Root Access

surfasb

16:00

@SgtOJ I've been trying to train people to better utilize Access and Infopath at work here.

SgtOJ

@surfasb I was agreeing with the balls comment.

surfasb

@SgtOJ Yeah. You can actually say that for any company though.

SgtOJ

I need to better with Infopath myself.

surfasb

Anyone who's willing to risk a cash cow like Microsoft Office has balls

SgtOJ

I wasn't too happy with the change at first but has grown on me now

Linker3000

16:03

@surfasb Or locked-in corporates with too much investment in licence costs to change.

Sathya

Apparently Windows 7 consumer usage has taken over WIn XP's

surfasb

@Sathya It's about time.

It's not so much as XP sucked. Win7 is a good move cause it forces people to change and reevaluate.

Plus it makes workaholics like me look good.

Sathya

WTF -> Win 8 tablet preview

seems like the Win 8 preview posts embargo was just lifted.

surfasb

I know.

@Sathya Risky huh?

Sathya

@surfasb totally.

More on Win 8 preview, this time from engadget

surfasb

16:10

@Sathya I tell ya. I wish they promote Sinofsky.

Sathya

> We didn't lose fundamentals. - Sinofsky

SgtOJ

Wish I was back in the states. I can't watch the keynote. Connection is too slow.

Sathya

surfasb

@Sathya The MinWin project is paying off.

And those are live icons that change based on status.

Sathya

^ zoomed out view of the lock screen. Pinch gestures, btw

surfasb

16:19

It's about time we get some kind of dashboard, instead of having to write our own in VS.

Sathya

@surfasb totally

nice

SgtOJ

it is. simple and to the point

Sathya

a video being played, swipe from right to bring up context-sensitive settings

she stuttered while doing the AeroSNap bu finally got it running

"charms"

surfasb

@Sathya Oh boy. I'm gonna program the crap out of those charms.

Sathya

spell-check throughout the OS.. hopefully, that'll reduce the crap spellings on SU :p

surfasb

16:28

Oh wait.

It's F-ing HTML5/Javascript

FML

SgtOJ

@Sathya lol

lol

Sathya

hehe

surfasb

SU needs grammar check, not spellcheck.

Or some kind of translation widget.

I remember seeing a post about how SE visitors are like 40% outside the US or something.

Sathya

yeah

there was blog post I believe

SgtOJ

I know there is a lot. I think that's the best part.

Sathya

16:32

that's an ARM tablet.

apparently, everything from the netbook has synced over to the ARM tablet

well, @surfasb

surfasb

Here we go.

Here is what I'm interested in.

Sathya

surfasb

@Sathya Good.

Sathya

"Starting at 8PM today, Seattle time, you can download all of the code that attendees at BUILD received. "

Tweeted by edbott on September 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM

surfasb

WinRT. . . Not familiar with that.

Sathya

16:39

hmm live demo of building an app

surfasb

Ah figures. WinRT is from the Windows Phone folks.

Sathya

VS11 Express

surfasb

@Sathya Yeah, I've watch previews of Vnext.

They are slimming it down considerably.

The guy previewing Visual Studios is so nervous.

He's the UI program manager.

Or maybe not.

Nice.

I hope programs finally stop calling the Win2k common file dialog

Sathya

:))

surfasb

Now THAT'S big.

Sathya

16:47

Blend does HTML & XAML

surfasb

Blend is actually getting some real attention??

Sathya

hmm frontpage deja vu?

surfasb

Not the bastard stepchild treatment?

So they are making HTML5/CSS designer work just like Silverlight/WPF.

Sathya

yeah

surfasb

"rich" licensing model.

Typical Microsoft.

Sathya

16:55

Certification Process?

surfasb

Like FXCop.

FxCop

FxCop is a free static code analysis tool from Microsoft that checks .NET managed code assemblies for conformance to Microsoft's .NET Framework Design Guidelines. Unlike the lint programming tool for the C programming language, FxCop analyzes the compiled object code, not the original source code. It uses CIL parsing, and callgraph analysis to inspect assemblies for more than 200 different possible coding standards violations in the following areas: * Correctness * Library design * Internationalization and localization * Naming conventions * Performance * Security FxCop includes both GUI...

William Hilsum

Bugger... I am working hard and missing it! ... What is the link to watch build? I can't see it anywhere :/

Sathya

@WilliamHilsum buildwindows.com

surfasb

buildwindows.com

William Hilsum

Thank you!

both of you!

SgtOJ

17:01

no

surfasb

They are converting a Silverlight app to a Metro UI app, like linking the new touch and network stack.

SgtOJ

Don't stop... I can't watch. Connection is too slow. I am following along.

Sathya

well it's a bunch of codes. so far :)

surfasb

He's adding the new UI elements to an existing Silverlight 3 app.

The good news is WPF and Silverlight Apps can call the new UI through the managed stack, unlike when Win7 first showed up.

Wow.

He just ran the same Silverlight App on the ARM tablet.

With a single line change.

I like what I'm hearing. But I have this gut feeling.

I'm gonna force myself to learn HTML5

Sathya

I'm not too sure how it'll scale on more complex projects

surfasb

17:07

Oddly enough, Silverlight scales out well. It actually sucks for small project.

The irony huh?

Sathya

hah!

surfasb

Nice.

Now does it cook dinner?

Interesting.

Sathya

oh jeez

surfasb

It's a checksum signature check at bootup on the boot volume.

Sathya

I hate that signature verification crap

surfasb

17:10

Yeah, I can see that being a whole class of troubleshooting cases.

For Vista/Win7, it was educating users about UAC.

I can see that boot checksum messing with dualboots.

Sathya

yeah. And build-your-own-flash-multi-boot-drives

surfasb

They are talking about sleep.

Instant on, Instant off.

Watch OEM stuff the crap out of it with crapware.

I don't see the point of this part of the demo.

They are talking about DirectX 11.

Sathya

but in a fluffy manner

surfasb

Oh nm, they are talking about the DirectCompute?

Yet Another General Computing Offload To the GPU API.

That's probably why Microsoft has been pushing F sharp so hard. Parallel computing on F sharp is suppose to be smooth like butter.

Sathya

> Microsoft is making the Windows 8 developer preview available to the public today, starting at 8pm PT today. This includes 32-bit (x86) and 64-bit (x64) versions of the OS, with or without development tool - Here

surfasb

17:19

Yup, I'll be blowing up their servers at 8pm also

They are talking about how the MetroUI is gonna restrict functionality based on resolution.

Yet another entire class of troubleshooting cases.

If you are on SVGA, no side by side Metro Apps for you.

That pony? Not yours.

Lame.

Microsoft Photobooth clone demo.

I want to stab this guy.

OMG, clippy asked if I needed help stabbing this guy.

Clippy FTW!!!

Now they are demoing the Connect NetworkUI.

No talk about native code apps.

Boy, that's gonna piss people off.

Tom Wijsman

This has been up for the whole day now, meh...

Wanted to see if they improved something, guess not.

surfasb

Now they are showing the crowd clapping.

Like it's a church service. Lulz

Oh, nice.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb: They are really focused on selling this time...

surfasb

They are giving away new laptops.

And it's a nice laptop also. I mean tablet.

Tom Wijsman

@Sathya Sounds interesting.

surfasb

17:30

It comes preinstalled with Win8 dev preview and VS 11 Dev preview.

Holy crap. That tablet is packed.

And they get a year of data service for free.

And you can hook up two monitors to it??

WTH, OEMs have been holding back.

William Hilsum

I WANT ONE!!!!

surfasb

Ahh, here is the real meat.

Windows 8 on a Dual monitor desktop.

Sathya

hah

surfasb

He's showing the Start menu and the MetroUI with the mouse & keyboard.

New task manager.

Background applications are now in a suspended state, like on the phones.

Sathya

wow, that suspend app is neat.

surfasb

17:35

Yeah, that's a huge change.

Of course, that's gonna piss off native app devs.

Sathya

Tom Wijsman

<3

Why so blurry?

surfasb

A whole nother class of troubleshooting cases.

Tom Wijsman

surfasb

Probably the compression algorithm.

Tom Wijsman

17:37

Mine blurry too...

Sathya

stream dropped from 850k to 350k

surfasb

Nice.

Tom Wijsman

1.3 MB here

But sometimes there are periods where it gets bad.

surfasb

You can see your Hyper V machines and users on the Task Manager.

Tom Wijsman

Probably when people (dis)connect a lot.

surfasb

17:38

And you can google Processes straight from Task manager. Huge.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb: Has been there for a while in Process Explorer.

surfasb

New feature.

Tom Wijsman

I like how they are finally migrating some stuff done properly into Windows 8 itself.

surfasb

@TomWijsman Had no idea. I never use Process explorer unless something is broke.

New feature called Reset and Refresh, like steady state.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb: I avoid any form of that.

I do way too much tweaks to files/registry/...

surfasb

17:40

Or it's more like System Restore on steroids.

It's basically snapshots of your machine.

He's demoing the benchmark tools.

You can now batch them together.

@TomWijsman I try not to because I need to be able to relate to my coworkers.

Tom Wijsman

Yeah, didn't get a screenshot, blurry...

@surfasb I mean, at home.

William Hilsum

eh?

surfasb

@TomWijsman Work is home here.

<<<< Workaholic.

William Hilsum

2

Tom Wijsman

LOL

surfasb

17:42

Nice

Sathya

@WilliamHilsum :D

Tom Wijsman

Hmm, it seems I get 3 MB when full screen.

surfasb

MetroUI Remote Desktop.

Now they are demoing hyperV

On the consumer edition.

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum: I have another one...

surfasb

This is what I'm looking forward to . . .

Tom Wijsman

17:44

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman but, aren't they just showing connecting to a server? / that is where hyper v shows the name of the vm?

Tom Wijsman

Unsure...

Nope, it's an user computer.

Nothing server, just forgot to adjust the GUI so far.

Hopefully they iron that out...

William Hilsum

Look at the top... that is the name of the VM they are connecting to

surfasb

Native ISO mounting

That's the guest VM.

The Machine they are connected to is on the left.

Tom Wijsman

surfasb

17:46

Which is Steven demo.

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum Still, not a server.

surfasb

Nice.

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman They are probably connecting in / using it as a target! I don't really see a problem there

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum They just didn't rename it to reflect the OS.

Per desktop start bar, nice.

surfasb

@TomWijsman Finally huh?

Tom Wijsman

17:48

I still live on my laptop screen.

surfasb

The Explorer now has an up arrow.

Tom Wijsman

Perhaps it's really worth it to get a touch monitor now... ^^

Sathya

cmd lives ;p

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman Sorry, I just don't understand the problem!!!! I have run Hyper V, the guest is probably using Windows 8 server - not really a problem!

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum The guest is not running server.

Because he is demonstrating Hyper-V on Windows 8, not server.

And it showed client stuff, nothing server specific.

surfasb

17:49

Yeah, you won't need a $1K OS to use Hyper V.

Nor will you need CALs.

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman Yeah... I understand that! the host is windows 8 - but... the guest probably is Windows Server 8... I don't see the problem with the name!?

Tom Wijsman

...

surfasb

@WilliamHilsum Umm, your point?

Tom Wijsman

They are demonstrating Hyper-V on Windows 8 clients, not servers.

surfasb

Even if it was a server as a guest OS.

William Hilsum

17:50

corrected last message -

surfasb

It's a guest OS. It could of been Redhat.

William Hilsum

Sorry, I didn't see them actually connecting on Hyper V, only showing the basics, I don't really see the problem or understand what you were trying to say!

surfasb

IE on MetroUI.

Meh.

I'll be dumping that BS.

Or wait.

tombull89

looks like I'm going into transcript reading mode...

surfasb

If they are really serious about the Trident engine performance . . .

Tom Wijsman

17:52

His hand is big... ^^

surfasb

@TomWijsman He's got balls to match . . .

Earlier, Sathya and I were talking about how Sinofsky was one of the folks that bet on the UI change for Office.

Anyone that is willing to make such a huge change to a cash cow like Office has balls.

Magnifier sucks.

ZoomIt FTW.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb Indeed.

surfasb

Keyboard language button is now on the bottom left all the time.

Interesting.

Demoing Palm check.

Snooze. . .

Tablets have had palm rejection for years. . .

I guess that is news for the masses?

Tom Wijsman

I'm usually for new stuff...

But I'm going to miss a lot of the old things.

^^

surfasb

Oh nice.

Roaming profile got a boost.

Tom Wijsman

17:57

Really, so used to hot-keys and stuff, and suddenly everything moved to other places.

surfasb

Live sync, now for your romaing profile.

roaming profile.

Tom Wijsman

You can edit your previous message if you want.

Sathya

Live... more like dead snooze

surfasb

They are demoing Windows Live Mail with new MetroUI. Unified Inbox.

Unified Inbox. Now if Outlook will join the 21st century also. . .

Shared Calendars.

Humm, no task list preview.

No one uses task lists these days. . .

Sigh :(

Now Live Photo app.

Humm, all these apps are all HTML5 and javascript.

They are talking about Skydrive.

Oh boy.

Stalk about storage limit PLZ!!!

25GB is great and all.

. . . .

Sathya

don't think it's going to change...

surfasb

18:05

Skydrive is kind of slow to access from .NET.

Cause there aren't any official APIs.

Please talk about Skydrive API mor!!!

They are talking about the same functionality that exists in Live Mesh.

But it's a bit more smooth.

Sigh, nothing new.

He accessed his files off his home PC from Skydrive. You can do that now with Live mesh already. . .

Sathya

falling asleep here

surfasb

But accessing the files from Windows Phone 7 is new.

Lulz

Photo sync demo fail.

Tom Wijsman

Sync failure.

Yeah

surfasb

Ya.

I want to see these APIs.

Nice clippy.

I want to stab you, Clippy,

Humm, they are showcasing new Apps and how fast and easy it is to develop.

Nice. A bunch of teams of two to three developers wrote all these MetroUI apps.

And they were all MS interns.

Sathya

I'm off. good night

surfasb

18:15

Night.

Nice.

This is definitely better than the Win7 preview.

Tom Wijsman

Interesting, I hope the Developer Preview is kind of usable...

William Hilsum

dev.windows.com - im there tonight!

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum: Dunno if I can be around.

Can you ping me explaining what you can do with it besides developing?

surfasb

Http://dev.windows.com

Tom Wijsman

Going to Avril Lavigne tomorrow... :)

SgtOJ

18:23

lol

Tom Wijsman

surfasb

You can swipe away!!! WEEEEEEEE.

Tom Wijsman

Early AV, App-To-App Picker; there are some interesting things on that screenshot I think.

surfasb

I want to know more about this Win Runtime they keep talking about. . .

It shoulds like .Net, but it's not. . .

Yet another intermediate layer.

Tom Wijsman

@surfasb No, more native than that, just side by side.

They used using in C#, so it's just .NET or even an API consisting of P/Invokes...

Given that C++ is listed on one of those screenshots I guess it's the second.

(Encapsulated invokes, that is)

DMA57361

19:39

for those not listening to the live podcast - they're discussed the SU 2nd yr birthday contest

apparently the shop will be getting more SU stuff soon

Simon Sheehan

wooo

DMA57361

lol, there's people playing ping-pong in the background :)

nhinkle

20:12

@DMA57361 hurray! I'll need to listen to it.

Also... has anyone else tried to watch the BUILD keynote and it just didn't work?

stupid fucking silverlight

Simon Sheehan

:/

DMA57361

oo, sharepoint.stackexchange.com is launched

nhinkle

that looks very... metro

DMA57361

doesn't it just

nhinkle

so, coming up ASAP tonight: blog post on how to install Windows 8 Dev Preview next to your existing Windows 7 installation

although there's a chance I'm going camping tomorrow, which would kind of delay that...

DMA57361

20:22

lol

nhinkle

20:36

rest assured native app developers!

> We will show the brand new tools that allow you to code Metro style applications in HTML5/JavaScript, C/C++, and/or C#/XAML. - Welcome to the Windows 8 Developer Preview

David

@TrevorBoydSmith if you want help with your newest question, I have the answer already typed up. But it is not my work.

It is an engineer's work at the data center I work at.

DMA57361

@David FYI, you can't @ ping random people from chat - they have to be in the room or have said something within a recent timeframe (can't remember what thou)

David

A while back, someone pinged me (I thought) when I hadn't been in here for a couple weeks.

Thanks for the info @DMA57361

I forget things all the time. :)

DMA57361

the timeframe might be a month or something, can't remember tbh, but if they've never been here it won't work

David

Darn...

I can't post the engineer's work on the internet... But I want to be able to help him out even if he was mean to me through comments.

Oh well...

How are you doing @DMA57361?

DMA57361

20:43

@David why can't you post the work? maybe the engineer can instead?

@David meh, OKish

David

He doesn't come on SU, he refuses.

DMA57361

oh well

@David how's you?

David

He will only go on serverfault, and I only know that because I noticed him on that site once.

I'm good.

I can finally start working out post lung surgery. :)

I have been dieing to work out...

DMA57361

@David lung surgery? :/

David

Yeah... My right lung has a disease that causes reoccurring pneumothoraxes (collapsed lung)

I suffered that for 6 months, then my pulmonologist, got mad at me and sent me to the hospital.

DMA57361

20:47

nasty :S

paradroid

I am never going to Kansas. i.imgur.com/Jr7Gx.jpg

David

The surgeon described the surgery as he was going to collapse my right lung (put me out first), and scrape my right lung and my lung lining, sew it together, and put a tube in my chest to vacuum out the blood caused from the scraping.

It was tremendously painful afterwords...

DMA57361

yeah, it definitely doesn't sound fun...

David

I'm very glad it is all done... I hardly have any pain anymore...

DMA57361

so, you're on the mend now, then?

David

20:51

The worst part of it was finding out that morpheme has no effect on me. I was on that for the first two days, then they moved me to percocet.

I am much better now.

I don't think I will be 100% for another year.

The surgery was November 24th of last year, and I still experience pain every now and then...

But it is fading away.

:)

DMA57361

good good

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