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12:02 AM

@bwDraco that said, things like that should fail safe not fail live.

Bob

@bwDraco then use the brakes.

ubu16

Hi,I received Creator Update for Windows 10 more than a month ago,but I don't receive nothing for the second pc.Can,please,someone explain to me why?Thank you

bwDraco

@ubu16 It's a staged rollout. Microsoft seems to have taken much longer than expected, though.

Also, what processor?

(systems with certain Atom processors won't get the update due to a compatibility problem which Intel will not address because they've terminated support)

ubu16

@bwDraco,The processor is Intel i7

bwDraco

@ubu16 Okay, I'd suppose it's Microsoft not sending out the upgrade to that system.

ubu16

12:11 AM

@bwDraco,have I just to wait?

bwDraco

Major updates by vendors like Microsoft and Google tend to be done in a staged fashion, gradually delivering the update to select devices and users over time until all eligible devices are updated. The idea is so that 1) server load is kept in check and 2) the rollout can be stopped if a serious problem is discovered that didn't appear in earlier testing.

@ubu16 Technically, you can use the media creation tool to download an ISO image of the installation disk for the latest version of Windows, but it's not exactly recommended for the Creators Update.

pcworld.com/article/3192588/windows/…

ubu16

@bwDraco,I prefer to wait.Thank you

bwDraco

The point is, Microsoft is trying to make this process as problem-free as possible. If you go ahead and do this, you're on your own. I tried it on one of my computers and it worked, but there's no guarantee it'll succeed.

Does that machine have anything in the way of unusual hardware?

ubu16

@bwDraco,no it doesn't

@fixer1234,is this the right way to get in touch with you?

Bob

@ubu16 laptop or desktop?

ubu16

12:24 AM

@Bob,is a laptop or notebook

bwDraco

What model?

fixer1234

@ubu16, that should work, but nothing has shown up in my inbox yet. Sometimes there's a long delay in the system processing the notifications.

Bob

@fixer1234 notifications are only instant if you select that option

fixer1234

@Bob, didn't know that. Where do you set that?

ubu16

@bwDraco,Asus AK73

Bob

12:27 AM

@fixer1234 in your chat profile

prefs tab

hm, perhaps not quite instant

fixer1234

@Bob, thanks. I'll have to check that out.

bwDraco

@ubu16 Are you sure this is a laptop?

The only thing I can find from a Google search are references to an extremely old motherboard.

Is this a typo?

Bob

@bwDraco lol, I know what you mean but that's a pretty funny way of phrasing it

"I know you're sitting in front of it and all, but are you sure it's a laptop?"

:D

bwDraco

Are you referring to the ASUS ROG G73Jh?

(older gaming laptop - older hardware of this sort are more likely to hit compatibility issues with newer versions of Windows)

ubu16

@Bob,yes it is a notebook

@bwDraco,it's not new.It has 4/5 years

@Bob,asus.com/Laptops/K73SV

bwDraco

12:38 AM

Oh, okay.

Mainstream laptop, Sandy Bridge-era.

ubu16

@fixer1234,the clean up is required?

bwDraco

GPU's Fermi (GT 540M, 96 CUDA cores in 2 SMs on GF108 @ 700 MHz). However, I don't quite see a reason for there to be compatibility issues - it's still supported.

fixer1234

@ubu16, not "required", but trivial to do to be good citizens. :-)

bwDraco

(though given the age of the GPU, chances are good NVIDIA will drop support for Fermi soon, though this suggests otherwise)

ubu16

@bwDraco,thank you,as I said,I'll wait.Because I don't like to force the update

@fixer1234,I'm a little bit scared because I have the transcription and are 35 pages.I'll take a look in the next days

fixer1234

12:53 AM

@ubu16, I wasn't referring to the chat room, just what's on the answer. :-)

ubu16

@fixer1234,OK.Now,sorry,but for me it's too late.Have a good night

bwDraco

1:07 AM

Nighty-night.

allquixotic

1:55 AM

Kitey-kite

Bob

2:12 AM

Bitey-bite

Bob

2:26 AM

did someone accidentally the whole network?

Circus Cat

@Bob yeş

Circus Cat

2:46 AM

@Bob easy! Solve the problem by GOING FASTER

Bob

...pawprints on the concrete

Circus Cat

Or if you don't like just going faster... as you said yourself, neutral, brakes, turn off the ignition, or if you're macho grab a knife, stab a hole into the bottom of the fuel tank, and wait for all the petrol to leak out

If my motorcycle accelerator got stuck at full the brakes would still stop it, albeit possibly with some loss of control in the wet, but motorcycles also tend to have big red emergency engine cut off switches

Still can't decide what to get as a replacement phone.Xperia XZ Premium has most of the features I want but is expensive as hell, and note 8 isn't out yet

If I had a note 8 I'd prefer some sort of Qualcomm dual-SIM edition though which may or may not exist

Bob

@CircusCat IIRC it's generally a design requirement that brakes on any vehicle can overpower the motor.

rahuldottech

@Bob Oh it is? Cool.

That REDACTED Guy

@Bob I think you a word there.

Bob

2:57 AM

That's assuming you just jam the brakes on. Repeatedly applying them will probably make them overheat.

Circus Cat

@Bob is it? Hmm. I always thought it was common on high powered vehicles that brakes can't overpower the engine

Bob

(pump them instead of jamming them on if you don't have ABS)

Circus Cat

@ThatREDACTEDGuy nah he totally all the words

Bob

@CircusCat well, at least for all your typical cars, and probably trucks too

Circus Cat

My rear brakes can't overpower the engine at full throttle but might if I applied the parking brake and hand brake at the same time.but it's rare for a bike to have a parking brake

rahuldottech

2:59 AM

Funnily enough, If I am cycling at high speeds and jam on the breaks without slowing down the pedaling the breaks don't completely stop the bike, although they significantly reduce the speed

Bob

see also, reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1fm7qk/…

and also theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/culture/commuting/…

and even if it doesn't work completely, it'll at least slow you down

then, idk, scrape the side against a barrier or something

That REDACTED Guy

@CircusCat Well, I was worried for a while, but then I remembered how @Bob is one of the greatest I know.

Bob

@CircusCat mhm, bikes might be an exception

rahuldottech

@Bob I like how nonchalantly you say that :P

Bob

@rahuldottech well, if your choices are a head-on collision or ...

hey, if you have enough time to call emergency services then you have enough time to stop the car semi-safely

(also, protip, scraping against a barrier gently is safer than running off the road if it's not perfectly flat and clear. ditches make cars roll.)

Circus Cat

3:02 AM

@Bob I'm thinking 1000bhp+ supercars

rahuldottech

@Bob Maybe you don't have the ability, even if you have the time...

@Bob Also, gently is probably not possible at high speeds?

Bob

@CircusCat I would still expect the brakes to win, tbh, but it's hard to find evidence

Circus Cat

Granted my rear brakes are shit but if my 30bhp scooter engine can overpower the brakes I'm assuming a 1000bhp car doesn't have 40x stronger brakes

Bob

@CircusCat it has 2x the wheels, and a lot more braking assist power! :P

Circus Cat

Also it depends a lot on whether it's FWD RWD or AWD

@Bob but only one set of brakes per wheel whereas I have two

My front wheel has two brake disks/rotors which would be enough to stop the engine if it weren't for the fact the engine is connected to the rear wheel

The rear wheel has one rotor but two brakes attached to it which isn't enough to stop the engine, even though with strong enough applicator the wheels will skid to the point that ABS kicks in but I've never managed to get it to skid from a standstill with the engine.

Aka I can't do burnouts or donuts on it but I can drift!

Bob

3:07 AM

> We included the powerful Roush Mustang to test—in the extreme—the theory that “brakes are stronger than the engine.” From 70 mph, the Roush’s brakes were still resolutely king even though a pinned throttle added 80 feet to its stopping distance. However, from 100 mph, it wasn’t clear from behind the wheel that the Mustang was going to stop. But after 903 feet—almost three times longer than normal—the 540-hp supercharged Roush finally did succumb, chugging to a stop in a puff of brake smoke.

allquixotic

Interesting

Bob

=> caranddriver.com/features/…

though they do mention that it's possible that the brakes don't work at all ... which is a giant O_O

allquixotic

Dell updated the Synaptics touchpad driver on the Alienware 13 R3 recently...

Bob

hm. is it even legal for brakes to not be mechanically linked on cars?

Circus Cat

@Bob at 70mph you're probably in a pretty high gear ...

allquixotic

3:07 AM

it's not as good as the Macbook Pro still, but it's MUCH better at accurate palm rejection and scrolling

Circus Cat

@allquixotic hmm I should see what dell has updated for my alien ware 15.

Bob

@CircusCat apparently on some pickups the rear drum brakes are too weak too

@CircusCat yea, but that's kinda the point - if you're in a low enough gear that it won't work... well, you're not going so quick

Circus Cat

I suspect if they repeated the test with the mustang starting from a standstill in 1st gear the results will be different

allquixotic

@CircusCat If it's an R3 I'd imagine it's the same driver

R2 or older, who knows

Circus Cat

@allquixotic it's an R4 I believe. But I can't remember. The 15 and 17 are the same motherboard but ones an r3 and ones an r4

Yup mines an R3

allquixotic

3:10 AM

so the generations don't match up? the 13" might even be a newer model and the R3 could be the "R4" from the others

Bob

@CircusCat maybe

allquixotic

the Alienware 13 R3 is Kaby Lake.

Circus Cat

@allquixotic yeah The same gen 17 with same moBo is an R4 for some reason.

allquixotic

7700HQ base

Circus Cat

Basically last year's refresh with new chassis came out as 13r3 15r3 and 17r4.

Both 6700 and 7700 came out in the same generation (13/15r3) as it was a drop in replacement. No revision change with the new CPU

13r3 is available with skylake too. As is the 15R3 and 17R4

Bob

3:13 AM

@CircusCat yea, looks like that might be the case subaruoutback.org/forums/61-general-discussions/…

Circus Cat

Mines a skylake, part of why it was £400 cheaper than new

> 5) driver figures he has it under control
6) brakes heat sufficiently they lose effectiveness
7) car accelerates
8) driver regrets not having made out their will

Heh. If there's one benefit to my phone blowing up its that now I can finally have SE chat back on my home/frequently accessed screen in chrome.

Bob

@CircusCat ...blowing up?

@CircusCat yea, seems to be consensus is to shift into neutral

(and if you really are left with hammering on the brakes ... pray, and maybe give the whole external friction thing a try)

I wish mythbusters were still running :P

they did give that whole stopping-a-car-by-shifting-to-reverse a shot

Circus Cat

3:29 AM

@Bob that'd just destroy your gearbox

yesterday, by Circus Cat

McDonald's

Who Dat!!

Circus Cat

I think my feet are corroding

Bob

@CircusCat O_O

Circus Cat

I stepped on a wet patch in the kitchen that had corrosive oven cleaner dripping onto it and now my foot has a big red sore area where it got wet.

Bob

@CircusCat how on earth

Circus Cat

3:41 AM

@Bob What, are we not all used to exploding Samsung phones by now?

Bob

@CircusCat ...washed?

Circus Cat

@Bob just washed it now. Thought it was just water earlier but obviously wrong.

Bob

ah

Circus Cat

My body's pretty tough. Like outdoor animal kind of tough. Which is why it took six hours for any noticeable effect from the "Warning: in case of contact with skin wash immediately for at least 5 minutes" shite

Bob

3:58 AM

yea uh... you should probably get chemical burns looked at