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bwDraco

12:47 AM

Winter Bash is here

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(somebody should pin the above link; @JourneymanGeek you around?)

Journeyman Geek

Will shortly. Currently on walkies

Horn OK Please

> Due to a history of malpractice, Firefox 64 will not trust TLS certificates issued by Symantec (including under their GeoTrust, RapidSSL, and Thawte brands). Microsoft, Google, and Apple are implementing similar measures for their respective browsers.

wow, Thawte got distrusted - they've always been one of the big ones that were trustworthy (and expensive)

Journeyman Geek

Iirc geotrust is big and old too

Bob

1:11 AM

@HornOKPlease Yea, when they said everything Symantec, they meant everything Symantec.

Journeyman Geek

Everything symantec touches seems to turn to ~~gold~~ <deleted>

Bob

@HornOKPlease Basically the entire Verisign collection went to Symantec in 2010...

RSA => Verisign => Symantec => dead => DigiCert

Anyone want a zombie RSA cert?

Horn OK Please

my main domain chains up to GlobalSign :)

bwDraco

I have Comodo PositiveSSL.

Journeyman Geek

I just use LE :p

ugh.

Trying to play sunset overdrive. Its got a particularly annoying jumping puzzle I need to progress involving needing to jump on 10 platforms and performing a jump attack on the last. I hate jumping puzzles.

Did the 10 and was about to do the jump attack and...

"GEEEEK?"

I think I'll pick it up later.

Bob

2:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek jq!

Journeyman Geek

right done

Horn OK Please

reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/a592r1/…

@bwDraco Another GPU chipshot in case you're interested (a rumor, at least)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob jq?

bwDraco

Not much information. Might be a 12nm chip.

IMO not a very meaningful rumor.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek jumpquests, at least that's what we called them in ms :P

Journeyman Geek

2:18 AM

ahh

@Bob tbh its not as annoying as most

other than AHHHHHHH DAMN IT ALMOST GOT IT AHHHHHHH

(and it was my dad asking me about some $mostly_pointless_thing_no_one_cares_about....)

basically some site had a half-donkeyed tool for preventing people from downloading PDFs....

and you can just find the PDF location in the page source and download it there.

bwDraco

2:44 AM

...welp. Downloading an ISO for Windows 10 version 1809 〜October 2018 Update〜 via the media creation tool.

Not actually using it for installation or upgrade, but keeping it on hand just in case.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I usually use edge to "fake" being on an ISO device for that ;p

bwDraco

(wrote it the way subtitles are written in Japanese)

> Windows 10 version 1809 〜October 2018 Update〜

Threw out my old 1709 disc.

Still keeping my 1803 disc because Astaroth has yet to be upgraded (it's set to defer feature updates for 30 days—a perk of Windows 10 Pro)

Almost done verifying the new 1809 disc.

...aaaand done.

(if anyone asks: yes, I do burn Windows installation DVDs)

Horn OK Please

3:27 AM

Apple asked me to come into their store to 'demonstrate' the problem with my Vega 20 MBP's battery slowly draining when the GPU is fully utilized. I'm going to have ESO, ARK, and Unigine Valley on hand to demonstrate the problem.

bwDraco

@HornOKPlease Larger AC adapter? What did it ship with?

Horn OK Please

Basically, the Vega 20 + the Core i9 combined draw enough power that the 87W charger can't keep up, so the battery discharges at about the rate you'd expect while watching a video, even though the adapter is supplying 87W to the computer.

@bwDraco somebody on Reddit bought a 100W USD-PD adapter and the Mac only draws 87W

it seems to be limited on the Mac side to 87W

bwDraco

@HornOKPlease Is 13W more enough?

I suppose they could update the EC (err, SMC in Mac parlance) to support 100W input if needed...

Horn OK Please

@bwDraco maybe not, I'm not sure what the TDP of a Vega M 20 + i9-8950HK + Apple's display panel + the motherboard and cooling + TouchBar is :P

(this is with zero attached USB devices but WiFi and Bluetooth on and in-use)

bwDraco

(because Stolas, like many modern laptops, does have an EC which performs the same functions)

Horn OK Please

3:30 AM

to their credit, the machine performs pretty well, and the thermals are a bit less hideous than dGPU MBPs in recent memory

but I think this is a fatal flaw with USB-PD (the initial revision) in general

100W isn't quite enough for serious dGPUs that match or beat the mobile GTX 1060, especially when you have a whole system to run on that 100W, not just the GPU

bwDraco

Actually, I've written about this nearly three years ago:

Feb 11 '16 at 20:01, by bwDraco

I know that over USB Type-C cabling, one can carry up to 100 W (5A @ 20V), but that's not enough for some devices.

Feb 11 '16 at 20:02, by bwDraco

I suppose they'll probably mandate the use of a certain type of active cable for safety as 240 W is no laughing matter...

Horn OK Please

3:54 AM

it's kind of funny; Apple MBPs usually are underpowered with their GPUs being too weak for intensive gaming and such, or run so hot that they get thermally throttled really bad

Now they have a good enough cooling solution, a more powerful GPU, but the system can't deliver enough power to keep it running at full blast!

bwDraco

yesterday, by bwDraco

...interesting. Under heavy load, and with high-power devices plugged into USB ports, the battery on my HP ENVY x360 can be drained slowly even when plugged in. I wonder if a larger AC adapter would help...

(stock AC adapter is 45W, which is barely adequate)

bwDraco

4:29 AM

Sadly, there is nothing in the USB Power Delivery spec which would permit a power source to output more than 100W, even in a separate mode. It would need to be a proprietary connector.

Bob

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/12/…

lol.

called it.

bwDraco

Yeah. I seriously need to learn to check my sources better.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco in your defence, bloomburg is a great source for some things.

common sense though....

bwDraco

In the past, my tendency to post loads of rumors and other questionable content unchecked and without checking my sources had resulted in several instances of disruption. While sources are now checked more closely and rumors are marked as such when posted, this is not a fully solved problem and disruption due to misleading content is still possible under certain conditions.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek At this point bloomburg sits on my "do not trust" list somewhere between gawker and the verge

Journeyman Geek

4:41 AM

@Bob they're probably reasonably useful for... actual finance use

which is precisely why they suck for tech

Bob

@JourneymanGeek If they publish shit like this (with no retraction or further information, mind), I won't trust them for that either.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob well, I'm a fan of being skeptical of anything I see or read.

Bob

> Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or internatio…

bwDraco

5:23 AM

@HornOKPlease I'm getting the weird idea that the MacBook Pro's VRM is not even equipped to handle more than 87W (hence the weird wattage value). reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/91256u/…

rahuldottech

5:43 AM

@Bob which tech news sites do you trust then? Not The Register or Verge or Bloomberg...

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech you don't trust any :p

Bob

@rahuldottech I mean, the three you listed are possibly the least reliable of the lot

FML Cat

@Bob not terribly surprised, their my account page here is also broken half the times I try to use it.

Bob

So I'm not sure what my distrust of them is supposed to imply

rahuldottech

@Bob lol, which ones aren't? Ars, I suppose?

Huh. I thought Verge was cool?

Bob

5:48 AM

@rahuldottech Ars is usually reasonable. Anandtech is also decent. Funnily enough, the local SMH is alright but they source a lot of articles from Mashable anyway.

FML Cat

Also woop for screwy notifications

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek except HowToGeek! /s

@Bob ah, okay then

Bob

@rahuldottech ...have you seen the crap Verge puts out?

FML Cat

@Bob the register is alright imo. Sometimes overly sarcastic but not usually technically wrong.

rahuldottech

@Bob not really. Just a couple of their videos. Their Instagram videos feature this suuuuuper annoying woman tho who tries to break tech topics down but just ends up pissing me off

FML Cat

5:52 AM

Kinda wished I had a S9 now to try see if the "pre-5g" CA can be made to work.

Bob

@FMLCat True, I think my complaint at the time was the overly sensationalistic headlines and language.

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat oh god.

El reg's articles on my employer are horrifying

Horn OK Please

@Bob I'd be slightly skeptical of the company saying "our products are fine" even if an "outside" firm did the audit, but with companies like Apple and Amazon going "We found no evidence that their boards are wonky", plus Supermicro saying that, it's pretty clear the entire story is BS

Bob

@rahuldottech ...have you seen the "how to build a gaming pc" video?

That one was by a Verge editor IIRC

rahuldottech

@Bob no, lol. Worth a watch for a laugh?

Bob

5:54 AM

@rahuldottech If you can find it

Oh here's a mirror

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek wait what is your employer a big country? Or do you mean the military? ;P

Bob

How we built a $2000 custom gaming PC (Mirror)

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Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech the company that has the contract with the government agency

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek ah.

> New Verizon execs say old Verizon execs made a $5 billion mistake betting on AOL and Yahoo

Lmao who would've guessed

Bob

@HornOKPlease As has been pointed out so many times, the idea is ludicrous and reeks of technologically-challenged conspiracy theory. Because replacing an existing chip or even just the firmware is orders of magnitude easier to do and harder to detect than adding a, what was it, "rice-grain sized chip" to the board somewhere.

FML Cat

5:56 AM

@Bob yeah tbh that's what I meant. As usual you manage to word it better than me.

Bob

The burden of proof on this one is firmly in Bloomburg's court, IMO.

Horn OK Please

@Bob did... did he just put on a fake "anti-static" bracelet that was literally a rubber band? :D

rahuldottech

@Bob yeah. I read the article and I just went... wot

Horn OK Please

Cordless Anti-static Bracelet, Garbage or Junk?

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Bob

@HornOKPlease Yuuuuuuuuuuuup.

There's so much wrong with it... like, he did literally everything wrong.

FML Cat

5:58 AM

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Q: Can a water damaged motherboard or power supply ruin a functional CPU?

I found half of a desktop on the side of the road the other day. It included a 430 watt power supply, DVD r/writer, ASRock B250M-HDV motherboard, Pentium g4560 CPU, as well as a case with both side panels missing. This open case left part of the motherboard exposed to the elements on both sides. ...

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech on the contrary they probably did very well for themselves

FML Cat

Lol. Would answer this but its too late/early

Bob

It's almost an experiment in how many things you can do suboptimally or wrong and still end up with a working PC.

@FMLCat Isn't that an easy answer? "Yes." :P

Horn OK Please

I think he used too much thermal paste

rahuldottech

CORRECTING THE INFAMOUS VERGE PC BUILDING VIDEO

Horn OK Please

6:06 AM

@Bob JayzTwoCents did that on youtube just a few days ago I think?

rahuldottech

Sorry for the caps, too lazy to retype

Horn OK Please

DID HE FORGET FANS???

he has a 1080 and an 8700K and no case fans

FML Cat

@Bob it's more it depends. In terms of testing the mobo itself, since some have diagnostic displays, beepers, etc, and you can manually measure the output of the voltage regulators

rahuldottech

Lmao

Okay, losing access to Internet for a while. Be back later

FML Cat

@rahuldottech I've actively tried and failed to do that around here. Even the underground clubs that used to be dead spots have coverage now thanks to L800 penetration

rahuldottech

6:11 AM

@FMLCat well, my mom's taking the WiFi hotspot router thingy to her office so...

I don't have a Bhutan sim

Bob

6:23 AM

@HornOKPlease He put the PSU in backwards. He seems to have left out a screw on the CPU HSF.

Journeyman Geek

7:32 AM

yay, 2 unique hats

tho one is cheating.

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