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@Bob it will probably compare favorably to Haswell (22nm is bigger and hotter than 20nm), but not very favorably to the die shrink i.e. Broadwell
of course, architecture optimization will play a large role, BUT I think they will catch up a lot in the area of performance per watt
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@allquixotic Also depends if they optimise for single-thread or just cram more cores on.
I mean, for typical desktop uses.
my prediction: Intel will continue to win in top-end performance, but AMD's will be much more competitive (though, not enough to be a clear winner) on perf per watt
my prediction #2: AMD's GCN 1.1 inside those APUs is going to be beastly and will soundly beat Iris Pro
and then Broadwell will render AMD's new toys obsolete ;p
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AMD's current procs do run a bit hot, but they've been reasonably competitive in a multi-threaded benchmark. They take the biggest hit with the single-threaded stuff.
@allquixotic The APU... it'll be interesting.
@allquixotic you called?
I'm not convinced that this will catch them up significantly in the single-thread benches, but they'll definitely stop requiring 105 Watts (or more) to compete with a ~65 Watt Ivy Bridge i5
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15:03
I wonder how well it'll perform with gaming.
Star Citizen? it won't.
MOBAs? should get 60 fps on medium, at least
@Bob: Is gaming CPU bound any more? >_>
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@allquixotic Well, the single-threaded performance was largely the architecture, not the fab size.
@JourneymanGeek I was referring to the APU, but, yes, gaming is still CPU-bound in many cases.
See: KSP
@JourneymanGeek if they're shrinking the GCN GPU down at the same time as the CPU part, gaming perf will increase a lot as well
KSP is a bit of an outlier ;p
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15:04
Physics and simulation is still often done on the CPU.
It's also often single-threaded, or doesn't make full use of more than two threads.
I just wonder what it'll be comparable to.
(e.g. will it beat my aging GTX 560?)
many types of physics simulation don't have to be done on a single thread; the Bullet physics engine makes heavy use of threads, and in fact, some of its algorithms have OpenCL ports that can run on thousands of GPU cores
KSP should either use Bullet, or do their own thing that's similar
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On one hand, it's many years more recent. On the other, we're talking an on-die GPU vs a discrete card that draws >100W.
@Bob is the 560 a 28nm part? or larger?
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@allquixotic They can, but practically many games don't bother.
I'd say the 20nm APU is going to give any GPU made on a process larger than 28nm a real run for its money, regardless of how much the MSRP of your GPU was at launch (even the high-end parts are in trouble)
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15:07
@allquixotic 2011, so larger.
28nm, the latest ones will still be (much) faster, like the R9 290X
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Intel was 32nm at the time, IIRC.
Yea, it was 40nm.
150W TDP.
guaranteed, the R9 290X / GTX 780 / GTX 780 Ti / the new GTX 980 Maxwell2 release are going to absolutely obliterate this new 20nm APU... however, mid-grade, first-gen 28nm parts, and basically all 40nm parts are going to be hard-pressed to beat it, IMO. but we'll see when it's out :P
the GTX 560 looks to be from the same generation as the Radeon 5870... yeah, this APU is going to beat your 560, I'm afraid... I mean I'm not 100% sure, but pretty damn sure :P
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@allquixotic The APUs from earlier this year seem to be about 3/4 the perf of a 560 (GFLOPs)
and by "this APU" I mean the high-end part, if they have multiple releases
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15:11
So, I'd expect it to be equal or better, but not completely obliterate it.
Then there's the other side: graphics memory.
@Bob the lack of the TSMC 20nm process's availability has held down the GPU market from being able to do more than incremental perf increases for about twice as long as the other process node steps
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Raw calculation perf might be higher, but it won't have as much readily-accessible high-speed/low-latency memory.
basically, ever since the Radeon 7970 came out as the first 28nm part, we haven't seen any huge perf increases on the GPU side
I think the 20nm shrink will bring a huge increase
@Bob any word on whether AMD is planning to go all Iris Pro on it with on-chip eMMC?
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@allquixotic I don't know.
@allquixotic I also wonder how DDR4 will compare to GDDR5.
Assuming their 20nm parts are DDR4.
Ok. Bit of research, and apparently GDDR5 is higher latency but also much higher throughput.
@Bob GDDR5 is basically regular DDR3 with a much higher clock (something like an effective 2.75 GHz or higher)
DDR4 will move away from a "bus" topology and use a point to point topology -- similar in style to nixing the FSB in favor of QPI or DMI
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15:18
@allquixotic Maybe the memory chips themselves, but they way they perform I/O with the GPU core is apparently rather different.
But I don't actually know any of this so I'm researching now :P
@allquixotic The RAM chips will still be physically further away from the CPU, though.
It'd also need to share (or reserve) RAM from the system.
If it shares, that could have a performance impact.
If it's reserved, well, you have less RAM to work with.
Wonder how much DDR4 will cost.
@Bob I think you can get DDR4 now; the new X99 Haswell-E platform requires it
you can look up the prices :P
LOL
It's not expensive at all! :D </sarc>
only $460 for 32GB, compared to about $170 I paid a few years ago for the same capacity DDR3
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Ooookay.
Hopefully prices drop.
But that also means the APUs might be facing real problems on memory capacity and bandwidth...
heh, halving the chip size from 8 GB sticks to 4 GB sticks only drops the price down to $390
4 GB sticks of DDR4 are twice as expensive as 8 GB sticks of DDR3 -_-
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@allquixotic And apparently they're supposed to be higher density :P
nevermind, I linked to the wrong amazon product before
they're not $459 for 4 x 8GB
they're $502 for 4 x 4GB :D
> Usually ships within 1 to 2 months.
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15:24
@allquixotic wat
also, lol @ "hand-screened ICs" :D
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@allquixotic breaks out loupe
Hmmmmm looks alright to me. Pass!
Well, although I haven't written my cool embedded browser that fakes out MLB yet, the individual pieces I've put together have at least enabled me to listen to Spotify at work lol
@Mokubai sorry for ignoring you, I was in the middle of talking about memory and GPUs :O
@Bob Get this. Adobe Flash ignores the proxy your browser sets, even if you set it as the "global" system proxy in IE. It ignores your proxy in Firefox, Chrome, and IE. But Proxifier injects code into the winsock32 library that forces it through a SOCKS5 proxy. It's none the wiser because SOCKS5 proxies TCP.
And best of all, every OpenSSH client<->server has a builtin SOCKS5 proxy :D
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lol
@allquixotic I used to use Proxifier while behind a restrictive network :)
I guess it's a little inefficient doing it this way, since the alternative of doing OpenVPN over TCP is probably more efficient (and my Work Computer #2 doesn't do application-layer filtering on port 443, and I have permanent admin rights to install what I want)
right now I have stunnel out to the SSH port, then push the SSH socks5 proxy through the stunnel (using RC4 because it's less CPU overhead and we're already encrypted with TLS 1.1)
15:32
@allquixotic no worries dude, looked like a good discussion. Was just on way home so had a chance to reply.
@Mokubai I wanted to link you to that Chihiro Onitsuka music!
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@allquixotic s/permanent/until they find an excuse to take it away/
@allquixotic Aye, I was looking to see if I could get any of her stuff but all I can find is CD imports that cost 5x what a CD should costs. Amazon didn't have any of her older stuff.
One CD was £55 which is like a million of your American monies...
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@Mokubai I was about to ask if you were in Brazil -_-
Nope, now you only have two guesses ;)
@Bob But first you have to forget the "£55" comment.
15:40
useless to compress MP3s
enjoy
7zip should be able to open it so don't complain about WinZip not working ;p
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@allquixotic gasp
@Bob don't worry, once Mokubai has the URL, he'll make that chatline disappear -- won't you, @Mokubai ?
he'll even go to Google and demand as an EU Citizen to make them disappear it from their cache
then I'll shred it on my server. evidence gone :D
@allquixotic Not when you use my patent-pending Infinite Compressor Algorithm! All the compressed data is stored in the filename so the file size is compressed to 0!!!111!!!oneoneone!!
wait, does it compress the filesize to 0, or to 111?
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@allquixotic Hm. Now I'm curious. 1. is she on Spotify, 2. is there a specific song you'd recommend?
15:44
it's perfectly valid to imagine a "compressor" that compresses all possible file sizes up to a certain length to 111 bytes or less
the size of the compression program would range in the trillions of exabytes, but hey
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Well, 1. is "yes" apparently
...three songs :(
@Bob very little of her work is on spotify and it's kind of bad except for the most popular song
the most popular one on spotify is pretty good
but she has much better that's not on spotify
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@allquixotic Google Play?
Other?
@Bob nope, looked there too
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:(
15:45
I don't think any legally licensed media outlets aside from perhaps Amazon MP3 or iTunes that are available in the US and Australia would carry it -- the easiest way to get it would be to import the CDs
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@allquixotic Mind if I grab that tar? :P
@Bob no, I don't mind, as long as you don't try sending me any environment variables
(shellshock reference)
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LOL
Hm. I like this one (Infection).
my favorites from her include (these are song titles): Ryuuseigun, Gekkou, Infection, Shadow, and Crow
all in the tar though
some of the tracks are of dubious quality because they're a hundred years old (I was a minor when I got some of those) and have likely been lossily recompressed
My cat is demanding food. When asked why he can't just eat the biscuits that are down for him I get the stare that says "Human, you know that biscuits are not food. Now get on with it and feed me."
He could be related to the plant from little shop of horrors...
15:50
@Mokubai you could be related to Worf :D
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@allquixotic I like her music, but I probably won't be listening to it much... mostly Spotify now :\
Couldn't be arsed maintaining my own collection.
@Bob ugh, I just got our mutual most hated GUI ever... it shows up in 7-zip when you browse... someone needs to teach Igor Pavlov about that improved browse for folder dialog
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@allquixotic I really want to know why MS didn't just replace the default.
@allquixotic Thanks (got it, now trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do with it)!
Suna no Tate is also really good ;p
@Bob open in 7-zip, extract, listen with your favorite mp3 player
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@allquixotic I meant where to put it :P
15:56
ahh
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I've neglected my local music collection for a while now.
eh, I've been maintaining my music collection okay -- I keep my Amazon MP3 purchases synced between local and my dedicated server, and Crashplan has a full backup also
I have over 1,000 songs which are not on any of the streaming music services
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@allquixotic All my music is local.
IIRC I have a copy on my desktop, one on my laptop and one on my phone (MicroSD).
Yes, I said "IIRC'. I really have no idea how well synced they are now.
Laptop/phone is easy, cause MicroSD.
But it's currently on my desktop, and I can't decide how to transfer it :P
oh, I just figured out that the song names starting with a number (no Chihiro Onitsuka) are significantly better in quality than the ones with the song name starting with Chihiro Onitsuka), so if you have the same song in both, delete the one that starts with her name
06- Ryuuseigun,mp3 >>>>> Chihiro Onitsuka - Ryuuseigun.mp3
Infection is an awesome song. Love the symphony.
See, this is why I like listening to other random music people throw at me. There's so much more awesome out there than I hear on the radio.
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16:05
@Mokubai It actually sounds kinda familiar to me. Pretty sure I haven't heard it before, but something similar recently.
a college buddy from early on in my college years introduced me to Chihiro Onitsuka
the other neat thing about music I learned from college is that not all headphones are made equally... when my DJ buddy (he DJed for the college radio station) convinced me to buy some Sennheiser studio monitoring headphones
first time I had headphones that weren't pathetically bad
before: "all headphones are the same, right?"
after: "I'm a hi-fi snob"
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@allquixotic I'm kinda in that situation now :P
I just realized I'm a bad person... some of my C# code from months ago had if (true) in it
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o.O
I had a condition I wanted to put there, but then realized it was pointless or something, and was too lazy to remove the conditional and the braces and bump the indentation back
so it made its way into production ;p
16:23
@allquixotic Dudes I knew at college introduced me to Liquid Tension (it's an accoustic, but is awesome) and Devin Townsend
That is the perfect way to finish an album.
You need to have the volume up high on your headphones to appreciate the undertones
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@Mokubai Do you have Spotify? Might I suggest spotify:track:3nGJAxwPxpJLHWbf3digZ3?
I used to, but back to a free account now
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Or maybe spotify:track:4gV3tVcRc38XmFbRKKNf0r (open.spotify.com/track/4gV3tVcRc38XmFbRKKNf0r)
Haven't used it in like 2 months, now it's "installing" when I run it?
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shrug I dunno
16:31
@Bob That's pretty sweet. Though I actually bought the OST for FFVII so I might be biased
Placebo always have awesome closing tracks: spotify:track:4OrgBSQTU5x35C1nqcdgU1
Pity they've only got one of their 8 or 9 albums on spotify
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@Mokubai :)
do you guys know of Poets of the Fall?
Not heard of them
@Mokubai Poets of the Fall has my favorite closing tracks :O
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@allquixotic Have you mentioned them before? The name seems vaguely familiar.
@Bob yea
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oh god too much music to listen to! :P
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Q: How do capture filters in Wireshark work internally?

ChuuI am wondering exactly what happens internally in TShark when I use a capture filter. Specifically, let's say I have the following filter to capture multicast data: host 224.0.26.3 && port 12345 Does wireshark: Ask the OS to copy all packets on the interface to its local buffer Apply the ca...

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Does it matter?
@Bob well, sure. if the OS side of the house is doing conditional jumps to determine whether to copy the data or not, it can avoid some kind of cross-process activity (probably even involving a user<->kernel context switch) involving the copying of the data over into wireshark's process space.
it matters if you care about performance.
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@allquixotic Lemme rephrase: How much does it matter?
If this is seriously affecting performance, I'd say you're probably doing something wrong (or at least something else inefficient).
16:48
@Bob I made an off-the-cuff attempt at an answer to that q :P
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This sounds more like a way to make a tea from the seeds instead of helping them germinate. Do you have a link to the seed supplier, or if not, could you take a photo of the packet and post that? — Niall C. ♦ 1 hour ago
lol
Who's good at economics?
Economists! Or so they claim...
no one is good at economics
economics is basically a two-pronged discipline: either (a) figuring out how to take more than your worth from other humans, or (b) figuring out how to more evenly distribute worth across the general population, regardless of their individual worths.
economists who have anything to do with the stock market are usually going after (a); socialists and people who promote the general welfare are generally going after (b)
17:22
@Mokubai @allquixotic Can you imagine what will happen if everyone in whole world stops using bank for just 1 day?
Or buying goods and services for 1 day?
@Boris_yo Yeah, the banks would accrue an amazing amount of interest in one day
I know it will cause a spike on stock market.
@Mokubai Interest from central banks?
 
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ExcellllIn the Suggested Edits queue, plagiarism is a rejection reason unique to tag wiki edits. Plagiarized edits can be caught by googling the tag wiki text or by googling the product and examining the most common copy-paste sources: Wikipedia and the product page itself. These edits require an amount ...

18:53
Best (ab)use of a question into the answer: parenting.stackexchange.com/a/14906/3700
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19:15
> Latest info from the organizers - it was not DDoS, but a link of the ISP got overloaded with regular traffic. Not the 1st time apparently
O_O
so... a non-malicious DDoS? :P
@Bob My companys website was actually DDoSed by too much traffic :p
19:45
@Bob ping
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@allquixotic pong
my mom just phoned me for "tech support" @_@ turns out it was a two-pronged problem
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uh?
problem 1: user keeps getting her cat picture (desktop background) as part of screenshots on newly upgraded dual-monitor system
problem 2: user doesn't know what to do, so user printed out screenshots after editing them in paint, and scanned them in black & white, then pasted into Excel... 62 MB Excel file
solution to problem 1: use Alt + Printscreen
solution to problem 2: use images with less entropy (solid gray background of large GUI screenshots is much smaller than the grainy scans)
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@allquixotic Or install Greenshot.
19:47
> install
> paranoid IT
!!no
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Well, you won't have to change their routine
@allquixotic !no = yes !!no = no no? :p
I have no idea what you just said.
...
OH.
The not operator.
@allquixotic heh
19:49
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wat ... we have a bot in here?
don't use !!taytaytay unless you like the stuff you see here
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@Nick I awoke on Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:57:49 GMT (that's about 7 days ago), got invoked 21 times, learned 88 commands
19:50
@Nick er. since about March? (or was it March 2013? I can't remember)
@allquixotic havent been in this room at all
he runs on my dedi
!!facepalm
seems appropriate command
19:54
#BENDGATE SOLUTION: Don't wear skinny jeans. http://t.co/HZY6rkfE7J
just in case you missed it
I'm confused at tweetdeck.. at tweets its shows my current avatar but when I hot the "tweet" button it lists my account as my old avatar o.0
20:23
IF WE APPLY MOORE’S LAW TO THE SIZE OF PHONE SCREENS HUMANITY WILL BE COMPLETELY ENCASED IN GORILLA GLASS BY 2018
@Bob O____O!!! WAT
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@allquixotic Eh? Expected.
so... is it cross-platform hardware that runs fine with either OS (in which case you could switch, or even dual-boot?! :D :D :D) or they have separate hw for Microsoft?
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They did a WP before. Or a few.
@allquixotic Well, WP runs on ARM, so... ...
I'm sure Microsoft would never allow (willingly) for you to dual-boot
but some hacker might wind up doing it anyway
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dunno if the buttons will be different though
20:32
still, seems odd that they would brand it the same for Windows Phone
up til now, Windows Phone has usually been relegated to low-end devices
I think Microsoft was trying to take over the budget segment of the market. Or they just had difficulty getting hardware partners to be OK with shipping flagship-quality hardware, and mass produce it, for such a sucky OS
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@allquixotic Nope.
Hm.
Coulda sworn HTC had a previous flagship with WP.
Maybe remembered wrong.
@allquixotic It's not really sucky.
@Bob years ago, when Windows Mobile was big and Android didn't exist, yeah
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WP8.1 is more or less major-feature-parity with Android/iOS now.
Somewhat different focuses and a lack of popular/dev support, but the OS itself is quite solid.
Microsoft actually had the smartphone market in its pocket from the time the word "smartphone" existed (around the advent of 3G data plans, at least in the US), up until Android and iOS started to gain traction
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More stable than Android actually.
20:36
if you wanted a smartphone in 2004, you bought Windows Mobile -- Palm had nothing modern
Palm really failed to make the jump from the "PDA" market to the data-equipped device market, by being late to ship wifi and 3G phones, and by that time Microsoft had taken over
and Microsoft's brand recognition and desktop adoption was much higher then than it is now
remember, their best and most enduring OS ever -- XP -- was still kinda new
Windows Phone is a joke, though, mainly due to lack of traction with developers making apps for it -- things are bad enough on Android, with several major apps being iOS-only, but at least it's "hit or miss", with some major apps being Android-only to counterbalance it
with Windows Phone, there's just no comparison
the only people who'd make WP-only apps are people who are in Microsoft's pocket, and Microsoft themselves
if money is at all a factor in your motivations for making an app, you'd be a fool not to port it to one of (at least) Android or iOS
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@allquixotic As I said before, the OS itself is more solid than Android.
@Bob not sure I buy that -- but even if that's true, it's likely owing to the fact that it runs on a slightly less enormous variety of hardware -- Android runs on just about anything, whereas Windows Phone has explicit minimum system requirements, and pre-canned device form factors, etc
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Probably because it's somewhere between iOS and Android in device uniformity.
@Bob lol what I just said :D
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But that doesn't excuse the utter failures from Android flagship phones.
20:42
much more device uniformity than Android, but not as much as iOS
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WP works very well if you don't need/expect too many apps.
also, hardware manufacturers probably don't dick much with the OS (or at all...) aside from shipping a few apps on top of the OS, for WP
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Actually, I'm very nearly in that category.
I doubt HTC has the full source code to Windows Phone
but when they have the full code to Android, they use it (damnit!) to do shit like Touchwiz
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The only apps I would actually miss on WP would be Opera Mobile (old, 12) and Firefox.
I also don't like some of their design decisions too much, due to familiarity with Android, but that's entirely subjective.
(also, the platform is rather more locked down - but that's not stopping most iOS users)
20:45
@Bob the other night, I considered for about 5 minutes whether I'd be better off with an iPhone 6 than an Android, considering that I primarily don't root, and mobile hotspot works fine on iOS 8 now
but I'm pretty sure it has terrible battery life
the killer apps for me on Android: Gmail, Firefox, ChatSEy, Tapatalk, Blizzard and SWTOR two-factor auth apps, Yubico two-factor auth app (for Yubikey authenticating Google and Microsoft accounts), Google Docs and Sheets, Softcard, Google Maps, Lastpass, JuiceSSH, my credit union's app, Spotify, GPS Status, Amazon's apps, Youtube, and the MLB At Bat app.
actually, if iOS allowed installing programs from other sources than the App Store, even if those programs were restricted to the same permissions as apps from the App Store, I would probably buy an iPhone.
It's having the ability to either just write or just install your own random third-party app, without it having to be blessed by a company that "wants" it on their app store, which is a feature I can't live without.
There's always the question of what if Apple decides they don't want a certain app in their store, and you really, really need that app. They can pull it at any time. Google does it all the time for the play store, but you know what? IDGAF. I just install it side-load.
That's why I only considered getting an iPhone for 5 minutes. I realized I just can't live with being that locked down.
Sideloading is an even more powerful feature than being rooted.
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uhh
I'm looking at a laptop here
that's talking about SLI/CrossFire
wut
@Bob is it 17" or bigger? that's not unheard of
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@allquixotic Guess so.
Clevo and Eurocom have some ridiculously huge laptops
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> Dual Band Intel Wireless-N 7260 2x2 AC + Bluetooth [Add $97.96]

Standard 802.11B/G/N Wireless + Bluetooth [Subtract $1.04]

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Intel Ultimate-N 6300 Wireless Card (No Bluetooth) [Add $98.96]
wut
20:55
BBL
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I can get one of those cards for something like $40
-_-
@Bob lol
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> Plextor M5M 128GB SSD mSATA 540/320 Mbs Read/Write [Add $219.00]

Plextor 256GB mSATA SSD [Add $499.00]
??
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wow these prices
> From: AUD$2,419.01
To: AUD$11,774.07
Ow.
lol the next option down, "a small 15.6" notebook"
21:13
15.6 is small if you have to actually work on it all day long
> No Hard Disk [Subtract $189.40]
Wat
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@Hennes ...I have. Many times.
Not too bad.
@Nick What's wrong with not including a hard disk? Run your OS through the network, or from a USB drive (i.e. Windows to Go)
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Also, as a laptop, it's not small.
Medium, maybe.
I am used to 50" and I would not mind having more
21:17
@CanadianLuke netboot... for a laptop?
@Nick Yup
@CanadianLuke seems silly... why would you netboot a device that is suposed to be mobile
Some companies use laptops in labs, simply so everything is self contained. I never said I do it, but I've seen companies that do
I use a work laptop, but not as a mobile. Daily in the same place.
The first 8 months it was
1) Get laptop from locked cabinet
2) Place in dock
3) Power up your ---desktop--- laptop.
and reverse in the evening
@Hennes The good work laptops are awesome. But I agree, quite heavy. I'm sure mine is 7-8 pounds, by itself
Not to mention the dock, the monitors, keyboard and mouse...
21:25
Aye
I do not mind the weight since they usually do not get moved
I just wish for the ability to connect a third monitor, for some more RAM (IT gave it to me with only 4GiB and I keep getting popups that it is out of memory) and some more other expansion options (e.g. room for a pair nice full sized PCI-e cards)
Portability is quite optional for me.
Drag/luggability is enough.
Not sure if the out of memory, please close some programs is about main memory or about graphical memory (usually several programs are run from a citrix server and I heard vagely that that uses some of the graphics memory)
However in this job I am a plain user and I did not spent much time looking at it. Just close outlook, IE7 and a few other programs and cancel the out of memory messages every hour.
me just realised he was talking on root access... I though this was The Comms Room :p
Nah, comms is quiet at the moment
22:22
@Hennes Can't just ask for a regular workstation, and a mediocre laptop for when you need to leave the office with a computer?
22:49
so are DDR4s cross compatable with DDR3s? meaning can it go BOTH ways?
@Psycogeek DDR4 memory comes in 288-pin DIMM modules, similar in size to 240-pin DDR3 DIMMs.
In short, no.
They are not cross compatible.
ahh completly different socket again, thanks.
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