Root Access

allquixotic

00:08

@JourneymanGeek oh, come on, silly! you know you win already :P

Journeyman Geek

00:22

;p

Michael Frank

00:33

Actual text from a job I've just received: scanner printing out very loud

Annonomus Penguin

00:52

Hey real quick [sorry to interrupt] but does anyone know if the Vista startup repair option will will mess with user's files? I can see hints that it won't, but I can't see that I don't need to backup anywhere, but no one says to backup. Should I back up just in case?

It's a friend's computer, so I'd hate for it to be wiped accidentally.

Psycogeek

@AnnonomusPenguin then a friend would bring a disk to put the data on :-) simple repairs and system resotores and even lapped installs do not mess with user data. System Recoverys from the manufacture recovery partition will usually return it back to the way it was when purchanced AKA destroy everything. Because nothing ever goes as planned with anything, the only safe thing is to back-it up any freaking ways.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank scanner printing? DEMONIC POSSESSION!

@AnnonomusPenguin: that should be the same as a repair install. Ought to be fine

doing a quick backup off a livecd is a good idea thoug

Annonomus Penguin

K thx.

Psycogeek

All the stuff that microsoft does to troubleshoot, patch repair , fix , is usually safe. From MSes posisiton you dont want 350million people having another problem :-)

Annonomus Penguin

@Psycogeek With Linux, there's no need to release a routinely patch. Every geek fixes it themselves within two minutes of the major release... :D

@Psycogeek True, no data disk for me :D

Annonomus Penguin

01:32

Turns out no issues with startup repair found, but when doing memory checks, it randomly shut off. Problem? :D

Michael Frank

01:51

Wooo! The magically scanner fairies fixed the scanner I was working on while I was at lunch! :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

Michael Frank

Now I just need to figure out what was wrong so I can bill this correctly...

Michael Frank

02:23

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sotonin.exilebestiary

...

I'm sure it's a great app. But 1-5 downloads since it was uploaded. o.O

Bob

02:40

@allquixotic I can't seem to figure out how to use RCS :\

Seth

Here's a spammer for you folks:

RAZORFISH SOLUTIONS, Hong Kong

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Bob

Also, the whole "slow it down" thing didn't work too well for those aircraft experiments. But those were painful to control anyway.

@Seth thanks for the flags :)

Seth

Oh, and btw, @Psycogeek @Bob I was asking because we had a question about it on AU, the guy wanted to know if he should get x64 or x86 based on what CPU he had. I figured it was more of a Windows question so asked in here, although we've since found a Ubuntu centric dupe for it.

@Bob Any time, just ping me :)

Bob

Funny thing is, it would have been acceptable with better formatting and disclosure of association in the answer itself.

@Seth ah, personally I'd take the CPU model and look it up if I wanted to know about the hardware.

If I wanted to know the currently installed OS's architecture that's a bit different.

Seth

02:55

@Bob Yeah, same here, but he asked so we tried to answer :P

lscpu seemed to do what he wanted.

laggingreflex

How do you separate "work" browser from "procrastination" browser?

Journeyman Geek

use seperate browsers?

or monitors or systems

Bob

@laggingreflex I just try to avoid using the same computer.

Otherwise, I use profiles (Firefox)

Ben Richards

@JourneymanGeek Okaaaaay. Voted. :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

allquixotic

03:25

dafuque, gmail won't connect but SE will

@Bob what about RCS isn't working for you?

you need monopropellant and the RCS block (not the linear RCS, those suck). then you can either manually fire RCS using the appropriate hotkeys (I think it's something like j,k,l,n,m?) or hit R to make RCS try to stabilize your craft in tandem with your SAS

landing on extremely low gravity planetoids is funny, because you can achieve escape velocity using RCS only... Gilly for instance

Braiam

@allquixotic works fine from here, must be your side :(

William Lawn Stewart

03:40

Great, apparently my company's new SSL cert is causing IE and Chrome on XP to give errors about the certificate being malformed

allquixotic

@WilliamLawnStewart people using XP are malformed and should be uninstalled from the planet

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William Lawn Stewart

04:03

pretty much

The poor guy was at a remote location on a 28k modem, so it took him a while to find a Firefox install so he could access the site

Bob

04:38

@allq I think I forgot the rcs block

what's the diff between rcs and sas anyway

@allq I'm using xp :( (in a vm to talk to an avr board over serial over usb...)

allquixotic

04:53

@Bob SAS uses reaction wheels inline with the ship to give you rotational stability (so you don't go flipping around like a fish does when it comes out of the water)

RCS fires monopropellant in any direction to give you translational stability (and in extremely low gravity environments, it doubles as an extremely weak backup engine)

basically SAS helps you turn faster and wobble less, and RCS can either work similarly to SAS (supplementing SAS or working instead of SAS), or just act as really weak omnidirectional thrusters

there's SAS and a basic reaction wheel built into most/all cockpit modules, so you have that without any addons, but RCS doesn't do anything unless you have RCS blocks on the ship, and monopropellant, which drains very slowly (depending on the # of RCS blocks), but does not replenish

RCS is absolutely required for docking spacecraft together, but for most missions that involve launching a rocket from Kerbin, landing on a remote object and blasting home, you don't (shouldn't) need RCS at all, just the right combination of engines and fuel to break gravity for the two launches without running out of fuel

hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=81859.0

Bob

05:28

@allquixotic cool, I need to get that

I also completely failed the EVA scenario cause I have no idea how to get him back in :P

just bouncing off the sides

Bob

05:42

hm

I might have to try to launch a satellite sometime

..soon as I get an unmanned thingo

stupid career mode

Boris_yo

06:48

So I want to signup for Microsoft Account but I don't want the process to be in my local language, I want it to be in English. How do I change this? Is there URL hack?

Google has something like "hl=en" to change to English

Oliver Salzburg

07:26

@Boris_yo Change the accepted locales in your browser to en-US

No guarantees though :P

Bob

07:45

@allquixotic I really wish I could see altitude above ground :P

so hard to judge

Oliver Salzburg

08:40

On Windows, how do I find out how many sockets the mainboard has? Preferably without using 3rd-party software?

Seems like this server has 2 E5645 installed, as I see 24 CPUs in Device Manager

I guess it only has those 2 sockets then

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Get the mobo model number and look that up?

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob How do I get the model number?

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Bob

@OliverSalzburg msinfo32 might report it, depending on how your bios was configured by the manufacturer

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Only custom crap by the manufacturer

Bob

08:46

@OliverSalzburg Or you can try a wmic cpu get

though that might only show occupied sockets :\

Journeyman Geek

wmi is probably your best bet

Bob

I don't exactly have a machine running Windows with two sockets but one CPU :P

hm.. maybe a VM

> Each instance of Win32_Processor is a socket.

Maybe just wmic cpu get SocketDesignation

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Only shows the 2 CPUs

...which is good, I guess :D

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Do you have reason to suspect more than two sockets?

Most mobos won't go above two.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob No. But the software we're about to license is per-socket. So it could cost a couple thousand bucks if I make a mistake. And, yes, I'm going to verify another way, I just wanted to get an idea first ;)

Bob

08:50

@OliverSalzburg Wouldn't that be per installed socket?

Or do they charge you for an empty socket too?

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob No, they explicitly explained to me that it is per-socket, no matter if a CPU is installed or not

Bob

Also, is that just physical sockets? What about vCPUs on separate virtual sockets?

@OliverSalzburg That's fucking retarded.

Oliver Salzburg

Because people don't seem to buy more licences once they install more CPUs. Weird, isn't it ;D

@Bob You licence for physical machines only. All virtual machines on the hosts are free

It's a backup solution btw

We're getting rid of Acronis \o/

Bob

09:31

@OliverSalzburg :\

I hate backups now.

Yet to find a backup program that doesn't blow up in my face.

jokerdino

@slhck oh I just wanted to know how much stamps cost.

Boris_yo

I make this happen by mistakenly hitting something on keyboard.

I don't know what are keys that influence this.

How do I get rid of this blinking black cursor?

Journeyman Geek

try hitting insert

Boris_yo

10:55

@JourneymanGeek Not working

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek OH WOW. I JUST FIGURED OUT THAT SHIFT+INSERT IS PASTE

Journeyman Geek

o0

Michael Frank

Also caps is cruise control... yada yada

Bob

@MichaelFrank Heh, on X11 there's actually a second clipboard buffer for that.

Ctrl+Insert is the corresponding copy.

Colyn1337

11:13

Good morning geeks

Oliver Salzburg

12:28

> PHP Fatal error: Maximum function nesting level of '200' reached, aborting!

Wow, I though 200 would be a safe value to pick :P

allquixotic

12:56

@Bob hit R to activate the RCS thrusters of the EVA suit, then Shift to go up (to wherever the hatch is), Ctrl if you go too far up, then F to enter

@OliverSalzburg either there was infinite recursion, or the code is very bloated o_o

@Bob there are mods that will tell you that kind of thing -- MechJeb 2, for instance. of course you could consider that "cheating", but imo as long as you don't have infinite fuel, you're legit

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic The latter

Sathya

howdy folks

back from a small vacation

allquixotic

@Sathya welcome back!

Sathya

@allquixotic thanks

Bob

@allquixotic My reaction: "holy shit the suit uses RCS???"

@allquixotic Yea, I eventually figured out you have to actually go to the hatch :S

allquixotic

13:10

@Bob you didn't know the suits have RCS?

Bob

@allquixotic I was trying the EVA scenario :P

there's a severe lack of information in-game

and I haven't had the time or will to look up external guides yet

allquixotic

wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com

I haven't done any of the scenarios yet -- I suggest doing regular career mode, or even sandbox, until you know what you're doing

Bob

@allquixotic I knew you could control them, though it felt weird

@allquixotic Heh, I'm having a hell of a time keeping the damn thing straight... or trying a non-parachute landing.. or... yea

Giving up on career mode for now.

Tech advancement is painfully slow.

allquixotic

@Bob not if you manage to land on an extrakerbestrial body and recover a surface sample and bring it home -- that's worth a ton

@Bob "the damn thing" as in the rocket? if your rocket is wobbling (rolling/pitching/yawing/etc with SAS enabled and without you giving it any commands), you have an off-center Center of Mass

if you put even the slightest object with mass (Struts have 0 mass, but most other objects have some mass) on one side of the rocket, and not at least 2-way symmetry (more symmetry is necessary for very heavy objects that aren't straight up and down the primary stack), you'll wobble like all hell

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya Greetings and welcome back :)

allquixotic

13:18

even a communications array or a thermometer can put you off-center enough to make it a wobbly rocket

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg thanks Oliver

allquixotic

as for how to actually get to other terrestrial bodies, use this:

Sathya

drove down from my hometown, my car got delivered

allquixotic

!!wiki Hohmann_transfer_orbit

ChatBot John Cavil

Hohmann transfer orbit

In orbital mechanics, the Hohmann transfer orbit is an elliptical orbit used to transfer between two circular orbits of different altitudes, in the same plane. The orbital maneuver to perform the Hohmann transfer uses two engine impulses, one to move a spacecraft onto the transfer orbit and a second to move off it. This maneuver was named after Walter Hohmann, the German scientist who published a description of it in his 1925 book Die Erreichbarkeit der Himmelskörper (The Accessibility of Celestial Bodies). Hohmann was influenced in part by the German science fiction author Kurd Lasswitz...

Sathya

13:19

allquixotic

@Sathya "S"? is that for Sathya? or SuperSathya?

Sathya

@allquixotic :D

jokerdino

13:44

@Sathya grats dude

Colyn1337

nice

I just got a new hyundai sonata hybrid limited

allquixotic

everyone getting new cars -_- my 2012 feels old now

jokerdino

It's getting too tense now. Here's some cute

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(Hopefully, Bob didn't post that earlier)

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Anyone familiar with itunes/ios devices?

My sister in law has an iphone that used to be synced with a itunes install. I reinstalled windows so.. I'd like to get a fresh install, and possibly get the phone synced with it so I can use itunes..

what's the risk of me doing something stupid? ;p

@allquixotic: I take the bus everywhere ;p

jokerdino

Let's start from the beginning. "Sister in law"?

allquixotic

13:57

wait, what? JMG is married?

ah. he probably found some poodle down by the fire hydrant

Journeyman Geek

no, my elder brother is ;p

allquixotic

ahh

4

Journeyman Geek

I doubt I can plug it in and copy the contents out as mass storage

Bob

@allquixotic I can't even get further than basic orbit, and I'm all out of science points :P

@allquixotic :(

allquixotic

@Bob you can't get out of orbit of Kerbin? dang dude

well. one thing you can try is land on the various biomes of Kerbin and take more surface samples, then recover the vessel

Bob

14:07

@allquixotic Can't even take surface samples yet! :P

I've been trying to unlock that.

allquixotic

@Bob uh, I'm pretty sure that's built into the base game even with no unlocks

Bob

@allquixotic Really? Crap, must've missed something.

allquixotic

you get out of your capsule, walk your Kerbal on the ground, right click on him and "Take Surface Sample"

Bob

I only have the comm thing and the mystery goo- OH

allquixotic

you can even do that on the launchpad for like 10 science

Bob

14:07

FML

heh. thanks for all the tips

...I think I need to play it on the desktop only. The laptop isn't coping too well with the temps :\

allquixotic

then you can put one of the cheap boosters on (which will put you into a sub-orbital ballistic trajectory several hundred km away from the space center), land gracefully with a parachute, and take another sample, then recover your craft for hella science

Bob

@allquixotic How would I increase my control over an extremely heavy/bulky rocket?

allquixotic

@Bob in KSP, unlike in real life, rockets with more of a wider horizontal base will tend to be more stable. also, respect the symmetry and center of mass things I told you about earlier.

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, I remember seeing something about biomes in the wiki. Didn't have time to read all of it.

allquixotic

if you so much as put a thermometer (or anything else, no matter how light) on one side of the craft and not the other, it's going to be very unstable

so if you install ANY PART on the craft, you MUST use at least 2-way symmetry, if not more

Bob

14:10

@allquixotic That makes the science antenna annoying :\

allquixotic

unless it's directly in line with the main stack

@Bob so? use 2 :P it's no biggie

Bob

@allquixotic Wider horizontal base?

allquixotic

you aren't limited by "cost"

Bob

You mean, massive ring of rockets?

allquixotic

@Bob I mean, you can use modular girders to build out from your main stack

Bob

14:11

Heh, one of my crazier designs was solid rockets attached to rockets attached to the core fuel tank.

Taht didn't go too well.

Must've been off-center.

allquixotic

@Bob you can attach solid rockets to the main stack radially using radial decouplers, which I think are one of the first things you unlock

Bob

Ended up with ~16 solid rockets firing at once.

allquixotic

that's a viable design

"the main stack" is the components directly "under" (towards the ground) the cockpit or command pod, btw

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, but I attached another three sets of rockets to the first set of radial rockets :P

allquixotic

O_o

Bob

14:12

That was stupid. And fun.

allquixotic

the propellant from the ones above would probably incinerate the ones beneath, if you fired them all at once

you could always set up stages and fire them one at a time, but you shouldn't need that many boosters to get into a stable orbit

you can actually land on Minmus (the further away moon, which has LESS GRAVITY -- super important for when you are still low-tech) quite easily just using a default liquid engine on the main stack, 4 boosters during the first stage, then use the liquid engine (with 2 or 3 fuel tanks) to do your orbital maneuvers

the Mun itself is about twice as hard to land on as Minmus, even though it's closer and looks like the natural place to try to land. it's too big to be able to conveniently and gently escape its gravity (both for the purposes of landing without crashing, AND escaping it when taking off)

Bob

@allquixotic That's what decouplers are for.

allquixotic

neither of the two moons of Kerbin has any atmosphere, either, meaning parachutes are useless (unless you're taking parachutes to slow you down on your return to Kerbin, which is fine)

Bob

I need to figure out how to detach the decouplers from things above as well.

They blow off whatever is below, but stay attached to the above rocket/whatever and that actually reduces thrust o.O

allquixotic

@Bob you can turn the radial decoupler around 180 with respect to the ground (the same rotation direction as turning a paper plate "upside down") to make it decouple in the other direction

ah, you are looking for separators then

decouplers break off one end of themselves; separators break off both sides

Bob

14:17

@allquixotic When I try that, it won't allow me to attach anything underneath :\

Ah well, time to go experiment some more :P

allquixotic

@Bob also, watch your velocity while ascending into orbit

Bob

@allquixotic Hm?

allquixotic

if you go too fast, you'll actually be wasting a tremendous amount of fuel, because increased velocity == increased drag from the atmosphere

until you're about 14km up, you want to be going below 200 m/s with respect to the planet

Bob

ohhh

allquixotic

much more and you are just totally wasting fuel

trying to scream out of orbit at 500 m/s is just going to wear out your engines' fuel reserves in no time, and you won't have any left to get to where you're going

Bob

14:19

@allquixotic How does that affect the solid boosters? Would it be more beneficial to start with liquid and activate solid higher up?

allquixotic

@Bob no, you should always burn your solid first, because they are extremely heavy, and liquid engines (which are more efficient, but lower thrust) can't produce enough thrust to pull the SRBs along with it

Bob

Ah.

So many things to keep track of!

allquixotic

once you have higher tech, SRBs are optional if you have a very powerful liquid engine and a lot of fuel, but early on (and with extremely heavy rockets, even with max. tech), SRBs are always your "first stage" (they start burning on the launchpad)

what I would suggest is burn your SRBs until they die, then separate them, then burn your liquid engine

you should have at least one liquid engine on the main stack, always

Bob

@allquixotic Pretty much what I've been doing :P

Well, time to try all this out! Step 1: science?

Heh.

EVA on ground... never thought of that.

allquixotic

some people use the higher-thrust liquid engine (the T30, I think) as a second stage until it runs out, then use an even lower-thrust liquid engine which is more efficient (the one with 50 thrust, I think) for orbital maneuvers

Bob

14:22

@allquixotic I suppose the max thrust isn't important without atmospheric drag?

allquixotic

so, first stage = SRBs, separate; second stage = high thrust liquid engine, burn it dry, separate; third stage = low thrust efficient liquid engine, use it while in orbit to get you around

@Bob correct -- once you escape the atmosphere of Kerbin, unless you plan on landing on Eve, thrust is almost completely irrelevant, provided you're willing to wait (or time warp) to get where you're going

now granted, once you plonk down on any planetary body, it'll have non-zero gravity, and you'll need to escape that gravity

but the moons of Kerbin have VERY low gravity and can be escaped with a tiny liquid engine

Bob

@allquixotic Can't time warp while thrusting :(

allquixotic

Gilly, a moon of Jool, can be escaped using RCS :P

but Mun and Minmus will be your first two targets (not necessarily in that order), and they require at least a low-thrust Liquid engine to escape the gravity

HackToHell

@jokerdino aww ! gfycat.com/DownrightCreepyBlacknorwegianelkhound <-- smaller though

Landing on Mun was super fun, I spent 2 days trying to do that

@allquixotic Do you use any plugins that calculate stuff for you

Bob

@allquixotic 'd be a pain to get there :P

allquixotic

14:25

@HackToHell I do, but I try to limit my use of them, and after seeing the MechJeb do its thing, I try to replicate it "by hand" (with no assistance)

@Bob yep... you'll need higher tech to escape Kerbin's orbit

getting to Gilly is hard; getting away is easy

HackToHell

@allquixotic Jool = jupiter ?

Bob

I haven't started with plugins yet.

HackToHell

I never figured out how to launch super heavy stuff ecconomically

allquixotic

it's complicated: you have to get into Kerbin orbit; then escape Kerbin to get into a solar orbit around the star (Kerbol); then slow down and Hohmann transfer to Eve's SoI; then slow down more and get captured by Gilly

and that takes a good bit of fuel

HackToHell

@allquixotic Ooh, have you reached Jool ?

allquixotic

14:27

@HackToHell not yet

I tried to land on Duna last night, but I was unable to land without my craft tipping over and exploding -- the surface is extremely rocky, and is flat basically nowhere, and my RCS and SAS weren't enough to keep my craft upright even landing at 0.1 m/s

HackToHell

I tried crashing into the Sun, couldn't get enough fuel up there

allquixotic

@HackToHell at about 1.3 km from the sun, your craft's temperature goes to infinity and you die :P

HackToHell

I couldn't get my orbit that close :/

allquixotic

I'm pretty sure I'll have to build more of a wider horizontal base for my craft to land on Duna

HackToHell

You have screenies of your rocket ?

allquixotic

14:29

@HackToHell no, and I'm at work

jokerdino

hey, anyone wanna play some tagpro?

slhck

Ok, Linux experts. I'm behind a corporate firewall, and I'm running Ubuntu in a VM on my Windows host.

I can access localhost on Ubuntu when in Unity, but I cannot when I'm in LXDE. On LXDE I get a stupid message that "localhost" isn't known by the DNS.

HackToHell

@jokerdino okay !

allquixotic

basically, I had a Mk1-2 command pod with two Science Jrs and a parachute on top of it; then a science lab attached to the command pod; then a Rockomax to Kerbodyne adapter, then the largest fuel tank in the game, then the large 4-engine Kerbodyne liquid engine, and LT-2 landing struts, and ladders

Bob

@allquixotic Hohmann... wat

jokerdino

14:32

@HackToHell i am on the singapore server

JD

Journeyman Geek

o0

@slhck: Thats not right....

slhck

@JourneymanGeek Right?

HackToHell

@allquixotic How did you get the entire thing up :O

Journeyman Geek

your DM shouldn't affect hostname resolution in any way

slhck

On Windows I also cannot access localhost either, but it works in Unity, which is quite weird.

allquixotic

14:33

@slhck probably Unity uses networkmanager to initialize the network adapter(s), but LXDE doesn't?

HackToHell

@jokerdino I'm in

Journeyman Geek

hmm

allquixotic

@slhck do you mean localhost of the guest, or are you trying to access the host from the guest?

slhck

@allquixotic localhost of the guest

Bob

@slhck And here I thought localhost was guaranteed to resolve.

Oh.

jokerdino

14:33

@HackToHell number 7?

HackToHell

what should I do !!!

yeha

allquixotic

@slhck what about if you use 127.0.0.1 instead?

HackToHell

dead

allquixotic

does that always work?

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ curl 127.0.0.1:9222/json
<HTML>
<HEAD><TITLE>Redirection</TITLE></HEAD>
<BODY><H1>Redirect</H1></BODY>

Works in Unity though.

(It's Chrome's remote debugging server)

jokerdino

14:35

@HackToHell it's a simplified CTF game

HackToHell

Where's the flag !!

slhck

HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Server: BlueCoat-Security-Appliance
Location:10.117.33.91
Connection: Close

allquixotic

@slhck is that the response you expect from that curl call, or is that the proxy?

slhck

@allquixotic See above, proxy obv

allquixotic

....wow.

@slhck is curl somehow using your system proxy?

slhck

14:36

This stupid proxy already cost me so many hours...

allquixotic

post your route -n

jokerdino

@HackToHell for you, in the left side

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
0.0.0.0         10.0.2.2        0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
10.0.2.0        0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     1      0        0 eth0

wat

allquixotic

I think, if curl is trying to connect to your bluecoat proxy for 127.0.0.1 (assuming it's an HTTP layer proxy and not an IP layer proxy), you need to tell curl to not use the proxy for 127.0.0.1

slhck

I set no_proxy in my env for localhost already.

allquixotic

14:38

@slhck ifconfig lo

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ ifconfig lo
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:456 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:456 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:47046 (47.0 KB)  TX bytes:47046 (47.0 KB)

allquixotic

UP LOOPBACK RUNNING ... hmm

slhck

As I said, it works in Unity, so...

allquixotic

cat /etc/hosts ?

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1	localhost
127.0.1.1	werner-ubuntu

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters

Plain vanilla 14.04 here

HackToHell

14:39

Im 4 now

slhck

(Except for the LXDE install ofc)

jokerdino

@HackToHell yay

allquixotic

nslookup localhost

lol I just need a shell into your box :P j/k

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ nslookup localhost
Server:		127.0.1.1
Address:	127.0.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:	localhost
Address: 127.0.0.1

wat

So this should be right, right?

allquixotic

that looks relatively sane, except for the 127.0.1.1 bit

127.0.0.0/8 is declared by RFC to always be loopback, but I don't know why it's using that IP in particular

slhck

14:40

Hm. I'm going to ask IT now, this has been bugging me all day, I cannot work like this if I'm not even allowed to do my stuff in a VM.

allquixotic

one thing you could try is take down the guest networking within the guest with sudo ifconfig eth0 down and then it's impossible for the bluecoat proxy to interfere

slhck

Yeah, I would like to have Internet access tho :P

allquixotic

it seems like somehow your proxy is taking over your routing table and routing localhost through the proxy, but your routing table doesn't show me any evidence of that being the case.

slhck

Hm

Be back later, gonna check with IT

allquixotic

that definitely is not an HTTP proxy in the sense that you wouldn't tell (e.g.) Firefox "use this as a proxy: effing-proxy.lan:8080"; -- it looks like it's a network layer proxy

which is way more annoying than an HTTP proxy

HackToHell

14:45

@jokerdino where dou art

jokerdino

i am trying to change my name

thanks clippy!

allquixotic

@slhck if your IT is still clueless, install Wireshark in the guest (if you're able), and packet capture your HTTP request to "localhost", and we'll see what's up

kb.bluecoat.com/…

I have to wonder if for some reason curl just isn't obeying your request to bypass the proxy for localhost.

I can't find any evidence that Bluecoat even sells a network-layer proxy

Bob

@allquixotic Doesn't curl obey $http_proxy?

allquixotic

@Bob yes, but he says he set no_proxy (purportedly)

@slhck try curl --noproxy http://127.0.0.1:9222/json

slhck

werner@werner-ubuntu:~$ curl --noproxy 127.0.0.1:9222
curl: no URL specified!
curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information

@allquixotic Ok, IT says VMs are forbidden, so I'll stop trying at this point.

Journeyman Geek

14:56

o0

Bob

@slhck Your first mistake was contacting IT about it :P

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slhck

@Bob Well, the machine is too slow anyway

allquixotic

@slhck oops, sorry, i mistyped

@slhck curl --noproxy 127.0.0.1 http://127.0.0.1:9222

/json or whatever

@Bob no kidding! if his IT has Bluecoat installed, I can't imagine they'd allow someone to have something nice like a Linux VM

slhck

:P

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