Root Access

allquixotic

17:00

@DarthAndroid then he has to GC across the entire 512-bit virtual address space of reality

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic I still need to play the last Deus Ex..

Boris_yo

@allquixotic It would replace HDTVs

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa Human Revolution?

HR is good, but not as good as Deus Ex 1

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah, I played IW years ago

allquixotic

way better than DX2 though

Jimmy Hoffa

17:00

I don't suspect anything will be better than 1..

(though, holy crap that game was long)

allquixotic

it gets back to DX's roots a bit, does its own thing a bit, introduces some new content and ideas that mesh well with current events and contemporary controversial discussions (gene manipulation etc), strays away a little bit from the sentient AI theme, and the endgame sucks, but the majority of the play-through is actual Deus Ex through and through

I'd place it almost equidistant between DX1 and DX2 in terms of how good it is

it's as much better than DX2 as it is worse than DX1

story/plot/thematics/idea-wise, anyway

graphics-wise, it clearly wins over all the previous games

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Which I will get to appreciate now.

Boris_yo

DX uses Unreal Engine I but the only game on such engine I can play is UT'99

Jimmy Hoffa

I've been trying to convince myself to work through IW again before going to it just to remember the whole universe

allquixotic

gameplay-wise, in terms of the choices it gives you, it's amazing -- at least as good as DX1 in terms of the game mechanics, the different ways of solving problems, etc

it's a very good FPS as far as shooting, enemy AI... it's a very good RPG game-mechanically speaking as far as upgrades to your powers and weapons... and the stealth mechanics, taking alternate paths, etc. are better than in DX1

so... story -- a bit of regression from DX1, but not enough to really matter, even to a hardcore fan. graphics -- amazing. gameplay -- amazing.

highly recommend

@JimmyHoffa I'm embarrassed to say the first password I used for my university email way back in the forgotten early 2000's (won't say exact year) was bionicman

if you get the reference, you rock

I also confess to using the term "pre-millennial" more than once

I wanted ORRANGE!

that's one thing DX:HR has considerably less of than DX1

humor

it takes itself a bit too seriously at times

Jimmy Hoffa

17:13

@allquixotic Heh awesome. Yeah, I remember being so unbelievably excited when I heard DX2 was slated, though I'm easy to please so I was less disappointed than many but it was still obviously no DX1...

Boris_yo

I always hesitated to pronounce Deus Ex in front of people back in the day because it sounded like Deu Sex.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Boris_yo That's not how it's pronounced

Boris_yo

@JimmyHoffa Okay give me reference to voice over.

How? Dius Ix?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Boris_yo it's latin, day-us ex

Boris_yo

@JimmyHoffa Still sex is heard in the end. Pronounce it repeatedly but fast and you will hear. Type "deus ex" in Google Translate and click on voice over.

Jimmy Hoffa

17:15

Deus ex machina (disambiguation)

Deus ex machina Latin term, literally meaning "God from the machine" and used to indicate "a person or event which provides a sudden, unexpected solution to a story". Deus ex machina may also refer to: Music * Deus ex Machina (composition) a composition for piano and orchestra by composer Michael Daugherty * Deus ex Machina (Liv Kristine album) * Deus Ex Machinae (album), a 2004 album by Machinae Supremacy * Deus Ex Machina (album), a 1989 album by Paul Schütze * The Deus Ex Machina Cycle, an album by Elodie Lauten * Deus ex Machina (band), an Italian jazz-rock band * Deus Ex Machina...

@Boris_yo fair point heh

Boris_yo

@JimmyHoffa Yes it is term used in movies too. Like in Matrix Revolutions when everybody thought it is the end of Zion and Smith becomes powerful that allows Neo to negotiate with machines?

Boris_yo

17:31

There are video games with alternate endings that allow player to determine specific ending by last action he makes in final level. Such games have low replay value because you just load saved game near its end and change your action to see different ending. But there are also games that determine their ending according to course of actions player takes throughout whole game. This one has high replay value because you have to start from scratch and act differently throughout the game.

Jimmy Hoffa

I think the only game I've replayed significantly (since I was a kid, I mean when you're 10 you can replay duke nukem 1 SO MANY TIMES like whoa) was morrowind...

Darth Android

@Boris_yo The problem with many of those games (Bioshock 2) is that the choices are often obvious, and their results apparent.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid You mean alternate endings and alernate endings are predictable?

Jimmy Hoffa

@DarthAndroid It's a trick for the game designers though, because there's an amount of you don't want to give the users choices where they want outcome A and they get outcome B in some scenarios. Imagine somebody playing KOTOR and wanting to be a good person only to get to the end and find out they made a wrong decision somewhere and are forced into being an evil sith or something, that could really make your player angry at your game

Darth Android

To a degree; I mean more that the choices have "obviously morally right" and "obviously morally wrong" choices.

Jimmy Hoffa

17:40

but making it too obvious loses a lot of the suspension of belief and engagement

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Not sure what you mean exactly here but my point was the end cutscenes that vary depending on choices made. Even if they are predictable, I still want to see that cool looking animated outro movie I was playing hard for.

Darth Android

@Boris_yo I mean in Bioshock 2 for example, you are often given the choice over whether to kill a boss you just beat, or spare them.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Good karma vs. bad karma. Both have 2 different ending movies I would love to watch.

Jimmy Hoffa

@DarthAndroid But in System Shock 2 you are often given the choice over whether to just effing die, or fight and live!

Darth Android

@Boris_yo I'd much rather see morally ambiguous choices that are actually difficult

Boris_yo

17:43

I like non-linear game that offer many choices.

Darth Android

This is mostly what I'm talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=6_KU3lUx3u0

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Lack of originality in choices? It has always been either good or bad?

jokerdino

Would it be alright if I blog a little about commandline task manager taskwarrior on blog.SU?

Darth Android

@Boris_yo It's not lack of originality that bothers me, it's that I instantly understand the meaning of the choice I just made.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid You are talking specifically end-game choices or throughout game? Because end-game choices is about ending cutscenes to be made and throughout game choices are about game content. I don't know which is better when company want's to save money. Will end-game cutscenes cost more to develop than game content?

Darth Android

17:54

@Boris_yo Minimize costs or maximize profits?

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid First. Less choices, less content to make, less work for developers.

Darth Android

You can minimize costs by not making a game.

Cost is $0

For me, ending cutscenes are meaningless without having meaningful choices that lead to them.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid When you have choice of adding more in-game content and paying more to developers or not adding more content and pay less to developers. Like a game with 50 quests vs. a game with 30 quests.

Darth Android

I say more content is better. Bethesda + Fallout + Oblivion + Skyrim make that argument quite clearly

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid But Fallout 3 has linear choices. That's what is bad?

Darth Android

17:59

it's not linear choices that are bad

it's the fact that I understand their meaning at first glance.

If I can look at a moral choice in a game and see "This is the right thing do to" and "this is the wrong thing to do" amongst the options, then it's uninteresting.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Oh you want more mind-challenging game? That's what it's all about? You want puzzles that you don't know what will lead to?

Darth Android

I want choices that sit and make me think. Not puzzles. Morally ambiguous choices.

(seriously, watch that video I linked )

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Choices that NEO made in Matrix 2 and 3? They were ambiguous.

Darth Android

@Boris_yo I would say so. I found them interesting.

To a degree, self-sacrifice is less ambiguous than sacrificing someone else for the good of the many, but it still plays out interestingly enough.

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid Yep they are unpredicatable. Watching movies 1st time you could not see how will they impact movie further. And when Neo met with Architect, he found no useful choice there. That's when he made choice by himself when he decided to travel to machines' city. No one was expecting this and what is to come. He wasn't given that choice, he made it.

Psycogeek

18:13

Anybody know of a location that sells half-pipe clip on fins for heat pipes? like say a heat pipe experimenters location?

Take like this type of thing, after installing it, it would be nice to set in some really LOW very tight to the cpu extra fins right on the heat pipes.

I have done a similar thing before with some copper, where the lowest , and most close to the cpu area had extra hand made (pain in the butt) fins, that drops the temps early, an so therfore drops the temps with a faster transient. Just like this thing , fans were pushing air all around that area, it was just a matter of spreading it out some.

--Nobody is going to want to install it with this stuff, and nobody would know where to put them prior to install. so having little skirt clips on chunks would be a perfect item to add in after everything is installed.

jokerdino

@bob @Paul I have built ghost.org locally. It is looking nice and fine so far. Nothing too fancy and everything just works.

I'll probably use it like a local markdown editor though :P

Psycogeek

18:58

oh man dont tell me i have to invent heat sink clips too. if i do they are going to have Leds on them :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

19:14

@Psycogeek Because everything's better with LEDs; even non-moving paper-clip doohickyjiggers?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek If you have designed heat clips, can you ask appropriate factory to make you these? I guess custom order is expensive.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo albia wants to make thing like that for cheap, using thier wizz bang computerised metal machine. but things like that take time, and time, and plans and cad drawings .

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Who's albia?

Psycogeek

oh alibaba.com sure and the 40 thieves.

alibaba.com/product-gs/639096778/LED_heat_sink/showimage.html

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Updated website they have now. They want to make their own inhouse made stuff?

Psycogeek

19:24

There used to be "component" heat sinks for stuff like electrolytic capacitors.

those would be about the right size

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I always called these radiators. I thought fan always seats on top. They are made from aluminum?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo sure radiators, but i just want some fins, in a circular wrap around.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Are you sure there are available with more fins? Don't they have standard model to follow?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo alibaba is just global connection to china manufactures

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek It's eBay's brother?

Psycogeek

19:28

@Boris_yo lol not quite, more like DHgate brother.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek They are similar I see. Which is more recognized?

Psycogeek

Minimum quantity: 500 kgs per shape

hmm, that might just be to much weight for the motherboard :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek And your desktop. Maybe you could sell to others who need more fins?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo yup, right back to design , create have made in china , take 2 months, out of pocket costs, re-sale in lots. when all i wanted was a cookie.

Boris_yo

Heck install fish fins.

Psycogeek

19:36

and then they will want them made in copper and alum, in 3 sizes, etc

some kind of spiral all purpose one, that you weave around the pipe, has some flexability, weighs little, and makes good contact

So far i tried Braiding some thin copper. doesnt make good contact. needs a circle at the base of them. Just over 180* type.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Psycogeek Have you tried blowing on it really hard for a while? I bet that'd work

Psycogeek

@JimmyHoffa yes, but the compressor runs out of air quick :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Psycogeek so overclock it or something

Psycogeek

@JimmyHoffa I did, blew a seal. they were not kidding when they said 100Psi limit :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

@Psycogeek So lower the PSI and connect the intake to water or olive oil

Psycogeek

19:46

^ capacitor coolers

Jimmy Hoffa

@Psycogeek oo I like this... but does it have a pipe for an olive oil vein?

Darth Android

Ugh, I hate that the reputation cap resets at GMT+0

Answered a question yesterday evening and it exploded overnight, and now it's just throwing away rep all day

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek These are too cheap and might be too dangerous to use despite reviews. It's a crapshot on your health: tmart.com/previews/…

Psycogeek

""◾Over 10 million high quality units shipped"" uhh yea can i get 3 for $2 custom made

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Capacitor coolers? Motherboard capacitors? Are they running hot?

Psycogeek

19:55

@Boris_yo they should be cooled you know, although I doubt that is going to do anything for them.

If you dont cool your electrical storage units , you would be like a boing 787 :-) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/…

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Link not working...

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo google.com/…

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Battery of real aircraft Boeing 787?

Psycogeek

a wrap around T shaped memory wire , that would be the ticket. wrap it carefully around the pipe, then heat it and the memory wire snaps into shape

@Boris_yo yes thats the li-ion pack that grounded them for a while, till they worked out the bugs.

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Democracy 3 is a great game ;D

Jimmy Hoffa

20:22

Proof!

Psycogeek

. . . that with photoshop you can do anything :-)

Boris_yo

@JimmyHoffa Your imaginary friend?

Video Games and the Female Audience

►

Braiam

21:07

where is the darn question about extending batteries life?

allquixotic

Hey, man, look at my new dog!

Psycogeek

21:35

@allquixotic ? your dog spot?

Hennes

22:00

Sanity check:

Should I post a feature request for markup in comments, and quadruple comment size restictions?

I now tend to post answer which really should have been a comment, but which would have no proper markup in comments and which would spam several sequential comments due to length

And yes, I know that 'create a chat room' && 'invite poster to chat room' is an option. But not always the best one

Mr. I Don't Care

sup kids

Hennes

Not much. Tired. Absent from computer (my mon is visiting and taking her shopping and cooking dinner is taking priority)

Soooo want to answer: Let me google that for you/

-3

Q: What is the maximum amount RAM supported in the Lenovo H430?

I have a Lenovo H430 with the following specs: CPU: Core i5-3330 @ 3.0 GHz RAM: 8GB DDR3 @ 1600 MHz GPU: Intel HD 2500 MB: Lenovo "Mahobay" I have seen some reports of an 8GB maximum and some of a 16GB maximum from the reseller from who I bought the H430. How much RAM is supported in the Len...

@allquixotic: Hmm, most geeks I know tend to get married.

Granted, that includes geeks who love science and music. And programmers for a hostital with a husnand doing security consultant. Or high performance cluster admins.

Jimmy Hoffa

22:35

@Hennes economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/06/…

geeks are above average wage earners, marriage rates are positively correlated with incomes

!!tell 11817255 xkcd 285

ChatBot John Cavil

Jimmy Hoffa

yes, the presupposition of my statement above is hearsay.

Hennes

Ehm, not quite my experience.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes The former or the latter portions of my statement?

Hennes

Half the married people were rather poor (then again. musicians tend to be poor, even though she is very much a geek).

Not a computer geek, but very much into geekiness

terdon

23:03

@Hennes just a heads up, I completely agree with your sentiment but "the bloody manual" is quite offensive, at least to some people. In the UK, bloody is almost as crude as fucking. Personally, I use both in conversation quite often but would not use them in a comment.

Braiam

23:15

yay, I installed debian base into a usb and now doesn't boot :D

Jimmy Hoffa

@terdon I'm not from UK, but say bloody frequently; is it really perceived that vulgar over there?

perhaps I should curtail my usage of that on the internationalnets if that's so..

terdon

@JimmyHoffa I'm not from the UK either but spent four years there. I use it quite often but yes it is vulgar. Well, blasphemous to be precise which is not such a big deal these days (and certainly is not for me) but that has given the word certain weight that it carries from when blasphemy was anathema.

7

A: Why is "bloody hell" offensive or shocking?

Nowadays it's only "mildy vulgar" according to Wiktionary. But why was it ever vulgar? Etymonline.com says of bloody: It has been a British intens. swear word since at least 1676. Weekley relates it to the purely intensive use of the cognate Du. bloed, Ger. blut. But perhaps it ultimately is...

'mildly vulgar' but I've drawn shocked looks when using it in polite company.

Jimmy Hoffa

23:35

Wel I don't have to worry about that, I'm allergic to polite company

terdon

23:48

Same here, fortunately the feeling is mutual.

Transcript for