Root Access

Canadian Luke

12:23 AM

@Bob But would the decently long password be changed constantly to prevent brute force attempts from various botnets?

Michael Frank

fafsd97fh29&#&(HFh9F39#&#fhf

Should probably last a while.

bwDraco

Just changed my Microsoft account password as a precaution.

(was busy propagating the change to the various devices which have it stored)

Bob

@CanadianLuke It wouldn't need to be.

A 20-char password is not brute-forceable within a human lifetime.

Heck, within Earth's lifetime.

bwDraco

Even 16 characters FWIW.

(Microsoft account passwords are capped to 16 characters)

Bob

@CanadianLuke Rule of thumb: long password good. Password rotation stupid (security theatre). Password reuse bad.

3

If you want well respected/trusted sources, schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/frequent_passwo.html, schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/10/changes_in_pass.html, securingthehuman.sans.org/blog/2017/03/23/…. troyhunt.com/…, ncsc.gov.uk/guidance/…, twitter.com/troyhunt/status/762551411460575232?lang=en

Journeyman Geek

12:32 AM

I kinda want to... possibly could do U2F

Bob

The vast majority of password rotation rules are cargo culting... if you actually think about it, it's negligible to no security benefit.

Journeyman Geek

hm, if I could find the little fob

Bob

People just end up appending digits to it.

Journeyman Geek

^

or rotating between n+1 passwords with minor variations

Bob

And as you force people to try to remember more passwords for a single service, they're more likely to reuse across services. Which is probably the biggest no-no.

@CanadianLuke For perspective, (assuming fully random generation) a 20 char lower+upper+digits password is in the region of 2^120 while a 2048-bit RSA key is in the region of 2^112. If anything, that 20-char password is more secure against brute-force guessing. Of course, the main benefit of private keys is you don't share the key to authenticate, which largely avoids the reuse problem - but NTLM mitigates that (which is why NTLM auth is better than 'plain' password auth like SSH does).

Canadian Luke

12:39 AM

I agree rotating passwords on a regular basis (i.e. more than twice a year) is overkill. For devices that offer services to the outside, I still like enabling key authentication, as it's almost 2-factor: something I have (the private key that matches the public key I gave the server), and something I know (the passphrase of said private key). With SSH, I can connect to virtually anything within my network, same with at work

Also, I've seen many RDP servers get hijacked from the outside. I have a weird paranoia about it now

Now, why is a 2048-bit RSA key in the region of 2^112? And what is that region for, the entropy?

Bob

@CanadianLuke Entropy - symmetric key equivalence really. So the number of guesses you'll have to make to cover the entire keyspace.

Canadian Luke

20 char password = (20 x (26 + 26 + 10)) for numbers and letters only, which is 1240. If you add symbols, then it gets better

Bob

@CanadianLuke That's ... entirely wrong.

It's (26 + 26 + 10)^20.

Canadian Luke

So why would a 2048 bit key only have 2^112?

... You're right, my bad

Bob

Every character must be guessed independently.

Canadian Luke

12:43 AM

1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,052

Bob

@CanadianLuke Because it's not a 2048-bit symmetric key. It's a 2048-bit RSA key.

An RSA key is not a general random number.

Canadian Luke

So what is it?

Bob

An RSA key has a lot of restrictions. Specifically, it's a pair of prime numbers.

Attacking a randomly-generated password is much like attacking a symmetric encryption key. Every bit is random.

Canadian Luke

a 2048-bit key is 2048-bit long, it is counted with the binary system. You can represent it with 617 decimal digits using the decimal system. You can also represent it with a 256-character ASCII string. Also, AFAIK, this question is off-topic. — Adi Jun 23 '13 at 20:44

Bob

Attacking an RSA key does not guess every bit independently. Because it's such a limited structure, there's a whole lot of random bits that result in invalid keys.

@CanadianLuke You're looking at the wrong question. That's asking for the length of data. It's saying a 2048-bit RSA key is a 2048-bit RSA key, which is tautological.

You're equating a 2048-bit RSA key with a 2048-bit symmetric key, which is wrong.

If you really want a crypto.se question, this is the right one: crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/8687/…

Canadian Luke

12:48 AM

Holy f*ck, that's WAY over my head

So what is the strength of a 4096 bit RSA key?

Bob

Though I think the assumption there is that you know the public key.

I'm not sure how true that is for SSH.

Oh, apparently very true. ssh-keyscan even does it for you.

Canadian Luke

The public key is just that, public. Drop it on the servers you want to access, then when you start the SSH session, the challenge is sent with my private key, the server goes through its public keys to try to decrypt the challenge. Once it finds a key that decrypts it, it encrypts a challenge to send back to me, which my private key decrypts, then we know the session is authenticated

I'm gonna head home though, I was done 20 minutes ago. Thanks for the lesson, and apparently I have a lot to learn. Have a good night guys!

Bob

@CanadianLuke Around 2^156

Bob

1:16 AM

1

Q: How to use all 4 cores of CPU on Raspberry Pi 3

I was wondering if there is a simple way to "turn on" all 100% of the CPU so that I can run processes faster (such as python calculations). 1) Is this possible? 2) Is there an easy way to revert back to normal? 3) Is there a way to use less CPU if desired? I'm thinking of a command line inte...

ohhhhhh boy.

Michael Frank

2:17 AM

@Bob TurnOnFourCores?!

Journeyman Geek

crimsondark.com/index.php?view=comic&strip_id=706

this is funny. And very dark

(the odd looking woman is a brilliant cyborg hacker who's just about to blow up a ship of pirates. I love my space opera)

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek It's crimson dark, duh.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy Its funnier when someone else says it ;)

Michael Frank

Sometimes I wish webcomics were much easier to deal with if you want to start at the beginning. :\

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Oh no! I was conned by a cunning canine!

ToxicFrog

2:49 AM

@MichaelFrank how do you mean?

Also, wow, I remember reading this when it was relatively new and then I lost track of it and couldn't remember what it was called.

bwDraco

...why am I not surprised?

Michael Frank

@ToxicFrog I could bookmark my position each time I stop reading, but what I'd really like is to use an RSS reader to mark them as read for me. However getting RSS feeds from years ago is always... tricky.

ToxicFrog

@MichaelFrank the feed is just an XML file, you could write a thing to generate the entries backfilling to the beginning.

I generally just use wget to download the whole thing in one go and stuff it into a cbz.

Michael Frank

@ToxicFrog This is something I'd be interested in.. since I would prefer to read on my iPad.

ToxicFrog

@MichaelFrank not too hard; CBZs are just zip files, so the only hard part is getting the images. If they're predictably named you can just wget them directly.

For something like Crimson Dark, they're date-named but the pages containing them are index-named, so something like... wget -p -nv -k -x 'http://www.crimsondark.com/index.php?view=comic&strip_id='{1..706}

And then you just fish all the images out of www.crimsondark.com/istrip_files/strips/

Journeyman Geek

2:59 AM

@MichaelFrank I've been reading this for years ;p

ToxicFrog

The nuclear option is to use wget -r to download the entire site, and then figure out where the images are kept and fish them out of there.

That said, if the comics you read are supported by Dosage, using that is a better option because it handles all the "figuring out where the images are" for you.

Journeyman Geek

orrr start here davidcsimon.com/crimsondark/index.php?view=archive

bwDraco

!!/oh

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: doh

ToxicFrog

@JourneymanGeek well, yeah, wget -r -l 1 -p on that archives page generally also works

bwDraco

3:02 AM

Jan 25 '16 at 19:57, by allquixotic

Jan 25 '16 at 19:58, by allquixotic

teachable for !!oh for Cavil once he's back properly (stolen from JS room)

!!/learn oh <>https://i.imgur.com/k8PBXVF.jpg

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco Command oh learned

Journeyman Geek

(also, RSS feeds are my preferred way to read webcomics

there's only 2 comics without a working RSS feed that I read

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Me to... when you're completely up to date. D:

ToxicFrog

@JourneymanGeek MichaelFrank already went over this -- the RSS feeds don't go all the way back to the beginning and this doesn't help with the "read offline on an ipad" use case in any case

Journeyman Geek

yup

Michael Frank

3:04 AM

Like, at some point I stopped reading Order of the Stick...

bwDraco

Jul 5 '14 at 12:24, by Journeyman Geek

Journeyman Geek

(also, at least one of the comics I read needs a large, hidip screen to read properly)

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek, what application did this come from?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco errrrr

ToxicFrog

@MichaelFrank ok, looks like dosage supports Crimson Dark, so dosage --all CrimsonDark should do the thing

Michael Frank

3:05 AM

@ToxicFrog Thanks! I'll take a look when I get home.

@JourneymanGeek Could be Steam?

ToxicFrog

(finding out about dosage has let me ditch a great many terrible wget hacks)

bwDraco

I don't recall Steam having a dialog that looks like this...

Michael Frank

@ToxicFrog Out of interest, does it support Order of the Stick and Gaia?

Journeyman Geek

I don't actually remember. Half certain its steam

Michael Frank

(I'm at work, and the dosage site won't let here for whatever reason)

bwDraco

3:06 AM

Then why is the font in this dialog Segoe UI (or so it seems)?

Michael Frank

@bwDraco The colours match, at least.

bwDraco

But this does not look like a Windows dialog.

ToxicFrog

@MichaelFrank yes

bwDraco

(at least not from the Settings app)

ToxicFrog

And now, the sleep

Journeyman Geek

3:08 AM

@bwDraco I have no idea ;p

Michael Frank

@ToxicFrog nn thanks for your help!

Journeyman Geek

ah!

@bwDraco I THINK it was an older version of gforce experience

Michael Frank

Oh... I can see that as well.

Journeyman Geek

notice the driver version mentioned

Michael Frank

The NYX was the one bit that was putting me off being 100% sure it was Steam.

bwDraco

3:11 AM

Ah, okay.

Journeyman Geek

also the fact that it mentions the GPU first and only the nvidia, not the onboard intel GPU

bwDraco

google.com/search?q=geforce+experience+specs&tbm=isch

Journeyman Geek

hah

That wasn't too hard. There was only 3 things I could think of that I use for sharing system specs

pirinform speccy, nvidia experience, and I coulda sworn steam had a system spec thing somewhere

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Steam: Help > System Information

Journeyman Geek

+ that dosen't show the second screen

ya, definately pre account gforce experience

bwDraco

3:16 AM

(under current GeForce Experience)

Journeyman Geek

ya

bwDraco

Device ID redacted; product ID isn't confidential.

13

Q: Is it safe that everybody can see the Windows product ID?

Is it safe that everybody can see the Windows product ID? What is my CD key given the product ID?

windows windows-8 product-key

Journeyman Geek

sure?

bwDraco

3:50 AM

techpowerup.com/gpuz/6g584

Well, Task Manager can be used to get CPU, memory, storage, and GPU specs as of Windows 10 version 1709 (Fall Creators Update)...

Bob

List of Americans of English descent

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Journeyman Geek

4:11 AM

this should be fun

planning on redoing my bias lighting. Got a longer strip of LEDs, a remote control relay, and should have a nicer way to connect and disconnect it.

And I can power it seperately from the PSU if I choose

XKCD

5:01 AM

Every time we detect an asteroid from outside the Solar System, we should immediately launch a mission to fling one of our asteroids back in the direction it came from.

Bob

5:12 AM

That's a whole lot of innuendo in one xkcd :P

bwDraco

5:52 AM

Almost flagged it.

:P

0

Q: Computer died after plugging in HDMI cord

Me and my brother both own a Lenovo idea pad. Both came with windows 7 but later we installed Windows 10 on them. I plugged in an HDMI cord into my port and plugged the other end into my smart TV. Instantly my laptop shut down and I could not turn it back on. I removed the battery and AC adapte...

windows-10 hdmi power

Does the cable somehow have mains power on it? This can happen if there's a problem with the TV that's causing it to leak mains to the HDMI cable. You'd want to use a multimeter to measure the connector's voltage relative to ground while plugged into the TV. — bwDraco 1 min ago

Journeyman Geek

or mains potential

Bob

8:07 AM

o.O

@JourneymanGeek sooo shadowplay can now record mic and system audio in separate tracks... :D

Journeyman Geek

nice

Bob

actually useful update? :P

I'd rather not turn mic recording off, ut don't always want it on... now I can just go delete the mic track later :D

Journeyman Geek

8:29 AM

ah lol

or find myself going run awaaaaaay on someone's soundboard

Bob

lol

@JourneymanGeek well, if you want to make a recording... :P

Journeyman Geek

naw, dosen't sound right unless we are actually running away. Also, I kinda hate the sound of my voice ;p

Boris_yo

8:53 AM

Is this fraudster? ebay.com/itm/…

Burgi

9:22 AM

@XKCD You picked the wrong Arthur C Clarke series

djsmiley2k

11:39 AM

@Boris_yo i thoguht photoshop these days required a subscription

user226528

It does

user226528

At least, Adobe Photoshop CC does. Other Photoshop family members, well...

djsmiley2k

11:53 AM

You know you're parenting right, when your daughter bursts into song, and it's Foo Fighters.

ToxicFrog

12:04 PM

@Burgi yeah, it's clearly Rama

Burgi

@ToxicFrog i'm glad someone else got the reference!

That Brazilian Guy

12:20 PM

803

Q: Why does man print "gimme gimme gimme" at 00:30?

We've noticed that some of our automatic tests fail when they run at 00:30 but work fine the rest of the day. They fail with the message "gimme gimme gimme" in stderr, which wasn't expected. Why are we getting this output?

date man

Burgi

yes we've seen that

user226528

That's why Microsoft has forbidden software easter eggs.

user226528

12:36 PM

O.o

user226528

There is 1,201 upvotes for that message!

user226528

That can lift one user from zero to mod status.

That Brazilian Guy

Yeah, that's something that bothers me a bit with how reputation works.

user226528

Technically, receiving 1,201 upvotes in one day does not yield 120,100 reputations.

That Brazilian Guy

Someone gets a lot of upvotes from either a lucky and popular question or answer, or over time from an old but silly question (eg. "How do I make a commit on git"); they would have privileges without the experience and contributions to the community

user226528

12:41 PM

Exactly. That used to bother me too. I vehemently discussed it. But as they say: This too, shall pass.

user226528

Well, it did pass.

rahuldottech

Oh my god folks look at this: reddit.com/r/all

Just look at it

user226528

@rahuldottech You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of spam.

rahuldottech

@FleetCommand That is not spam

That's a goddamn revolution

user226528

And that's exactly what a person unfamiliar with the concept of spam would say.

rahuldottech

12:47 PM

@FleetCommand Spam is unsolicited

thefreedictionary.com/spam

This is people generating awareness

That Brazilian Guy

@rahuldottech This is not a revolution, just some tiny sparks. But they are pretty, I admit.

user226528

lol

That Brazilian Guy

@rahuldottech I love how each subreddit has a themed title

rahuldottech

@ThatBrazilianGuy yeah

user226528

Neither of you two live in the not-so-united states of America. So, why bother?

That Brazilian Guy

12:51 PM

BECAUSE PRECEDENTS.

And some countries love to copy the US of A for reasons. Some stupid, some wicked.

user226528

Wikipedia:Don't stuff beans up your nose

As the old story goes: The little boy's mother was going off to the market. She worried about her son, who was always up to some mischief. She sternly admonished him, "Be good. Don't get into trouble. Don't eat all the chocolate. Don't spill all the milk. Don't throw stones at the cow. Don't fall down the well." The boy had done all of these things on previous market days. Hoping to head off new trouble, she added, "And don't stuff beans up your nose!" This was a new idea for the boy, who promptly tried it out. In our zeal to head off others' unwise action, we may put forth ideas they have not...

rahuldottech

1:12 PM

user226528

Excellent! Not too shabby for a 5-years-old!

rahuldottech

@FleetCommand what

user226528

^

user226528

Also, I believe it is an iPhone screenshot.

rahuldottech

@FleetCommand Do you always have to make a constant effort to be a jerk and a killjoy or does it come naturally?

user226528

1:20 PM

How does congratulating you comes off as being a jerk? Did I say something that means badly in Indian English?

user226528

Or are you an iPhone hater?

rahuldottech

@FleetCommand No. It's just that you always... appear to make a deliberate effort not to get jokes. And just take everything way to seriously. Not sure if I'm the only one who gets this impression, but yeah.

user226528

@rahuldottech I do get the joke perfectly: Someone has searched his region for someone better than him and has found none. I am sure it definitely makes a five-years-old laugh. Unless, you have taken that imply you yourself are five-years-old, I don't see how you can be mad at this.

rahuldottech

@bur @tha That's an amazing easter egg.

user226528

Wait a second... You did receive that as meaning the five-years-old to be you, right?

That Brazilian Guy

1:25 PM

@FleetCommand Well, duh!

rahuldottech

First off: five-year-old - "year" shouldn't be plural. Secondly, I give up and am going to go watch a movie, goodbye

That Brazilian Guy

Hey @allquixotic, @JourneymanGeek, @Bob and whoever rents servers: BuyVM / Frantech are currently "out-of-stock" with their cheaper server packages. Does anyone know of similar cheap low spec servers I can buy?

user226528

@rahuldottech Well, there is a solution for that. First, always assume good faith when there is ambiguity. Second, even if you suspect "5-year-old" is a snarky comment about you, pretend it isn't. That defeats the person who intended it to be yours because he feels his shot missed the target. Nothing defeats snarkiness worst than the feeling that it had no use in the end.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy they should restock pretty quick..? what price range and specs are you after

That Brazilian Guy

Well, it's for a very basic site with expected low visits. I only wanted root access so I can use letsencrypt.

I intend to install WordPress on it with a basic template and no resource intensive plugins.

The budget is... undefined and assumed to be quite low. Ridiculously low.

I'm doing it pro bono for an organization.

Bob

1:45 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy well, uh... scaleway? though that one's better suited for a server you can easily clone/rebuild at any time, not long-term hosting

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Hm. Thanks for the tip.

I just found an apparently well-reviewed hosting that offers a low price / low specs plan with SSH acess and let's encrypt support

It's about half of what scaleway charges for their lowest spec, can be paid in local currency

Downsides it's shared, 256 MB RAM instead of 2 GB, 15 GB storage and 25 concurrent MySQL connections.

Miiiiight suffice. As it's a site for an event that has an (yet undefined) end date, we might end up going with it.

Burgi

2:02 PM

wow....

That Brazilian Guy

They offer a signup bonus that pays a whole year of this low spec hosting

Burgi

we've had this new server for 3 hours and it has already had 18 brute force attempts against it

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi pls.

8 connection attempts in the last 8 minutes for my home connection.

allquixotic

only 8? that's nice

That Brazilian Guy

Dynamic IPs

Burgi

2:23 PM

we've just had a quote for IT support and it is roughly half the price of our current supplier

user226528

O.o

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi ex director?

That Brazilian Guy

Half the price and half the quality?

So you guys don't do your own IT?

And what do you mean by IT? Fixing broken computers? Managing the local network of the office? Sysadmin? Implementing locally developed web apps? All of the above?

Burgi

2:44 PM

> Fixing broken computers? Managing the local network of the office? Sysadmin?

these

> Implementing locally developed web apps

my job

@JourneymanGeek no, they cold called me and piqued my interest because they are one of the few mac support companies i have come across

they are providing longer available office hours (7-7) and a paid for 24/7 support line

long and medium term project support

our current company only provide 9-6 support, no OOH and seem to operate on a repeat fixing basis

no project support

allquixotic

3:07 PM

why is it that the most featureful video editing programs have the worst file format support; grrrr

no matter what format my input file is in, 99% of the time I have to convert it to some extremely antiquated or uncompressed format first

Burgi

i believe the video team here uses aftereffects

allquixotic

the latest Premiere Pro works but Vegas Pro doesn't

Burgi

> The web site you are trying to access:
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.30/VirtualBox-5.1.30-118389-Win.exe
is listed as a site within the category **Download Freeware & Shareware**

OF COURSE IT IS!!!!!

flails

3

rahuldottech

3:28 PM

The man bug made it to El Reg: theregister.co.uk/2017/11/22/…

Burgi

also it appears we bought the version of visio without DB support...

DavidPostill

@rahuldottech It's not a bug it's an easter egg :)

rahuldottech

@DavidPostill yes, I'm so sorry, my bad. It's an amazing easter egg

2 hours ago, by rahuldottech

@bur @tha That's an amazing easter egg.

ToxicFrog

3:51 PM

@DavidPostill it's both; it was intended as an easter egg, the bug was that it triggered on some invokations that weren't meant to

(specifically, it was only meant to trigger on inputs that would otherwise output an error message like "Which man page do you want?" but instead triggered on everything)

(or, rather, not everything, but on some valid inputs that should have instead invoked the normal man behaviour)

Boris_yo

4:28 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy Must be your ISP?

Daniel Bischof

4:55 PM

Hey guys

Ben N

Hi!

Daniel Bischof

:)

Anyone a little bit familiar with VPNs?

bwDraco

A bit of a silly, and perhaps bizarre, question. Now, I've never been afraid of rodents of any sort... and in fact, I have actually gone after rats in the city in the past. By doing so, am I putting myself in direct physical danger?

Daniel Bischof

That depends very much on the rodent I guess ;)

bwDraco

I'm asking this because I've been disciplined more than once for doing this in the past, and because I've never feared vermin of this sort, I'm concerned I may be endangering myself.

I know this seems weird, but there's a genuine health and safety concern here.

I've never really feared insects, either.

Daniel Bischof

5:05 PM

If you're being sarcastic, I don't fully get the message

bwDraco

An issue of a similar vein... several years ago, I've purposely allowed (and have been disciplined for allowing) mosquitoes to draw blood from me instead of at least shooing them away.

No, seriously.

The practice stopped when I realized that the behavior was dangerous.

ToxicFrog

@bwDraco both rodents and mosquitos can be disease victors.

Some diseases you only really need to worry about bites, but others are transmitted in fleas (plague) or in urine/droppings (hantavirus)

AFAIK (but I am neither a medical professional nor a rodent expert), nothing rats carry is worth a 911 call. If you've been bitten, go see a doctor. If you haven't been, monitor your health and if you start getting sick go see a doctor and tell them about the rats.

Stuff like plague is now "you need a course of antibiotics" rather than "we need to burn down your entire village"

bwDraco

@ToxicFrog metro.us/local/100-new-yorkers-bitten-by-rats-each-year/…

> If you are bitten by a rat or a mouse, the Health Department recommends immediate medical attention. Bacteria from a rat’s teeth can cause anything from tetanus to rat bite fever, which can be fatal.

ToxicFrog

@bwDraco right, I would interpret "immediately" there as "go see your PCP within 24 hours", not as in "call an ambulance"

CoderCat

ok, how can I reinstall windows 10 so that my programs that are currently installed will still be present and also my data, but any left over crud from deleted programs will be removed

pc is starting to slow down too much now

Daniel Bischof

5:18 PM

I think that's hardly possible.

In earlier windows versions you could more or less 'upgrade' to the newer version and keep your settings. You might install win10 over win10 and keep your personal data but I think the programs might be lost.

bwDraco

@CoderCat Refresh keeps your data, but any apps not from the Windows Store will be removed.

CoderCat

hmm ok.

Daniel Bischof

I thought PC slowing down was a characteristic feature of Windows? :P

bwDraco

lol

CoderCat

I have VLC, Chrome, flstudio, LDD, LDCAD, winrar

will it keep my documents?

Daniel Bischof

5:20 PM

To be sure, macke a backup

FML

@ToxicFrog Ah but you can still die from rabies if you wait the two weeks it takes around here to see a GP

CoderCat

I suppose I could bare reinstalling the apps

bwDraco

@CoderCat Yes, refresh will keep your documents.

CoderCat

coolio

Daniel Bischof

Either choose a cloud-provider Or take an external harddrive.

ToxicFrog

5:21 PM

@FML fun fact, rats rarely have rabies and there are no documented cases of them transmitting it to humans

bwDraco

Is the refresh option actually available, though? It isn't on my custom desktop.

ToxicFrog

Other stuff they carry can become a problem in <1 week, though

Also, two weeks, wtf

CoderCat

I was thinking about using symbolic links to create a virtual install directory where no program is allowed to access folders outside of it, therefore all programs and their files are sort of centralised

Daniel Bischof

I think when you reinstall there should/could be such an option.

Why so complicated? Is there something complicated configured?

bwDraco

@ToxicFrog For whatever reason, I've always found rodents of any sort cute.

CoderCat

5:23 PM

if an app explicitally needs to access system32 or program files I can just make a new folder in the symbolic links root folder

programs scatter files all over the place and often dont clean them up after reinstalling them

bwDraco

@DanielBischof Newer versions of Windows are better behaved, and having an SSD, especially if it's of the NVMe variety, helps immensely. You don't have the sort of worsening disk seek delays that tend to plague old hard disk-based Windows installations.

CoderCat

needs an SSD

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ToxicFrog

@bwDraco oh, they are. My mom and sister both keep pet rats and they are :3 to the max

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Outsourcing the first two is OK, but outsourcing your sysadmins when you work with web servers is... weird.

Daniel Bischof

Open your 'Installed software' tab, save this to a file and reinstall manually. I know what you're trying to do but I'm not sure that will be successful. After all, Windows 10 should still rely on the registry - a new install of windows will ship with a clean registry, thus no program will be officially 'installed'

ToxicFrog

5:25 PM

(I don't, but my house has a bunch of pets that regard rats as food, between the cats and the snake; even if I kept the rats safe from them I worry they'd find it really stressful)

CoderCat

registry fragments are indeed another story

Daniel Bischof

Yes, you need an SSD. ;)

bwDraco

@ToxicFrog Yeah, always wanted a couple of pet rats :-)

CoderCat

isn't there a way to store them in ini files like in windows 95 rather than the registry itself

bwDraco

It's a shame rodents aren't long-lived.

CoderCat

5:26 PM

or in a seperate registry app exclusivley for these apps

Daniel Bischof

If anything, Win10 has become more closed in these matters so, without being sure of course, I doubt it.

Can I ask what's the problem with a simple clean reinstall?

CoderCat

maybe I should just use my software from the cloud in a web browser

but then again not all software is compatible/stable running like this

i.e let some server admin worry about my clutter

Daniel Bischof

I'm sorry if I can't help you much there, I'm using Linux exclusively since six years. There I could actually help you with that.

@CoderCat But from past experience, it miht be possible, after all the registry is also saved in a file somewhere in system32, but if you're doing a clean-up anyways, use the opportunity

CoderCat

maybe I can use a registry monitor to log any registry files that are not part of the OS

Daniel Bischof

* to get rid of your registry. Until this very day there is no clean installation/deinstallation process possible for all applications in Windows, so your registry clutters after some time anyways.

FML

5:32 PM

@ToxicFrog Fun fact, rats rarely have anything, what's your point?

CoderCat

:(

ToxicFrog

@FML that if you're worried about catching rabies from rats you're worried about the wrong thing.

FML

@ToxicFrog Yes well, our NHS is a bit screwed. One time I had to wait nearly 3 weeks, but we do also have an out-of-hours and urgent service

@ToxicFrog I'm not really worried about catching anything from rats personally.

Certainly not plague

Daniel Bischof

Just save your home folder on a hard drive or in the cloud and spend the same time you would actually try to figure out what you're trying to do to reinstall your applications.

FML

@CoderCat So, a UWP app...

bwDraco

5:34 PM

(chinchillas are much longer lived than most rodents, but also require more care)

Daniel Bischof

Ain't worth it to try to salvage a full Windows installation in 9 out of 10 cases

CoderCat

yes

FML

@DanielBischof Eh, I've managed to do it for 7 years straight.

Daniel Bischof

Then I pull my head

I just gave up with the OS at one point

Canadian Luke

Morning all

Daniel Bischof

5:40 PM

I'll try a second time.. So I have asked this question that I can't really find an answer to here on SE but it might have got under already. If someone would be kind enough to take a look at superuser.com/questions/1270843/… I would be quite thankful.

Thanks @CanadianLuke!

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke Good evening

Canadian Luke

@ThatBrazilianGuy What is Brazil's time zone?

Ben N

Hi!

That Brazilian Guy

GMT -3, currently GMT -2 due to DST

Daniel Bischof

@CanadianLuke But what kind of traffic is going through? Or better said what traffic is NOT going through?

Canadian Luke

5:50 PM

Depends on how you configure it. For example, the way my VPNs were set up by my predecessor is that all traffic routes through the VPN, except broadcast traffic. This way, clients on the other end think they are actually inside my work network, with access to everything, and I can access everything behind that VPN connection from the office

It will come down to planning. Are you looking to connect two office buildings together? Or for remote workers with their laptops to work from anywhere?

@ThatBrazilianGuy I don't know if I'd call it evening then, you're only 5 hours ahead of me :P

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke ~~Isn't it 3:50 PM evening?~~ OK, so I meant afternoon.

Canadian Luke

Oh, maybe for you guys... In my part of Canada (at least), we consider evening around dinner time, 5:30 or 6:00ish pm is when most people call it evening

Lol, yea, that's what we think too

That Brazilian Guy

It's confusing in Portuguese too.

Canadian Luke

When do you consider it evening, vs afternoon?

That Brazilian Guy

We have a word for "before noon", other for "after noon but not night yet", other for "night".

The word for "before noon" has the literal meaning of "morning".

But you don't say "good morning" to anyone, you say "good [word-for-'day']". And that means good morning.

Canadian Luke

5:55 PM

To us, "good day" is usually a good bye, but rude

However, "have a good day" is being polite

Daniel Bischof

No, that's just an OpenVPN client trying to connect to the server. Well it -does- connect to the server and judging from tests it seems to work but I was just curious why there would be other traffic that is not routed through the VPN.

Canadian Luke

@DanielBischof Using TUN, you need to specify what traffic moves back and forth

Do you want port 80 (HTTP traffic) being routed through? for example

That Brazilian Guy

If you say "Good [word-for-day]" after 12:00 PM people correct you: "No, good [afternoon/night]"

What's the difference between afternoon, evening and night?

> But night and evening are not always interchangeable. Whereas you can say “I’ll see you this evening” you would not hear *“We had dinner with them last evening.” And you could hear someone say it is 10 o’clock at night” but not *”10 o’clock at evening.” Even more tortuous, you could say “the concert starts at 8 o’clock this evening” but not *”at 8 o’clock this night.”

!!wat

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That Brazilian Guy

English is confusing.

FML

5:59 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy That's because they're two different words!

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