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01:41
Leaks person "lawfully" detained under the terrorism act. irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/… What we dont know is the terrorism act allows the goverment to act like a terrorist :-)
At Least it is appropriatly named vrses the "patriot act" which is completely opposite the orignal founders of the country (patriots) had intended. It should have been called the "terrorist act" because the intent was to stop terrorism not patriotism :-)
02:05
@Psycogeek Who's detained? Somebody who works at Wikileaks?
Hey dave, next time try the "Non-Stop" version of the flight
@Boris_yo Mr Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms Poitras, Mr Greenwald said. Ms Poitras, in turn, gave Mr Miranda different documents to pass to Mr Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Snowden.
- so i guess using a torrent wasnt suitable?
Glenn Greenwald, a civil-liberties writer who recently moved his blog to The Guardian; Laura Poitras, a documentary filmmaker who specializes in surveillance
 
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03:39
!!cowthink I need to go to sleep
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Bob
Bob
!!tell 10863675 "No you don't"
@Bob Command "no does not exist. Did you mean: no
Bob
Bob
...never mind.
 
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07:26
this stuff from greenwald suggests that Live , skype ,skydrive, facebook, hotmail etc were walked right into "pre-encryption", and they claim there were no back-doors . theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/… . I always hated LIVE, only because it was "web" based.
To me that is rather funny when someone would spend 5 hours determining just how amazingly secure their chosen encryption methods would be :-)
Oooooh 128bit , nobody is going to read that , so lets send it over the World Wide Web :-)
When the other half of the people , would be saying, "its on the web, what did you expect"
-The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands . . . . Which were Blanket (all encompassing) orders
Bob
Bob
08:41
yay brownout
hope the printer didn't die again
Can I install programs which are for Mac OS on my iPad?
@user2614823 Hey there! You're pretty special, aren't you? :)
09:04
@EinsteinsGrandson: No
@EinsteinsGrandson everymac.com/systems/apple/ipad/ipad-faq looks like a different os, modeled after the iphone not the desktop version of mac.
The issue that I have here is:
Applications that can run on the iPhone and iPod touch models -- with the exception of applications that require hardware capabilities that the iPad models lack (such as a "phone" for any iPad or a camera for the original iPad models) -- can run on the iPad either at actual size centered in the middle of the larger iPad screen or "doubled" (which "blows up" each pixel in the iPhone/iPod touch application to twice its size).
-The iPad cannot run Mac OS X applications. Those interested in running Mac OS X on a tablet might be interested in the Axiotron ModBook.
That I can't connect to wifi
It's hp laptop
And hp wireless assistant is giving me only 2 options
1. Wifi is forbidden
2. Wifi is turned off
I don't see any wifi networks
It's windows 7
@EinsteinsGrandson how does that have anything to do with the ipad?
09:17
I am able to get online on iPad only
@EinsteinsGrandson So the only real problem your having is getting wi-fi , that you know is set-up and existing, working on the Hp laptop, running windows 7?
Ok how can I buy an app for iPad?
Yes
I need to install one application on pc
But can't get on internet
@EinsteinsGrandson And (just to be sure) your not trying to get the HpLaptop to connect wirelessly with the I-Pad itself ?
No
iPad is ok... I am using iPad now
The house has a wifi router
I can connect on it with kindle and ipad
But not with hp laptop
@EinsteinsGrandson Is there anything "virtual" or hackintoshy going on in the situation , that a person might want to know about? or is it simple normal windows 7 wi-fi connecting thing?
09:22
Normal wifi connecting
The laptop was able to connect to Internet 2 hours ago
@EinsteinsGrandson is WiFi turned on on the laptop
I will show you the pictures
pictures :-)
@EinsteinsGrandson Have you already booted the router, and re-booted the computer?
@OliverSalzburg: ttrss installed on a vm on my lan ;p
@JourneymanGeek Already?
09:32
lol
took me about 10 minutes
I should probably document it ;p
I just remember an AU question like a decade ago ;D
It's not about the router
And yes I restarted the laptop
Bob
Bob
Fuck. There goes the printer.
D:
@EinsteinsGrandson it does not matter if other things will connect to the router. you MUST reboot the router, so if anything at all has changed your testing it under repeatable circumstances.
@Bob is that some kind of printer spooler kinda box or the printer itself?
Bob
Bob
09:51
@Psycogeek Printer itself.
Power supply fault, probably.
oh i see it has printer like toner tags on the display thing. so what kinda printer is that
gosh bob it almost looks like it has metal :-) where do you get metal printers .
i thought everything was plastic now
Bob
Bob
@Psycogeek Plastic.
@Psycogeek Ya, it's a networked colour laser printer.
@Bob (printer power supply) That is one thing I do not have on a UPS here, the beastly fuser heater takes some 1500W, it would be like putting a Toaster on a UPS. I would have to be pretty hungry to do that :-)
Bob
Bob
@Psycogeek Ya, UPSes specifically say no laser printers :P
We normally get ~240 volts (230 being the standard)
dropped to ~110~125 for half an hour
10:09
@Bob I find that browns are worse than minor surges and on-off power stuff. with the brown out things can keep Trying to work, and can't which can mean parts fail.
Bob
Bob
would be a great time to run American equipment, if we had any...
@Psycogeek Yup, exactly.
Also, low voltage means motors tend to draw much higher currents.
@Bob yes a 'stalled" motor, bad.
Bob
Bob
@Psycogeek More like coils burning out from too much current (= heat)
We were supposed to be having lightning around here. I was wavering on if i should shut down everything, and have another excuse to not work .
@Psycogeek Sorry, I couldn't get the data: Error: Not found city
10:15
!!weather livermore ca.
@Psycogeek Livermore: 66.002F (18.89C, 292.04K), sky is clear
Bob
Bob
lightning is not a big concern of mine
we've had a total of one power issue (blackout) from lightning, and that didn't cause any damage
my computer's on a line-interactive UPS, anyway. I'd hope that has some form of surge protection.
around this particular development, wires are underground, but just a few blocks away, in 10 years we have had 2 transformer explodes.
@Psycogeek Decepticons?
... oooh and i forgot , that the underground transformers , were poorly maintained and one of them overheated.
@Boris_yo i think it was cylons ?
The utility guys come out ( why they didnt for maintainance) and shake thier head at the condition. the transformer is 1/3 covered in mud (that then dries).
They look at it and say. "gee nobody ever maintainces this" and i am thinking isnt that your job? and they are more like "we just follow orders" :-)
10:23
@Psycogeek It's not that human brain works at 1%, it's just that it works at 99% but all of it is information that should be processed subconsciously. That's why brain chooses 1% of it.
So if you took NZT, you would be overloaded with junk information and go unstable. But I like the idea of movie.
@Boris_yo Oh so 99% of my brain is just doing its own thing :-)
@Psycogeek Sensory information, body organs control, breathing etc.
@Boris_yo (junk info) which can come in really handy if you ever need to go on jeapardy.
Background processes. But don't CTRL+ALT+DELETE them because you will crash.
@Boris_yo I am so happy for my autonomic system, if i had to remember all that stuff too, i would forget to breathe every once in a while, and then i would have even more brain damage.
@Psycogeek True!
so i connected the laptop via the Ethernet cable
@EinsteinsGrandson Yo
So, here is the problem
I want to read the emails from Outlook
all of them are in format MSG
Is there any application for Windows that can view the emails from Outlook?
which is free?
@EinsteinsGrandson I thought that was what outlook did ?
10:29
yeah
but I don't want to import the emails in Outlook
Just use some application that will read the emails
These emails are gonna be a proof against the former employer during the trial
So, they will be printed ...
;-)
But I can't read them now
@EinsteinsGrandson you got backups right? thunderbird , outlook express, some conversion utility ? coolutils.com/Formats/MSG there are bunches of ways.
OK, great
thank you so much
@EinsteinsGrandson I might lean towards using t-bird because it would be most mail like, and installable on different systems. you probably import them into it? never done it.
wheras various converters might show different data different confusing ways.
10:45
@Psycogeek Thunderbird is kind of slow what I thought...
@EinsteinsGrandson here are some "freeware" possibilities forums.techguy.org/web-email/887908-need-open-msg-files.html The Last Post . beware at least one of them could have scum you have to avoid , like Cnet is cramming crap into downloads.
@EinsteinsGrandson: nirsoft has a thing that does that
@Boris_yo slow and complicated if you ask me , but it has everything and it isnt "live"
11:03
"Beside, the recent trend of mainstream psychological thrillers e.g. Black Swan, Inception, is working so well for the simple reason that it makes the audience feels smart, when in fact the very opposite happens." - Masses are being fooled by con-Hollywood.
@Boris_yo gosh i hope so, because reality sucks compared to hollywood movie:-)
so now I downloaded that TOTAL MAIL CONVERTER
but i don't see the dates of the emails
which one is the best if I want to see the emails sorted by date?
It's 2.5 GB of emails from 3 years of work... which is a lot...
why not test them and see?
Maybe the quickest way would be importing them into Outlook right?
@EinsteinsGrandson i think you should use the one that JMG just said he actually uses ?
11:11
OK, i will try it
I've not tested it on that many mails
but I use it routinely for school
today is an important day
RELEASE DAY for Verizon Droid Maxx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will try to import the emails into Outlook
@somequixotic only $700 , gotta get me . . . lots more money.
11:19
I've been saving up for this phone ever since the "Motorola X Phone?" rumors started to swirl in April/May
11:35
hmm
lighttpd + postgres + php fpm on ubuntu 12.04, total ram use is only about 80 mb
btw, is OUTLOOK free?
it used to be like 10 years ago
as far as i remember
outlook express was
its windows live mail now
Perfect match couple.
@Boris_yo if your into your sister :-)
@Psycogeek Unreality is more believable than reality.
@Psycogeek They are not bro and sis. But you know in old times bro could marry sis. There would be consequences though...
Featuring overattached girl herself!
11:54
@Boris_yo So where do you find GF like this that isnt obese , and still a virgin after dating her for 3 months :-)
Is it possible to just import old emails into Outlook without creating a new account that I will use to download and upload emails from my Email Provider...for example Gmail or Yahoo Mail ....?
I tried to do that in Thunderbird and it was not possible...
@Psycogeek In a nut house?
@Boris_yo hmmm, Idea (insert light bulb icon)
@Psycogeek You know that there are overobsessive parents as well?
What is the default directory where Outlook keeps emails?
;o)))))))))))))))
12:08
@Boris_yo in the nut house?
outlook 2007
maybe it's crazy but since I don't know how to import these old emails into Outlook
I want to copy the emails into the folder where Outlook saves inbox emails
and hope that when I then open Outlook I will see the emails in it
@Psycogeek Hmmm you first agreed with my reply and now question it?
Overattached parents. Obsessive parents:
12:23
where does outlook 2007 store emails in windows 7 , please?
Yes, just nothing. — one_half_3544 6 mins ago
Then why are you pressing the button in the first place? ;D
I am doing this for free and it's not for me personally...
It's just my good will
"Hollywood is a place where original ideas are running increasingly scarce in the recession era, where only re-makes and sequels to age old franchise films appear to be springing up." - How true...
@EinsteinsGrandson Accumulating Karma?
What do you mean, @Boris_yo ?
@EinsteinsGrandson Goodwill is good for karma.
thank you @Psycogeek... but it's not there
it's for Outlook 2013
not for Outlook 2007
If only there was a way of searching for files in Windows :(
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@OliverSalzburg you mean to like search for *.msg ? Hmmm, mabey there IS a way :-)
@Psycogeek "An Outlook Data File (.pst) contains your backed-up email messages..."
@OliverSalzburg Oooh. msg only for export? ""Outlook uses the msg-format to store messages and other mailbox items outside of Outlook without losing the Outlook interface when you open them from outside of Outlook. ""
12:52
Can anyone suggest any light UpNp server ?? XbMc eats too much memory
@Psycogeek In my case, the answer to his question would have been "On the Exchange server" anyway ;P
I dont know how people put up with this STUFF anyways howto-outlook.com/howto/filesandsettings.htm The reason to like Portable apps. ONE place for the app and its dlls and crap, and ONE location for all the shit the program makes and uses. anything else gives me RLS , for my OCD.
Who ever invented the "crap all over your computer" method of programming anyway , Microsoft.
@Psycogeek An on-screen display is capable of having Restless Leg Syndrome? :P
@Psycogeek actually, UNIX operating systems and their programs spewed stuff into common directories long before Microsoft came along.
@somequixotic Well at least you knew the RLS one, i was thinking i would have to annotate it.
On UNIX (and it continues with Linux and Mac to this day), /usr/bin stores executables, /usr/lib stores shared objects, /var stores databases and log files, /etc stores configuration files, and so on
and it can be challenging (or sometimes impossible) to convince a program to run so that it does everything within one directory root, unless you run it in chroot
@Psycogeek oh, O C D... I know that one too :P I read "OSD"... it's too early in the morning
12:59
@somequixotic I fixed it
13:16
@somequixotic it doesnt have to be all in one folder or the root of one folder, just in its own folder. Like the good ol days. before there were 10 folders down paths to everything, and goofy locations like appdata. its them damn users :-) it is all thier fault, if they just had thier own bloody computer, we wouldnt need MyStuff folders, cause its all MyStuff .
every computer now is made up like a server for half the planet. Programs come in 1500 parts and pieces. Programs feel the need to fill the registry with <3000 registry entries that could fit in one CFg file.
-- why i could fix some of the security problems. how many viruses have hopped into the system32 folder or the windows folder? If you aint the system, and you aint windows, then what the heck are you putting stuff in there for :-) Stay in your own little hole.
So then the system does these roudabout security measures , and the "system" and "windows" get defiled every day. 50 layers of security, and thier own base programming still isnt housed or protected.
@Psycogeek a lot fewer programs are writing to C:\Windows and subfolders these days, and quite a few programs are either "portable" out of the box, or can be made portable with workarounds... I think developers realize that people like to run programs without UAC prompts or having to obtain admin rights on corporate PCs
the ones that do have to write to C:\Windows are drivers, mainly... some kind of kernel module... like Wireshark and its PCAP driver
13:32
@somequixotic IF they could stay in thier own little hole , and run just as well from it, there would not be all the mixing, and (at least) people could find out what is going wrong in seconds.
instead we got 4000 pieces of STUFF being tossed in there.
It just seems poorly "managed" and seeing that microsoft demands that people use these methods, i blame them :-)
some services will be running from thier own folder area. and drivers are showing to have full paths. So i am assuming it was possible. then any freeloading programs would either have to find thier own folder, or sneak into somone elses. With a simple File count , a suspected POS would stand out like a sore thumb
@Psycogeek they don't demand it, really.. there are only a few situations where, as a program author, you would be required to write to the registry or put various files in various places
almost any functionality you can name or think of, I can implement with a program in a single file, let alone a self-contained directory
@somequixotic to get all certified?
@Psycogeek Microsoft doesn't certify programs, unless you're talking about Windows Store Apps
for Win32 desktop programs there is no certification process
OK, so this sounds crazy but this is what I need now
@somequixotic I thought they had to follow rules to have the legal use of the Logo?
13:41
I have 3500 emails
@Psycogeek you might be thinking of Games for Windows
Games for Windows does have some specific rules, but that's for games
and need to filter only those that were sent or received from 1 person who had email like [email protected]
@somequixotic well back when software used to come in boxes , with logos.
and besides, you can release a game without the Games for Windows logo and it will still be fun and people will still buy it
All these emails are in MSG format
13:42
@Psycogeek yes, back then there was a reason to get Games for Windows certified, because people cared about those logos on the box
nowadays, all software is distributed digitally
How can I do it without going through all the emails in Total commander like an idiot for 20 hours?
I haven't purchased a piece of software in a physical box at a retail store, or even ordered a box of software online, for 3-4 years
I always, always download
can i use that software - TOTAL MAIL CONVERTER and convert all
13:44
@somequixotic The Boxed stuff always worked "out of the box". once they started the downloading, it was ok to push alpha junk out the door and fix it after the money came in :-)
3500 emails from MSG to TXT in 1 second?
@Psycogeek true :) and people will pay extra to get early access to a broken game :D
@EinsteinsGrandson 20 hours, that sounds about right for 3500 e-mails. Get paid by the piece or by the hour and your all set.
it's a family member
I can't get paid
or I can say I have been paid already
;o)
@somequixotic Boxed also had another advantage. If it didnt work "out of the box" people would bring the box back quick.
@EinsteinsGrandson You gotta know no mater how much of it the computer does for you, the computer is still stupid. So the real labor is still all yours.
13:48
that's very true! @Psycogeek
oh this is a conversation that i don't want to miss.
Anyone use file history?
(other than me)
what's that?
Windows 8's new backup tool
i see
13:50
It works great so far just wondering if I moved my history to another machine would it just pick it up
No one seems to talk about this on the internet
if it doesn't it's not much of a backup
All I need now is to import a folder with 3500 emails into Outlook 2007
well you can recover your files straight from it's repository but there all date appended so it would be a real mess
@Psycogeek however, I find that these days, developers are willing to work on and improve their games long after they are released. in the boxed game days, you might see two bug fix patches after the game is released, and that's it
I really like how StarDrive is developed: it "released" in a beta quality, but it has been developed heavily since release, and it is a great game now, but a lot of the ideas and features that have been introduced are thanks to community participation -- the developers are doing things that were requested by players... and they continue to make the game better and better
with boxed games where the game is 100% complete when it ships in the box, the players are given zero chance to influence the direction of the game's evolution... if they don't like the finished product, that's it, you can't do anything about it
the new model seems to be, "Let's put something out that's playable for people to get a taste of what we're working on, then make some money, then let the players give us ideas for how to take the game to the next level, and continue working on it for 2-3 years after release"
I really like that.
@somequixotic I never had to patch a game that came on a cd. and most of the software (originally) that came on a CD worked. Back then we did not even think they could just up and fix things :-) They would not put out all the effort to package print and distribute something that was not very well tested.
@Psycogeek quite the contrary, I recall, even in the mid to late 90s, a lot of "released" games with serious bugs that would ruin the game, and having to download a patch from happypuppy.com or other similar patch mirrors
and then Blizzard, with Battle.Net, actually released the patches right there in the game, which was quite revolutionary for the time... they put out so many patches for Diablo :D
13:59
Same thing here, If my product was to upload my videos to Youtube, they would generally have the last 2-3 errors on it. Instead I have to create boxed finished product, and it goes through a serious checking of everything to get the last few "problems" worked out. then its DONE, there is no turning back. So even if i have to re-make the whole thing , it has to go out done.

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