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Journeyman Geek

15:00

I think its a result of convergence

Bob

A4-1250 is passmark 547, A4-5000 is passmark 1927

allquixotic

found one with an i5, but it's a bit out of the price range

Bob

The Celeron is 1442.

Journeyman Geek

phones are more powerful cause people use it as their main devices, and computers move towards lower power

allquixotic

Haswell i5, at that. it should "scream" (compared to the Celery and the A4)

Bob

15:01

Atom Z2760 is 679

allquixotic

i5-4210Y

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Not really, no.

allquixotic

2294 passmark for that baby

Bob

It's just that AMD APU chips really suck in terms of CPU performance.

allquixotic

yummy

Journeyman Geek

15:01

lol

Bob

@allquixotic Not that much higher than the Celeron, surprisingly.

I was expecting at least double.

Journeyman Geek

AMD chips tend to... suck, period

allquixotic

well, my 3770K is hitting 9657 passmark

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Intel x86 still beats ARM by a wide margin.

allquixotic

i want a little more than 1/10th of that :/

Bob

15:02

Except maybe the Tegra 4.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: or atoms

allquixotic

@Bob tegra is frightening in terms of its performance -- I think it'll continue to be the performance king on ARM for a while now. power though? !!no

Bob

@allquixotic Heck, I can't even use 1/10th of my 2600 in normal browsing :P

allquixotic

Nvidia and power efficiency don't belong in the same paragraph

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

15:03

@allquixotic Without a negative, anyway :P

allquixotic

@Bob true

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Current gen Atom is scary.

Intel Atom Z3770 @ 1.46GHz
1303

Journeyman Geek

I have a first gen one as a home server ;p

allquixotic

hmm, getting down to practicals, it looks like they want to charge you about double for a similar form factor unit with similar components but with the i5 replacing the celery

that's depressing

Bob

That Atom matches the Celeron (raw bench)

allquixotic

15:05

what does the celery hit in passmark?

1442.

1442 for 1007U vs. 2294 for i5-4210Y

price difference about $250

hmm™

Bob

oh god

zdnet.com/blog/ou/…

I think the comments gave me cancer

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

> That's funny for not helping much how is it
That the idle power consumptions are IDENTICAL.

sooo.... 160 == 192?

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

> Tell me, how is that a bad thing? Ever watch cpu usage when running your computer. Your "Big story" is, smaller cores use less power. DUH!!!!! When AMD ramps up the same fab size your story will be AMD FINALLY CATCHES UP TO INTEL. I'll reiterate what I said in another thread. You are an INTEL fanboy. You have a personal INTEL computer from the last generation of chips when you should have been using an AMD, since AMD has been the superior cost and power performer for 2 years. Not Intel will be ahead for.. 4 months, 6 months? Something like that.

calls someone else a fanboy

yeaaaaaaa

hehe... looking on the "same fab size" and "catching up" comments from 8 years in the future... this is funny

Journeyman Geek

15:10

"and if you believe that, I have a directional ethernet cable to sell you!"

2

Bob

wtf is this SDP shit

Canadian Luke

15:31

clientsfromhell.net/post/80459409332/…

allquixotic

went with a Pentium N3520 because it was what the store had, and has a passmark that's faster than the Celery 1017U (and honestly I was pretty confident that the 1017U would be able to satisfy the use case)

1847 passmark score on it. not 1/5th bad :P (joke is in reference to it being about 1/5th the performance of my 3770K)

cpubenchmark.net/… :P

i need Perfor-Mints™ to put in my mouth which, while effervescing, beams helpful performance-enhancing wireless energy into your laptop to make it run faster

Bob

@allquixotic 7.5W? O.O

That's lower than the Celeron!

That pretty much matches the AMD!

allquixotic

@Bob that's probably average, not TDP. 7.5W is like, smartphone grade

Bob

With something like 4x better performance, too.

@allquixotic Intel says max

allquixotic

@Bob Ark says it's a bay trail

what the hell is a bay trail

ohhhhhhhhh

Bob

15:43

@allquixotic Atom, normally.

allquixotic

it's an ATOM, branded as a pentium

fascinating

and it's a rather high-end atom i guess, judging from the perf

Bob

@allquixotic 4-core Atom o.O

> Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡
Yes

:S

No AES-NI, though. The AMD chip has it.

@allquixotic notebookcheck.net/…

> The Intel Pentium N3520 is a power efficient quad-core SoC for entry-level notebooks.

An x86 SoC in full laptops. Wow.

allquixotic

well, 11.6" laptops

Bob

True. The line has kinda blurred.

allquixotic

I'm just impressed that it can get up to that kind of a passmark score -- that's telling me it's almost an i3 at this point, except maybe clocked down and less graphics power

Bob

15:46

@allquixotic And clocked pretty high, too, for such a low TDP.

allquixotic

but definitely way out of the league of those AMD APUs, and way out of the league of a Celeron 1007U

some of those had less than a 1000 passmark score

Bob

I wonder how far desktop CPUs are from being called a SoC

the IO controllers are all already in there

allquixotic

and honestly, even if the single thread performance on that atom is abysmal, I'm fine with that, because the use case pretty much dictates running a lot of threads... I haven't analyzed FF's thread usage recently but I'd guesstimate it probably has at least 4 threads doing something-ish every once in a while

Bob

I guess they already can be

allquixotic

rendering, network, JS... that's 3 right there

Bob

15:48

@allquixotic JS still locks up a full core at times

allquixotic

@Bob to be a proper system on chip, I think you need networking in the CPU.

Bob

(or dealing with 800 tabs)

@allquixotic Oh, forgot about that.

allquixotic

most SoCs that I've heard called a SoC have their networking on-die

or at least on-package

Bob

But, then, how can phone SoCs be considered such?

Isn't the mobile radio separate? I have no clue.

allquixotic

@Bob good point, but most modern phone SoCs have the networking on-package at least

on-die vs on-package is a hairline distinction from an end-user or even system integrator's perspective; it only really matters to hardware engineers

what you see when you look at it is a single discrete chip that "does everything"

surrounded by a small amount of green board with caps and such

Bob

15:50

@allquixotic *restrictions may apply

allquixotic

but that green board is kinda dumb, it doesn't contain any real logic

there is "real" logic in things like the NAND controller (or the SATA disk firmware, whatever) that can't be avoided. touchscreen sensors too

Bob

Oh yea. PCs still have separate audio, as well.

allquixotic

but those are smart peripherals and they're always going to have their own die for whatever they do

I think if you count the number of integrated circuits in a system, the answer is almost never going to be 1, no matter how discrete and SoC and miniaturized the system is

so it's probably a matter of semantics to decide what constitutes a SoC system and what doesn't

one of the big requirements (necessary but not sufficient) for a SoC, imho, is that the RAM and CPU are not field-replaceable by someone without a soldering iron and a background in hardware engineering (at least; perhaps even more than that)

you've never heard of someone upgrading the RAM in their smartphone, or swapping out the Snapdragon 600 for an 800

HackToHell

@allquixotic Nope, the generic Chinese one

allquixotic

@HackToHell oh yea

HackToHell

15:55

@jokerdino I kinda fell asleep last night, after sending you the hi :P

allquixotic

heh, even wikipedia gets SoC wrong:

> A system on a chip or system on chip (SoC or SOC) is an integrated circuit (IC) that integrates all components of a computer or other electronic system into a single chip.

all components of a computer? what about the NAND controller (smartphone) / hard disk controller (laptop)? what about those many "SoCs" that come with a separate die for the cellular baseband??

Bob

@allquixotic What about the PSU? :P

allquixotic

does that mean you no longer have a SoC if your phone happens to have, say, a Qualcomm baseband that's physically separate from the CPU?

Bob

@allquixotic Probably no hard definition.

Really, it's almost a marketing term on par with 'cloud'

allquixotic

@Bob true

there could be a "SoCiness" spectrum though :D

Core i7-3770K: extremely low to no SoCiness

Snapdragon 600: extremely high to guaranteed SoCiness

Bob

15:57

@allquixotic Hey, we need a 'cloudiness' spectrum. It'll range from sunny to thunderstorm.

allquixotic

Atoms, Bay Trail, etc would be in a gray area

Bob

@allquixotic Makes me wonder - what does an Atom integrate that an iX doesn't?

Heck, the RAM isn't integrated in most phone SoCs, IIRC.

WUT

Galaxy J

beefed up S4

HackToHell

UI looks a bitsy different

or is it just a different wallpaper

Bob

idk, I use Nova

HackToHell

I too use Nova, though I have no idea why I like it over Apex

allquixotic

16:03

@Bob the platform controller hub, right?

Core processors have a separate PCH on the motherboard that contains an enormous amount of logic for general purpose system operation

on most things that are considered a SoC, the roles the PCH plays are on-package or on-die with the CPU

Bob

@allquixotic I actually don't know what exactly that thing does.

Wait, is the SATA controller still part of it?

Oh yea, also handles some graphics stuff. My P67 is lacking that.

allquixotic

@Bob the platform controller hub does a lot of stuff -- SATA, real time clock, USB, and on systems that support it, VT-D also known as the IOMMU

Bob

Ah.

allquixotic

I think the general trend is to move the average consumer use cases of web browsing, email and office productivity (and video, now) more and more into higher SoCiness systems, more mobile systems, lighter systems, lower TDP systems. but a lot of forces are pushing against SoCiness on high end, performance-sensitive systems.

the primary anti-SoCiness factor, as I see it, is thermal dissipation

take a 45W-or-higher TDP CPU+iGPU and try tossing things like voltage regulation (which was thrown out of the core on Haswell!), SATA controller, networking, USB, etc. on top of it in that same tight confined space, and you aren't going to be able to build an economical, small, cooling solution of any sort that will be able to handle that thermal load

there's just no way -- too many hot ICs in a small space

and even if you did try to build it, you would really need to make the peripheral functions (SATA, USB, wifi, whatever) built with the same fab size as your CPU, which increases cost significantly -- one of Intel's secrets to keeping motherboard and CPU costs down on non SoC systems has been to use 5+ year old fabs (45nm, 65nm) to make their PCH

you'll get less mileage per cubic unit of IC volume, or more heat dissipation for the same performance, if you use higher fab sizes for the peripheral ICs -- in an environment where you're running those functions less than a millimeter away from the main CPU, you can't do them in 45nm; you'd have to use 22nm, just like the CPU. price++

Bob

@allquixotic Thrown out? Apparently it was only added in Haswell?

allquixotic

16:12

@Bob no, the voltage regulator was moved into the CPU package in Ivy, and removed in Haswell

Bob

@allquixotic Sure about that? extremetech.com/computing/…

allquixotic

or am i going crazy

Bob

> One of the biggest additions in Haswell is the full integration of the voltage regulator onto the CPU die.

eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1263259

> Intel will pack a voltage regulator on to its next generation Haswell processor

allquixotic

OH

Bob

hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/05/13/2249209/…

allquixotic

16:13

it's Broadwell that they're kicking it out on.

Broadwell (microarchitecture)

Broadwell is Intel's codename for the 14 nanometer die shrink of its Haswell microarchitecture, following the Intel's tick-tock principle as the next step in semiconductor fabrication. Broadwell will adopt the Multi-Chip Package (MCP) design. The new layout might also move the integrated voltage regulator (IVR) off-die and back onto the motherboards, in an attempt to reduce the CPU's heat production. Broadwell will be used in conjunction with Intel 9 Series chipsets. Expected variants Broadwell is expected to be launched in four major variants: * LGA 1150 socket: ** Broadwell-D: deskt...

Bob

> Haswell incorporates a refined VRM on-die

allquixotic

> The new layout might also move the integrated voltage regulator off-die

Bob

@allquixotic Yea, in for Haswell, back out for Broadwell? :P

allquixotic

@Bob eeeexactly

Bob

Might be for the same reasons the first article discussed (which is what you mentioned)

allquixotic

16:14

I thought it was in for IVB, out for Haswell. one gen too old

Bob

I'll probably still be on Sandy in 5 years.

allquixotic

o_O

for real?

Bob

Unless something fails? Why not.

I'm nowhere near maxing it out.

allquixotic

I can't see Sandy being adequate in 5 years -- I think base requirements for web apps et al will continue to climb

Bob

The only benefit would be power consumption.

allquixotic

16:15

sure, JS engines will get faster as they micro-optimize better, but web apps will start to brazenly use WebGL

Bob

@allquixotic As long as multithreadedness becomes a thing, it'll do juuust fine.

@allquixotic Isn't WebGL GPU-accelerated?

allquixotic

@Bob yes, but there's a significant CPU overhead to OpenGL

not as much as D3D, but still nonzero

Bob

@allquixotic Considering my Sandy can hope with intensive fullscreen D3D games, I doubt it'll be an issue.

allquixotic

actually the lowest overhead OpenGL API is 4.4; WebGL is currently standardized to do something like OpenGL ES 2.1, which is a far cry from that in terms of overhead

Bob

Again, the only disadvantage I can see (apart from peripherals) is power consumption.

allquixotic

16:17

@Bob 800 tabs of WebGL = death

Bob

@allquixotic I only have 20 active at a time now.

Massive memory leak in one extension :\

@allquixotic Remember, though, that a lot more are targeting mobile devices.

It's a fair bet that my desktop will still beat mobile devices 5, maybe 10 years into the future.

allquixotic

@Bob well, whatever; "I have a high-end desktop processor that I expect to be effective for web browsing for 10 years after its release" isn't the craziest thing I've ever heard... but you may start to feel the performance bottleneck if you install modern desktop apps near the end of the lifecycle

Bob

Efficiency will have to grow by a lot with battery limitations, and we're approaching the limits of fab size.

@allquixotic Yea. I'll upgrade when I need to.

I don't see a need for the next few years.

At this point, it's only two years old...

allquixotic

@Bob I think mobile devices in 10 years will absolutely obliterate your Sandy Bridge desktop if they're fully clocked, but they will be intentionally underclocked and prevented from using their full potential almost all the time because to do otherwise would drain the battery in 30 minutes... the limitation of mobile in the 2020s will be batteries, not ICs

Bob

@allquixotic Exactly my reasoning :P

@allquixotic fully clocked => not a mobile chip

simple as that

the only difference between desktop and mobile CPUs is the mobile one is optimised for efficiency

you can optimise for performance

jokerdino

16:20

@HackToHell hah, its alright

Bob

but then it's not much of a mobile chip

allquixotic

well. clocking is just a firmware/microcode thing, so they could technically ship mobile SoCs that are capable of draining their own battery in 15 minutes flat, but just warn the user a lot before letting them get into that zone of TDP

or require root to do it

Bob

@allquixotic Don't forget cooling.

HackToHell

@jokerdino And I have my maths internals tomorrow :(

jokerdino

@HackToHell lol good luck

Bob

16:21

I accept that a full-powered CPU even three years down the line could likely 'obliterate' my Sandy.

But, again, I'm nowhere near maxing it out as it is.

jokerdino

@HackToHell anyway, to quickly keep you updated, we think it is good to make the app using JavaScript + Qt5

are you good with JS?

HackToHell

I know JS

I think ~~I know JS~~

Bob

I've run P4s and C2Ds three-four years later with few issues - and modern CPUs have outpaced software's needs by a far wider margin.

jokerdino

that's great then. I emailed you the mockup.

HackToHell

yeah, I saw that

jokerdino

16:23

all right. i be going off for meal.

allquixotic

@Bob I've seen CPU consumption ramp up pretty steadily over the past few years, even for things like Office, and Visual Studio, and JS-heavy sites... I don't disagree that with a little bit of patience an older system will continue to be OK into the future, but it'll lose its luster and snappiness

you'd have to run a lightweight Linux desktop to escape things like the ever-increasing parade of background services in successive Windows releases

Bob

@allquixotic I'll likely run W7 until I replace the whole machine.

allquixotic

services services services... more and more daemons, more and more threads, more CPU wakeups, more update checkers, more background self-healing stuff, and then all the background Metro maintenance stuff in Win8/8.1

Bob

OS upgrades are a pain

allquixotic

@Bob that's actually an extremely sensible idea from the perspective of saving your performance

I wouldn't recommend running Windows 9 on a SNB any more than I'd recommend running Windows 8.1 on a P4

Bob

16:26

At some point, when I need the new stuff, I'll get it.

If it's particularly good, then maybe soon.

At this point, Ivy and Haswell have been mostly minor increments, to me.

CPU performance went up. But not enough to really make a difference with my current use.

I've offloaded some of the crazier build/rendering jobs (of which there wasn't much) to that dedi anyway.

Hm... actually, I could easily get a new Haswell i7 CPU + mobo with a year of that dedi's fees.

allquixotic

@Bob desktop performance increases have been leveling off for the mainstream CPUs anyway, mainly because if you look at the % area of the die consumed by the iGPU in mainstream Intel procs, the GPU is eating more and more with each successive generation

although if you look at the enthusiast, non-iGPU procs, there are very notable improvements from Sandy-E to Ivy-E to Haswell-E

Bob

@allquixotic And I'm using a dGPU that still beats the iGPUs by plenty, so that's not too attractive.

The main benefit comes back to power consumption.

At some point, I'll save in the long term with a more efficient machine. But that time has not yet come.

allquixotic

if you were considering a CPU upgrade that would give you an extremely long time between upgrades (enormous future-proofing), I'd say an Ivy-E or (if you wait) Haswell-E would give you that 10 year service life you've been looking for

Bob

@allquixotic I really should be using an -E. My mobo doesn't even support an iGPU :|

allquixotic

at higher upfront cost of course, but without that iGPU eating your die for breakfast, you've secured your performance edge for years and years

Bob

16:30

@allquixotic Heck, I should be able to hold out for a Broadwell-E

But with the way dual-GPU on desktop is going, an iGPU might actually be useful.

allquixotic

and you can of course incrementally upgrade your dGPU if you really feel you can't keep up FPS in AAA gaming

without having to shell out for a new mobo and ram and CPU

Bob

Here's hoping for mobile-style switchable graphics on desktop.

allquixotic

@Bob they tried (with Virtu MVP), and failed horribly; they need tighter integration between the iGPU and the dGPU for that to really work out

Bob

@allquixotic It works reasonably well with mobile GPUs.

allquixotic

and direct collaboration on the driver architecture, too, not some bandaid with a hacked d3d9.dll

@Bob well mobile actually did it right

Bob

16:32

@allquixotic There's no reason they can't do the same on desktop.

allquixotic

the best mobile hybrid graphics have been with the same CPU and GPU vendor; AMD Enduro and Nvidia Optimus. in the Optimus case, the entire design of the whole system (CPU+GPU+mobo) is engineered collaboratively by Intel and Nvidia, and the drivers are designed to work with each other

in the Enduro case, it's a full AMD stack from soup to nuts

Bob

Virtu's problem is it isn't really supported by the dGPUs.

allquixotic

@Bob true

Bob

Mobile-space's switchable is primarily implemented by the dGPU vendors anyway.

allquixotic

@Bob I don't think they see a business case for it. most people who want that type of thing on a desktop buy two discrete GPUs :P

Bob

16:33

@allquixotic Again, power consumption :P

allquixotic

and really, as a consumer interested in good value and high performance, you'll get neither from a mainstream processor

the -E is where it's at, I mean it, lol

my next upgrade is definitely going to be an -E

Bob

'course, nVidia and AMD are more interested in making their GPUs more power efficient anyway.

@allquixotic Haswell?

@Sathya's on a roll.

allquixotic

can that please be deleted...

i don't care if it's on GFSE itself

i don't much like it being in here

Bob

@allquixotic Surprisingly, my AMD dGPU and Intel CPU on my laptop cooperate fairly well.

@allquixotic Hm. I can actually move messages.

I just need a destination :P

allquixotic

@Bob move it to one of the many trash rooms :P

there are several, IIRC

Bob

16:36

@allquixotic I think I'd need to be owner there too.

allquixotic

maybe that's why there are so many trash rooms

one per room owner LOL

Bob

@allquixotic You can move it too :P

Sathya

who else wants the gfse feed removed?

allquixotic

i love the gfse feed, in general

i don't like that particular message being displayed on my screen while i'm at work, that's all

keep the feed coming; almost every message is funny and entertaining and is a good fit for RA

Stack Exchange

Sathya has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

allquixotic

16:38

that message... a bit over the top

oh, did you move it to tickers?

Sathya

@allquixotic yes

Bob

Doesn't really feel right as a ticker (a bit too detached from conversation flow, and temporary) :\

Ah well.

allquixotic

@Sathya well, I'm glad it's still in the room, but I don't think moving it out of the onebox is necessary just because of that one particularly lurid post

we love GFSE, except when it makes us go "eek!" at work. lol :D

Sathya

okay, I'll move it back to regular

allquixotic

thank you! :D

Stack Exchange

16:41

Sathya has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

allquixotic

keep it coming! it really is fun

Bob

@Sathya Thanks.

jokerdino

it's back!

Bob

...wow

two people got hit by lightning

jokerdino

O_o

Bob

16:43

and one guy got sucked down a storm drain

Sathya

@allquixotic cheers, I'll be mindful of the nfsw content

Bob

floods

I'm glad I left early today :S

allquixotic

@Sathya thanks! :D

Sathya

@Bob oh wow

Bob

@Sathya Happens quite often here, actually :(

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Q: Intel 3150 officially won't support OpenGL 2.0 for Windows so how come I read it can for Linux?

Intel 3150 officially doesn't support OpenGL 2.0 for Windows. However I read it can for Linux? Is there some miracle way to get the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator to support OpenGL 2.0 in Windows 7 Ultimate (32-bit)?

...that graphics adapter is from first-gen Atoms o.O

annnd it has spam, if anyone wants a free flag

dumbass spammed the same post twice

allquixotic

16:47

hmm, 3150, is that the PowerVR IP?

Bob

@allquixotic Huh?

Intel GMA

The Intel Graphics Media Accelerator, or GMA, is a series of integrated graphics processors introduced in 2004 by Intel, replacing the earlier Intel Extreme Graphics series and being succeeded by the Intel HD Graphics series. This series targets the market of low-cost graphics solutions. The products in this series are integrated onto the motherboard, have limited graphics processing power, and use the computer's main memory for storage instead of a dedicated video memory. They are commonly found on netbooks, low-priced laptops and desktop computers, as well as business computers which...

allquixotic

@Bob old Intel Atoms had "Poulsbo" PowerVR SGX proprietary graphics IP from Imagination Technologies in them, a completely different IP from the Intel GMA series mainline

Bob

Oh.

allquixotic

at the time it was developed, they were more advanced in terms of their functionality/performance-per-watt than the Intel GMA contemporaries

Bob

No, the 3150 is an Intel one

allquixotic

16:49

yeah, just search for PowerVR in that wiki article to see the list of chips that were based on it

Bob

@allquixotic superuser.com/questions/732948/… selenium, anyone? :P

allquixotic

!!yes

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

Actually, I'm not certain you can set multiple scripts to start at once (from the builder extension).

at least, not without exporting to a full program and running that

allquixotic

@Bob well, you could use Selenium in Ruby (since it's lightweight, easy and accessible to use/learn), and spin up phantomjs or htmlunit or even six separate instances of firefox each running their own temporary profile; login; type the message; hit send automatically.... you wouldn't even need more than one ruby process

just six Selenium WebDriver instances

you could use one instance if you wanted to send the mails from the same account but it sounds like he wants to use separate accounts

Bob

16:59

@allquixotic Yea, I actually did that with C# and NUnit last time :P

allquixotic

unless you need them to be sent at extremely close to exactly the same time (it won't be exact no matter what you do because of thread scheduling), you could even do it all in a single thread. loop through each webdriver and hit the send button

Bob

@allquixotic Also, networking delays.

allquixotic

yeah, i mean you will probably be able to get them all sent within the same 30-second window, but closer than that is hard to guarantee

> ATTN: Sean LastnameRedacted,

Support Ticket #Masked has been updated

Description:
Hi Sean, I apologize for the delay in response for this as I was looking at the issue and forgot to respond. The problems look like its related to some inbound DDoS attacks with a client sharing your cabinet. We have removed them sorry for the inconvenience.

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Vee LastnameRedacted
Operation Manager
[email protected]

stop hosting people that other people have a good reason to DDoS! :P

Bob

@allquixotic o.O

So, you did end up getting a DD box?

What happened to the Hetzner one?

(And how is DD?)

allquixotic

17:14

@Bob still have it

Bob

Hm, these are quite nice: webhostingtalk.com/…

> HP BL460C Dual X5150, 16GB, 500GB - $20/mo

allquixotic

have a very cheap low end DD box and much higher end Hetzner box

Bob

@allquixotic So... what's the DD box for?

allquixotic

@Bob a buddy :P

Bob

Ah.

allquixotic

17:16

now that Mr. DDoS Victim is gone, DD is fine :)

Bob

lol

haven't had any issues with WI yet

hm

considering converting AUD => USD and holding it there, in case it drops again

allquixotic

what % of public inet traffic is ddos i wonder

Bob

@allquixotic Do you want to include general botnet chatter?

allquixotic

sure ;d

Bob

Probably quite high :P

This time next month, a good chunk of XP machines might join them.

3

allquixotic

17:19

LOL

you know what would be awesome

if the black market is saving up loads of zero-day attacks on XP for when the critical updates go away

updates go away --> exploits land --> everyone who isn't paying MSFT heinous fees per seat gets owned

it'll be... the... XPocalypse :D

2

i should trademark that term quickly

Canadian Luke

I thought it was just China getting support for XP?

allquixotic

xpocalypse2014.com

beat me to it :(

Canadian Luke

Wow...

GFSE

18:48

http://gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com/post/80594337016
gemsfromstackexchange
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Braiam

just who broke it?

Canadian Luke

19:01

@Braiam I believe @Sathya did

Braiam

The wheel of blame says is C# fault... I believe it

Canadian Luke

@Braiam We need a wheel like that for SU

Darth Android

With all the mod names?

Canadian Luke

19:17

No, no, just Sathya's... shifts eyes

Michael Frank

19:29

@JourneymanGeek, Have you got any experience with the Pilot Iroshizuku fountain pen ink?

Boris_yo

Drummer reminds me emperor sixth

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Canadian Luke

19:42

TIL that Microsoft doesn't allow filenames that start with numbers when uploading files to verify someone's attachment to a school

allquixotic

20:30

Thanks for your cooperation. I entered three t s in http urls because I didn't have enough reputations for asking my question. — Daniel 2 mins ago

-_-

Michael Frank

Boris_yo

@allquixotic ?

@MichaelFrank What is this picture?

Michael Frank

@Boris_yo It's from Jurassic Park.

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank I?

Michael Frank

@Boris_yo Yea

Boris_yo

20:41

@MichaelFrank III sucked a bit

But I like Jeff Goldblum

Oliver Salzburg

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Q: I can read from /dev/null; how to fix it?

I read the Wikipedia article on /dev/null and was playing around by moving files to /dev/null. For this I created a test_file and put some contents in it: $ touch test_file $ echo "This is written by Aditya" > test_file $ cat test_file This is written by Aditya Thereafter I tried to move the ...

udev

Wow. What a horror story :D

Michael Frank

@CanadianLuke lol @ sud echo "Hello World!" > /dev/sda

sudo echo "Hello World!" > /dev/sda? — Canadian Luke 4 mins ago

Canadian Luke

I was thinking about it when I saw that question on the weekend... But I didn't think it was appropriate until now :)

@OliverSalzburg Buy enough land (on TSTO)?

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke I need to buy all of it!

But the game keeps crashing all the time :(

If I open the game right now, it will crash right away. I have to start it like 10 times, then it might work. Then I send Homer and/or Lisa on a few cleanup jobs, it crashes again

Canadian Luke

20:58

@OliverSalzburg I'm noticing crashing with every other game on my phone. What do you use for a keyboard?

Oliver Salzburg

@CanadianLuke SwiftKey

Canadian Luke

Was it built in? Or a download?

Oliver Salzburg

TSTO is really the only thing crashing on my phone. I don't get it. It's always the same stack as well :P

@CanadianLuke Download. I purchased it a few years ago

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