Root Access

4:02 PM

Great start.

Where's my bottle of cheap ebay Everclear clone...

Actually this is probably a good time to apply those 2 years of missing updates on the hypervisor...

Next problem: SSH key to access hypervisor was on my old laptop. I've never had to access it since buying my new one, so err...

Burgi

this sounds like it is going to be a busy weekend for you

Circus Cat

@Burgi I was planning to go out and meet girls this evening.

Burgi

sober or in a lube spilling state?

Circus Cat

Does GDPR give me any compensation rights when companies lose my data?

Burgi

yes

the ICO website has a good FAQ on it

Circus Cat

4:09 PM

I mean non-"personal" data. As in when their UPS takes the day off when there's a power cut and my server goes down.

Bob

@CircusCat that's the ovh deal I was talking about, yea

ozbargain.com.au/node/380063

Circus Cat

@Bob Oh nice! Oneprovider deal with OVH now?

Bob

DO-32-APAC is basically the same specs as my current DISCOVER-32 but cheaper

Circus Cat

Uhh, anyone got a Windows remote desktop server I could borrow for a bit?

Bob

@CircusCat ...I guess so? it's the same specs and price :P

@CircusCat sure, one sec

Circus Cat

4:13 PM

XenCenter seems to want to download updates to the local machine then upload them to the server it's updating. Which is a little bit tedious on a mobile 4G connection.

Bob

@CircusCat Anything in particular you need? disk space, ..., ?

Circus Cat

@Bob Few hundred megs to install XenCenter

Bob

k, lemme just create the users

and by that I mean lemme just find the login details for myself first

Circus Cat

Basically download a few 100MB updates, upload them to server, delete. Because no support contract = tedious update process.

Bob

@CircusCat yea long as you don't need several GBs, cause I'd need to expand the disk

Circus Cat

4:15 PM

@Bob The biggest update is 61.6MB.

Bob

@CircusCat you on matrix?

I'd rather PM the details

Circus Cat

@Bob Yes. Although now that I think about it, never mind. I don't know the password to access the server, it's saved in my local XenCenter.

Bob

:\

Circus Cat

Bob

well, I'm about to head to bed so I'll set it up first just in case

Circus Cat

4:17 PM

@Bob Thanks.

I P2V'd my old laptop when I got the new one so I should be able to find it somewhere

@Burgi In a controlled, socially lubricated state

Burgi

O.o

Circus Cat

@Burgi It's a funny term a friend came up with... Apparently British people are stuck up and need some "social lubricant"

Because "Documents" was literally the first folder I looked in and I was too stupid to find it...

Zanna

@CircusCat there's definitely something wrong with us, but I thought it was the excessive alcohol consumption

Canadian Luke

4:37 PM

@CircusCat If you have Windows 10, use bash to find it quickly - find . -iname "*.kdbx"

Circus Cat

@CanadianLuke It would have been easier if my eyes were capable of seeing it when I opened my Documents folder to begin with

Canadian Luke

I'm a keyboard warrior :P So I do commands for most things

Circus Cat

Bob

@CanadianLuke so, you can either use the indexed windows search or the non-indexed find ... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Circus Cat

I clicked "I DO NOT ACCEPT" just out of spite.

Bob

4:42 PM

@CircusCat so how's your ~~deleted~~ hidden account? :P

(as if they'd actually delete any of the data)

Canadian Luke

@Bob That's right!

So, I guess it'd be quicker to do Windows, *.kdbx, Enter

Circus Cat

@Bob Does 1000GB for 40 EUR count?

Lol that actually worked

In like half a second.

Fuck me.

Canadian Luke

Since Vista

Bob

@CircusCat y'know? ... that's close, yea. linky? :P

Canadian Luke

With Windows 10, you can type pretty much ANYWHERE when you're in the Start Menu

Circus Cat

4:46 PM

@Bob online.net/en/dedicated-server

Literally only checked cause you just mentioned them!

djsmiley2k

@CircusCat s/privacy/data

Circus Cat

Bob

@CircusCat ...funnily enough the server I wanted to replace was one of theirs on HDD (not the one you're connected to; that's one of the SSD ones)

lol. the Start-3-L is actually the one you're currently on

except I'm on the older version

Canadian Luke

Are we looking into getting a dedicated server for our new chat?

Bob

same CPU, same RAM, half the storage, 29 EUR/month

@CanadianLuke @allquixotic's already hosting it

and technically I'm also hosting it. as is @JourneymanGeek. and some others.

djsmiley2k

4:48 PM

plus if you want you can run your own

Circus Cat

@Bob Hah. Interesting.

djsmiley2k

what happens to a room, if the homeserver it came from goes away?

Bob

        NAME                                                   STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        tank                                                   ONLINE       0     0     0
          ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7LN256HMJP-00000_S2MJNX0H807995-part1  ONLINE       0     0     0
          ata-SAMSUNG_MZ7LN256HMJP-00000_S2MJNX0H807998-part1  ONLINE       0     0     0

the older version. 2x 250

new one's 2x 500 but costs 30% more

@djsmiley2k ...good question. I think it still works, and the remaining homeservers can list it as a room under their own address

Circus Cat

I had been tempted to use some sorta hybrid setup, rent one SSD server, one HDD server, use a 1G/10G internal pipe between them. But nothing actually worked out cheaper than renting a used one with the exact specs I wanted from Hetzner, that someone else had helpfully paid the setup fees for already

Bob

so e.g. you can join #rootaccess:matrix.vulpin.com and get the same room

@CircusCat yea, I need to look into getting a hybrid storage server sometime

Canadian Luke

4:50 PM

!!xkcd datacenter scale

ChatBot John Cavil

@CanadianLuke Something went on fire; status 403

2

Bob

right now mine are pure SSD or pure HDD

(and I'm considering replacing one of the HDD ones with SSD - the SYD one)

!!xkcd 1737

There we go!

4:54 PM

Apparently this Hetzner power cut meant they had to replace >200 server power supplies too -_-

Bob

o.O

Circus Cat

Also, Xenserver updates in chronological order: 013, 022, 023, 018, 025, 024, 027, 029, 028, 026 -_-

allquixotic

5:09 PM

@Bob funny you should mention that; I've had like three or four hosting providers tell me "Stick with OVH" when I asked them if they could match or beat OVH's offer

the only reason I got Delimiter was because of the incredible value, but not even Delimiter can match OVH's prices at either 64 or 128 GB of RAM, regardless of CPU uArch

Bob

@allquixotic wow

allquixotic

in terms of RAM price per month per GB, at 32 GB and higher, OVH appears to be the cheapest in the world unless you get some super special secret deal or limited time offer

Bob

so they exist purely for the suckers who don't know about ovh (...or want better support I guess, idk)

allquixotic

as far as regular prices though, OVH is king

Bob

@allquixotic online is up there, but fewer locations

allquixotic

5:10 PM

yeah, and crossing the Atlantic adds about 50-60 ms ping even on fiber to the premises, whereas Canada adds about 10-20 ms

that one you linked to most recently (like 1-3 weeks ago) on WebHostingTalk actually told me to stick to OVH too, and said the DRAM conspiracy (they actually linked the article) was inhibiting their ability to offer cheaper prices on high memory machines

they were willing to build a much lower DRAM system for a slightly cheaper price than OVH, but I said nah

also, aside from the flash drive weirdness, OVH support has always been good to great... better than Hetzner and Delimiter by a long shot

Delimiter: 9 AM to 5 PM US Central time Monday-Friday only; often misses deadlines; blames other people saying the problem is out of their control

Hetzner: takes a native German speaker to translate their wacky Grenglish to proper English so you can understand wtf they're saying; they have 7 day a week support but limited hours

OVH: 24/7 support, only slightly wacky French Canadian English, great prices, and technicians who are experts at server provisioning, networking, structured cabling, cooling, but apparently flunked the "Can they plug in a USB-A device" part of the certification they have to get

Bob

@allquixotic well, we know OVH techs have trouble with electric connectors :P

allquixotic

@Bob that's what I meant, lol

Bob

your USB drive, my server that didn't work because they accidentally a connector...

allquixotic

OVH technician ^^

jokerdino

that you?

allquixotic

5:20 PM

lol no that's electroboom

jokerdino

lol

Bob

@allquixotic very recognisable eyebrows/forehead :P

I swear they're wriggling in the still

Unibrow Dance

►

^ that's his thing for those who don't know

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy Done

Bob

boulevard of broken dreams

►

oh god this is amazing

(watch past 0:40)

Circus Cat

5:46 PM

@allquixotic It may be different now but when I was last with them it was abysmal. If any of their automated systems detected "suspicious activity" or you got an automated DCMA notice, they'd cut you off instantly without recourse or access to your data.

Had to whinge at management for a week to get my server restored after doing a UDP speed test triggered their "port scanning/DDoS detection"

And they were like "Nope we can't adjust our detection algorithms or add an exception"

I guess they're one of the many companies where if your support issue fits in the standard support script/flowchart somewhere you'll be fine, if computer says no you're screwed.

@Burgi Thanks to Bob's server I've managed to get up to the 2018 patchsets now, I may make it out to the pub tonight after all.

Assuming everything comes up cleanly after I reboot... if not it's like a 3 day wait for a KVM

Burgi

6:01 PM

@Bob love it!

Circus Cat

6:29 PM

@Burgi Dat 240p

Also why the fuck did it autoplay this after, is it because Bob posted it?

Ylvis - The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) [Official music video HD]

►

djsmiley2k

i had weird stuff like that happen @CircusCat

someone @JourneymanGeek maybe, mentioned Sitars (and posted a youtube vid of someone playing one

next day youtube playing my 'Music mix' plays me some video of people playing sitars, after I've never watched one

allquixotic

6:45 PM

@CircusCat been using them a few years and have never had any problems with automated systems thinking my server is performing "suspicious activity"

but then I don't actively try to do weird things either

Ave

7:09 PM

@djsmiley2k no

@allquixotic synapse isn't at 100%. I have plenty of ram. I just had many issues with cloudflare, dns records, port forwarding and firewalls. Now it seems to be fixed.

I'm not federating matrix.org

XKCD

By clicking anywhere, scrolling, or closing this notification, you agree to be legally bound by the witch Sycorax within a cloven pine.

4

allquixotic

@XKCD GDPR? GDPR!

jokerdino

it's just spam at this point

djsmiley2k

amen.

Zanna

if it gives me rights, I like it

easy to say goodbye to your rights

very relaxing

sometimes you have to make some effort to get a less shitty world

Ave

7:21 PM

allquixotic

Zanna

is that Les Miserables?

Ave

all the non-USPS emails I got in last day or so has been GDPR stuffs

allquixotic

yeah

Ave

also hey zanna!

Zanna

7:22 PM

everyone was crying in the cinema when I saw that film. I was like... woah there's something wrong with me

@Ave hey <3

allquixotic

I was looking for him scream-singnig "YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS!" in the middle of the movie but I couldn't find it in gif form

jokerdino

@Zanna who leaked the teargas??

allquixotic

I love the movie despite its flaws; I guess I'm flawed ;p

Zanna

@jokerdino the director I guess

jokerdino

@allquixotic I'll take your word for it?

Zanna

7:24 PM

I only went to watch that movie because my flatmate made some of the costumes

jokerdino

wozzah

Zanna

I loved the scene at the beginning where the priest was Christianly nice to the thief

it went down and down and down and downhill from there

jokerdino

no spoilers plz

Zanna

I was like woah a Christian actually implemented Christian values

that never happens!

Ave

I'm tempted to watch it now.

Zanna

7:26 PM

oh no

@jokerdino I can't remember what happened anyway. Lost interest progressively throughout

at the point where people were literally swimming in rivers of excrement I just had to deliberately unsuspend my disbelief, because it was too disturbing

jokerdino

that must really be it for the night

Zanna

:P

rahuldottech

7:44 PM

@Zanna I really should see it. Have been meaning to for a long while

Zanna

oh no

haha well, all the best

rahuldottech

@Zanna I just read your other messages, lol. Idk. It's not really the type of movie which I'm into.

But apparently it's a Big Deal ™

So I should give it a shot

Zanna

I don't care what is a big deal

rahuldottech

@Zanna my mom told me to watch it too. A while back.

So I guess I will, eventually

Zanna

the dominant culture is imperialist white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy. So, I regard its Big Deals critically where possible :D

oh well, what mum says is another matter

rahuldottech

7:47 PM

Speaking of entertainment, if any of you are looking for something to watch, I absolutely cannot recommend Elementary and Brooklyn Nine-Nine enough. Brilliant TV shows.

@Zanna not in India :)

Zanna

I need to move to India...

rahuldottech

@Zanna it has its flaws like every other place, but I'd choose it over the US anyday

Zanna

I'm from the UK

and I live in it too

rahuldottech

I mean, there was a time when I used to want to go to an Ivy League. But seeing the state of the country, no way.

@Zanna do you like it?

Zanna

I've been to the US. Disturbing place

rahuldottech

7:49 PM

I'd choose literally almost anything over the US, tbh.

Zanna

@rahuldottech no!

it has some good theatre

rahuldottech

@Zanna where in the UK are you from, if you don't mind me asking and if you're okay disclosing that?

Zanna

I'm from Lincolnshire in the East Midlands. Very boring, flat, rural area. But I lived in London from Jan 2012 - June 2017

rahuldottech

I see.

I've been to London. But I was 6, so mostly all that I remember is having softies with my mom at McDonald's and the London Eye.

Oh, and Buckingham palace.

Zanna

The things I somewhat like about my country are mostly counterculture and radical folk. It's a terrible country, so it has some good rebellion XD

rahuldottech

7:54 PM

@Zanna there's so much I love about my country. But so much that I really don't like.

Zanna

The London Eye is so overpriced man, what an exploitative thing

it's a good view but why do they charge an arm and a leg for it

rahuldottech

@Zanna I have no idea how much I paid, but tourist attractions in general are always overpriced

Zanna

that's true

@rahuldottech oh yeah?

rahuldottech

All over the world, speaking from experience

Zanna

you must be well-travelled :)

rahuldottech

7:57 PM

@Zanna I am. Unfortunately, haven't been anywhere on a few years since my parents split up

Zanna

@rahuldottech I always remember food and drink XD I am such a glutton

rahuldottech

Might go to Bhutan soon though. My mom (who's a professor) might get a depuation to a uni there

Zanna

@rahuldottech aww sorry about that

Bhutan looks like such a wonderful place

would love to go there

but I think they limit tourism and that makes sense

there's something a little rotten about the whole thing

rahuldottech

I could go on and on...

Zanna

Still working through the idea of travel from an ethical perspective

rahuldottech

8:00 PM

@Zanna I love how diverse it is. But I don't like that there's so much hate towards some groups of society and religions. I hate how some people still believe in the messed up and inhumane cast system. I love how many cultures you get to experience, and all the different sorts of people. But I hate how messy the political system is. It's not as bad as the US, but it's pretty messy.

@Zanna it's okay, I've learnt to deal with it. Life isn't very easy as most guys here know, but I'm pulling through :)

@Zanna explain?

@Zanna What do ethics have to do with traveling?

Zanna

well... I could go on and on. Not everyone is economically able to travel, and I'm not sure how much of it is really sustainable... I also think there is... in my culture, an acquisitive attitude... to go and take possession of places/experiences and make them part of us. To make ourselves larger. It is an attitude of entitlement... it is an extractive orientation. This is not the only impulse behind the wish to travel, but it is one I recognise and feel critical towards

oh ethics have to do with everything, don't you think?

rahuldottech

@Zanna ah, yes, of course. I just wondered where you were coming from in this case

It's an interesting view

Ave

@Zanna this is a valid point of view. I agree with the first sentence with examples, I don't think that previous actions done by people of same culture should stop you from doing something you want, especially if you're aware of their wrongdoings and are sure that you won't do that.

Zanna

@rahuldottech diversity is the best thing about London. But everyone says that, and I am uncomfortable about how, as white people, we see "diversity" as something to enjoy in a selfish way, something we consume like exotic food, while we do nothing to fight the structural racism in our society

rahuldottech

That said, there are always going to be people who for whom it's not financially feasible to do what you are doing or wish to do. Unfortunately, that's just the way that it is. I don't think that should stop you from experiencing stuff, as long as you're not throwing money away. Also, something I believe in is that whole your culture is an integral part of you, it doesn't have to define who you are. You can totally go and enjoy a place and experience it without taking possession of it, right?

Zanna

8:09 PM

@Ave :) thank you. I am not sure I will not do that. I catch myself doing bad stuff all the time. But I hope I will have some opportunities to travel in ways that are not harmful

rahuldottech

You don't have to enjoy diversity in a selfish way. To me, going around the world and seeing how different people live and cope with problems and enjoy life is not selfish in itself.

But that's just the traveling aspect

> we see "diversity" as something to enjoy in a selfish way, something we consume like exotic food, while we do nothing to fight the structural racism in our society

This happens in India too. Probably happens everywhere. We boast about how diverse we ate while some sections of society get grossly mistreated or ignored

Zanna

@rahuldottech yes I agree with you

allquixotic

@Zanna Surely that's a generalization about white people, since at least you are so cognizant about the problem that I can't imagine you would view diversity in that selfish way which you just described? And do there not exist any other white people who would agree with you? Just saying that's a rather broad brush you're painting with there.

Zanna

#NotAllWhitePeople :P

I'm not saying travelling is bad. I'm just trying to explain the ethical issues that I see around it

There is an environmental impact

There is an economic impact

There are interactions...

allquixotic

Hmm... I guess, try to minimize your use of disposable containers, and the environmental impact is really minimal. The airplane you fly on, the bus/train you ride on, will get 99.9999999% the same MPG with or without you and your luggage aboard :) Most of their weight is the vehicle itself and its fuel.

Zanna

8:18 PM

right, but if everyone took one less holiday

that's what I'm trying to unlearn, my culture's ignorance and denial of interdependence

FreezePhoenix

@Zanna That's hard to unlearn.

allquixotic

Eh. I kind of feel like the argument by the (defunct?) website lifeaftertheoilcrash.net is pretty valid: conserving and being efficient does little but divert petroleum resources to other tasks instead. In short, our culture is built on growth, and growth means money = oil, and if there's money on the table, it's going to get converted into someone consuming oil somewhere

Zanna

@FreezePhoenix yes, but if we don't do it, we gonna sink this little spaceship

allquixotic

For instance if you save money by not traveling, you'll spend that on (take your pick thing) which is inevitably going to transfer into consumption of oil

The only way to prevent it would be to literally stow away massive portions of the world's money in bank accounts, sit on it, and don't spend it

Zanna

yeah, have to end the indefinite growth culture

have to leave the oil in the ground

we literally must do it

FreezePhoenix

8:21 PM

@Zanna I'd rather sink the spaceship then tear a part of me out.

allquixotic

hehe, as Prof. Albert Bartlett said, people think "The faster we drill all the oil out of the ground and use it all up, the better off we'll be!"

Zanna

you know, if you leave coal in the ground, it cleans water

if you get it out and burn it, if pollutes water

FreezePhoenix

@Zanna Activated coal... not coal.

allquixotic

I used to be idealistic about ethics, the environment, etc. Then I got old and cynical :(

Still drive a Prius C though :P

Zanna

there's a lot of good news

renewables are cheaper than the black stuff

allquixotic

8:24 PM

The best reduction of my carbon footprint I've done in recent years is starting to telework 2 to 4 days per week rather than driving 23 miles to work... the best MPG is the MPG of not driving

Zanna

you should stop being cynical :) a few years ago I went to this political meeting about TTIP

and one of the speakers said "we will defeat TTIP, just like we defeated [list of oppressive trade deals] and we will defeat whatever comes after it. We just have to keep fighting"

I only 1/4 believed him

but we did defeat TTIP

people power does work

activists are like the political immune system

allquixotic

Well, change is hard to come by. A lot of the people who just don't see the direction of real progress will backlash on us when we advance too far. That's part of what happens in democracies. 2 steps forward, 1.9 steps back

We're seeing that in the US now, and it'll be another ~6 years until we probably have a realistic chance of going forward again

and we'll be lucky if we don't devolve into proper authoritarianism by then

Zanna

tell me about it. My mind is blown by the backlash against social justice movements these days

FreezePhoenix

2 steps forward, 1.9 steps backwards...

Zanna

I can only cheesily quote MLK Jnr "if you can't fly then run... if you can't run then walk... if you can't walk then crawl... just keep moving forward"

shrug

bed time

allquixotic

8:29 PM

Eh. I can see both sides. I do think it's silly to fall into the trap of being self-loathing because of your "privilege" or whatever. Just treat other people like people, be cognizant of your biases and improve upon them...

FreezePhoenix

@Zanna Night.

Zanna

:)

@allquixotic who's self-loathing?

don't listen to what the anti-SJ people say about the SJ people

djsmiley2k

I don't listen to anyone

/me shrugs

Zanna

good >_<

djsmiley2k

Look how much I don't listen to @JourneymanGeek and how much it drives him insane!

|Doesn't mean I don't care or value his input

but I don't let it direct me solely

/me shrugs

The arguement that either way the plane will fly, is a broken arguement too

Zanna

8:30 PM

that's not the same as not-listening XD

djsmiley2k

why should I bother doing anything, after all, the world will continue no matter what I do.

Why bother putting rubbish in the bin

Zanna

yes. exactly

djsmiley2k

why bother braking when someone is in the road

xD extreme examples make funny points.

allquixotic

10:32 PM

wtf LG? they send me an email saying "Trust only genuine LG replacement parts" and it links to this which has broken CSS

Circus Cat

10:57 PM

@allquixotic Say GDPR again one more time, I dare you. 😡😡😡😡😡

Ave

so I said gdpr and this happened

in The Bridge, 22 mins ago, by Ave

What happened was, they used to not allow me to change my birthday to anything above 1995 because I joined on 2008 and COPPA and stuffs. They apparently recently changed that, so I was like "oh hey let's set it to 2000". I do that, save it, and that happens.

djsmiley2k

Dafaq

Circus Cat

11:17 PM

P.S. What's the usual method these days for doing easy Windows updates on offline/airgapped Win 10 machines?

Win 7 had offline update rollups...

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave Wait... You... Joined... Twitter... at 8 years old?!

Journeyman Geek

@CircusCat hmmm wsus offline updates should still work

wsusoffline.net

Circus Cat

@JourneymanGeek Thanks

That Brazilian Guy

> Einführung

Journeyman Geek

I wonder where my xp update roll-up is...

That Brazilian Guy

11:29 PM

It's swearing at me!

Journeyman Geek

It's German. It sounds almost are sweary as Finnish but less likely to stab you

That Brazilian Guy

> gmail search: gdpr|subject:("terms of service"|"privacy policy")

> 95 results

> 70% since March 22

Earliest "gdpr" result: Dec. 2015

Circus Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Was it a typo?

That Brazilian Guy

No.

@JourneymanGeek Huh?

Circus Cat

Long awaited... 2015... gejus

I'm quite surprised actually, that having done basically zero maintenance in two years and having never designed/configured any of it to handle an unexpected power outage, the hypervisor/host on my rented server and everything on it just works fine.

That Brazilian Guy

11:41 PM

Hey @CircusCat since you're awake and all

Circus Cat

I guess I used to build things robustly by default, back before I started this trend of turning off my higher brain functions for fun on a daily basis.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Woof?

That Brazilian Guy

Can I bug you on how to install kvm qemu on a headless server?

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7_pVrIshxA

That Brazilian Guy

I'm trying to follow these tutorials but I'm finding them weird:

cyberciti.biz/faq/installing-kvm-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts-server

ostechnix.com/…

Circus Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy @Bob or @allquixotic would probably be better - I could guide you through it, but as for actual experience of having done it, I've only lightly experimented with KVM+QEMU setups

That Brazilian Guy

11:44 PM

In fact, just performing apt-get install libvirt-bin gives me:

> The following additional packages will be installed:
acl augeas-lenses bridge-utils cpu-checker dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dmeventd dmidecode dns-root-data dnsmasq-base ebtables fontconfig
fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas
gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x ibverbs-providers ipxe-qemu ipxe-qemu-256k-compat-efi-roms libaa1 libaio1
libasound2 libasound2-data libasyncns0 libaugeas0 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavc1394-0 libbluetoo…

Circus Cat

As far as I know it goes 1) Pick your host OS - modern flavours of Ubuntu being the easiest for lazy cats, 2) install the virtualisation pseudopackages

Michael Frank

Wow.. that is a lot of extra packages. o.o

Circus Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy That's... normal

Emulating every single component of a modern computer in software does require a lot of libraries and packages.

That Brazilian Guy

If I run the entire command as suggester (apt-get install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin virtinst bridge-utils cpu-checker) I get even more pacakges:

> acl adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-core augeas-lenses bridge-utils cpu-checker dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dmeventd dmidecode dns-root-data
dnsmasq-base ebtables fontconfig fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core genisoimage gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-libosinfo-1.0 glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x
gtk-update-icon-cache hicolor-icon-theme humanity-icon-theme ibverbs-providers ipxe-qemu ipxe-qemu-256k-compat-efi-roms libaa1 libaio1 libasound2

Circus Cat

A headless server is probably missing all the usual packages for rendering GUIs, sound, and video, which is what half that stuff is.

That Brazilian Guy

11:48 PM

But why dozens of icon themes? libwayland-*? x11-common?

Circus Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Because nested somewhere in there is a dependancy for a shoddy X11 GUI.

Journeyman Geek

Ugh. I nuked my headless kvm set up last week

Circus Cat

Honestly though, it's correct. Just press Y and wait.

Ave

@ThatBrazilianGuy yes

Michael Frank

Hmm... I seem to have left my laptop power supply at work. :|

That Brazilian Guy

11:51 PM

Circus Cat

This is why when I have a job, I get two power supplies.

That Brazilian Guy

@CircusCat Same, I've used virt-manager GUI to connect to local and remote VM's, or to create VM's on a non-headless server and then connect to it from my PC.

@CircusCat Then forget two power supplies on your job.

Circus Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Lol, one stays at home/in my backpack

That Brazilian Guy

Things I've at least once forgot at work: my cellphone, my keys, myself locked inside at closing time.

Circus Cat

Things I forget: things.

Michael Frank

11:56 PM

I have 2 laptops and one power supply. :P

Ave

Things I forget: things that I forgot.

Michael Frank

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