend not to attract downvotes, barring serial voting :\

@qasdfdsaq Yea, but that basically provided my clearest memories of "wow, that's a loud fan". So that's my mental benchmark for 'loud' now :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I guess you never pissed off Ramhound

Oh hey what a coincidence

This Atom board is so old it only has a 20-pin ATX connector and no ATX12V CPU connector

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I've pissed a couple people off in comments. Some auto-reversed serial voting, one case of extended carefully-manipulated voting (that got around the auto-reversal) that was eventually manually corrected.

@qasdfdsaq More a case of low-power than old?

Hennes

Atom and old? Weird ?

Bob

24-pin was introduced some half a decade before Atom.

Hennes

17:15

The extra power was needed for the insane P-4's

And afterwards.

Bob

CPU 4-pin was in ATX12V 1.0, released 2000.

Yea, around P4 time.

24-pin primary connector was in ATX12V 2.0, released 2003.

> The six-pin AUX connector from ATX12V 1.x was removed because the extra 3.3 V and 5 V circuits which it provided are now incorporated in the 24-pin main connector.

> Before the Pentium 4, processors were generally powered from the 5 V rail. Later processors operate at much lower voltages, typically around 1 V and some draw over 100 A. It is infeasible to provide power at such low voltages and high currents from a standard system power supply, so the Pentium 4 established the practice of generating it with a DC-to-DC converter on the motherboard next to the processor, powered by the 4-pin 12 V connector.

Huh. Never knew they didn't have that before.

qasdfdsaq

What about EPS12V

Yeah older CPUs were ran off 3.3v and 5.0v rails. Some more thorough review sites still test modern CPUs with Pentium-3 style crossloads

Bob

@qasdfdsaq What about it?

(I didn't actually know what it was until about 30 seconds ago :P)

qasdfdsaq

You didn't mention it and I wanted to know things :(

Bob

My experience with server-grade power supplies can be summed up as "Is the light on the back on? Ok, good. Wait, DRAC is reporting errors? calls support Wait, there's upgradeable firmware for PSUs?!"

qasdfdsaq

17:23

Ah back to the good old "Stick it on your tongue" method of checking CMOS batteries

Yep. Still works.

@Bob Yep! Impressive how good the integration is on big-vendor rack servers

There's upgradeable firmware for the drive bays too!

Bob

That PSU firmware upgrade was a rather nervewracking experience.

qasdfdsaq

I really like Dell's auto-updater which does everything automatically. Can take a good hour or so though if you haven't done it lately.

Bob

Sure, let's wait up to 30 mins for the damn thing to upgrade one PSU, and ignore what others have said about the upgrade bricking their PSUs.

Bricking. Their. PSUs.

qasdfdsaq

Eh, that's why you fit servers with redundant PSUs

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, which means another 30 mins to wait :P

qasdfdsaq

17:25

We had a triple PSU failure in some box the other week. Without a firmware update

allquixotic

data.stackexchange.com/superuser/query/384389/…

Bob

On the plus side, the whole 4-hour replacement / 24/7 support thing :P

Dave

@HackToHell, my response to blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes can be summarized by the following statement "Hi, we're microsoft, and yes, today were going to go into your one drive storage.. and look at your private life, and then rant about it on the internet because you trust us with your privacy"

allquixotic

528 answers. 245 accepted. 55 where someone else's answer is accepted. 228 where the OP did not accept any answer

HackToHell

@Dave Well they do sorta offer good amount of storage :D

Dave

17:27

Reasons why Ill never put garbage in microsofts cloud.

Bob

Mine is 196/66 others/115 none.

Relatively high accept rate apparently.

@qasdfdsaq We proooobably should do that sometime.

It's been a real pain trying to get the thing working though.

Lifecycle Management Controller or summat

qasdfdsaq

@Bob It's quite nice. Basically run a single command on Linux and it'll detect, download, update, and verify just about everything

Oh yeah, the lifecycle controller has a firmware update too

They even provide direct firmware updates for the SAS drives (provided you purchased Dell drives with the chassis)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Ah, yea, you see... the issues with running free ESXi with Windows VMs...

qasdfdsaq

Everything.

Bob

(did I mention this is a rather small business?)

Which I'll be leaving soon-ish shrug

qasdfdsaq

17:30

Boot live CD => Run command => Done. Relax. Make a coffee.

=> Have second-line support's number handy in case it b0rks

"4 hour business critical? Sure let me get that sent out to ... Oh sorry we don't have the part in this country..."

Bob

A pre-download would help but I never did figure out that tool-whose-name-I-can't-remember.

Because "business-grade" ADSL2+ is still painfully slow.

allquixotic

well now that OneDrive sucks, I'm even more glad I never went with them and used Google Drive instead

I have about 1 MB of stuff on OneDrive from trying it once

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Oh. Yeah.

Sorry to hear that -_-

I guess I take auto-updates for granted on our dual-gigabit fibre

@allquixotic Meh, still the same for us. Had 1TB before, still going to have 1TB after.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hey, I'm told that there's going to be some form of FTTP/FTTN/whatever available in the office soon. (see: australia, NBN)

qasdfdsaq

Magic it yourself!

I love building community-run wireless links

Bob

17:35

We were actually looking at symmetrical 20Mb before they told us NBN would roll out there soon.

Not that that would've been much faster for downloading updates.

qasdfdsaq

Where's the nearest place that can get gigabit?

Bob

@allquixotic Eh... I still haven't really decided but I'm leaning towards OneDrive.

@qasdfdsaq Probably the local big datacentre.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Distance/line of sight?

Bob

Uhhhh

I'll get back to you on that...

(read: I haven't the foggiest)

qasdfdsaq

Roughly? 1 mile? 100 miles?

OVER 9000 miles?

Bob

17:37

@qasdfdsaq First thing about Sydney is that it's rather sparse compared to many other major cities

qasdfdsaq

In Sydney proper? Yikes.

Yeah digging your own fibre isn't going to be feasible then, nor is trailing it across a field :-P

Took me three attempts to get the Onedrive page to load: blog.onedrive.com/onedrive_changes

allquixotic

@Bob after they dramatically cut space offerings across their service? really?

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic No change on our service...

It's crap for people who are paying though

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Some 4.5km from office to nearest Equinix DC as the crow flies.

qasdfdsaq

Free users, meh. Free lunch wasn't going to last forever.

Bob

17:40

@allquixotic I have an Office 365 subscription.

I still get 1 TB. Which is what I was originally promised anyway -- first I heard of unlimited was today.

Not that I'd ever use nearly that much on this connection.

qasdfdsaq

Also OneDrive for Business is the only one of the major providers approved from a data protection perspective.

Bob

DropBox basic only gives you 2 GB anyway.

I have some 50 GB from a promotion that'll expire in about a year.

Drive... to be honest, I'd prefer to avoid Google wherever possible.

The whole YouTube/G+ fiasco has left me with a very bad taste.

And it screwed me over quite recently too.

Apart from that, Drive storage is shared with GMail and I'm already using 2 GB there, of 15. I'll save the rest for my emails I never delete :P

@allquixotic Basically, for the same price I'm already paying for the MS Office suite (w/ 5 installs) and 1 TB per user, I can get 1 TB on either DropBox or Drive. Doesn't really sound like a bargain, does it?

@qasdfdsaq I could pay a few thousand to get them to run it out.

checks oh wait we're outside the service area.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Eh. If only I could do that at home.

Our national incumbent telecoms provider introduced a scheme where end users could pay for them to install FTTP to any address within their FTTC/N footprint at cost.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Whole NBN thing means I'll be getting ~~FTTP~~ ~~FTTN+VDSL2~~ ~~HFC~~ ~~56k~~ a homing pigeon in a few years.

Can't wait!

qasdfdsaq

Which had me real excited. Until they withdrew it.

@Bob Ah yes, there was a nice publicity stunt done on that once. Homing pigeon vs. rural ADSL.

Pigeon won. Just.

allquixotic

17:52

@qasdfdsaq I'm technically in an FTTH area, but the nearest install is about 1/6th mile away from my neighborhood

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Oh, that. One of NBN's more recent announcements (after they went back on FTTP and FTTN) is we can pay extra for them to run FTTP to anyone in an FTTN area.

allquixotic

would love to pay cost to get FTTH here

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yep, that's what we had here. They withdrew it though cause apparently it was too much work (why the fuck would you introduce it in the first place then?? they did like 5 years of trials ffs)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Try it again for upload.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob That would be an insult to the pigeon

Bob

17:54

Nice thing about ADSL: they can hark on about download speeds while you get 1Mbps max (3Mbps if they've deployed Annex M, which maybe one ISP in Au has). Down to less than half that in adverse conditions.

But local HFC offerings are similar.

qasdfdsaq

As it turns out this Atom is from '09

Bob

30/1 is a joke. 100/3 is a worse joke.

@qasdfdsaq Yay, first-gen! :P

qasdfdsaq

It's also dead.

Eh, it had a good life.

400Mbps over gigabit LAN, not too bad for a '09 product. Still faster than our £100k EMC array.

Bob

o.O

s/EMC/Dell/

:P

qasdfdsaq

It said EMC on the box

Ahem. >_>

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