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Journeyman Geek

9:03 PM

ow?

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank enpass.io

problem solved

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Namecheap 2fa is its own app :|

Although I do already use Bitwarden as a password manager.

bwDraco

9:20 PM

@MichaelFrank Yeah. Why don't they use TOTP instead?

Michael Frank

Yea, it bugs me that they don't.

@bwDraco They do offer SMS though...

Michael Frank

9:37 PM

itunes.apple.com/app/id1124229084

What an interesting idea for an app. Social networking based on your car number plate.

allquixotic

9:57 PM

@MichaelFrank probability that person who's annoying you with their car's (location, speed, lack of headlights, etc.) doesn't have the YourCar app: 99.999%

Journeyman Geek

;p

Michael Frank

@allquixotic That's likely the same probability that some troll is simply going to walk around sending "Your car is about to be towed!" messages.

Journeyman Geek

.... sounds like a great use for the app

Run5k

10:36 PM

What is the consensus opinion regarding helping an OP who authors a question like this one: superuser.com/q/1324477/650163

It is quite clearly a duplicate of one of Super User's iconic questions, but the OP insists that they have tried everything within the original Q&A to no avail. While I can empathize with their frustration, I find that rather difficult to believe.

Michael Frank

It seems his actual frustration is that his computer restarts during his active hours.

Perhaps we could point him to a question about that, or one of these?

Run5k

@MichaelFrank , he hasn't been overly forthcoming with specifics, but in a comment below the first posted answer within his question he emphasized the following: "As for active hours, all hours are active hours for me, because I often leave computer running overnight, rendering stuff. I don't want it EVER restarting without my say-so."

Michael Frank

I guess all we can say is "Welcome to Windows 10, OS as a service!"

qasdfdsaq

@Run5k To be fair, most of them don't work, and haven't worked for years.

Reboot Blocker is the only one that looks like it might still work reliably, but doesn't help if you use standby/hibernate.

On a desktop computer using hibernate you could physically unplug it once hibernated as a workaround, but that's too kludgy, even for me. Plus it'd break WoL

Michael Frank

10:55 PM

@qasdfdsaq It also breaks wanting to render something 24/7. :)

qasdfdsaq

@MichaelFrank Well yeah, but the limitation of the application only applies when you're not using it 24/7 so is not relevant in that scenario anyway.

Bob

morn

@allquixotic lol I tried two years ago

we came up with some alternatives in chat

bwDraco

Technically, refusing updates is an EULA violation.

Run5k

Ultimately, is it not a duplicate because most of the answers are outdated?

bwDraco

microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/…

> By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

As such, Microsoft can declare systems blocking updates through unsanctioned means non-genuine.

Michael Frank

10:59 PM

Great! There's the answer. "Sorry, we cannot aide you with your attempt to use this product outside of the EULA you agreed to." Case closed!

bwDraco

You can delay the installation of updates for severa

qasdfdsaq

@Run5k That's an inherent problem in the current SE voting system that makes it poorly suited to handling situations like this. Which is one reason many types of questions whose answers are prone to change frequently are explicitly banned.

bwDraco

You can delay the installation of updates for several days, but bypassing the limit is a breach of contract.

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco Nobody said anything about blocking updates, this is therefore irrelevant.

Bob

@bwDraco That's a "you can't sue us for doing this". "without any additional notice". in any case, eulas mean diddly squat in many countries

qasdfdsaq

11:02 PM

The original question which we're debating if the new one is a duplicate of, doesn't even have the word "update" mentioned anywhere.

Michael Frank

@Bob Was this an alternative?

@qasdfdsaq In what other situations, excluding failure, does Windows 10 restart on it's own accord?

qasdfdsaq

Again, irrelevant. From the original question:

> I don't mind if it downloads everything, and then says "hey, you should reboot," but it should never reboot itself, ever.

bwDraco

This should help prevent uncommanded restarts.

Bob

@MichaelFrank iirc need to be Spanish

the country specific tlds are weird

Michael Frank

@Bob Do we not have any Spaniards??

Journeyman Geek

11:07 PM

No regulars no

Bob

@MichaelFrank we have @ThatBrazilianGuy :P

Journeyman Geek

There's one that pops by very infrequently but I haven't seen her in a while

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco It does not. It simply allows you to de-command an in-progress uncommanded restart, if you happen to be sitting at the computer watching for it when it happens.

Bob

@MichaelFrank namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/9246/36/…

Michael Frank

@Bob I was just looking through this.

Bob

11:09 PM

oh apparently es doesn't need to be Spanish, just needs id... hmmmmmmm

qasdfdsaq

People laugh when they see an ATM or public display running Windows 7 or Windows XP but frankly, it works a heck of a lot better than Windows 10 does in those situations.

Then again, they should probably move to Linux

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq The point is that you're more likely to be told that your machine is about to restart.

And through that dialog, you can schedule a restart at a more convenient time.

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco If someone's in front of their computer 8 hours a day, that's still a 66% failure rate.

If someone's at their computer 8 hours a week you're looking at a 95% failure rate.

The irony here is I can't restart, because I know one of the pending updates breaks the method I use to prevent uncommanded restarts.

Michael Frank

Days... nice!

qasdfdsaq

Speaking of which, I should probably pay my overdue server bill, otherwise there will be an uncommanded restart, which software cannot prevent!

Michael Frank

11:19 PM

@Bob Well, I'm not calling dibs on it. :)

bwDraco

lol

qasdfdsaq

@MichaelFrank Meanwhile, on my isolated Windows 10 machine...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob That's brazillian spanish. Not the same.

qasdfdsaq

I'm pretty sure I've forgotten the password to it, so if I restart I won't be able to get back in. Pray it doesn't crash...

Journeyman Geek

0_0

If you're in couldn't you set a password?

bwDraco

11:22 PM

I'll kill the joke: It's Portuguese.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco WE KNOW

;p

bwDraco

...and stepping out. That was intentional and borderline disruptive.

Journeyman Geek

That's kinda the point of an inside joke ;)

Michael Frank

@bwDraco It's okay, someone was wrong on the internet. I'm sure we all understand.

Journeyman Geek

Unless you wanted to volunteer yourself for the task of starting a many memes of for SU. Something I'd never do cause I half suspect an inordinate amount of them would be about me.

@MichaelFrank actually. Someone was wrong in meatspace if memory serves

That Brazilian Guy

11:24 PM

@MichaelFrank That's kinda cool, but what would be do with the domain? Just redirect here?

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Good point. I guess the benefit of running Pro is there's still the old fashioned way:

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy Sure, maybe through a few ad.fly or cash.ly links first? Generate a beer fund?

bwDraco

My apologies. I've cooled down.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq if you had been a second slower.... I'd say "notepad?"

@qasdfdsaq oh windows.

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank Why stop at ad.fly? Think bigger! Altcoin mining scripts is where it's at! :D

Journeyman Geek

11:26 PM

@qasdfdsaq ehhh, if you could boot up an ISO...

Bob

@qasdfdsaq btw, I'm now looking at S9

qasdfdsaq

To be fair I think the password I've forgotten is the pre-boot FDE one.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco chill. No one is mad at you. You don't need to explain yourself.

bwDraco

So... I think there are tools to reset the password since you're logged in...

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Bob

11:27 PM

@qasdfdsaq btw, I'm now looking at S9+, Note9 or S10 (next year)

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq time to back up ;)

Bob

def getting one of them

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy Monero miners, etc.

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq :/

Bob

@qasdfdsaq why not? :(

bwDraco

11:27 PM

What FDE? BitLocker? TrueCrypt?

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I'm thinking S10, if they move the fingerprint sensor back where it should be. Also, being the 10, hopefully they'll make an effort to make it extra special

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think I'll be sticking to op, if they don't massively muck up

tho, the OP6 is...

ugh, notch, ugh glass back....

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Shrug. It's a dumb fileserver. Mount disk, share disk. I could clone and image and recreate it in 5 minutes.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq ah ok

Bob

@qasdfdsaq problem with S9 is I want dual sim, which means import. but I want Australian rom

qasdfdsaq

11:28 PM

@Bob What's special about australian ROM?

Bob

but apparently since they went multi csc, you can't flash a specific csc anymore

Michael Frank

Hmm... I wonder if this Skype meeting link will work through Citrix in my browser...

qasdfdsaq

(I want dual SIM too, but $$$$. Argh.)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

@qasdfdsaq volte and Samsung pay settings

bwDraco

11:29 PM

I'm on a OnePlus 3T FWIW.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I was under the impression the difference was the tray ;p

Michael Frank

Nope... I guess it won't.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Ah. Never used Samsung pay cause my device is rooted. VoLTE I figured I'd reverse engineer, never really got round to it

Journeyman Geek

hm

I don't think my current main phone does VoLTE locally ._.

Bob

11:30 PM

@qasdfdsaq I'd just stay on the S7, but... yea now the screen's wonky after yesterday's drop, so looking at a replacement within a year

Journeyman Geek

The jelly does, slightly ironically

Bob

@qasdfdsaq yea, I don't want to root my next one

qasdfdsaq

It's somewhat ironic my much older Sony Z5 Compact firmware will work on VoLTE on several networks, where as my much newer Samsungs need operator specific firmware.

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq AIUI PCI DSS requirements prohibit payment processing on rooted/jailbroken devices.

Journeyman Geek

(also, ugh. Is it a normal thing to need to set APN settings manually with a MVNO?)

Bob

11:31 PM

@bwDraco they probably don't prohibit anything, it's up to the implementer's interpretation

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Eek. Yeah, I'm still on my trusty S7. Never had an inclination for the S8 or S9, although the new body is nice there's absolutely nothing I need in them, and at least one thing that's backwards and worse

Bob

@JourneymanGeek not really

qasdfdsaq

@bwDraco And yet Android pay works fine.

Journeyman Geek

Had to do it on my dad's jelly, on MR. SO TINY

@qasdfdsaq edge or normal?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq not anymore, they blocked it recently

qasdfdsaq

11:32 PM

@JourneymanGeek Normal

@Bob Dangit.

Journeyman Geek

ah, nice phone. My dad has one.

(and thank goodness he got that over "whatever's free)

bwDraco

Which is why they check SafetyNet. Even though the device isn't being used to accept payments, the PCI DSS could be read in such a way as to cover mobile payment applications like Google Pay.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I still like my s7 and don't feel a need to upgrade but I do need a new phone and buying another s7 in 2018 seems a bit pointless

qasdfdsaq

Guess I could try downgrading the app. There's also plenty of root hiders that claim to re-enable Samsung Pay and Android Pay. Not that I use them enough to care.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq it's one of those auto upgrading ones

qasdfdsaq

11:34 PM

@Bob I'd agree. Difference is mine's insured against pretty much anything, so it's a £50 excess for a refurbished-to-new replacement

(£75 if I lose it through my own fault mind)

Bob

I'll probably wait for Note 9 or S10

unless it spreads like @JourneymanGeek's

qasdfdsaq

My main bugbear with the S9 is the fingerprint sensor location is the same as the S8, I don't see them fixing it in the Note 9 but maybe we'll get lucky.

If they do, then I'd consider a Note 9 myself as well.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ... both times. BOTH TIMES.

qasdfdsaq

Just like I eventually gave up my vehement opposition to touchscreen phones I feel like I ought to give up my present boycott of larger screen devices...

Journeyman Geek

Now it currently has a cheap case that could probably stop a bullet, and tempered glass screen protector.

Bob

11:38 PM

@JourneymanGeek was it oled?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yes

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Only on obscure/new MVNOs

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq MR's both

qasdfdsaq

@Bob It did what?

Bob

I kinda wanted to wait for a Note 10 but that's probably not happening now

Journeyman Geek

11:39 PM

You literally need an invite

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Well, there you go then

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq basically twitter.com/JourneymanGeek/status/952487207129919488

qasdfdsaq

Sony's fairly smart and stupid at the same time, in that the phone retrieves the latest APN information over the internet whereas with Samsung it's baked into firmware and needs a full OS update to update.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I needed to key in the APN information on a 2.4 inch screen. AND I HAVE ~~big hands~~ PAWS*

bertieb

@Bob I think I still technically have a Spanish bank account, if that helps?

qasdfdsaq

11:41 PM

So with Samsung you could be waiting months to forever for a new operator's settings to be packaged in, with Sony it's available immediately even on old devices once they know of it, but you have to be connected to the internet already to begin with.

Bob

mine is a 5 pixel wide line 4mm long just above the q on my keyboard

honestly I'm surprised the glass didn't shatter

Journeyman Geek

@Bob started as a dark stain and spread

Bob

1.5m drop into metal edge followed by tumbling down the rest of the spiral stairs

Journeyman Geek

so I think different failure mode, unless it spreads

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek And fingerprint sensor on the back D:

Bob

11:42 PM

@JourneymanGeek not a stain, just a line of permanently activated pixels

Journeyman Geek

If it does, you have at least a few hours to ~~make your peace~~

@bertieb my OP5T has that

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek What phone was that? Don't recognise the model

Bob

actually easy to ignore on light webpages... more annoying on keyboard and always-on lock screen

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq Oneplus 3

qasdfdsaq

Ah

Journeyman Geek

11:43 PM

I swapped it for a OP5T

qasdfdsaq

Wonder if the OP6 will have a decent modem

bertieb

I like a nice enclosing flip case :(

qasdfdsaq

Oh hey it's been released already

Journeyman Geek

I don't like cases.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq my Samsung and other (lg, nokia, idk Sony) have always received apn info from the carrier via message

Journeyman Geek

11:43 PM

I don't like broken phones even more.

qasdfdsaq

> LTE-A (4CA) Cat16

Woohoo! That's good enough for me.

@Bob Well there's that, but not all carriers send them automatically, and some send dodgy ones repeatedly when you don't need them. IOW, I ignore that mechanism because it's too inconsistent.

But yeah, it's been baked into the GSM standard for decades, so every phone supports it. Just the networks implement it inconsistently

Bob

ah

it's always worked alright here

but we only have 3 networks anyway

Journeyman Geek

Bob

@JourneymanGeek all the carriers here have instructions I their site but it's automatic anyway

That Brazilian Guy

HELP IT'S 20 DEGREES OUT THERE AND THE COLD IS ENTERING MY BONES

qasdfdsaq

11:46 PM

@Bob Same here! I mean 3 main networks.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I mean, the sim literally came with that

qasdfdsaq

Well actually 4, but eh.

Journeyman Geek

it'll detect as starhub otherwise

Bob

that's dodgy

Journeyman Geek

;p

On the other hand? Vaguely unlimited data (I see if I can test once I run out the data)

qasdfdsaq

11:49 PM

One of them never sends automatic messages, but you can request them via SMS
One of them sends them every time your SIM is put in a device with a different IMEI (which doesn't help if you factory reset and is just plain annoying if the settings are already there, because on my Android you can't just swipe away the notification, you have to *actually go into the settings list and clear*).
One tries to "detect" if you have invalid settings and sends them if they think you need them, except the autodetection always gets it wrong. Literally always. Like someone installed the gravity sensor upsi…

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq ooi! Not their fault they got the australian gravity sensor... ;p

qasdfdsaq

There used to be global third party sites you could request APN config messages from, not sure if they still exist.

Journeyman Geek

getting my sim tommorrow

not actually sure which phone I'll chuck it in

qasdfdsaq

Oh apparently it was the angular velocity sensors someone put in upside down that blew up the rocket

bertieb

@qasdfdsaq OnePlus UK are doing a sweepstakes type thing

If'n you're interested

I can link you, or figure our a referral URL which might give me an extra punt at the drawl

Its almost certainly easily googled, and happy to provide a plain non-ref link if not - I won't take offence :)

Journeyman Geek

11:53 PM

@qasdfdsaq oh also, OP phones ship with unlocked bootloaders and a fairly lax recovery environment - pretty easy to reflash

I reflashed my op3 since it came with dodgy firmware, then reflashed it again to the open beta

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Nice

Oh turns out it was actually this one I was thinking of:

Genesis (spacecraft)

Genesis was a NASA sample-return probe that collected a sample of solar wind particles and returned them to Earth for analysis. It was the first NASA sample-return mission to return material since the Apollo Program, and the first to return material from beyond the orbit of the Moon. Genesis was launched on August 8, 2001, and crash-landed in Utah on September 8, 2004, after a design flaw prevented the deployment of its drogue parachute. The crash contaminated many of the sample collectors, and although most were damaged, some of the collectors were successfully recovered. The Genesis science team...

bwDraco

I had LTE-A on my OnePlus 3T right from the start.

qasdfdsaq

> Lockheed Martin had built the system with an acceleration sensor's internal mechanisms wrongly oriented (a G-switch was installed backwards), and design reviews had not caught the mistake.

Strictly speaking it's an acceleration sensor not a gravity sensor but since gravity is just acceleration, close enough!

@bertieb Sure

bwDraco

Apr 7 '17 at 19:48, by bwDraco