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Journeyman Geek

12:00 PM

@Bob a good amount of the value of a daiso product to me is how damned hilarious the instructions are

Ramhound

@DavidPostill - I am taking the next two days off

arda

@DavidPostill w7 is about to have its lifetime over.

Ramhound

So its my Friday basicaly

DavidPostill

@arda Rubbish. End of extended support "January 14, 2020"

Ramhound

There is nothing wrong with Windows 7

My stance will change on Jan 15 2020

But until then people should use Windows 7

Its fully supported

Its even being improved even today, because of the new update model, in Oct.

Journeyman Geek

12:06 PM

@arda only reason I managed to upgrade my dad to 10 was cause I convinced him he HAD to upgrade to get an SSD and my identical old system was running circles around his

arda

my bad

Ramhound

Which is a first for Microsoft...Normally something like cumulative updates wouldn't reach the previous version of Windows.

arda

the regular support is already over

Ramhound

security updates is all that matters

If the next version of TLS doesn't get added to Windows 7 my stance will change until then it can and should be used if Windows 10 isn't an option.

arda

Unrelated, can I get some tips? I'll make a 5 usd server on DO. What OS should I run to be able to run LAMP without MySQL or MariaDB constantly crashing (I used to run centos 7 and mariadb, which kept crashing, not allowing me to run a blog)? I might go ubuntu server 16.04 and maybe switch to ghost?

Ramhound

12:08 PM

You should determine the reason MariaDB is crashing

Journeyman Geek

what's a 5usd server have?

arda

@Ramhound out of memory.

@JourneymanGeek let me check

Ramhound

So is it running out of memory because of the size of the database is growing or because of another reason?

Bob

@arda then tune it to use less memory

there's options for that

arda

> 512MB Memory
1 Core Processor
20GB SSD Disk
1TB Transfer

@Bob I did, didn't work

Journeyman Geek

12:09 PM

that ought to be enough

Bob

@arda then tune it more

arda

@Ramhound database is tiny

Journeyman Geek

I run my web server on mysql/ubuntu/lighttpd+php-fpm

arda

blog with literally 2 posts

Ramhound

Something is eating the memory

Journeyman Geek

12:10 PM

nom nom nom

Ramhound

So what process is using the memory cause it isn't MySQL or MariaDB

Burgi

is it a hound? ;)

Ramhound

@Burgi HA...HA...HA

arda

ardao.me/blog it is up now - I switched to 20usd for 2 months to use free creds

Ramhound

Where is the sarcastic simile when you need it.

Bob

12:11 PM

@Ramhound it could well be -- DBs can use a whole lot of memory for caching, exceeding the actual DB size

Burgi

i thought it was hillarious

Bob

and thingsl ike query optimisation

Ramhound

I realize it could be. It shouldn't be using that much, more so, if limited to 128MB or whatever size chosen it shouldn't exceed it.

Journeyman Geek

oh

@arda I find sometimes top catches stuff htop dosen't

arda

Know what I'll do? I'll make a 5usd server to experiment with.

Journeyman Geek

12:13 PM

I had a specific ethernet card that would make the kernel of most linux distros take up a ton of ram, slowing down the system.

arda

as this one is on 20usd and I don't want more downtime, I suppose that is a better choice

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I think asus came out and blamed it on a quirk of the panel with firmware workaround

Journeyman Geek

@Bob was a tplink/realtek PCI gigabit card

arda

aaand droplet online. That was fast.

Rahul2001

@arda LOL, I probably won't get it printed :P

Bob

12:16 PM

@JourneymanGeek was relating to your message about the monitor recall

ah

Replying to

I was confused ;p

Can't direct reply to transcript on mobile

Journeyman Geek

yeah, that would indicate edp, and the panel maker messing up

Rahul2001

12:17 PM

@arda ARGH! THAT TEMPLATE! WHY DO I SEE IT EVERYWHERE?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 default?

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I don't like it a lot...

arda

@Rahul2001 %923864252875364652 of internet is wordpress, and %23487239265392 of them uses this terrible theme

also %34583927096 of facts are made up

not the xkcd I'm looking for

DavidPostill

arda

nope, it was a dilbert

Burgi

12:47 PM

arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/08/…

Dog

1:02 PM

Argh. Just woke up and realized it's not yesterday anymore

Journeyman Geek

"Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so faaaaaaaar away"

Dog

I see Burgi has a new face

Journeyman Geek

yup

Dog

Let's see if I got paid today

Oh hey, so I did

Burgi

@Dog i didn't like being pink

3

Dog

1:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek Speaking of, I need to go fetch my replacement anal monitors

err canal

Bob

@JourneymanGeek poke - steam?

Journeyman Geek

oh

Why was that off

0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

for some reason, steam is trying to start and failing

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@JourneymanGeek You have too many games on your library. Advised fix: transfer some to me. ;p

Bob

1:20 PM

@JourneymanGeek kill process and start it

happens sometimes

Journeyman Geek

I don't see a process ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek mumble?

huh

I have a copy of QtSDK

wonder why

arda

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse what is your steam id?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@arda steamcommunity.com/id/daydreaming_insomniac

...why?

arda

only 513 games?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

1:26 PM

@arda Are you being sarcastic here? How many you own?

jokerdino

5

arda

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse 847

I'm being sarcastic though

Journeyman Geek

I only have 285 ;p

That Brazilian Headless Horse

Well, considering games are so "cheap" here it's less expensive fly to the US, buy an xbox, stay at an hotel, and fly back, than to buy an xbox here, I don't buy that many games

I have 500 games bought over 5 years on IHB and Steam Sales.

And even then I ~~think~~ know I felt victim to compulsive buying.

I don't have time to play that much... =/

DavidPostill

Why Do Some People Start Every Word With A Capital Letter? Is There Some Education System That Teaches This Is The Right Thing To Do?

That Brazilian Headless Horse

1:31 PM

@DavidPostill Well, It Bothers Me A Lot, But Every Time I Question It, People Say It's How Things Have Always Been Done, Even Mentining Official Style Manuals for Newspapers

jokerdino

@DavidPostill it pisses me off a ton but when I tell people about it, they say I need help, which pisses me off even more.

That Brazilian Headless Horse

I Mean, In Artciles And News Pieces Titles. It's Really Strange, To Me Anyway

DavidPostill

It Is A Good Indicator Of A Poor Quality Answer :)

That Brazilian Headless Horse

Biggest brazilian news site: g1.globo.com NOT A SINGLE MULTICAPITALIZED TITLE.

arda

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse my reaction:

That Brazilian Headless Horse

1:35 PM

@arda About....?

arda

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse them not using title caps

a facepalm, directly from that website

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@arda I dare you to find a single mainstream Brazilian news site that uses title caps.

Title Caps Just Make No Sense

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse Oooh. A challenge :)

arda

I wonder if major turkish websites do. I don't read turkish news so brb

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse brasil247.com

arda

1:39 PM

Weird, title case is a thing in turkish, but well, hdn: no, hurriyet: no, sabah: no, milliyet: no

var firstName

Hey all

title caps?

DavidPostill

atarde.uol.com.br

arda

@varfirstName This Terrible Thing Is Called Title Caps

var firstName

<title /> caps?

arda

It is the proper way to write titles[citation-needed], but isn't used that commonly nowadays[citation-needed].

var firstName

1:41 PM

not really

Titles Go Like This

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@DavidPostill This one is not mainstream. (IIRC). The layout is UGLY as hell

var firstName

NOT LIKE THIS

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@DavidPostill This one might be

var firstName

The Wonderous Tales of Beedle the Bard

That Brazilian Headless Horse

But the thing is, both examples use all caps only on the home page, to call attention

var firstName

1:42 PM

That makes literally no sense

That Brazilian Headless Horse

If you click on the articles, they use normal titles, like this

var firstName

Like This?

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse It is #9 on "Top Brazil News Media"

That Brazilian Headless Horse

"Some person named John Smith says Rio is the worst city in Brazil"

var firstName

That's incorrect for a title

It's not a title

it's a headline

That Brazilian Headless Horse

1:44 PM

estadao.com.br

arda

man turkish news are terrible

That Brazilian Headless Horse

folha.uol.com.br

DavidPostill

@arda The user appears to be Turkish ... superuser.com/users/634315/karthik-srivijay. See most of his answers.

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@varfirstName Ok, so headline it is. The things that go on top of news articles on newspapers and news sites

Capitalizing Every Word In Headlines Is Really Weird To Me

var firstName

Titles are Like This

Headlines are Like this

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse It's a lot more natural with some specific fonts

That Brazilian Headless Horse

1:46 PM

Meh.

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianHeadlessHorse I'm not complaining about titles. The user is doing that in the body of his answers...

That Brazilian Headless Horse

@DavidPostill O_o o_O o_o >_< +_+"

arda

var firstName

Did Judge Judy just see porn?

:o

arda

@varfirstName no, She Saw Title Caps Being Used Inappropriately And Noped Out

var firstName

1:54 PM

Nah, I think it was porn

Dog

ebay.co.uk/itm/…

WTF

arda

@Dog but why

var firstName

@Dog is it SFW?

I see female and male parts

Dog

@arda Exactly

arda

@varfirstName it is SFW

var firstName

2:02 PM

@Dog but why?

Dog

@varfirstName Exactly

Oliver Salzburg

2:21 PM

What is it with the random changes in the ability to post images from clipboard into Skype? O__o

Skype Web even has an option to toggle that behavior

But it lacks the ability to disable those messed up huge animation emoticons

And, yes, I am forced to use that POS software

Rahul2001

2:42 PM

Gene Wilder's greatest quality was his comedic generosity

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4-K

hey

How do I know if my laptop supports 5.1 channel system? :(

Oliver Salzburg

2:58 PM

@4-K Look up the specs on the manufacturers website

4-K

doesn't say anything about sound

can I use 3.5 mm jack?

Oliver Salzburg

Then it probably doesn't have it

@4-K For 6 channels, it would have 3 jacks

4-K

hmm..

Journeyman Geek

prolly not without a external sound card

4-K

definitely :(

Journeyman Geek

3:00 PM

but those are cheap

if you don't care about sound quality

4-K

I will stick to 2.1

Do any of you guys have any suggestions for 2.1 channel speakers for games and movies?

I am very much confused

Journeyman Geek

creative's nice and boomy

4-K

between Swans M10, Z623, and Sony SRS-D9

Journeyman Geek

I just go with a basic pair of logitech 2.0s myself

4-K

or the top manufacturers?

Journeyman Geek

3:03 PM

@4-K that is totally a hardware recs question

Oliver Salzburg

I'd never buy any speakers suggested by someone from this room! ;P

4-K

haha

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg How are those M audios?

I never ended up getting those ;p

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Nothing to complain about

Probably the best speakers I ever had, so I don't really have anything to compare them to

Journeyman Geek

ah :)

availability here was shit

Oliver Salzburg

3:09 PM

Definitely better than any of the crap I had before though ;D

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

I'm using some basic Logitech 2.1s

That I haven't turned on in about a year.

Journeyman Geek

My current speakers are small logitech 2.0s

but I have 2 headphones that get used more

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, these are basically that plus a sub

Still, headphones :P

Rahul2001

TIL it's anyway, not anyways

Also, wiki is pronounced as weekee

Journeyman Geek

3:21 PM

@Rahul2001 unless you're londo.

and yes, its always been anyway anyway.

how else does one pronounce wiki?

Rahul2001

Most people pronounce it with short i's, the way it is written

Journeyman Geek

whykey?

Rhymes with tiki for me.

Rahul2001

tiki has multiple pronunciations too... :/

Bob

5

A: Pronunciation of "Wiki"

I think if you were to pronounce it "weekee" you would either come off as being pedantic, or from another country with an adorable accent, or you would spend a lot of time explaining what you meant — to people who then would say, "Oh, you mean a wiki!" I've given up on a lot of "correct" pronunc...

Rahul2001

lol

Bob

3:25 PM

Pronunciation: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikipedia#Pronunciation, en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wiki#Pronunciation

(that UK one sounds more like "wikpedia" o.O

Rahul2001

@Bob the pronunciation of the wiki in wikipedia is not the real one...

Bob

meh, define "real"

wiki as in "abbreviation for wikipedia"

Journeyman Geek

not part of a virtual prison created by alien overlords?

Rahul2001

wiki as in a document which can be edited by anyone :P

79 Common Mispronunciations - mental_floss on YouTube (Ep. 21)

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allquicatic

Welp, there goes my morning

Bob

3:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek debatable, if you can die in it it's pretty real :P

allquicatic

Spent the morning digging through piles of tech junk (e-waste which I just haven't thrown away, yet) and found my iPhone 6S+ Otterbox, and my Lenovo Yoga 2 and (much more difficult to find) its power adapter...

"Friend" (who likes to lean on me, excessively and often) wants to borrow a laptop. Limited amount of trust plus extreme degree of paranoia regarding my data = have to format. Plus I realized just how dog slow the HDD is

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquicatic

So I tore out an old Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB from another laptop's secondary bay, downloaded Sandisk SSD Dashboard, did a secure erase, and now I'm upgrading the Win8.1 on the HDD on the Yoga 2 to Win10 for the device entitlement, then I'll burn a Win10 thumb drive and install it on the SSD.

Journeyman Geek

@allquicatic if I was loaning someone a system for more than 5 minutes, I'd do a fresh install anyway cause.

allquicatic

And all this because his cousin -- cousin! (come on people, if you live far away from your cousin, you don't ask this of them) is getting married... and he has to fly out to them and his wife will be using his other laptop and he has "ethical" concerns about using his work laptop

AIROHGAOWERGFAOSEIKFRIOASJRGOASJDKVFOKZXFVOKASEROFKAWSOE PEOPLE

oh well, at least I used my new microfiber cloth and nice cleaning gel to give my Otterbox a facelift, and it feels much better than any of my other cases in terms of grippiness and phone safety

Bob

3:32 PM

o.O androidcentral.com/end-nexus-2016-google-phones-forge-new-path

> The 'Nexus' brand is going away

allquicatic

and -- a point of personal pride -- I'm able to give him Office 2016 and Windows 10 and an SSD in this laptop all without spending a penny

Journeyman Geek

@allquicatic or just buy a cheap netbook and use that ;p

allquicatic

why would I buy him a netbook? I already feel used and abused and I haven't spent a penny yet

(and no, he can't buy one himself because he's poor somehow; not sure how because he makes more than me)

Bob

heh, I find myself with an abundance of barely-acceptable hardware I wouldn't mind loaning (or giving), but being half a world away...

allquicatic

this friend at least will be very convenient to get to to drop this off, considering he's a 10 minute drive away

it'll cost all of 5 or 6 cents in gasoline to get there with my Prius

though I might be lazy and tell him to come to me

yeah... that sounds like an excellent idea

Journeyman Geek

3:35 PM

I mean he should ;p

allquicatic

no shit.

Journeyman Geek

yes you should

Bob

oh, @JourneymanGeek, tpg.com.au/nbn <== that's what I want but they haven't built it here yet and I'll be lucky to see HFC by 2020

("they" being the gov/nbnco, not tpg who's just a reseller)

Journeyman Geek

ah

fat cat

@Bob I remember someone else complaining about it too

Bob

@JourneymanGeek hm?

might've been me last time too :P

allquicatic

3:43 PM

I should charge him $10/GB for all data I use on my hotspot forevermore if downloading this Win10 ISO causes me to go over the new VZW unlimited-limited data "cap" and receive a disconnection notice

nah, it won't... should only be a few gigs right?

Journeyman Geek

naw

Its one of the SF/SE sysadmins, he moved ;p

@allquicatic I have a wierd policy for fixing friend's computers

They pay me what they think its worth, but if they don't pay me enough, I may not be free the next time ;p

(and I have a mental 20 dollar minimum, which is VERY reasonable)

var firstName

Wait

So if we think about electricity as a rocket

allquicatic

@JourneymanGeek in this case, I think my mom will be using this PC the next time we go on travel somewhere, so upgrading the SSD and giving it Win10 will actually benefit her during another short-term trip in the not too distant future

Journeyman Geek

ah

allquicatic

we don't currently have any travel plans, but it should be this year probably

Journeyman Geek

3:47 PM

lol

allquicatic

(for fun, hopefully, not for family emergency or w/e)

Journeyman Geek

if I get a longer job/contract and I upgrade, my dad's getting my x220

(already upgraded, 2x the ram, SSD ;p)

allquicatic

the Yoga 2's RAM is soldered onto the motherboard. Fuckers

var firstName

Is voltage the fuel, while amperage is the velocity, and watts as the force

Journeyman Geek

@varfirstName its like water. Voltage is pressure, amperage is flow, wattage is the amount of water ;p

allquicatic

3:49 PM

or in this case, the volume of fuel per second would be wattage

var firstName

so voltage is the force that the electricity exerts?

allquicatic

I'd liken voltage more to the diameter of the water pipe

var firstName

like bandwidth?

allquicatic

bandwidth is another thing entirely

var firstName

I know, but I mean, in a network situation, you have a limited size 'pipe'

Rahul2001

3:51 PM

No one in star trek ever says "Beam me up, Scotty"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, Mark?

Yea, we've spoken about it :P

var firstName

Beam me up, Scotty

"Beam me up, Scotty" is a catchphrase that made its way into popular culture from the science fiction television series Star Trek. It comes from the command Captain Kirk gives his chief engineer, Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, when he needs to be transported back to the Starship Enterprise. Though it has become irrevocably associated with the series and movies, the exact phrase was never actually spoken in any Star Trek television episode or film, however Shatner has said a few similar phrases. == Precise quotations == Despite the phrase entering into popular culture, it is a misquotation and has never...

jokerdino

@Rahul2001 he said that in the remake

var firstName

> the exact phrase was never actually spoken in any Star Trek television episode or film

allquicatic

apparently this Windows 8.1 has been spending about an hour "working on updates" and it hasn't even started that 2 hour long "Upgrading Windows" circle thingy

jokerdino

3:53 PM

or maybe I am remembering some variance of that line

var firstName

the remake isn't considered as canon

allquicatic

or cannon. BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

var firstName

so the electrical charge is how much water you have in the pipe, right?

Rahul2001

Darth Vader never says "Luke, I am your father", he says "No, I am your father"

Bob