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Journeyman Geek

14:00

Monitor looks sweet for its pricepoint.

(IPS is the bomb)

allquixotic

I think that CPU is amazing, too

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

we could probably find a happy medium for what to overclock it to, on the stock cooler, without having to do anything risky

Journeyman Geek

(My current box is overkill)

allquixotic

by looking online and finding what most people can get, and walking back 100 MHz from that

Journeyman Geek

14:01

Well for when I bought it/processor

allquixotic

oh, my next box will definitely be overkill, there's no doubt of that

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: Oh, I'm a firm believer in running stock speeds

@allquixotic I don't have a "next box"

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek yeah but that anniversary pentium is designed to be OCed

Journeyman Geek

Planning on incremental upgrades ;p

@allquixotic: then some sensible air cooling maybe?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek when I say next box I mean new motherboard, CPU, RAM, and GPU (possibly not all at once)

keeping case, the PSU is already extraordinarily high-end, so no need to change those

Psycogeek

14:03

@allquixotic well nobody is going to use a stock cooler , when for a few more dollers you can get one of the cheap tower coolers and have it actually work. (although 2 cores) but stock coolers also come in 2-3 sizes. for the smaller chips they are wenie coolers.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, you can prolly get a decent one for 30-40 dollars

DragonLord

Can confirm Windows 10 is being downloaded. I have a $Windows.~BT folder in the root of C:.

allquixotic

going for Skylake mainstream i7 "K" series, 64 GB or 128 GB of DDR4, probably a 980 Ti, probably a Samsung 850 Pro 2 TB, keeping my existing 8 TB RAID array for bulk storage, and the Z107 chipset

I'm expecting to spend $3000-$4000

Journeyman Geek

Intel's heatsinks are decent

@allquixotic: I'm torn between getting a 970 next month or waiting a bit longer for a 980/980ti

allquixotic

I don't know the meaning of savings so I probably won't be able to do it until I get a big infusion of cash at tax time

Journeyman Geek

14:06

@allquixotic: I still spend about as much as I did when I was jobless, with a few extra luxuries

(Transport's seperate, and of course, the dedi ;p)

Psycogeek

@allquixotic What she? you realise that womin would happily play Gemdrop for months at a time :-) something i always thought was rather biased, before i found many studies that show women could quite possibly happily game for the rest of thier lives with 1/2 the GPU we have :-)

Kristian

@JourneymanGeek that's a good thing though, right?

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Kristian

It's the same for me, but I find the drinks I buy on a night out are slightly more interesting

allquixotic

@Psycogeek That's a stereotype that does not apply to every woman.

Journeyman Geek

14:11

@Kristian: heh, I still have not much money, and very naggy old school parentals ;p

Psycogeek

@allquixotic right certannly not every, but when deciding on a GPU, knowing what they will play, and the Engine and game (optomised) might be useful.

Kristian

@Psycogeek Most women I know would happily game with no GPU at all

Journeyman Geek

(But buuuut, you can build suprisingly good computers on very little money and lots of patience)

Kristian

@JourneymanGeek patience as in waiting for the parts to drop in price? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Kristian: I ran a core 2 duo with onboard graphics for a year, until I bought/built my current box

@Kristian: Saving up

Psycogeek

14:14

@allquixotic I figured you would be playing the exact same game with this person, that you setup? online? so that you would know exactally the needs of the game ?

Kristian

@allquixotic that sounds very little like a "mainstream" setup to me

ncdownpat

@allquixotic seems to have more in common with a server from a few years ago (minus the graphics card and SSD)

allquixotic

@Kristian I'm contrasting that with the "Enthusiast Performance" series of CPUs.

at any given time there's a mainstream latest-gen CPU, and a previous-gen enthusiast performance series, on the market at the same time

Kristian

@Psycogeek I use a stock cooler for my i5-4670k

allquixotic

the latter require a separate motherboard, and have more PCIe lanes, no integrated graphics, more CPU cores, more cache, and often higher clocks

Kristian

14:19

but I'm also too lazy to overclock it. And it's running great for my needs

allquixotic

@Psycogeek yes but I also want it to last them a while and run other games

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: what's a while?

Kristian

Only thing I am thinking of at the moment in terms of upgrades is a new case for easier access

Journeyman Geek

I build my boxen for 5 years

DragonLord

@allquixotic Are you talking about the HEDT platform (X99), or the Premium Performance platform (Z97)?

Journeyman Geek

14:20

They end up running 7-10

Kristian

I've been looking at NZXT cases and they look neat!

Journeyman Geek

I'm a cosair fanboy there

DragonLord

HEDT has a very specific meaning in the Intel world. It means type-E processors and X-series chipsets.

Psycogeek

I build my computer to run for 30 years, and it makes it 5-10 :-(

Kristian

Corsair PSU :) I actually looked at a Corsair case too

allquixotic

14:22

@DragonLord wasn't aware they rebranded them that way - in the past (Ivy Bridge) the Z*7 platform was always "Mainstream" and the X*9 platform was "Enthusiast Performance".

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: is she building it herself?

allquixotic

I meant the Z-series though

DragonLord

Not rebranded, just different names.

Kristian

but the NZXT ones are just a little more nice to look at imho

DragonLord

H97 is Mainstream Performance.

Z97 is Premium Performance.

X99 is Enthusiast Performance or HEDT.

Journeyman Geek

14:23

@Kristian: min maxing once again

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek yes, with help

Journeyman Geek

that case is probably good enough, and prolly won't shred your knuckles

tereško

@Kristian well .. I like Fractal Design

DragonLord

@Kristian Would rather get Cooler Master.

Fractal Design is good as well.

tereško

it's a matter or taste and requirements .. and budget

Journeyman Geek

14:25

Its a 20 dollar case with that bundle. means more money for other things ;p

allquixotic

I should probably also send her some essential tools for working on PCs

Kristian

@DragonLord got any specific recommedation for me to look at? My preference is no-frills, easy on the eyes, absolutely no fancy LEDs

allquixotic

might be able to get a kit for $15 or $20

what does she need? screwdrivers of the correct size; maybe an iFixIt?

tereško

@JourneymanGeek yeah .. well ... case is kinda an important part of the build

Kristian

@tereško I'll have to look into that. I've never heard of Fractal

Journeyman Geek

14:26

@allquixotic: single medium sized screwdriver or a multi headed one

DragonLord

@Kristian newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352048

Journeyman Geek

or a basic electric screwdriver

DragonLord

Fractal Design Define R5

ncdownpat

@allquixotic needlenose pliers

tereško

@Kristian take a look at fractal design's Define R5 or Define S (there are reviews on youtube) .. price range $70-100

Journeyman Geek

14:27

Pair of good tweezers is nice if you're fat pawed

Psycogeek

@allquixotic swiss army knife and personal resolve

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek She's not a dog.

tereško

@DragonLord is it just me, or NewEgg is actually really fucking expensive

allquixotic

Think of tools that a human would need.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Kristian

14:29

@tereško hmm, that looks really nice

Journeyman Geek

(I have trouble with jumpers, and I have a pair of curved neck tweezers for that. Also works on ticks)

DragonLord

@tereško That's an exception, not the rule with Newegg. Seems they're charging full retail price for this case.

Kristian

I think I like it! A lot...

@DragonLord thank you!

allquixotic

Is it possible to find a build of this quality in terms of the system components, for a similar price?

Or do they hugely mark up prebuilt computers?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: Most storebought PCs seem to be low end, or very high end.

Psycogeek

14:30

Electric screwdriver , with 4 reversable tips, voltmeter, drill, rivet gun, dremmel tool, possibly a power strip (surge strip) Small socket set.

allquixotic

@Psycogeek @_@

pretty sure she won't need all that

Journeyman Geek

erm.

Electric screwdriver is a 'nice to have'

Kristian

So the R4 is bigger than the R5 ?!?

Psycogeek

ANd a torx, cause some idiot is going to have some crasy arse screw in there.

Kristian

that's oddly confusing

ncdownpat

14:31

@Psycogeek building a case from... wood?

Psycogeek

@ncdownpat no they just need to be adjusted sometimes.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: My go to screwdriver is from daiso. Its a bitholder style one

tereško

@Kristian R5 is a newer model

Journeyman Geek

Having extentions is nice, and magnetic screwdrivers are handy

Kristian

nevermind, they're about the same size

Journeyman Geek

14:32

electrics are easier of course

If you've got SSDs you MIGHT need a small crosshead

Kristian

I really like the sleak front on those cases

A new contender appears!

tereško

@Kristian you also can change the direction of front's hinges and both dust filters can be accessed from the front

Journeyman Geek

(basically you need one screwdriver. Everything else is optional)

With my current cases, they're toolfree ;p

tereško

and you can perform various perversions with drive cages

Journeyman Geek

@tereško: My dell didn't HAVE drive cages

Psycogeek

14:36

nobody ever drops a screw into a case when building a computer , and it never slides under the board, and you never have to turn the case upside down to find the last one , that just doesnt happen.

tereško

@Psycogeek never, ever. And you never have to shake a laptop violently, because it never happens to laptops

Journeyman Geek

Nope, no drive cages. You screw it right into the side of the case

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek @_@?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: And that's why I'll never buy a desktop off the shelf.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek wat

Journeyman Geek

14:38

@allquixotic: You take that hard drive, turn it 90 degrees, align it with the screw holes on the side of the case....

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek now how you going to get an 11.5inch video card in that?

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek From the looks of it, that's a 2007-model Dell Inspiron of the sort my father has.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: To paraphrase robert rodregues,....

DragonLord

Miraculously, the Inspiron 531 is still fully operational. It's seen a memory upgrade and several video card upgrades (currently a GT 640, Kepler GK107, and could take a GTX 750 Ti without running afoul of the PSU limits), but still runs 100% fine.

Kristian

@JourneymanGeek buying a prebuilt commercial desktop for home use is heresy!

Journeyman Geek

14:40

" First you take some ~~soft flour tacos~~ a PC, then throw it out and make it from scratch"

Psycogeek

My cases always have lot of Elbow room, but the length of the video card is still a concideration, because of hard drive cages in the lower part too.

Journeyman Geek

@Kristian: I picked that up from a dumpster ;p

Kristian

picking stuff up from dumpsters, however, is good fun!

Journeyman Geek

video card was shot (I got some rep out of that), HDD was missing

replaced the case...

and gradually the rest of it ;p

tereško

@Kristian I built mine just few months ago: imgur.com/O4qnLZh (back: imgur.com/d6v1JaF)

Kristian

14:43

is that an R4 or R5 ?

Journeyman Geek

lol

tereško

r5

Journeyman Geek

This is my current setup

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Nice! :)

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: The box I used to own was a 530

tereško

14:47

meh, shit quality picture, deleted

Journeyman Geek

I can't find a picture of my old setup

THis was my setup in 2011

(I still have the x220. great laptop)

ncdownpat

the 530 was your dumpster machine?

Journeyman Geek

Maybe 2012. But fuzzy on the dates

yup

tereško

because-texas rawstory.com/2015/07/…

Psycogeek

@tereško I was really hoping they would pass that other bill, for mentally ill and potentially dangerous Doctors :-) the one that allowed for the guy carving up your innards to have the same drug test the guy selling shoes at costco gets.

Journeyman Geek

15:00

lol

I don't have space for more screens

ncdownpat

$#@$ iphone

Journeyman Geek

I'd like to eventually get another 27 incher

Kristian

X220 <3

I have an X201 !!! (work laptop)

ncdownpat

i have another one of the WFP2408s in storage because this desk can't fit it

Journeyman Geek

or an IPS 24 incher

Kristian

15:01

and a T420i (leisure laptop)

Journeyman Geek

@Kristian: the x220 is mostly at home

I use a HP stream on the train

Kristian

I have 6 thinkpad laptops within 1 meter of me right now...

Journeyman Geek

lol

We have er...

Kristian

lenovo. best ovo.

Journeyman Geek

I have an old R61, and a R60 (IBM), my dad has an R61.

Kristian

15:02

and 5+ lenovo desktops

Journeyman Geek

R60 used to be my brother's

3 desktops and a nuc class machine ;p

Kristian

we have an X61 here

such a weird machine

tereško

I heard that real professionals buy Alienware

Journeyman Geek

lol

razer blade!

(work's mostly macbooks as far as laptops go)

Kristian

tabletpcreview.com/assets/2889.jpg it's a monstrosity!

I consider that X61 to be alienware

it looks like its from another planet, by todays standards

it's mostly here as a threat :P

ncdownpat

15:06

how well does that swivel hinge hold up?

Kristian

you behave now, or you'll get this for a replacement laptop

it's pretty much broken in any way possible, except it still works

3

tereško

@JourneymanGeek I mean this ones: dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51-r2/… , an awesome GTX 960 machine for only $1400

Kristian

chipped corners, lid lock doesnt work

@ncdownpat the swivel hinge is alright still

Journeyman Geek

ahh

ncdownpat

the one in my tx2000 broke after less than a year. crappy HP quality

Kristian

15:08

but hey!

at least their techies doesnt wear t-shirts !

ncdownpat

they'd be embarrassed to, I'd imagine

Journeyman Geek

@tereško ajj

ahh

Damn my paws

ncdownpat

put up with that computer far longer than i should've

tereško

Actually, I find it kinda funny that their flagshit "gaming desktop" offers only GTX 750ti, R9 370 and GTX 960

Kristian

community.spiceworks.com/topic/…

Journeyman Geek

15:11

@ncdownpat: With desktops, meh. I don't see the point of compromising down too much

Kristian

I was referring to this with the T-shirt comment

just took me a moment to dig up the link

ncdownpat

@Kristian ah okay

this is my current laptop

probably for another year or so

tereško

ouch

you need to get a job

Psycogeek

dude, you got a dell

DragonLord

@tereško Actually, the Envy Phoenix has been refreshed with Haswell-E. The best possible configuration includes an i7-5960X and GTX 980.

Are you looking at the right machine?

store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/desktops/…

tereško

15:15

@DragonLord to be honest, I am not entirely sure. The site is a mess.

Oh .. I was talking about Alienware

Kristian

@ncdownpat It says Dell on there... can't you like... talk to someone?!

Psycogeek

Dell Commercial (2002, with Steve)

►

ncdownpat

it was the best i could afford at the time (down to this or a Core2 gen Lenovo)

Kristian

Actually. I have a Dell monitor at home, and I love it...

Psycogeek

and to think that was only XP years ago.

ncdownpat

15:17

the Latitude line is actually alright

Kristian

I'm thinking of getting another one to replace the old EIZO horror that's next to it

Dells are okay for the most part... but I'll keep my ThinkPads

ncdownpat

i'm probably going to jump to a thinkpad after this year

tereško

@DragonLord holly shit. Are people really buying them at those prices?!

DragonLord

Yeah, that's overpriced. I believe it ships with a CLLC on the CPU, though.

Haswell-E (or any Intel HEDT system) is never cheap, though.

Kristian

I'll just leave this here....

ThinkPad Commercial circa 1998 (from ThinkPad 385XD)

►

tereško

15:20

that's why console users say that "pc gaming is expensive"

DragonLord

It isn't expensive to build a decent gaming desktop. $800 to $1000 is enough to easily beat new-generation consoles.

tereško

paying $1400 for (at most) $700 build is insane

ncdownpat

I've got two thinkpad 760XLs and a 760E sitting in a box in my closet

Kristian

Anyway, I'm off.. take care guys!

tereško

@DragonLord you can beat console with a $350 machine

Psycogeek

15:22

@tereško unless it was an Apple, then its just another day

DragonLord

Even a properly specced $500 system will beat consoles.

I'd still choose quality parts, though, as <$500 builds often use bottom-bin parts

tereško

@Psycogeek apple users are a special breed.

I find it a good way to ascertain at a distance whether project manager is clueless or not

ncdownpat

21.5 inch iMac with a 1.4 GHz i5, 8 GB of (probably) DDR3, 500 GB drive and no graphics card for $1100.

DragonLord

i5 probably type U CPU.

Not the best for a desktop.

tereško

@ncdownpat those come with laptop CPUs

DragonLord

15:29

Even if it's Broadwell.

ncdownpat

because they went with a "fanless" design... for a desktop

DragonLord

Very baffling decision.

tereško

well, you could make it work, if you actually put enough copper in it

but that lower the profit margins

Bob

@allquixotic Really depends what you're looking for.

DragonLord

1.4 GHz is characteristic of a type U processor. Lots of Turbo headroom if they're willing to raise the TDP, but not very powerful otherwise. Very power-efficient, though.

Bob

15:31

There is absolutely no GPU or combination of GPUs that will provide a 100% smooth experience.

ncdownpat

yeah, they say "Turbo Boost up to 2.7GHz"

Bob

None. Nada. It's simply not possible.

DragonLord

Bob's point is that the CPU is going to be a huge bottleneck even if there was a discrete GPU.

Bob

But if you're not expecting to go crazy by spawning thousands of entities (as is possible on some games), and you don't really care about a fancy high FPS count (as long as it's comfortably 60+), then it really doesn't matter as much.

@DragonLord CPU will be a bottleneck for some games. Especially in sandboxy/open-world types.

allquixotic

@Bob Depends on the game and the settings, but what I'm looking for is something that can run 2015-2017 games on engines such as Frostbite and UE4 at medium detail (with a few things on high, maybe) at a smooth 50+ FPS with minimal hiccups except for brief I/O or whatever.

Bob

15:33

But the GPU could also bottleneck, GTX 980 Ti or Titan X or whatever.

allquixotic

it's okay if sandboxy games lead to unbounded scenarios causing horrid performance - I'm talking about games that are optimized and have bounded resource limits.

DragonLord

@Bob iMacs don't ship with desktop-class video cards. They use laptop GPUs at best (and I doubt they're MXM).

Bob

@allquixotic Then it's really case-by-case and you're trying too hard to predict the future.

allquixotic

@DragonLord they're not MXM; they're basically similar to what they use in ThinkPad T-series, except GeForce instead of NVS

in short, they're a lot better than an IGP, but sucks for gaming

Bob

There most likely will be a game or two that'll push it too far.

DragonLord

15:35

Older iMacs took MXM cards.

Not the current model, though.

Bob

But even a 960 should be able to handle medium on the vast vast majority.

DragonLord

...and not for the last few years.

tereško

@allquixotic now explain it to someone who is running around with Macbook and iPhone

and iWatch

Bob

You can take some released games and push their graphics settings high enough to lag on a current 980.

It's all about reasonable expectations.

allquixotic

@Bob in 2017, I doubt a 970 would be pushed "too far" at 1080p on medium detail, unless some publisher decides just to completely ignore optimization (CF: Batman Arkham Knight) - but I'm basically discounting that as (1) an outlier (2) so egregiously terrible that even the publisher recognized it and pulled it from sale

my question is more one of comparison

tereško

15:36

yeah , well, I have a 3440x1440 screen .. my 290X tends to choke when I put everything on "ultra"

allquixotic

in my opinion, the 970's performance is so great that I have basically zero worries about buying this person a 970 and it being not sufficient

but is the 960 too little, if the 970 is either "just enough" or "way overboard" depending on the game?

also keeping in mind that the chances of this person upgrading to a res greater than 1080p is effectively 0%

(if they did, they'd also be able to afford a GPU upgrade, so they would cross that bridge when/if they came to it)

Bob

@tereško 1. the 970 is about 20% more powerful than the 290X. 2. 3440x1440 has something like 2.4x the pixel count compared to 1920x1080. 3. running "ultra" is pointless most of the time, and does not fit under "reasonable expectations"

tereško

@Bob "970 is about 20% more powerful than the 290X" citation needed

Bob

Most "ultra" modes push every configurable setting to max, many with negligible visible effect and some even being (subjectively) worse.

@tereško videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2697&cmp[]=2954

allquixotic

@Bob I agree that ultra / high detail is not a reasonable expectation for a system in this price point, and I wouldn't pretend to demand that the card I buy is going to support that, even for 2015 games.

Bob

15:40

Say what you want about artificial benchmarks being inaccurate, they're the best we can go on at this point and certainly better than nothing.

DragonLord

I'd target 2560x1440 with a GTX 980.

tereško

@Bob never link to that page. It uses user-generated stats

DragonLord

You can start doing 3840x2160 with a GTX 980 Ti, but you'll want Titan X cards, and likely two or more of them, to get the best 4K experience.

The 980 has three more SMMs than the 970 (16 vs 13) and is clocked slightly faster.

It also has slightly more usable VRAM.

Bob

@tereško And? There isn't really an optimal way to condense performances across thousands of different games into a single comparison.

tereško

@Bob kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/…

DragonLord

15:43

@tereško The charts are from dozens of samples for each card. There's plenty of data to produce a reasonably accurate assessment.

Bob

With a large enough number of samples, the typical performance will usually become apparent.

@tereško Again: and?

tomshardware.com/reviews/… tomshardware.com/reviews/… tomshardware.com/reviews/… <== from what I've seen, on average the 970 performs better.

But then it'll even vary depending on any OEM modifications and even the driver release.

<pedant>You didn't even specify which game your example 'choke'd on, which makes the statement equally meaningless.</pedant>

allquixotic

Release? What's that? As if drivers can actually be updated? Oh, wait, I'm coming from the AMD world (R9 280X in my desktop). I forgot that drivers can change after the card is released. ;p

(That statement is in reference to the lag between December '14 and July '15 for the AMD driver update, which is less, even, than the quarterly updates we thought they'd be going to when they abandoned their monthly update scheme)

DragonLord

Furthernore, the GTX 970 has half the power consumption of the R9 290X (145 W vs 290 W).

Bob

@DragonLord I'm avoiding the power consumption comparison under the assumption that performance per price is much more important at this point.

DragonLord

The R9 290X fan can run as loud as a rackmount server (although not by default).

Bob

15:51

@DragonLord My 560 Ti fan (MSI HAWK) approaches that volume :P

allquixotic

@DragonLord if you use the automatic driver-based fan speeds, you'd literally have to run Furmark with your computer inside an oven to get it to actually run the fan that hard.

Psycogeek

Not all the AMD cards are fitted with a screaming banchee fan, the double and tripple fan coolers are way less RPM and noxious noise of the one squirrel cage turbine.

It isnt about DB either, it is about hitting the Screaming child frequencies :-)

Bob

@allquixotic 'nother thing to consider, though: 960 is about half the price of a 970

allquixotic

@Bob Yep.

Bob

You might even be able to SLI them :P

allquixotic

15:54

We'll see what kind of a budget I can scare up from donations. If it looks good, I'll splurge for the 970. If we're running short, I'll go for the 960.

Psycogeek

That inate inborn human frequency that makes all humans cringe and think they need to fix something.

allquixotic

@Psycogeek Yeah, but the triple fan design is designed to dump all its waste heat into the case, which increases the amount of heat dissipation that is required of the case's own cooling solution.

Bob

The 960 beats out the 280X in both perf and price afaict, so that's a no-go

allquixotic

The impeller fan has an exhaust in the back of the card that dumps the waste heat into your room instead.

Psycogeek

@Bob One begins to wonder if he is donating, or setting up for a new wifey :-)

allquixotic

15:55

@Psycogeek The former. Not even funny.

Bob

I wonder how the R9 380 performs

It's a tad more expensive than the GTX 960

Psycogeek

@allquixotic yes and that works great, except for the tiny exit holes, depending also on the layout of the ports on it.

@allquixotic which is why there basically has to be an end somewhere to what you build, even if you know that a $2500 machine would be what you would want to have.

What kinds of things could be Simply upgraded later? while still working now. I always figure a best motherboard is the key, possibly a good PSU, the rest plugs in pretty easy.

allquixotic

@Psycogeek I'm sure if money were no object, everyone would want to have a desktop build based on a 3U server, with 768 GB of RAM, 30 x 1 TB SLC SSDs in hardware RAID20, 4 x GTX TITAN X, 4 x Xeon E7, etc.

Psycogeek

They pass the donation plate at the church, for $100 they can buy a glass goblet, for $500 they can have a tin goblet , for $1000 they can have a silver goblet , and for $2500 a gold goblet, now how much you think anybody is going to put in the collection plate :-)

Bob

@allquixotic ...and then sell off the parts.

The power requirements O_O

pretty sure you'd have to upgrade the house wiring

also, I get the feeling that setup actually wouldn't be great for gaming

allquixotic

16:09

@Bob Well the PSU for that would probably require the NEMA plug that (in the US) gives us 20A @ 120V.

Bob

it's optimised for high throughput, not low latency

allquixotic

@Bob I think it'd be fine if you pinned your game's process to running on the cores of one E7 CPU.

Bob

@allquixotic CPUs: 520 W total TDP

Titan X: 1000 W total TDP

1520 W already, ignoring inefficiency

allquixotic

plus a ton of RAM sticks

plus 30 SAS SLC SSDs

Bob

I'd estimate the RAM at something like 50-100W

And then the SSDs... hm. Let's say 5W ea?150W?

allquixotic

16:12

what about a top-end Haswell-EX or Ivy-EX server mobo TDP?

imagine how many PCIe lanes it has to support

probably about 400W, huh?

plus another 500W in active cooling (ballpark)

plus 10% efficiency cost for a "Gold" certified PSU

Bob

So a fuzzy 3kW

Psycogeek

then we gonna need one of them Google UPS boxes, to sit outside , with the FuelCell generator.

Bob

heh, my 10A @ 240V can't take it

though the UK does 13A @ 240V apparently

@allquixotic Also trying to dissipate that much heat... ow

Psycogeek

" code-name Arctic islands as such will jump straight towards 14nm FinFET technology with stacked graphics memory dubbed HBM. as expreview reports. A huge jump considering the current products are still at 28nm." So many different reports , i just want it to come for the desktop cards

I am all ready to make thier investment pay off. just gimme a 4096 stream processor with 32gig of V-ram, for $300 and , 15cents to the investors :-)

DragonLord

17:29

Rebooted the machine for updates.

System continues to download Windows 10 in the background.

I hope it's ready by early next morning.

The sooner it's finished, the sooner I can take a system image and begin the upgrade.

DragonLord

17:43

Windows 10 launch: T minus 10 hours 17 minutes.

I'm watching Task Manager very closely to ensure that the download is interrupted as little as possible. If it stops, turning off the Wi-Fi and turning it back on fixes it.

GFSE

17:55

GemsFromStackExchange: SIR, 1438094441931, SIR!

posted on July 28, 2015

SIR, 1438094441931, SIR!

DragonLord

T minus 10 hours to the launch of Windows 10.

Hennes

Q: Will it be any good?

tomfanning

Hi - came here for a hardware recommendation per the FAQ. I'm after a USB Bluetooth dongle that works with headsets. Struggling to find one that works properly - they pair but the sound device never shows up. Any experience?

tereško

18:19

@Hennes yes, but not this week

you probably will want to hold off for few days

DragonLord

The upgrade package is about 2.7 GB in size from what I can gather. It'll extract into $~Windows.BT when done.

DragonLord

18:49

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Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yep. Sad, but expected. :( I really hope that they turn things around but I don't have a lot of hope.

DragonLord

19:03

@allquixotic: AMD's current strategy is to focus on R&D for next-generation technologies. Most of the money is going to development new Zen core. This is why very little new technology was announced recently. They're hoping to come out with a bang in 2016.

This is probably AMD's final chance to prove its worth. If this fails, AMD will probably die a very slow and painful death.

Nate Kerkhofs

So... Who else is going to be a day 1 user of Windows 10?

allquixotic

19:34

@NateKerkhofs mee

@DragonLord I wish they'd just dump the CPU business entirely, liquidate its assets, and refocus all the engineering R&D on GPUs, and spank Nvidia next time out, with a card that's 20% more efficient, 20% faster, and 20% cheaper - win, win, win

Intel already won in the CPU space more than 5 years ago, as far as I'm concerned.

Nate Kerkhofs

Weird... I got no version of Flash installed on my 8.1 laptop, yet it still shows me the Flash Player Settings Manager in my control panel

And when I open that, under "updates", it says twice "Version of NPAPI-plug-in: Not Installed"

Seems like something went wrong during uninstalling it, and now it has residue left

I executed the uninstaller, and it didn't remove it

And when I check whether I got it installed in IE 11, it can dedect version 18.0.0.209

DragonLord

Having the right development tools can make programming a lot of fun

NetBeans has excellent autocomplete for both HTML and JS. It even has spellcheck for free-text content like <p> page text and code comments.

Still learning JavaScript from a book I bought a while back, and it shows how a good IDE makes all the difference.

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