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2:02 PM
@Hakase IIRC Samsung Knox's Secure Folder functionality does that
it's basically like a fairly well isolated container for Android
but that's not Android standard, it's just on Samsung flagships (the Note and Galaxy S)
 
I have some knox app on a samsung tablet with android 7
guess I'll read up on it then
 
the data the secure folder does provide access to isn't "fake" however, it's just separate from the main system data
 
guess no surface studio update then
> NVIDIA Quadro K2200
both display variants 120hz
well damn
I hope dat ms keyboard works with the tablet coz if so I'm buying it
oh no it's got its own weird usb dongle bongle :c
 
2:19 PM
lol
because usb is too hard.
/me cries
Also, they have 2 wall mounte din that office
but they are so close together, you couldn't rotate either one, unless you can piviot them i guess..
 
idk I just kinda don't like the idea that a device which has bluetooth inside needs a usb cable to work with also wireless usb dongles but on some other proprietary spec
 
that is neat @JourneymanGeek
but i can't stand the price of these things :<
 
@djsmiley2k about 200usd isn't bad
and they'll probably do a kickstarter, and I already own one of their watches so might get a discount for being anexisting customer.
 
hmmm
yah, but I don't have 200usd D:
 
2:22 PM
ah :(
I don't have money to buy most of the things I find interesting either ;p
 
I'd like to get a 2560x1440 144hz monitor and it seems there are either affordable models or high quality ones :p
gotta check if my gpu can drive it first tho
 
what are the local mobile phone hotspot things you can get called
commcell, femtocell?
 
cell tower?
femtocell is a word I've heard
in like 2012 :p
 
2:39 PM
femtocell?
 
though apparently you can set up a android phone to call over SIP. Which sounds amazing '
 
!!no
 
@allquixotic the other option is intel's builtin graphics
I'm assuming it's because that's what miners and gamers don't want and nvidia had in stock
 
2:42 PM
just over half of a 1050 Ti in performance, on a device that's basically laptop hardware in a fairly thin, not necessarily very light, sort of "all-in-one" like an iMac but for mounting on walls instead of sitting on your desk...? :S
 
@JourneymanGeek androidauthority.com/… ?
 
and that will cost at least $4000?!
 
@Hakase natively
 
oh (shrug)
 
yeah, ok, let's cram really shitty hardware into a device designed primarily for, apparently, CAD work and such
 
2:42 PM
lol @JourneymanGeek that's been a dream of people owning mobiles and hating Telco's since forever
 
Microsoft Hardware has really lost me lately. the original Surface Pro was promising but idk wtf they're doing now
 
I've seen settings in phones referring to it, but never looked into actually using it.
 
@djsmiley2k you still need data
 
yah
 
and a gateway
 
2:43 PM
(I used to work at a SIP provider.)
 
well, if you look at the examples in that and every other demo video, historically, professionals who sit all day working on resource-intensive stuff aren't present in these vids
 
on the other hand, I have a bunch of old android phones new enough to do this
 
the 3D models they're manipulating are primitive and don't require much computational power
 
@JourneymanGeek got a link?
It's weird you say this right now
 
all I'll need is a supported dongle (about 25 sgd) and a line (8 dollars a month)
 
2:44 PM
as I was just reading about how people are moaning about the mobile signal here in the office (yes, it's terrible)
 
also it's an enterprise product not aimed to be affordable by solitary customers
 
right now the wifi is terrible as well, but we can fix that...
 
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Q: Using an Android phone like a SIP ATA

MattI would like to get a few Android phones functioning as a SIP ATA so I can make and receive calls via SIP. I realize one could use Bluetooth to pair with something like Asterisk, but I had high hopes there might be a standalone application that would transform it into an ATA. Is there something o...

you'd still need a gateway of some flavour.
 
afaik surface 4 has some of the best stylus input quality in a tablet
 
@djsmiley2k it's called a "mobile hotspot" if it just connects to a cellular subscription using a SIM card and an LTE baseband and exposes that Internet connection over wifi, USB or ethernet
 
2:45 PM
@allquixotic ah, here's where it gets fun
 
no no no not that
other way around
phone makes call over 'wifi'
gets converted to normal phone line at the SIP gateway
 
a femtocell gets usually coaxial cable or fiber installed to it in a fixed configuration, and it literally transmits data on the cellular carrier's bands to any smartphones or subscribers in the area
 
oh, we're talking about that.
 
@djsmiley2k you can call your mobile operator and ask if they can do something about it for free, then next step if they can do something about it for a little bit of money
 
2:46 PM
individuals can't really install femtocells, but corporations and governments install them in big buildings with bad reception inside
 
@Hakase yeah, had a look, only thing on their site is a box for 32 numbers
 
third step you ask them to install a cell tower near you, for probably a lot of money
 
we have about 300 people in the office, so yeah. no.
 
well, is that not enough for you?
 
I'd probably throw it into real hardware. but
 
2:46 PM
all calling at the same time?
just get 3 boxes
 
@Hakase no, but you have to register them
 
IS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
;p
 
that's 4 calling at the same time
32 numbers registered to the device.
 
geez so low
yea then ask about a new station
or just use skype for calling
maybe ask on some SE about a reasonable option for your problem :p
@allquixotic our phone providers sell them for individuals no problem
you just can't configure them to limit to the numbers or IMEIs you want
so anyone in the hood will be able to use it, first come first serve style
 
Most of the local phoone companies tried femotocells
 
2:50 PM
Hmmm, skype for business can call landlines, can't it?
in the UK
 
I think most of them can
 
but then the problem is recieving the calls, not making so much
 
$$$$ tho
 
@JourneymanGeek hm? are there other technologies phone ops use?
 
@Hakase I think one was talking about smaller cell transmitters
 
2:51 PM
you lose money if you can't make calls so :p
 
in singapore we just have a ton of them everywhere
lots of tall buildings
 
I remmeber how some company invented a radio towier in a small box format
 
I'd definitely call the phone company and ask to schedule a talk with a manager about improving the signal in your area
 
it was like 'this'll fix everything!'
 
@JourneymanGeek Singapore has an unbelievable number of sky scrapers
 
2:52 PM
obviously made no difference
@Hakase knowing this place, we'll offer to pay them before they even ask
 
@rahuldottech we have very little space
 
as I was typing "don't promise them any money at first"
 
@JourneymanGeek I like Singapore
 
@djsmiley2k oh, do you know if there's cheap, usb -> phone line things for DIY asterisk/pbx boxen?
or what to google?
 
exactly that
 
2:53 PM
@JourneymanGeek usb to ptsn connector?
 
cheap usb phone line asterisk
 
it's basically a modem
it IS a modem.
 
why not use the employees' phones?
use some app to connect to your thing
 
2:54 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy I need your SSH key again :P
 
that. is. vaguely. what. we. are. talking. about.
 
> Analog Telephone Adapaters ATA, such as the Sipura 3000.
USB Channel Banks such as Astribank
> That Sipura uses an ES3890 controller which was originally designed for playing back video CDs. Therefore analog FXO/FXS signalling requires an extra circuit from ProSLIC.
lol wut
 
I think I have an old standalone sip device somewhere
 
ok I'll just go then
 
cisco thing
No idea if I can reflash the firmware tho
 
2:56 PM
15
Q: Is there a way to connect to a PSTN?

Alex ChamberlainI'd love to run Asterisk on my Raspberry Pi. Does anyone know how I could connect to the telephone network? Obviously, PCI based cards aren't going to work.

:D
 
and I think it was meant to work the other way
 
Gonna cost far more than a pi.
 
@Hakase oh yeah, so do ours! verizonwireless.com/accessories/…
 
a SIP Device likely just connects to Asterisk @JourneymanGeek
 
I guess if you've got the landline backhaul then it's good
 
2:57 PM
I think the USB dongle sounds smarter to ...
0_0
!!what
 
@JourneymanGeek For spammers.
 
erm. ya
 
we had a customer who had banks and banks of racks, hosting usb hubs, off the hubs were more hubs, ending with 3G modems.
 
Its still an utterly bizzare thing
 
2:59 PM
He'd pay some kid to swap the sims out when they got banned from the networks.
Then there was the guy who was 'scalping' credit you get for selling sims
 
Apparently something like a E160 would work...
 
So, those shops that sell really cheap sims? They get like 0.5% kickback on the sale.
 
@djsmiley2k heh. there's a limit on how many prepaid cards someone can own so...
and we don't do the whole "just buy a sim, no questions asked" thing
 
So he would buy 100000000's of those sims. He owned a premium rate phoneline through us.
one call, £10., so these kids would have to pop the sim in, call this number, listen for 3 minutes, swap the sim out, repeat.
We would pay him for the traffic, and he'd get the kickback from the providers as well.
 
sounds... dodgy
 
3:01 PM
Man, premium rate phone lines were so dodgy back in the 90's
yeah, the providers would ban anyone doing it.
and expect us to not do business with them once it was found out
(which we did, because we were 'good guys')
 
lol
this is just a fun project I want to spec out
I doubt its cheaper than the slightly dodgy cheap international lines we use
though I could reuse an old laptop...
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy do you have your pubkeys on github?
 
I'd still need an internet connection
 
Bob
hi
 
hi
 
3:06 PM
hi bob
 
@JourneymanGeek you want to make international calls?
You're doing it wrong if so.
You want a asterisk gateway, in the country you're trying to call.
 
Bob
@allquixotic just removing that other room logo from matrix :P
 
lol he broke it!!!
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k you're the one who set it! :P
 
3:39 PM
Did we kill Riot?
 
Huh?
 
The entire web app refuses to load for me
> Unable to load config file: please refresh the page to try again.
Before that it was saying it lost connection to the server
 
Oh right
Existing tab is fine for me, but new tab is unhappy
Loading okay now
Bit slow
 
We appear to be back now
 
@allquixotic Is there a place on github to publish them?
 
Bob
4:00 PM
if the public riot instance goes down, you can use one of ours :P
 
How do I do that?
 
@allquixotic I do have my public SSH keys on the non-public section of my github profile.
 
Hey, is there anyone who is epic at isc-dhcp-server and bind9 at the same time?
 
Bob
@BenN riot.vulpin.com is mine
 
Ah, very nice
 
Bob
4:04 PM
hmmm my github account has no pubkeys on it O_O
could've sworn I had some...
@BenN you'll have to point it at the correct homeserver though (custom)
 
Gotcha
 
Bob
@BenN if it's the public homeserver that's gone down, you're screwed :P
(your identity is tied to the homeserver you registered on)
 
@allquixotic Sent you via email
You guys haven't talked about a very important feature: does Matrix have stars?
 
It does not
Annnnd it's down again
 
We'll use astrisks then to mark interesting things... By quoting it...
> We'll use astrisks then to mark interesting things... By quoting it...
* <-- See? It's starred
 
Bob
@BenN this is why I have my own homeserver :D
I think @allquixotic opened his to direct registration
I'm not opening mine but I can manually create accounts if people want one
that said, they'd be different identities/users
 
4:26 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy Hey man. Your server's up, and your keys are imported
It reboots on its own now. I reinstalled entirely on ZFS root.
It has the bare minimums so far. apt, aptitude, node, npm, openssh-server, networking configured (netplan :/), and I can install docker-ce if you want.
the reason I would have to install docker-ce is that apt install docker.io gives you a 2017 version, which doesn't support some of the stuff that you need to make Synapse work under Docker or docker-compose
@BenN what's down? D:
 
Riot, or my homeserver?
 
Just Riot. It's back now
 
I followed this guide pretty much verbatim to install Ubuntu 18.04
 
So, looks like Rio might be falling apart any minute now.
 
4:31 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy wtf
 
Gasoline went up from already overpriced USD 1.5 yesterday to USD 3
Truckers are on strike all over the country
 
holy crap.
 
Delivery of goods is compromised, apparently this is a mini market today:
Due to the lack of gasoline, buses in Rio were reduced to 50% of the fleet today. And tomorrow it's said to be down to 25%
 
OH - You probably want to enable the free canonical-livepatch service, which updates the kernel live with fixes for security vulnerabilities, automatically. You'll need to make a free Ubuntu account
@ThatBrazilianGuy Wow, man! Yeah, a doubling of gas prices would tend to wreck any economy, especially if done suddenly
Why's it so high?! Venezuela is right over there, and they have oil fields.
(I know how "Venezuela" is pronounced, but I just read it as "Venna-zoola" in my head and laughed)
 
TBH I don't drive and the "USD 3" is based on an image I saw on Facebook.
And these reports might be exaggerated by "OMG WE ALL GONNA DIE" chain mails on whatsapp
But the bus reduction is true and the truckers strike is true as well
Although some say the media exaggerates the reports to fuel fear and paranoia
 
4:36 PM
do you want me to install canonical-livepatch or you going to do it?
 
Well, I hope everything works out fine in the end, I'm not particularly worried (yet).
 
and you can get the latest docker from here by installing their Ubuntu PPA... I found the test version of Docker (version 18.05 - May 2018!) was the best for Synapse, at least
 
It's been ages since I used debian-based, PPA's, etc. So it might be a good exercise.
@allquixotic I need this snap thing to install it, yes?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy I already jumped the gun and installed snapd for you
so snap works
 
Oh okay great
 
4:41 PM
Sooooooooooooooo
 
@allquixotic I think I'll folllow the official guides on docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/… And set up a third party repo
 
rebooted server - couldn't ssh into it
get home, connect monitor - no signal
reboot. can now ssh in perfectly fine
wtf?!
unless it failed to shutdown I guess..
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy ok. Also, because it's zfs root, I created a ZFS snapshot of the current state of the OS without any custom software or daemons, just the basic booting system, with your SSH key added.
if you ever hose it up -really- badly, one of us can start up the iLO2 (HP branded KVM-over-IP solution), boot into a Live CD, and restore the ZFS snapshot
that way we won't have to reinstall the OS
 
@allquixotic I was going to ask if it could be done but figured snapshots were only for VMs, didn't know / forgot filesystems could be snapshotted as well.
 
it's pretty hard for you to break the system so badly that we can't restore the snapshot, unless you delete it, or run a command that corrupts the filesystem
 
and ZFS is configured in RAID-1 mirror mode, so the two HDDs have identical copies of the data. Your read throughput -- especially for sequential access -- will be close to double the speed of a normal HDD
your write throughput will be a typical single HDD speed
@ThatBrazilianGuy well, the out of band restore process is a little annoying because you either need obsolete/unsupported Java, or Internet Explorer, but it's not as laborious as a total OS reinstall would be
 
I have this project to deliver on Jun 6 so I'l only be truly free to play on the server after this date :(
 
are you going to wait to install Synapse until after June 6? if so you might want to follow the quick start to be one of the Matrix cool kids (sans homeserver) until then.
also what are you going to do about DNS? do you have a domain? want a subdomain on a domain I control?
SO MANY THINGS to consider
 
I can get a free .cf or .tk domain from namecheap
@allquixotic That's why I'll wait until I'm a little less overloaded to start actually doing stuff
I have a few overdue days of vacation from last year and I'm gonna ask my boss to use those as soon as I deliver this project
Which I really should be doing instead of being here. Let's not be a @rahuldottech apprentice.
Bye and thanks for all the fish cool toys
 
> Client requested an e-commerce site to sell cat-based merchandise
o.O
 
5:00 PM
I can give you a milkme.co.uk subdomain
 
Bob
@Burgi @CircusCat is that you
 
0
Q: Can we have tags for "Report Builder" and "Reporting Services"?

Bruder LustigI have posted a question about SQL Server, its Management Studio and its Report builder in Super User a few minutes ago and provided that Super User is the right board for that question, which obviously isn't so obvious concerning that topic, I have a request: Can we have tags for the Reporting ...

 
5:20 PM
BTW guys, this is (1) cool, and (2) works. github.com/micnews/authorized_keys-from-github
nice for initial server installs if you publish your SSH keys on github
soon as you get a root shell, run that little Bobby Desla and edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to change PasswordAuthentication to "no"
I think I'm going to install my own riot.im server on roota.cc
 
@allquixotic How does one publish SSH keys on github? Couldn't find a way.
 
!!kittens
 
@ChatBotJohnCavil I want those so bad
 
5:36 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy This
 
If you guys don't mind a sub domain, I can offer a few at domains I control
 
6:10 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy I think your pubkeys are automatically published? If you have set up ssh keys in settings
@CanadianLuke yeah I have tons of domains too, but I think Br wants his own proper domain
I almost said TLD
 
@allquixotic I've googled and... looks like it's true? developer.github.com/v3/users/keys
 
He totally wants that.brazilianguy
 
> Lists the verified public keys for a user. This is accessible by anyone.
^--- that's the most direct reference I could find. It's a REST endpoint.
Nothing on where it's taken from. No references on the keys part of the profile about it being public
 
Yeah it's not a security issue unless RSA or ECDSA are seriously broken
@ThatBrazilianGuy your SSH keys are literally in your GH settings under SSH keys
 
What if I sent a GDPR request for github? Would they pull their hairs for a few minutes until they go "wait... Brazil is not en European country"?
 
6:13 PM
@allquixotic And if it is, we're all totally fucked anyway
 
@CircusCat or at least mostly, but yeah
There are alternatives to RSA at least
 
@allquixotic Is it possible to perform a reverse SSH key search? "Oh this pub key is used here, here and here" and compromise privacy?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy people have no idea where a pubkey is used except for these sites that publish them - perhaps if you didn't want people to like, link your Bitbucket account to your Github account
But they would have to find your other user name first
These services don't let you search by public key
 
!!s/key/cat/
 
@CircusCat These services don't let you search by public cat (source)
 
6:16 PM
So it would be practically impossible unless they knew to look for your account on the other service anyway
It might help them confirm that it's you on both services
 
lololol
a retailer using client side scripting to stop you buying stuff before the 'grand opening' sale.
/me lols as he deleted the div and his wife ordered all she wanted of this very limited stuff.
 
That sounds rather ineffective...
 
I suspect most of their customers are middle aged women
 
They'll probably see the order date and reject it though
 
Nah, we did it before
it was only 10 minutes early
I wonder if I told them the laptops clock was fast, they'd believe me.
 
6:22 PM
2 hours ago, by That Brazilian Guy
So, looks like Rio might be falling apart any minute now.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy what happened
 
So we're being told to go home now (3 PM) and work from home tomorrow.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy just ... stay safe, ok?
 
@rahuldottech Read the transcript. Or ask @ave :P
 
Shooting Nazi's in the face is fine, but as far as I can tell you're not a Nazi, so yeah.
I'm wondering if this is partally because venezuela.
 
Ave
6:24 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy saudades
 
@djsmiley2k I'm not worried about the gasoline shortage or bus shortage. I'm much more worried about the multiple kidnappings this week.
My boss told us today that yesterday she saw a car with multiple people holding multiple rifles each. Yay.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy like i said, stay safe.
don't do anything stupid.
See you in a few weeks if the net goes down.
 
Ave
ufpe cancelled all classes today
 
@Ave you still in the country named like the bird?
 
Ave
6:25 PM
yes
 
is it still bonkers there?
 
Ave
rude
 
@Ave You just said you miss me a lot, in an affectionate/close way.
 
Ave
wait
ptbr is weird
being super sick and doing langs is hard
@ThatBrazilianGuy what was the word that meant like
great, uh, sorrow
 
6:27 PM
Lo siento?
Thinking eses or esmx
 
"Saudade" can mean either originally a feeling of longing and melancholy, or more generally and current meaning, missing something, like "miss you", "haven't seen you in a long time", "I want to see you again", etc.
It can be used to refer to persons, places, moments in time
 
Omfg
GDPR GDPR GDPR
3
 
?
 
|GD{R!
tommorow it's over \o/
 
Well I better go home, looks like there's a cab driver protest supposed to start any time now blocking the roads. Yay.
 
6:40 PM
Thanks.
 
@Ave I don't mean to be rude. Maybe a bit sarcastic... But if I came out as rude, I'm sorry.
 
hmm
is there some way to force 1803 to download
because it's stuck on status:downloading - 0% for liuke.... ever.
 
@djsmiley2k That's my regular experience with Windows updates
 
lol
leave.
 
Is there any disk activity? Sometimes non-downloady stuff is going on when it says it's downloading but seems stuck
 
6:58 PM
... something is? ;/
 
!!panic
 
@CircusCat That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
';'antimalware service executable' :/
 
!!learn panic <>https://media3.giphy.com/media/HUkOv6BNWc1HO/giphy.gif
 
Ah, that's probably just a scan, unless it's writing in which case it might be doing a definitions update
 
6:59 PM
@CircusCat Command panic learned
 
!!panic
 
Me right now. Yes, there's two of me running in opposite directions screaming!
 
@djsmiley2k Did you try running the Windows Update Troubleshooter?
 
I dxin';t know there was one
@Michael is that a real thing and how do i run it~?
 
7:15 PM
@djsmiley2k Type "troubleshoot" into the Windows search box in the task bar.
 
So there was this dev Meetup we're hosting today at 7:30 PM and we had 80 sign ups and now there's the bus panic and we don't know how many will actually show up....
 
It will open the Settings app and show you a list of troubleshooters.
Or, go to [ Windows Settings > Update & Security > Troubleshoot ]
 
windows update database corruption :O
installing \o/
 
7:32 PM
@CircusCat Now don't go bumping into yourself, that'd be rude.
 
7:48 PM
@djsmiley2k :D
 
 
1 hour later…
9:08 PM
installing.... 63%
ooooooo 84%, it's speeding up
 
ooooooo
 

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