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Journeyman Geek

12:12 AM

._.

@DavidPostill clearly you're oppressing the newbies.

Just cause you've spent a few years more and are trusted by the community does not give you the right to... OH WAIT, IT DOES....

never mind, carry on

lol

lol

He's complaining because I closed 2 of his other (identical) questions. I haven't closed this one (yet) ;)

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Q: Laptop thinks I'm holding down on certain keys

Out of the blue, I have this problem where my laptop thinks I'm holding down on certain keys. The first time it happened, it thought I was holding down the Ctrl key. The second time, it thought I was holding down the i key. Can anyone help me?

I'm tempted though ... too broad?

duplicate

@Burgi Of?

12:27 AM

FYI: Watching video with VLC media player on an NVIDIA graphics card? If the colors don't look right (blacks look gray, whites aren't white, etc), see this: wiki.videolan.org/VSG:Video:Color_washed_out

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hm

> 13 year old boii

man, that's a long time to have a boil

(this happens if VLC is using NVIDIA hardware-accelerated video playback)

Hmm. boii ≠ boil. Someone need to find a better font :)

12:43 AM

@DavidPostill loads of questions about weird keyboards

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Q: My keyboard is typing by itself, could there be a ghost in it?

The keyboard on my laptop seems to be typing by itself: It sometimes types characters like 134, whether by itself or when I hit certain keys. Repeating characters may appear unexpectedly. The system volume may change by itself, or windows like the Print dialog or Web browser may appear. This ...

laptop keyboard hardware-failure community-faq

Voted to close.

has everyone seen star wars yet?

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@Burgi I have

@JourneymanGeek yay, nay or meh?

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@Burgi its one of those movies

12:49 AM

i personally think it is the "mehest" since the episode 1

Journeyman Geek

I loved it - but I saw a lot in it some other folks didn't

it needed to be half an hour shorter

Journeyman Geek

eh.

it was almost two movies squished together

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eh

I enjoyed bladerunner other than the full bladder

so that's a less of an issue for me.

12:53 AM

the casino bit just was totally out of place, it needed to be a filler movie off the main arc

other than that i enjoyed it

Journeyman Geek

ehh.

but that kinda was so they could get ~~londo~~ DJ in

and the force-sensitive kids.

~~and give the asian girl something to do so they can sell star wars better in china~~

Journeyman Geek

And I think they were trying to be too clever with the callbacks

lol

Isn't the actress vietnamese?

and and...

little people!

its christmas, my cynicism is in overdrive

@Burgi It's been Christmas since September.

Journeyman Geek

12:56 AM

Also, whoever played that A wing pilot was cute

And it's Easter already.

Journeyman Geek

also, does anyone in the room mind spoilers?

Merry Eggsmas! Shoppers are bemused to see EASTER EGGS on the shelves before the Boxing Day sales have even begun

@JourneymanGeek As long as it's not GoT spoilers I don't care :)

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also, wasn't the actress vietnamese?

12:58 AM

she's american

imdb.com/name/nm4511652

> Her parents are from Vietnam.

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Yup

it probably means me and my friends are racist or something because honestly the first thing we all said was "was rose just in it to sell star wars in the far east?"

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Naw, its a perfectly white reaction to assume all asians are chinese g

we are all white western men in our 30s

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They probably got her cause she plays cute and innocent well. She's like a female version of shortround....

Who incidentally was also not played by a chinese actor....

1:02 AM

the whole "romance" they tried felt soooooo forced

Journeyman Geek

oh her whole arc is mary sue.

and I do wonder where DJ's revelation about the arms dealers leads

did you notice R2D2 being an utter arse again?

Journeyman Geek

sooo, here's my theory. Each of the new movies both focuses on transition and on one of the old charecters

the next one was supposed to be Leia.

also why did nobody tell poe what the plan was?

Journeyman Geek

Cause Poe's an idiot

1:06 AM

he was the commander of the fighter squadron

Poe's Law?

Journeyman Geek

one of the really important plotlines is how each person grew - and its no longer about the "one hero"

@Burgi who got most of his command killed.

@JourneymanGeek true

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Likewise Finn grew from a coward, to suicidally heroic to fighting for someone.

yes

i want porgs at my local cantina

Journeyman Geek

1:10 AM

roasted, with one staring at you in horror?

Crait Fried Porg

lol

did he eat it or throw it away, i can't remember?

Journeyman Geek

wasn't really shown

IMO, twas a cheap joke

oh and a lot of the show was about subverting what people expected.

2 hours later…

Journeyman Geek

2:54 AM

hah

youtu.be/AJxHhRTmZaw?t=1387 apparently old thinkpads had a display on the keyboard and function keys

3:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek I think that PSU question should rather be a duplicate of one of the "how do I calculate" questions... pretty sure we have a few.

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sure, find me one ;p

lol

on phone

and searching is a real pain because there's no search button

so I have to hit enter, which apparently translates to "pick a random autofill instead of what you just typed"

Journeyman Geek

better?

@JourneymanGeek Looks to be, thanks

I finally got search working by manually editing the url :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

supposedly one of the side effects of channels is better search for everyone

3:53 AM

@JourneymanGeek it's not the search functionality, it's a ui issue

@FMLCat just saw the LG OLED TV in store ... ... ... I want one. And I don't even watch TV.

So I get that Linux is 'flexible' about this, but where do you put applications?

Journeyman Geek

4:35 AM

@MichaelFrank for your own use?

Or something I might access through a webgui

Journeyman Geek

hm /opt in theory, but /usr/bin . for a webui /srv maybe? with /var for data?

5:26 AM

WRONG WINDOW

Journeyman Geek

OMGWRFBBQ

(happens to all of us)

5:52 AM

Is Australia OP?

@Bob ^^

o.O

@allquixotic are ... are those runescape hit marker thingies?

6:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek so somehow the mini pc was meant to come tomorrow but is actually coming today

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0_0

with 87 deliveries ahead of me

(6 now)

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Chinese deliveries early?

did I mention it's a public holiday today?

@JourneymanGeek via DHL

Journeyman Geek

SAY. IT. ISN'T. SO?

ah

that's good no?

6:13 AM

ya :P

having to be home did kinda mess my plans though

6:23 AM

what's uATX and how does it compare to Micro ATX?

and can a Micro ATX case use uATX?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic basically yes

@allquixotic why would you want to go smaller? :P

(pretty sure u just means micro)

μ = micro

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cause they're the same ;p

@Bob I don't. I just saw a bunch of Micro ATX Z370M boards that have two memory slots, which really weirded me out

Journeyman Geek

microATX (sometimes referred to as µATX, mATX or uATX) is a standard for motherboards that was introduced in December 1997. The maximum size of a microATX motherboard is 9.6 × 9.6 in (244 × 244 mm). The standard ATX size is 25% longer, at 12 × 9.6 in (305 × 244 mm). Currently available microATX motherboards support CPUs from VIA, Intel or AMD. == Backward compatibility == microATX was explicitly designed to be backward-compatible with ATX. The mounting points of microATX motherboards are a subset of those used on full-size ATX boards, and the I/O panel is identical. Thus, microATX motherboards...

6:27 AM

and it seems uATX boards actually put the GPU vertically O_O

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic shrug better design?

Vertically?

like, using a raiser?

Zat doth not sound right...

or maybe not, nevermind, that's just a huge honking heat sink on it

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hah

also

mATX ought to be able to fit up to 4 slots of ram ._.

unless you mean mini ITX

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188191

explain that, then

Journeyman Geek

total misuse of space? ;p

that's an oddly sparse board

compare it to newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157793

6:34 AM

it'd be amazing if I could find a Z370M motherboard that has a Class 1 Bluetooth adapter built into the board

I'd buy that in a heartbeat

Journeyman Geek

ehh, probably would be connected internally over USB ;p

but they have huge honking antennas to put on it!

>
Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265 card

The Wireless module is pre-install in the M2_3 (KeyE) slot.
Supports Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual band (2.4GHz, 5GHz) up to 867 Mbps speed.
Supports Dual Mode Bluetooth® 2.1, 2.1+EDR, 3.0, 4.0, BLE, 4.2

msi.com/Motherboard/Z370M-GAMING-PRO-AC/Specification

Delicious!

Journeyman Geek

bad kitty. don't eat cards

I don't eat cards; in fact I don't eat anything; in fact I haven't moved since that girl put a flower on my head. I've been a statue for several years now

Journeyman Geek

You're clearly hungry and want some fibre(glass) in your diet

6:39 AM

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also, you could, in theory pop one of those in yourself and wire up some high gain antennae? ;p

huh. Intel's 9th gen BT cards are out now

that mobo comes with this, but the best/latest is this!

> M.2 CNVio

what's that? and does my Z370M support it?

@allquixotic Sure. There's two of them, actually.

The MSI Z370M Gaming Pro and the Asus ROG Strix Z370-G Gaming

Funnily enough I think the Z370-G is the one I recommended for my friend the other ady.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic unless your system has a blacklist (and that's almost always laptops) you should be fine

@Bob ok, but could I upgrade to the Intel 9560 that has Bluetooth 5?

just for ~~funsies~~ future-proofing

Journeyman Geek

6:45 AM

@allquixotic in theory? just unplug the card, plug in a new one, attach antenna

unless you had an oddarse non standard mount

that would be my luck

Journeyman Geek

if its m.2 its probably fine

@allquixotic Sure, the M.2 2230 modules should work on a "standard" M.2 2230 slot.

The M.2 1216 modules miiiiiiight not work.

Journeyman Geek

My desktop has one of these cnet.com/products/…

on a non standard connector

(actually, @allquixotic might have this on his last pc? ;p)

@Bob the mobo already has a M.2 1216 WiFi in it, I'm just going to replace it with the next gen one :P

(still 1216)

hmm, Amazon doesn't seem to carry the Intel 9560, it might not be out yet

6:51 AM

trying to create a video from an audio file i.e a black backround with just audio

but without downloading some big program to do it

Journeyman Geek

@CoderCat Might want to try the main site, or software recommendations

O_O

@JourneymanGeek apparently they dropped it off half an hour ago

I didn't even notice :P

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0_0

(I did tick the "I'm not home" but ... I am home)

oh god how much tape did they use

Journeyman Geek

had mental image of box next to @Bob, and @Bob doing a double take.

@Bob ALL THE TAPE

7:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek more like glancing at my phone, noticing the flashing light ... wait, messages? wait, it's been delivered?!

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@Bob I reject your reality and substitute my own. With ninja delivery men cutting holes through the fabric of reality to deliver you your chinese mini PCs....

Dramatic Cat does a double-take!

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@Bob ah yes, the wonderful goldenrod packaging indicative of a Chinese knock-off :D

lol

7:06 AM

I see that all the time on EverythingApplePro's iPhone clone unboxing

Journeyman Geek

;p

I need to find my knife

I need to go borrow Dave's knife

intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/…

I wonder if the Z370M doesn't even support this "CNVio" protocol over PCIe, and that's why I can't buy any Intel 9560 chips anywhere yet

maybe I have to wait for Cannonlake to get BT 5 :/

@JourneymanGeek Amaranthine is now my new test track :P

still using Fearless now and then though

Journeyman Geek

;p

7:07 AM

but BT 4.2 Class 1 should be "enough" if the low latency somethingorother (I'm no longer saying "AptX LL" since that guy on Reddit convinced me I might be using SBC LL O_O) is supported

Journeyman Geek

Indica!

most of the headphones I tested today (hi @allquixotic) were on Amaranthine :P

@JourneymanGeek needed something I could pull up real quick on my phone while in store

hi @Bob and thanks for testing headphones vicariously for me

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ahh ok

cnx-software.com/2017/08/23/…

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WTF

so they're moving the logic to the PCH.... does that mean you can't upgrade it now?

7:09 AM

@allquixotic looks like that's the case

you can always get a PCIe card and chuck it in a normal M.2 slot (or PCIe slot)

yeah but PCIe slots are at a premium for me. unless it's x1 and just so happens to fit under the 100 C RAID processor

@allquixotic you'd get two x1 slots and two x4 (M.2) slots in a new micro Z370 board

ok I really need to open this box somehow :P

use your canine teeth

Journeyman Geek

this is where having a human is useful ;p

it's not a normal box o.O

the top has no seam

7:12 AM

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that fox got in the box

...it's a box within a box

it's a fox-proof box in a fox-proof box

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@allquixotic considering the amount of tape it's probably actually bulletproof

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@allquixotic he's australian tho

he probably has a saltie sticker somewhere.

"YOU CALL THAT A PAPER CUTTER? THIS IS A PAPERCUTTER!"

incidentally the wifi card they put in doesn't do bt

the front fell off o.O

hm, AzureWave o.O

with an AR5B59 inside

and... there's a SIM slot?

but this doesn't even have a mobile radio!

8 GB of Samsung RAM :)

O_O A PM851 SSD

isn't that an OEM part?

of the 840 EVO gen?

7:24 AM

yeah, I had a Dell laptop for work with a PM851 SSD

it's an 840

huh. it has a non-wired front-panel jumper too

I could pull the board and stick it in a standard ATX case

actually. is this just a mini-itx board?!

nup, too small ... but the right dimensions to be nano-itx

can I use a Z170M compatible CPU cooler on the Z370M?

it's a CoolerMaster "low profile" one with a heatsink and fan

CPU fan jumper, cool

@allquixotic it should, afaik

this power adapter...

60W?

that's crazy high

2 hours later…

9:16 AM

...

the cable they sent with it is so weird

it has one of those stickers on it with "important safety instructions"

> This portable lamp has a polarised plug

...portable lamp?

maybe the celeron gets so hot it doubles as a light source?

> (one blade is wider than the other)

... uh. it's an AU-style plug. as in, the live and neutral are angled. it's always polarised. and the two blades are the same width anyway...

Journeyman Geek

9:30 AM

Oo

9:50 AM

i'm confused

hi confused

o/

10:17 AM

@Burgi you know 'I'm not a good dalek, you're a good dalek!' isn't that Clara?

@djsmiley2k You mean the companion at that stage?

Yes, Clara is there.

no no

in the original clara episdoes

she's trapped in a dalek but think's she's human still

And the doctor says to it/her "You're a good Dalek"

and that's her response, "No, you're a good Dalek!"

and then realises she IS a dalek

and proceeds to kill loads of the other Daleks to allow the doctor to escape

Ha oh man... I can't remember now.

I can't remember if when they find her on that crashed ship is in the same episode as that.

Anyway... I need to clean up before bed. Nightynight!

@MichaelFrank Your hatvatar reminds me of this guy

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@allquixotic Logitech's G933 has 15-20m range (~60ft)

10:40 AM

@MichaelFrank i think it's a later episode

where the doctor isn't with Clara for some reason

oh, yes, and he's trying to find her still

and finds the same Dalek as the one that's in that original episode

it's the dalek aslyum or something

Into the Dalek

is appently the one with hte 'who's a good dalek' line

however it's the one where all the daleks are locked in the basement

the ones which are dying/dead

but not the rory/amy one

so maybe one with Bob.

10:57 AM

O_O

UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP

that sounds bad

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k no, its another dalek

the one that was damaged and saw a new star get born

o

11:52 AM

@allquixotic did some latency measurements, via a click track in Audacity recorded via loopback, using MME for max compat:
50ms audacity buffer (playback?) because otherwise playback is stuttery on some devices
total 200ms latency on wired loopback via sound card
total 150ms latency from sound card out to corsair headset mic
total 100ms latency from corsair headset out to corsair headset mic
total 150ms latency from matrix2 out to corsair headset mic

@allquixotic oh and 130ms via stereo mix

So idk if it's aptX or not, but it's comparable to the processing delay via the internal sound card... and oddly enough my normal wireless headset has the lowest latency. I don't think the matrix2 does LL so it's definitely not that.

Those numbers include the mic latency too, so pure output would be lower than that. Well, except the stereo mix result.

hi!

12:22 PM

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@Bob Just yesterday I was thinking I need some kind of larg(er) OLED display device... laptop or tablet or desktop display

@FMLCat it was beautiful and oh so expensive

Every review of an OLED laptop has been "OMG this is so game changingly amazing" I'm surprised they have't taken off yet

and will probably have burn in within the first month :P

@Bob Only if you purely use it to play KSP 24/7

12:32 PM

@FMLCat were you going to do something else?

@Bob Probably movies, or screen tests :-P

Or Just Cause 3

Or GTA 5

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ffmpeg ist ze best!

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Oh, wait. Wrong chatroom. But yeah, it ist.

user226528

I wrote a Windows Registry script that changes the color scheme of Command Prompt to Monokai. I received both praise and abuse.

Journeyman Geek

12:59 PM

J'ABUSE

1:14 PM

@Bob huh.

@JourneymanGeek I need to decide if I want WinServer or Linux on this box :P

@allquixotic idk, it was a poor man's latency test :\

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ~~why not both~~

more or less following this thing => manual.audacityteam.org/man/latency_test.html

Journeyman Geek

Linux sounds less troublesome if the controller will run on it

O_O

@allquixotic I think my matrix2 is actually simultaneously connected to my phone and desktop

...did not know it could do that

1:21 PM

@Bob Bluetooth multi-point is a thing with BT 3.0, but doesn't work with aptX for some reason

@allquixotic ... I'm gonna go and make sure it's only connected to one thing, and run that test again

170ms

down to 140ms on WASAPI instead of MME

200ms on directsound o.O

@allquixotic ^ apparently WASAPI is great (expected), MME is poor (expected) and directsound is horrible (...unexpected)

170ms is too much if that were just output, so it's hard to know what portion of that is due to the loopback, the mic, etc. (personally I don't care about mic latency, but boy do I care a lot about playback latency)

@Bob not unexpected; dsound got reimplemented on top of mmdevapi and is basically an API translation layer at this point

@allquixotic it includes input - considering I got 100ms testing purely with the corsair headset, that means BT must add at least 70ms on top?

could be ~120ms assuming it was equal out + in

could be better, gotta remember I have an additional 50ms on audacity buffering

@allquixotic you should run this test yourself

I wonder how different it'll be

@Bob well, AptX LL should be 38-40 ms from the time the data is transferred to the Bluetooth stack 'til it comes out your headphones

@allquixotic I'd not be surprised if the corsair headset (remembering it's a proprietary wireless protocol for a "gaming" headset) achieved something similar

or possibly even better - no BT overhead

1:33 PM

yeah, quite possibly better

maybe using ALSA on Linux would give you a closer to bare metal latency measure, at least for the USB soundcard based stuff -- raw ALSA without pulseaudio or dmix has no mixing buffer, so the latency is only the minimum required by the hardware

but idk if using the raw hw:0 would work with Audacity on Linux

@allquixotic just watching the audacity track (which includes all the fun latency from GPU, DWM compositing, monitor refresh ...) it seems to more or less sync up with the pings from the matrix2

so it's effectively below human perception, at least with my setup while gaming

yeah yeah, the Corsair VOID is great, I get it. the cups just look stupid :/

@allquixotic maybe, but I'm too lazy to try right now. maybe some other time.

I should try it on somewhere

but I don't think they'd fit me well

@allquixotic lol. that last comment was actually about the matrix2 (BT)

1:36 PM

oh

@allquixotic It's probably more or less the same as other wireless gaming headsets (steelseries, logitech, etc.) anyway

if you look at reviews, worse

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and, I got half my packages

the half that dosen't have the stuff I need to start

support.avantree.com/hc/en-us/articles/…

interesting - they have a YT vid with an experiment O_O

@allquixotic hm. I wonder how they tested - how they eliminited input latency

ah splitter on the output side

yea, I can't do that - the splitter is inside the computer :P

well, I could, but then I'd be measuring the crazy high internal soundcard latency

hm. VAC split and see if my speakers or BT goes first?

lol all of Avantree's videos have the same happy music track

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