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16:00
@JourneymanGeek Well, at least three regulars here have added me on FB and/or G+ and it's not as I don't display it openly there.
@ruda.almeida 2mbps shared among 500 PCs?
@Boris_yo Yes.
@ruda.almeida But this is crazy! Isn't it slow?
16:10
@Boris_yo Yes. Yes.
@ruda.almeida Where is your workplace located? Malaysia?
@Boris_yo Rio
@ruda.almeida You are originally from Rio de Janeiro?
@Boris_yo Yes.
500 PCs could share a 2 Mbps link in 1991 when everyone used lynx as a web browser and web sites were sharing content that was primarily text/plain
16:12
@ruda.almeida You didn't add me to FB or G+
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@ruda.almeida You often have there holidays and girls are fine ;p
@somequixotic Maybe intranet is more important to their organisation than outside internet access?
The Pope has been here for 5 days so a 5-day leave was granted, unless you worked on commerce. Traffic was hellish, so I stayed out of town.
@Boris_yo Brazilian girls are overrated. There are really hot ones, but not in a ratio much different from anywhere else, IMHO.
@ruda.almeida 5 day leave is a paid brake that employer gives you?
@ruda.almeida I guess common stereotype like everywhere else?
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Also, most foreigners like Brazilian girls for them being exotic, but well, to mey they aren't. Or because they like large, ahem, derières, which isn't in the top of my personal list either.
@Boris_yo Yes (5th).
16:21
@somequixotic Auto-correct
@ruda.almeida What you said they like?
@somequixotic Shouldn't be, but it is =/
2 hours ago, by somequixotic
posteriority == I don't... even know... for future buttocks?
@somequixotic Ladies and gentleman, the future has arrived. And it has large buttocks.
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@ruda.almeida HOW did we get on this subject again
@somequixotic The usual culprit on weird derailments is @Boris_yo.
16:30
how do any dropbox users here deal with te problem of having a file open on one computer, hten opening it on another?
does dropbox deal with the problem in any way?
@barlop I notice it depends on what the application is
@barlop There's not a problem in this. Saving, however, gets dealt with renaming the file by appending a date.
For example, Microsoft Office has a "lock" file that it creates
notepad
ERR..
if using dropbox then even with office, you won't get a lock file 'cos office won't know
It also depends on OS's that detect and updates changes to the file (eg. linux) and ones that don't (eg windows)
16:32
OS won't detect it. I'm talking about Dropbox.
In dropbox, multiple computers each have their own local copy.
@barlop So am I, dropbox uses a common folder, and this folder contains files.
I suppose I didn't put it well earlier...
the common folder is on the internet though
@barlop Yes, I use dropbox on a daily basis. One computer at a time, however.
Office uses an exclusive lock on open files
so the files won't update until you close the file in office, even if you save
well, I mean, when not using it one computer at a time. e.g. suppose I leave a file open on a computer
I don't always close all the files I have open.
16:34
@barlop Well, yes and no, the "cloud" is only used to sync the files, but they reside in each computed as a local copy
@ruda.almeida what did I say that suggests I don't know that?
Therefore, if it is open on "computer A", it is considered "open" by computer A's OS, but not by computer B's OS
file-locking is a OS local thing
As soon as you close the file on one computer, dropbox will be able to read it and update it on dropbox's servers
@ruda.almeida yeah and what have I said that suggests I don't know that?
as soon as you close it on the second computer, dropbox will try to update it and detect a collision
16:35
5 mins ago, by barlop
how do any dropbox users here deal with te problem of having a file open on one computer, hten opening it on another?
^--- that
well, what I didn't know, was what was just said a moment ago, which was that dropbox can detect a collision
But the collision is detect on saving files. You can have then open on a million computers if you want and nothing happens (Ok, I never actually tried that, but all I know about computers tells me there won't be issues. I may be wrong, maybe)
Office is one of the few cases where it can, because it knows that the file just changed locally and there are waiting updates for that file that have not been applied
How will dropbox know there's a collision? like how will dropbox know who has the file open?
most of the time, you wind up with the file getting updated twice, and having to go to dropbox's website and download the second-to-last version
@barlop When MS Office opens a file, it opens it exclusively
No other application, including dropbox, can read or write it
16:38
ms office is irrelevant
This means that Dropbox can't update the file while it's open
oh I see
oh, for non-ms-office, it doesn't detect collisions
it just sees two updates
it was updated on computer A, downloaded to Computer B, then computer B overwrote all the changes, and that gets updated
@DarthAndroid Yes, you are right. I was confusing it with updating from shared folders by computers from different dropbox accounts.
I have lots of notes on my computer in TXT files. What if I open the TXT files in Office, would I be better off?
16:39
if you want the version from computer A, you have to log into the website and download an older revision
@DarthAndroid yeah that's what I thought, dropbox wouldn't detect the collision, so how would you deal with that problem?
@barlop Evernote is SO much better than dropbox at handling notes. It syncs perfectly fine to mobile, desktop and web
I use a text editor that detects file changes, like Notepad++ or Sublime
If dropbox updates a file in the background (from another computer), it'll alert me and ask if I want to discard what's the the editor and load the new file, or if I want to save over it
more importantly, it allows me to open the updated file and copy out the changes into my current editor if I have changes that I don't want to lose
However, most of the time I just make sure that I save before leaving a computer
because this means I can just say "reload from disk" on another computer when my editor asks
i.e., Computer A doesn't have unsaved changes, but it has the file open. I make changes on B, and save. Dropbox updates on A. when I go to A and return focus to Sublime Text, it says "Hey, this file changed! Do you want to reload it?" And I just click yes.
@DarthAndroid but suppose you wrote changes on A, but didn't save them yet, you then make changes on B and save them. You go to A and it says "hey this file changed Do you want to reload it". If you click yes, you'd gain the changes saved from B but lose the unsaved changes that were made on A
Right, in that situation, I re-open the file (B's version) in another window on A, and then copy the changes / manually merge the files, and then save.
And I learn not to make changes in two places without saving.
If you have unsaved changes in two places, there's no way around manually merging them
16:50
Or use Google Docs or any online editing tool that auto-saves and auto-updates. (That would have the downside of needing constant web access)
I often have a dozen txt files open, I don't always save each one any time I stop typing into it. I might switch to another window, type into another.
@barlop That's fine, I do the same thing
I just make sure to save them before I leave the computer if I want to edit them elsewhere
though I could have a dozen open for days. I don't know which are open unless i'm looking at the list
on the computer that has it open.
This is why I save them first. I usually have 20-30 text files open
but they are all saved
or they are files that I won't be updating elsewhere
16:52
I guess you use a Save All button
do you use a notepad++ save all button?
eh, I've just learned to save religeously
I just save one at a time when I'm done with my current changes
you save 30 txt files manually, before leaving the computer?
I don't end up with more than one or two files with unsaved changes
most text files I have open are for reference, not editing
and notepad++ shows you at a glance which are unsaved
The only place I have that many files open for editing is in my IDE / code ditor
Both Sublime Text and Notepad++ show in the tab bar unsaved files
16:54
so you look through every tab for it
@barlop I can see all my tabs at the top...
In my code editor, where I often have 40+ files open for editing, the editor is configured to automatically save when a file loses focus
how does notepad++ show when a file is unsaved?
The disk icon in the tab changes from blue to red
inactive ones aren't red though
16:58
they're red too, if they have changes
though it's a grayed-out red
You can turn that off in options (General > Tab Bar > Darken Inactive Tabs)
Sublime Text highlights modified tabs much better than Notepad++
I recommend it highly over Notepad++ if you do a bunch of text file editing
Well worth the cost of a license.
I see notepad++ uses dark blue disks for unsaved inactive tabs.
and light blue disks for saved inactive tabs
and I see no option to change the color there
I will try Sublime Text
I do have a fear of text editor crashing and then I lose all changes.
so i'm wary of tabbed text editors.
That's why I love sublime
Enable the hot_exit option and enable tab restore
sublime can crash, or you can close it
sublime v3 is on beta?
either way, when you open it, it comes right back up with all your tabs and any changes you had made to them
v3 is on beta, yeah, v2 is the latest release
even for tabs which had not been saved to files yet
@DarthAndroid Sounds highly interesting
17:07
I have a whole bunch of tabs that have been open for months with unsaved data, that I just leave unsaved because they don't really belong anywhere on my filesystem
wow lol i love this quote from slashdot
When you owe the bank a little money, you have a problem. When you owe the bank a lot of money, the bank has a problem.
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you both have a problem in the latter case.
@somequixotic Then the only logic option is to never pay your bank debts?
@ruda.almeida yeah try that.
17:14
WTF. Why does a keyboard need your personal contact info and internet access?
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You go too far, Google. TOO FAR.
@DarthAndroid not keylogging! they swear it ;)
I saw an issue where a program for android, that -just- makes a shortcut to change brightness level, needed access to usb and all sorts of other crap.
And It's region locked -_-
Sideload it?
Sideload a keyboard ...
17:17
the app?
No I meant that I didn't want to install something from a 3rd party
I'll pull it from my friend's nexus 4 :P
That's still sideloading :P
But I don't want to download it from a 3rd party site ;p
someone could have tampered with it
Brightness Level needs access to
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Storage
Modify or delete the contents of your USB storage

Phone Calls
Read phone status and identity

System tools
Modify system settings, test access to protected storage.
17:19
@DarthAndroid Xprivacy FTW
No app in my phone can access my phone number, network details blah blah
@Gowtham sideloading doesn't mean downloading from 3rd party site, sideloading is installing an app from the SD card
@Gowtham Hmmmmm..... Interesting....
@DarthAndroid ik -_- where will I get the apk ;p
And yeah, I saw the new privacy pane that was built into 4.3
@Gowtham Download it from the google play store to your computer, and then install from there?
You can fake details using Xprivacy :D
@DarthAndroid hmm you can't do that
17:22
Huh, indeed you can't.
guess it's time to break out the emulator
Easier to get it from my friend :D :P
@DarthAndroid It can't be done in normal ways. There was an unofficial way of doing that, but it required entering a personal API key in an obscure software and it was against google's TOS so I never tried it. Might create a temp google account to try it...
with dropbox and ms office, If you're on Computer B, and try to save, and it's open on Computer A. Will dropbox on Computer B notify you that dropbox can't write the file to computer A?
17:28
Just posted another question to SF. Any Samba experts wanna take a crack at it?
On computer A, dropbox will report that it can't update the file because it's in use
and the icon will show Dropbox always in sync mode until you close the file
@CanadianLuke link
I'll look at it over lunch
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Q: Reset Domain Trust with workstations from Samba 3.x server

Canadian LukeI am having issues on a network I inherited with a Samba 3 server acting as the domain controller, and many, but not all, Windows 7 Pro PCs. The issues described here and here do not solve my issue. On boot up, on some PCs, I get an error message saying The trust relationship between this workst...

@DarthAndroid I find windows 7 list of notepads is ugly as hell 'cos it's not easy to sort. But I guess you get around that by using Sublime text editor.. - tabbed.
Any time I open a new notepad window, it goes to the bottom of the list and I have to scroll down to get to it.
and where my taskbar menu is vertically thick, and the notepad button is on the bottom of the 3 rows I have, I can't even click the bottom notepad window, some bug.
Yay
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17:52
@slhck Congrats!
Thanks :)
@barlop Yeah, Sublime Text is what I use for scratch pads when I need to put something into text temporarily. It's my replacement for editing anything that is plaintext
@slhck Congratulations! Would you trade it for $60,000?
@Boris_yo Yep, because I'd still be mod, heheh :P
@ruda.almeida Not sure I understand correctly but why women would like men's buttocks?
@slhck Even with 0 reputation you still stay mod?
18:02
The lowest you can have is 1, and yeah, mod status is not tied to rep at all.
@slhck I thought you must reach certain reputation to become mod...
If you're mod then who's super mod and who's admin?
@Boris_yo No, the reputation is just a sign of how much you participate in the community, but you could easily become mod on a site with less reputation.. it's just that the experienced users mostly know what they have to do.
@Boris_yo The developers and community managers. They can access the database directly.
@slhck I see 85.8k under your avatar. Why is this number different from your 60k reputation?
Total S.E. rep and per site rep
Yeah, that's some accumulated number.
18:10
Well I have 1k reputation and I'm happy. Guess I have low standards?
My posts in here taunt me, because my combined rep is over 20K, but my rep on SU is just under 20K :(
@Boris_yo Well, you should post more :)
@slhck I do. Here:
heh
@DarthAndroid 20k is a nice step though, you get to delete stuff
But of course nobody gets reputation by posting on SU chat... Yeah, that would be to easy then.
18:21
Well, you get a badge for having a certain number starred messages IIRC
But that's it I guess
> Posted 10 messages that were starred by at least 10 different users

I don't think I've seen a single message reach 10 stars in here before, though clearly it's happened.
@Boris_yo I meant the opposite. But the opposite of the opposite is also true.
18:44
What's "sort as FAQ"?
I'll be offline in about 10 minutes, will be back hopefully around 13:00 PST
@ruda.almeida "sort as FAQ"?
19:02
@Boris_yo We could write a userscript that awards virtual rep for chat participation. And only the guys with the script see it. Wouldn't that be awesome ;P
"virtual rep" in contrast to the physical rep we get on the main site ;P
19:20
Imaginary rep ?
19:39
Back
20:02
@OliverSalzburg But it would create inexistent rep that only some would see. Isn't it schizophreny? Does shared schizoprheny becomes truth?
I get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside when a 1-rep user actually edits their answer to improve it after I comment!
@ruda.almeida That's what truth is, yes, collective imagination
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Also, would there be the possibility of downvoting chat comments? A negative chat-rep would be ignored? =P
@ruda.almeida Rep would be auto-calculated based on successful puns and detection of sarcasm
@OliverSalzburg Oh, then you need only to program a neural-network based AI. In javascript. Easy-peasy.
20:07
@ruda.almeida All in a days work
<address itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/LocalBusiness">
  <strong itemprop="name">{name}</strong><br>
  <span itemprop="address" itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/PostalAddress">
    <span itemprop="streetAddress">{streetAddress}</span><br>
    <span itemprop="postalCode">{postalCode}</span>&nbsp;<span itemprop="addressLocality">{addressLocality}</span><br>
    <span itemprop="addressCountry">{addressCountry}</span><br>
  </span>
  <abbr title="Telefon">T:</abbr>&nbsp;<a href="tel:{telephone}" itemprop="telephone">{telephone}</a><br>
seriously...
I miss the days when web code was like <blink>lol</blink>
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@Adnan what is CP? — jcho360 4 hours ago
@OliverSalzburg What's that? HTML7?
@ruda.almeida HTML5+schema.org+Fluid. schema.org being a markup to make Google better understand the presented data and Fluid being a templating language
20:50
@OliverSalzburg That seems to be very WET code.
I prefer AngularJS + HTML templates for my web stuff
@DarthAndroid So, do I ;P
But we're usually building our clients websites on top of this CMS
And, given how that CMS used to work a couple of years ago, this is incredibly comfortable to work with
21:07
> Pay what you want for Saints Row: The Third, Saints Row 2, Risen 2: Dark Waters, and Sacred 2: Gold Edition. Pay more than the average and you'll get Dead Island: Game of the Year Edition and Saints Row: The Third - The Full Package, which is exploding with DLC! If you pay $25 or more you'll also receive Dead Island: Riptide!
21:18
I got sucked into Saints Row: The Third last weekend
game is rediculously fun
21:54
@DarthAndroid i find it more fun to run around and piss off the cops than to actually complete missions. that's my flaw :P
@somequixotic I repeat, the game is ridiculously fun.
i like getting one of those super powerful vehicles that takes ages to be destroyed, and getting like dozens of police vehicles to roll up and get killed by my tank
helicopters, tanks, APCs, humvees, police cars, etc lol
Sniping helis from my tank is <3
I'm into Shadowrun Returns atm
@somequixotic Isn't it too much of an XCOM clone?
22:02
@DanielBeck never played xcom; also, people who've played xcom say it's quite different
and the story isn't a clone of anything really... i mean it borrows heavily from genre themes and tropes but it isn't like the story is plagiarized or anything
@somequixotic Always liked the SR story. I probably still have the character sheet of my troll mercenary somewhere :-)
@somequixotic Are you saying there is more to the game? O_o
22:22
@DanielBeck I think there's crowdfunding for new XCOM or similar game.
@Boris_yo Is there anything that isn't being crowdfunded right now?
@OliverSalzburg "Grumpy Obama"
@OliverSalzburg I don't know because it feels not same...
@ruda.almeida That makes it weirder.
22:39
@DanielBeck heh, i have a troll as my first (ever) shadowrun char in shadowrun returns (never played the pen and paper) - a little bit of decker, a little bit of rifle/ranged, and a little bit of melee
decker is awesome in SR:R
@Boris_yo Females being sexually interested in parts of the male anatomy is weird to you?
@ruda.almeida No except male's butts. Why would that be of interest to them?
22:55
@Boris_yo Because that's where the wallet is located
@OliverSalzburg Oh no, I don't carry wallet in butt. No way man.
@Boris_yo Well, you and me both brother
But, in general, men like to carry the wallet in the rear pocket, I guess
You're not supposed to carry it in the butt anyway
Just FYI
@OliverSalzburg Don't they know there are thieves behind?
@Boris_yo Well, yeah, they do. But if you want to show off a big fat wallet, you put in the back pocket. That way women will notice it. It's like with a nice car. Nobody will notice it if you don't drive it around
@OliverSalzburg only those who carry drugs, hide them in their butt.
@OliverSalzburg I think you're stereotyping here. Not all women are like this...
23:00
@Boris_yo I've heard of men stuffing socks in their back pockets to make it seem like they have a huge package so to attract women
@OliverSalzburg What! Are you serious? Society Is degrading.
@CanadianLuke yello
@Boris_yo Blu!
Gah, so happy this day is over!
Well, work wise anyways
@CanadianLuke That's the most important part of a day to be over
23:07
@CanadianLuke Do you feel burned out?
Well, maybe I should start from the top...
I got a new job in the public sector. During the interview, I blew them away because I knew the "advanced" IT stuff, like RAID 10 vs 5, what the firewall program is in Linux, where username/passwords are stored, what roaming profiles are, etc. I scored 10/10 for that part
So they hired me, and the manager put me at the most "difficult" networked school. I say that because everyone already did their shuffle to new schools, and this place is a mess. I hate messes. Very much so.
@OliverSalzburg No proof here of the fact you mentioned.
They have 8 servers in the building. There are 8 other satellite offices that fall under my jurisdiction. And 3 more servers in the field. Total of 11.
My job over the next few years is put together a plan to make it all work. The last techs never had time to do so. That's where I come in
I took a look, cried, and died a little inside
Complete overkill for what they are using. Disk usage is at about 10-25% on EACH server
The Windows 7 Images don't work worth shit, so I have to rebuild those as well
The main issue is that back in 2010, the school district consolodated a bunch of their satellite programs to all run under one roof. So that's why I have lots of servers. No one has had time to put them all into one or two though
@CanadianLuke So that's the accumulation of jobs over the previous years that you now have to accomplish?
Yup
But I got the Domain Trust issue to work on still... Question on SF if you want to look
23:15
@CanadianLuke You're all alone on your own?
I got the new motherboard put in to our Router server though, then decided to disable SAMBA on it
Yup!
Half the team is currently on vacation, the other half are spread out to cover everyone else
But, there is help when I need it
SU, SF, and the other techs
I guess you're no longer in retail position? Your previous job where you were hardware sourcer?
Yup. I left the job that supplies the school district to work for the school district lol
@CanadianLuke Low pay or low terms?
Low pay. The district offered double pay, and now I also have benefits, double the vacation up front, sick days, pension, medical, dental, prescription, travel, IT bonus
Hard to say no, especially when I have to think of my son too
23:23
@CanadianLuke What certifications job required?
Actually, they wanted everything... I only have my A+
23:44
They always want it all...
@CanadianLuke What do you mean by A+?
@OliverSalzburg Except candidate to be super hero...
@CanadianLuke Do you have CCNA?
Nope
Working towards it in my spare time, but no rush
We don't use Cisco there, so I'm not worried
@CanadianLuke You don't have to use Cisco there. CCNA is just IT course with more emphasis on network.
23:50
Oh yea, the other cool thing
I have a /19 subnet... Up to 8,192 (-2) addresses!
We have under 500 machines/devices that ever need to connect
@CanadianLuke Which means there's more than enough?
And the network is slow as fuck!
It's going to take some work, but the eventual goal is scrap everything, start over
Even though there is no summer break
It's going to be going down LIVE
> Does any1 know how to stop Shockwave flash from crashing? I have uninstalled both Flash and my browser (Chrome), installed both from a fresh download, and scanned my computer (come up clean). Everything is updated
so sad...
@OliverSalzburg Installing different flash version?
I think he should reinstall the OS!
That will probably stop Shockwave flash from crashing

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