@MadaraUchiha that's not how graphics cards work

the outputs for the displays need to be physically attached to the graphics card itself, not to the motherbard, if you are using a discrete graphics card

@allquixotic I know how it works.

The problem being that the motherboard, usually outputs using the CPU's graphic support

Which Ryzen does not yet have

So only the ones connected to the card works.

you can't have the APU/IGP simultaneously functioning on the same display head as the GPU, because the IGP and discrete GPU have separate framebuffers

so you couldn't, for example, just drag windows between the two of them

you'd need a separate keyboard and mouse and X server and desktop environment and login session, and only on Linux would that even work

on Windows that type of configuration just wouldn't work at all

@allquixotic My older PC (with Intel i5) had this configuration and worked perfectly.

3 monitors on the GPU, 1 on the motherboard

With Windows, I haven't installed Linux on it (waited for this new PC for that)

@MadaraUchiha that's because on Windows there's a pass-through in the Intel IGP drivers that renders stuff to the IGP's attached monitor(s) in an off-screen surface (the pixels being generated by the discrete GPU) and copies it to the IGP's framebuffer

that's an Intel-specific thing and requires specific cooperating drivers between Intel and Nvidia/AMD

and the Microsoft graphics stack of course

Right

Which brings me back to my solution: Get a better graphics card that's able to sustain 4 monitors at once

yes, that, or wait until there's a Ryzen APU for desktops that fits your motherboard and upgrade to that, and hope and pray the APU to GPU sort of passthrough for AMD works the same as Intel's

Given that it's a company PC and I can just ask for more hardware, I'll go with the card option 😃. Thanks for your help.

I guess that explains why you have a GT 710 to begin with; I can't imagine any sane consumer purchasing that crap

then again, just being able to ask for and receive more hardware is quite nice; I know a lot of companies that simply say "no"

@allquixotic I literally think my watch has more processing power.

lol

lol

Apple Watch?

Nah, regular 'ol Casio

you're probably still right

@allquixotic To be fair, if it's buying more hardware vs me leaving, they'll take more hardware, and they know it.

@MadaraUchiha I'd recommend asking for a GTX 1050. No need for aux power, and enough performance to reliably run all your desktop apps without slowdowns. It only costs about US$120.

They might make faces, but they'll come around.

@MadaraUchiha I know some managers who would react very negatively to that and say basically, if that's how you feel then cya

@allquixotic Ah, I'm not going to say it

Nor am I actually going to leave over it.

But they know that a developer's satisfaction with their hardware is more important than the few hundred bucks it'll cost.

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125919

(not sure if that's enough framebuffer, though)

Hmm. Three outputs...

I'm in a situation where my hardware that I do real work on is provisioned by a customer (for "security" purposes they don't allow us to bring our own personal devices nor company-I-work-for devices into their network) -- and our mgmt wouldn't want to bother the customer with us asking for more hardware

@allquixotic To be fair, I am the one who asked for an upgrade from my older i5, and got it without much issue

the CPUs they give us are Haswell top of the line i7s, and 8 gigs of RAM which is nominally sufficient for what we do (usually), but the real bottleneck is a 5400 RPM HDD plus McAfee

I didn't count on 4 monitors being a problem, as it wasn't in the older hardware setup.

Why would I as a developer need four monitors?

@bwDraco One for the code editor, one for the result, one for the devtools, and one for the midget porn, of course.

I've generally worked on two monitors, and rarely three, but never felt a need for a fourth display.

lol

I got the chance for a fourth, it's nice, but not really impactful

@MadaraUchiha I found that by switching to ultrawide I reduced the number of monitors, bezels, HDMI or DisplayPort cables, and power plugs I needed by a factor of 2

To be fair, I don't mind losing the fourth, but then I have a problem with symmetry on my desk, and that will not stand.

21:9 resolution is more or less two bezel-less 16:9 screens side by side on a single panel

if you truly needed the space you could get two 21:9s, but for me, for dev, 21:9 is more than sufficient

The problem is I have this hole smack in the middle of the desk, right where a center monitor would be

I just kinda lay out my window(s) side by side and no longer need to task switch

So I can't do 3 and keep the desk symmetrical

More-or-less my current setup.

(The hole is where all the cables are supposed to go through)

@MadaraUchiha 1 in the middle and 1 either side isn't symmetrical!?

@DavidPostill Can't have it in the middle, that's where the hole with all the cables is.

@DavidPostill apparently all triangles are asymmetrical ;p (kidding)

3 is an odd number; if that's your pain, that's some severe OCD

No, that's not my pain

I get it, you have two monitors on your left and one on your right or vice versa

@allquixotic Yes.

If I were able to have 3 with one in the middle, I wouldn't mind.

But these desks (like everything in this blasted office) is third hand

@MadaraUchiha What size monitors?

24

why would anyone build a desk where you can't put a monitor in the middle... wow

@MadaraUchiha Resolution? I suspect 1080p.

@bwDraco Yup

@allquixotic Why would anyone buy such a desk?

both good questions

And the answer is: "It came with the office"

@MadaraUchiha Ah. I got around that in my old home office by building a little wooden box to raise my monitors off the desk (with holes for the cables to come out where they were needed). It also made a handy space to slide my keyboard away when I wasn't using it ... :)

@DavidPostill Well, the problem in my case is that the bases are fat

heh, my Predator X34 at home (no way in hell would work give me one of these) has two very thin feet at an obtuse angle, and an excellent amount of clearance underneath the monitor, nearly a foot, so I just shove tons of junk in there between my keyboard and monitor

My 27'' at home has a smaller base than those 24''

(in the above image: 23.8" 1440p display in the center, 21.5" 1080p display on the left)

@MadaraUchiha So you make a fat box :)

phat.

I'm kinda space-constrained, so I personally prefer 24" over 27", with the higher pixel density of 1440p.

i have 2 monitors on arms

@djsmiley2k That requires a wall in the right place ...

@djsmiley2k heh, that reminds me, there's definitely a culture of "higher-ups get better stuff" (to use MS Word and Outlook on, of course) at work; the higher-ups get those multi-monitor arm things that they can turn around a monitor for you to look at, and Aeron chairs

nod

I think one of them got an Aeron chair by being like "OW! MY BACK!"

im talking at home tho

@DavidPostill my arms attaht ot the desk

grrrr 'sea' key doesn't work again

LOL

cccc]

do a Ctrl+C on the 'c' character. oh wait.

lol

@allquixotic indeed ;)

put it on your clipboard with a manual right click copy, then Ctrl+V

Did you try rebooting? ;)

@DavidPostill it's dodgy keyboard on this laptop

!! s/[cC]/sea/g

@allquixotic I have had to do that in the past

@allquixotic put it on your sealipboard with a manual right sealiseak seaopy, then seatrl+V (source)

sealipboard?! XD

@DavidPostill How does it help me? If it takes the same amount of desk space?

@MadaraUchiha Because the cables are under the box and rerouted to where they are needed? You can now have a monitor in the middle ...

!! s/[Cc]/kuh/g/

@allquixotic @MadaraUkuhhiha Bekuhause the kuhables are under the box and rerouted to where they are needed? You kuhan now have a monitor in the middle ... (source)

lol MadaraUkuhhiha

@DavidPostill I'm probably imagining it wrong

@MadaraUchiha Yeah, I can't be bothered drawing a picture and I don't have any pictures of my old home/office.

a wath doesn't have ram

FFS

my jkeyboard has a lithp?

cccccccccoconut.

The cyclic calcic choccy coccal chic crocodile chewed confectionaries conspicuously once cornered.

There, FTFY.

!! s/[Cc]/sea/g

@allquixotic The seaysealisea seaalseaisea seahoseaseay seaoseaseaal seahisea searoseaodile seahewed seaonfeseationaries seaonspiseauously onseae seaornered. (source)

seahoseaseay?

@djsmiley2k seahoseaaholisea :)

right bed time o/

@djsmiley2k good job there was no c in that :). Nitenite

@MadaraUchiha If the desk is damaged, why won't they give you a new one?

This one still makes me laugh:

@bwDraco It's not damaged. It has a hole cut in it to allow the cables to go through the desk. The hole is in the wrong place so he can't have a central monitor.

@DavidPostill Ah.

That sucks.

(nopes on the question of "will I ever need more than 8C/16T"; see context)

With the advent of Ryzen Threadripper, which is a NUMA platform supporting up to 16C/32T... has anything really changed on this front?

morn

roar

soar

soap

@allquixotic err. Incorrect actually. Assuming you run Windows 10

And possibly play with settings. I got this working with ivy with settings meant for lucid.

It didn't work, pre on die you because the on board video used the same lines as the GPU and windows could only run one video driver at a time

I hate people who think apple are good

@CoderCat eh. Some people like it. From a certain point of view

everybody else uses normal solutions such as DELL, HP, etc

they dont have stupid apple solutions to problems

because they know that they are a bad idea

Ehh. Desktop I diy. My current main laptop is a razer

im fine with people liking it but saying its better than windows is absurd. its not a fly on windows' arse

But I don't believe in one size fits all

Well tight integration with the hardware is nice

nor do I, windows is not perfect I agree

its nice if you have a mac which will break anyhow. cant put OSX on a PC without hacking it

windows has to juggle with way way more stuff such as support for legacy technology or advanced features which experts actually need

lol

eg: active directory

I've said this quite a few times in the past... Apple's platforms have the advantage of total vertical integration. This means streamlined performance and superior reliability. But it comes at the cost of lower flexibility and less choice.

and being glued together

mustn't forget that! oh yeah and only having 1 port but costing more

such innovation that is

iphone 4 - the phone where you cannot hold it like a normal person cause it loses signal

lol

#antennagate

I've tried OSX, hated it