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@jflory7 Fedora 20 should ship out of the box with working intel graphics; I'm not sure why you felt the need to install some third party repo
yum update from the vanilla F20 repo should provide far better, more stable drivers than any third party repo
01:23
@JourneymanGeek could you fathom an NSP that has a retention of 25 years? :o
@allquixotic I do yum update all the the time to no avail.
My computer is fully updated from the base repos and the crashing still occurs.
@jokerdino bye
@jflory7 I cant help with linux stuff, but you did see the Very last post of the link allquixotic put up right? ftlgame.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17208 One person thinks they solved one issue .
@HackToHell That was from yesterday. D:
@Psycogeek Mhmm, I did that with no luck. Check the comments on his answer.
I was hoping that would fix it, but no luck :(
01:31
@MichaelFrank I slept before I could reply to him :(
@MichaelFrank: nope ;p
links run on forever :-) over here they say "Thank you Ian. Your new Linux bassmod library works great in command line using your contest.c application from earlier bassmod packages. When I try to play something in xmms, after pressing play button xmms quits with message: memory protection fault.
It looks there is some incompatibility with xmms and latest bassmod build. This happens on every module I try to play. Other module plugins work well on this xmms. Of course I remember to enable only one module plugin at a time."
and 'Oops, the BASSMOD_MusicDecode function was broken. It should be sorted again now..." ??? Sure leave that in the back somewhere where nobody see it :-)
Things i was thinking about, if this was somehow windows, was if they have what could be concidered an uncontrolled frame rate in a game. where a v-sync could be applied , and still get an adequite 60FPS. That the system goes crasy rendering frames that are not even observed. Might not be so great on a IGPU thing. And The prioritys stuff. (which was discussed in one of the links) But it aint windows.
@jflory7 your base libs on Fedora 20 may just be too new for FTL
the double free suggests some kind of heap corruption, likely not even the (direct) fault of BASS, but due to changes in your base system libs since BASS was developed
Priorities of different threads of the game, when you have something that Balks horribly , then finnaly kicks back in again, as something grabs a few cpu cycles.
since it's closed source, we can't look in there and figure out exactly what's wrong :(
they really should've used an alternative instead of that... oh well
try running the windows version under wine; that may work better ;p
01:47
@allquixotic Awwww :(
Oh well, I may just wait for the Advanced Edition to come out.
I want to say that installing a new version of PulseAudio might help, but it's extremely unlikely.......
it's unlikely because this is a complicated application with a lot of libraries and the proprietary nature of the top of the call stack (where the crash occurs) makes it hard to get any context of what went wrong
@jflory7 Is that like GOTY version? Aka well we finnaly got the bugs worked out and assembled it all in one package, This time for sure .
@Psycogeek Nope, they're almost rehauling the game. Tons of new systems, enemies, weapons, sectors, and more!
It's been in the works for a while, but there's no definite date on it
Well it was there. Overheating or excess CPU use?

From within the FTL options menu, enable the Frame Limiter and/or V-sync.
02:05
@allquixotic: hm, your computer is a p8z77 right?
could you check what your onboard ethernet card is?
(I'm having some trouble with mine and one possibility is its misidentified)
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02:39
o.O
@Bob: its apparently a common enough problem there's a tool for it
which dosen't work for me
same problem as this guy
and I get "initializeupdate failed"
or it just crashes
03:06
Best free portable computer system identifier and information tools is...?
@Boris_yo Pair of eyes stuck on a human?
I tend to like pcwizard
I USED to swear by SIW but they nerfed their free product a fair bit
03:19
@JourneymanGeek There's no free SIW any longer. It's by Gobala?
03:31
yeah
hmm, there's a dos update tool
@JourneymanGeek What about HWinfo?
03:47
you asked for a recommendation, thats what I use
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I've always used HWiNFO
the developer is pretty responsive about fixing bugs, too
04:16
I use magnifying glass Pry bar, and a piece of paper , dont trust no software , gotta read the number off the chips :-)
Assuming you can even read the stuff slightly etched into the chip, in some kind of code, on the teeny things . So happy i still keep the manuels safe.
On the boards themselves , ASUS GIGABYTE ECS INTEL ok ok i get it your thrilled with your name, But what model it is, and what revision. I think its written in under that capacitor somewheres :-)
 
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05:46
With all this wireless interferances going on, would people have been better off using wires where you Can use wires, and reserving wireless for what needed it? Is it becomming consumer par now to drop in a wireless router, then wirless stuff that is sitting 2 feet from it?
If the "more is worse" theory is true, that the more data transfers , the more pings, the more connects, makes moving stuff around slower , causes more interferance. (vrses devices there but not moving much data). Then should people have been told that it would be better for them and all your neighbors, to buy a few wires too?
Around here nobody ever turns the stuff OFF either. "once wireless always wireless". for 8 hours nobody even there to use it, off to work, all night long still going. With intel working on saving 4watts, there may be a better way? The sleeping router?
Doesnt wake up untill somone tries to hack into it :-)
06:55
@Psycogeek: wireless wake on lan on routers maybe, but that would need to be part of the standard, and would break with most current hardware
or have routers work together to reduce congestion
Yea patent it :-) the router is known to be the "solid" always on, with the find me pings. Might have to have the connecting devices magically ping something they don't know is there?
They couldnt just ping anything they saw, because that is the interfearance that is everywhere.
Could be part of security, get 2 patents :-) secure waking.
Special secret wake up typed into the device Settings. without it , it is not even fully on.
(without it it only receives)
07:49
@JourneymanGeek Please re add to circles
processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Configurable_Low_Power_WiFi Configurable Low Power WiFi is just a fancy term of Wake on Wireless Lan (WoWL). Sounds like it but the picture doesnt look like it
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08:06
See, first ever message by Journeyman geek: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/664505#664505
 
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Q: What would be the IP number of login server of Twitter?

Nime CloudWe are banned from Twitter and I discovered that we can connect using different IP addresses in our host files or local DNS servers. I've added working twitter.com & mobile.twitter.com entries to our local DNS server so we can connect from PC. However we have got problem at iPhone app. Does it us...

Turkish twitter ban? At first it sounds like the "persons" were banned for breaking rules (easy to garner a close vote).
10:36
@JourneymanGeek List the hardware ID? That works for both windows and unices.
10:58
Anyone know good docs for setting up postfix to use multiple mailaddresses in the same domain? All i can find is info for setting up for multiple domains....
11:13
@Hennes: the problem is for some reason the hardware id was set incorrectly by some update -I've confirmed that and the problem
can't seem to get the fix to work on my card
11:48
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Q: Side by side on Bartender

clive================= Begin Activation Context Generation. Input Parameter: Flags = 0 ProcessorArchitecture = Wow32 CultureFallBacks = en-US;en ManifestPath = C:\Program Files (x86)\Seagull\BarTender Suite\bartend.exe AssemblyDirectory = C:\Program Files (x86)\Seagull\BarTender Su...

wtf
o0
goddamned SO rejects
12:34
> Well, doesn't it means, theoretically, mongodb is 2 levels slower than MySQL for concurrent access?
> doesn't it means
O__o
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12:49
@OliverSalzburg ..."2 levels"?
13:09
@JourneymanGeek correct
@JourneymanGeek not at home right now, but if I recall correctly, it's a fairly advanced Realtek chip
but there would possibly be a different chipset if you have the "v2" mobo; I have the P8Z77-V v1
figures I always get the v1 stuff that's half broken and ASUS is like "sorry, ya gotta buy a new mobo if you want stuff that actually works"
@OliverSalzburg doesn't it means they're just using extremely poor grammar?
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@allquixotic Looks like the supply of cheap L5520s has dried up :(
@Bob ish -- but as people give up their rentals, they'll become available sporadically I'm sure
I at least managed to grab a pair of them (maybe not exactly L5520s, but similar) for my buddy at DediDirect
I also gave him an interest-free loan for the price of an HP tablet convertible (with attachable keyboard, kinda like a Surface Pro) running Windows 8.1 Pro (x86_64) and with built-in LTE
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@allquixotic Yea, but not at the same rate as a large number of DCs being replaced (I think that was the source?), and therefore not quite the same price.
he's going to pay me back $100/month. but he's really liking me right now :P
he had me buy him a used one because they're very expensive new, and this was a good deal with a reputable ebay seller (lots of positive feedback, very little negative) and they gave detailed description of the product and lots of pics
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@allquixotic Heh. He a good friend, I guess?
Hm. All this talk of tablets... eh, nah. My laptop serves just fine.
13:18
@Bob used to be co-developer of a hobby MMO (Micro Multiplayer Online ... -- note, not massively, because it isn't popular) with me ... now he's doing it himself... I really don't have the time to contribute
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Sometimes wish it was a little lighter, but no convertible or ultrabook will beat it at its price.
@allquixotic Oh, it was that... ugh, I forgot the name. You mentioned it before, didn't you?
known 'em for years... he's a type 1 diabetic, lost one of his legs and one of his eyes due to diabetes, but he's good with code
@Bob yeah
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@allquixotic Ouch :(
his sister kept stealing his Supplemental Security Income (SSI -- an entitlement program to help disabled people have some semblance of a life rather than being homeless) so he moved to another state and now lives with his mom, and apparently the arrangement is healthy enough that he can eat healthily and get to his dialysis treatments
evidently he lost his leg because his sister wouldn't take him to dialysis so his leg got infected when he fell on the stairs and cut it, and it got worse and worse... terrible stuff
she's really an evil person, and her fiance of many years (why they won't get married I have no idea) refuses to work even though he is healthy, he just mooches off of whoever
the guy has the worst family, I swear. but at least his mom seems like an OK person who will take care of him
he's nothing like the rest of his family. smart guy, knows C++ and VB.NET, good with complex multithreading, debugging, Direct3D, etc
we both got stumped by an 80 line inline x86 assembler routine from the code we inherited though :P neither one of us had the patience to unravel it and rewrite it
if I ever end up writing something that ugly, I'll be sure to throw in a consolatory comment, like //If you're reading this... I'm sorry. Please forgive me.
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13:38
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Trust HP to bundle software that launches 40 copies of the same process.
13:58
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Q: Is it possible to force users to go thru the Help Center before they can ask a question?

CharlieRBThere seems to be an increase in the number of people asking low quality or off-topic questions. When comments are made to get additional info or to get them to tell us what they have already tried, some people get aggravated. When I registered for another self-help type of site, I was forced t...

and I'm rarely an early adoptor
@allquixotic: ahh, then different version
I'll just throw in another card when I can, I have a load of 10/100s, and a basic gig-e card can't be that expensive
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@JourneymanGeek But it does waste a slot.
@Bob: which I'm not using anyway
or I could use a slot for a 5ghz wifi card
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wtf
MarkdownPad update:
> Fixed Network connectivity issues for users with Hyper-V network adapters
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14:17
O.O
I just realised that this is in our about page:
@Bob Indeed...
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(Stargate/Teal'c, if anyone's wondering.)
I knew that ;p
Never watched the show. I feel like I'm missing out on a reference
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14:30
He likes saying indeed.
14:44
indeed
Indeed -__-
I have no audio on my work desktop. So I'll take your word for it
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o.O
15:04
deedin
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15:42
!!tumbleweed
15:57
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Q: Is it really possible for most enthusiasts to hack people's Wi-Fi networks?

SecI heard from a trusted computer security expert that most enthusiastic users (even if they are not professionals) using only guides from Internet and specialized software (e.g. Kali Linux included tools) can break through your home router security. People claim that even if you have: strong ne...

stahp
HAMMAHTIME!
so many answers... the accepted one is good enough
16:13
@allquixotic That one answer needs more bold words
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@OliverSalzburg #***NEEDS MORE EMPHASIS***
17:21
@OliverSalzburg No it doesn't!
17:53
Who understands breadcrumbs from microdata?
18:34
@Boris_yo I do
18:53
@grawity Are you familiar with MikroTik?
Is it okay to block the user agent PHP/5.2.10? I'm seeing lots of spam attempts coming from this user agent. Will this disrupt legitimate traffic?
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@DragonLord Unlikely to.
but that's a stop-gap measure at best - faking UAs is trivial.
If you really want to stop spam, you need captcha and moderation.
Use a ReCaptcha!
Hey, GPU specs say it consumes 100w, is it per her hour? per minute?
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@LewsTherin W is Joules per second
it's a rate
19:03
Automated spamming attempts are already blocked at the CMS level. I'm trying to prevent these IPs from actually hitting the server altogether.
Oh sweet jesus, I finally got a proper desk chair!
@Bob I should probably have wiki'd that. Thanks
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for a measure of quantity, you want Watt-hours, Watt-minutes, or something like that
Most electricity bills are in kWh, or kilowatt-hours
Yeah I need to know quantity
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that means something drawing 1kW will draw 1kWh per hour
19:04
Yep, but all I know is the GPU uses 100 W
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something drawing 100W will draw 1kWh per 10 hours
or 0.1kWh per hour
@LewsTherin where does it say that?
computer power usage varies wildly with load
Let me try to find it
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and normally you don't care about quantity unless you're planning out a battery or energy consumption
@Bob Surely that depends on the game?
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the rate is important for seeing if a PSU is capable of supplying the rate
@LewsTherin ??
if it's drawing 100 W, it's drawing 100 W
if it's idling, it might not be drawing 100 W - but you gave me a rate figure, so I used it
19:06
@Bob Ok kwl. Electricity confuzzes me
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@LewsTherin ...that's max TDP, according to wikipedia
But really playing a game for 10hrs costs nothing. I have to factor in CPU and other shiz I guess.
@Bob Isn't that CPU related?
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that means it's the max amount of thermal energy (which is pretty much equivalent to electrical power going in) that can be dissipated by the chip, used for calculating cooling requirements
peak rates can actually exceed that figure, but sustained won't (cause it'll mean cooling is insufficient and it'll overheat)
According to wiki, idle TDP is 75 W
which is pretty damn high
anyway. when planning out max load, use the max TDP value as a decent starting point
Sure, thanks.
Is dissipated the right word to use here
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But not everything will hit that.
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So... wait. What was your question, @LewsTherin?
19:13
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that means it's the max amount of thermal energy (which is pretty much equivalent to electrical power going in) that can be dissipated by the chip, used for
What do you mean by dissipated?
Consumed? Wasted?
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All that electrical power going in must come back out.
@Bob: Should I use Fail2ban to block spammer UA signatures?
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Conservation of energy.
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The vast vast majority comes out as heat.
Whatever is 'consumed' by the chip is converted to heat.
(in the process it goes through transistors on the chip and makes pretty pictures on your screen and stuff)
@DragonLord shrug
again, I wouldn't rely on UA for much
you can if you want, but it's trivial to change
19:16
How does the power supply distribute the power then?
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because, at its core, it's a simple HTTP header string
Is it done at once?
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@LewsTherin it doesn't.
You can visualise components as drawing power.
Like, I dunno, the wires are straws and components are sucking power through.
(ignoring voltage and all that stuff here)
this is all completely inaccurate, but it works as an analogy
@allquixotic probably has a better analogy
anyway, components just take what they need from the power source
the power source doesn't specifically give X amount of power to Y component
@LewsTherin done at once?
Well if RAM and GPU needs power, they go to the PSU for power
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it's continuous
sub-nanosecond
@LewsTherin ...don't worry about how the power gets there
it's irrelevant
if you wanted the old water analogy, the PSU puts power on a pipe and the components open a tap on that shared pipe
19:21
Ha ha as I said me and electricity... confusion
But seriously 0.1kwh isn't what's making my electricity bills high lmao
Also can't be my CPU. 47W
I need to know the total consumption.. sigh
Total consumption of what?
your computer?
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@LewsTherin Why do you need that?
You'll almost never be running at full TDP of both CPU and GPU
I want to know how much I will spend on electricity when I move out
In this case can you tell me how to line up the following:

Home > Products > Snickers
This instead appears for me like this:

Home >
Products >
Snickers
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@LewsTherin Stick a meter between your computer and wall socket.
Power consumption varies wildly depending on what you're doing.
19:28
@LewsTherin Then you need a Kill-A-Watt
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My computer draws ~100W idle, ~200W under typical gaming load, with a max TDP of well over 300W (never hit that)
Desktop PC?
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You can't base real power consumption off max TDPs.
@DarthAndroid I will check it out thanks
Anything else is random guessing with almost no relation to actual consumption
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19:29
@DarthAndroid Or a UPS :P
Most smart UPSes can measure power consumption. And they're just generally useful :P
@Bob My UPS will tell me the active wattage draw, but not the total power consumed
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Not so much with a laptop.
@DarthAndroid Yea, but it's enough to get a good idea.
The kill-a-watt can actually track consumption I believe, and forcast consumption over the next week / month / year
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You can check it under various types of load and extrapolate.
@DarthAndroid And costs more if you already have/want a UPS :P
$30 to find real power consumption is nothing :P
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19:31
@DarthAndroid +postage (owwww)
I bet it'll be at least $50 postage, if not $100 (to here)
I didn't know UPS gave readings
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@LewsTherin the smart ones with monitoring/autoshutdown programs usually do
@LewsTherin It depends on your USP.
The cheap ones don't; the nice ones do
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(and any UPS which doesn't do that is little more than a battery... and soooo not worth it)
@DarthAndroid heck, mine was pretty cheap and it does that
Mmn good to know.
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19:33
generally, the ones with (working) monitoring/shutdown programs have at least some thought put into them
the ones that don't? often cheap crap that's little more than an analog circuit and a battery
It seems my laptop can only draw 0.18kWh
Lol, this calculation doesn't seem right.
29 cents per hr? :O
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Why not?
My laptop's power supply only supplies 90 W.
What laptop?
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'course, I can exceed that and have it start drawing from battery.
But I've yet to manage to do that.
@LewsTherin HP crap
If you draw from battery how do you exceed ?
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19:39
if I'm plugged in and I use >90W, it'll start using the battery too
Really?
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well, if it doesn't then the laptop would just shut off
I guess that makes sense if it can't draw more than 90w
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@DarthAndroid Or throttle itself.
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@LewsTherin Check your laptop's power supply. It'll specify its max power.
So in this sense the battery is like a back up?
@Bob Throttle itself?
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It's a secondary power source while plugged in.
@LewsTherin Limit the processor so that it doesn't draw too much power
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High-performance laptops are more likely to draw from battery when running intensive programs.
19:41
A 3.4GHz processor doesn't always run at 3.4GHz
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Mine's only mid... fairly beefy non-ULV i7, but weak GPU
when it doesn't need that much processing power, it actually clocks down to say... 1.0GHz
this saves on electricity
@Bob My battery is always out of my laptop. So it seems I haven't drawn more than needed so far
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@DarthAndroid Generally, GPU power consumption far outstrips CPU. Especially at the higher end.
@DarthAndroid But throttling can also mean increase the draw
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19:42
But it does depend on your workload.
@LewsTherin No. Throttling always means to pull back / lower / lessen in this context
So it has a different meaning in the context of a car?
Yes... and no.
I haven't driven a car, nor wondered at its mechanics btw
It's more that most things in the computer world are unregulated, and run at their maximum capacity unless throttled.
19:45
Ok cool.
So pretty much any instance where you are adding a throttle will lower performance to a regulated value
Can you override throttling?
For CPUs?
I don't want to that. Just wondering
want to do*
20:00
@Bob: I've added a notice to the bottom of my website:
> Notice: To protect against spam, this blog does not accept automated submissions of comments or trackbacks. Offending IP addresses may be temporarily blocked from accessing this website.
@Boris_yo That statement made no sense to me
20:17
@oli I think he means, why does it display vertically instead of horizontally.
@MichaelFrank What does that have to do with microdata though?
No idea.
I like my data supersized - I only deal in macrodata
20:34
@DragonLord Why do you block against trackbacks? Doesn't that increase your page rank?
@CanadianLuke BUT SPIDERS
@MichaelFrank he's afraid of spiders ;p
21:07
heh...
21:25
@allquixotic good to know!
22:11
@MichaelFrank farmville 3d Virtual reality?
@Psycogeek That's exactly what the guy at work said.
Do the facebook games of the online variety do some of the same things as the android games? Let you play a bit , then charge you $60 a day to really continue playing?
I tried out a few of this new idea behind a game, it is free , like a credit card :-) then you pay to play. In one of them you could wait 5 minutes every 5 minutes, to avoid the paying. "those with time have no money, those with money have no time"?
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> Disable opening RTF content in Microsoft Word
Nothing like overkill.
So, I just bought a ChromeCast. Everything works fine except ONE FUNCTION. I google for the error message and there are exactly two results. For the same thread. With zero answers.
@Psycogeek Well, it's not really a new idea. But yes, many facebook games have 'limited actions per day'.
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22:22
@MichaelFrank ...I thought Valve was working with them.
Obviously Facebork has more money.
The fees for many of the android "pay as you play" or "rob you freaking blind, before you realise how much it costs you" Is IMO a bit to high. I don't think very many people at the google store are willing to plop down $30 for a app, which might be a fee that could support the development. So they reinvent the wheel, and charge you $180 for the same app, nickle and diming you all the way.
@Psycogeek And then they gibe you daily bonuses, Better bonuses each day, to hook you into playing more and more.
Hand your kid the phone on a family trip in the car, and it used to cost ya $4-5 , now hand them your phone and a credit card, and by the time you reach your vacation spot, you will be sleeping in a tent instead of a motel. :-)
Almost every game I donwloaded in the last 6 months has a very steep difficulty curve, nearly forcing you to buy upgrades or bonus packs.
It is a one-way ticket to uninstall land.
22:35
The few i tried the game had become terribly lame, I felt that there was 3 times as much effort in the game to take my money, as there was to "entertain" and have a good gaming experience.
^---- THIS.
22:47
@ThatBrazilianGuy what function is it that does not work on your chromebook? and what is the error?
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The number of upvotes on this comment are amusing, to say the least. Especially when compared to the question and answer.
"you will be much happier with a Java IDE" I absolutely am NOT happier with a Java IDE. They suck so hard compared to Visual Studio I am crying every step of the way :( — JeremyK Jul 9 '13 at 19:32
 
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@Psycogeek Chrome Cast, not ChromeBook. I paid for a chromecast almost what you guys would pay for a chromebook.
Well, comparatively speaking at least. I paid USD 87, it could buy about 2.48 chromecasts; but while I suppose USD 35 is a price of a meal at a restaurant in the US, with BRL 200 / USD 87 I could buy about ten here.

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