Root Access

Bob

02:00

@JourneymanGeek that too :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob also these use a standard cart, which is nice

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I've been using them for about 6-1/2 years. Had a Pilot Varsity disposable at the beginning, but got a Pelikan M200 shortly afterwards.

Journeyman Geek

and has a nice heft

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya, I need to pick up some blue-black though :P

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the varsities are to me the 'gateway' pen

bwDraco

02:00

Again, why not get a converter and fill from a bottle?

Bob

that's the one this comes with

and it looks nice

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I have a bottle. We tend to pick up random pens for fun

bwDraco

Hmm.

Journeyman Geek

I have a black al star as my nice pen, and a bottle of noodlers

Bob

@bwDraco because the carts are cheap, they're convenient, and they don't sell this ink in bottles

bwDraco

02:01

@Bob What???

> they don't sell this ink in bottles

Bob

I've got more bottles of ink than I know what to do with, but they're not the same ink obviously

Michael Frank

I have two bottles of that Pilot Iroshizuku ink that I'm not using because my FP is rubbish.

Bob

@bwDraco it's daiso

they sell random crap

bwDraco

Ah.

Bob

my local ones have been completely out of this particular pen and ink for weeks now

Journeyman Geek

02:02

;p

Bob

no idea when (or if) they'll restock

bwDraco

@MichaelFrank That's pricy stuff. I mainly use Pelikan Edelstein.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I swear that's part of the daiso business model

bwDraco

I have a cheaper (~US$70) Pilot Prera that gets Sheaffer Skrip ink.

Journeyman Geek

I tend to pick up spares of stuff cause I don't know if it'll be available the next time I go there

Bob

02:03

anyway, I usually just use Quink cause it's easy to find at the local big store

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco we're talking about 2 dollar pens for the record

bwDraco

I know, I know.

Journeyman Geek

so... actually in the same price range as a varsity

Bob

lessee

Parker/Quink Black, Lamy Blue, Noodler HoD & Bulletproof Black

not very fancy :P

gotta find some good blue-black sometime

bwDraco

My main pen would actually cost some US$444 (~S$600) from the dealer I got it at today.

Journeyman Geek

02:06

tbh, my "have handy" pen's a g2 ._.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek cheaper

vpen is like $8 here

or was it $6

bwDraco

I paid $299 (~S$400) when I got it several years back.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

bwDraco

Yeah. Fountain pens can get really pricy.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek heh. I went with the refillable hi-tecpoint => jetpens.com/…

Journeyman Geek

02:07

@Bob I'm pretty sure it was under a fiver when I got it

and there's some things about the vpen/varisty that are nice.

bwDraco

@Bob We pay about US$20 for an assorted 7-pack.

Bob

@bwDraco those don't exist here

Journeyman Geek

If you refill mod it, it will happily take any liquid ink and never clog.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ebay.com.au/itm/…

nice pocket pen

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the g2 is reliable and never leaks ;p

JakeGould

02:08

!! caaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

@JourneymanGeek these take FP ink :P

Journeyman Geek

and I never keep pens in my pocket ;p

JakeGould

!! caat

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

02:09

never had a leak from them either

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Not a huge fan of rollerballs.

JakeGould

Okay, I get it. Life goes on now!

Journeyman Geek

(pocket? what pocket? I ~~have keys, phone and wallet there~~ am a dog.)

oldmud0

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/nx1q1b2nu265tbu/…

More progress on my crappy game

Turn down sound if you value your ears

bwDraco

Jan 26 '15 at 4:16, by DragonLord

I've had my M600 sit in storage for months at a time and it would start up right away, zero skipping

Still true. Also holds with my Pelikan Toledo M700.

So how much trouble (or lack thereof) have you had with your cheap pens? I know people like to get cheap stuff to play around with :)

oldmud0

02:13

I use a blue pen with a rubber tip so it works on stuff with touchscreens

Journeyman Geek

wierdly none

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, Lamy AL-stars are always reliable.

Had a Pelikano (P460) that was nothing but trouble for me.

Journeyman Geek

the older/shitty daiso FPs were actually platinum rivieres, which while cheap, weren't bad

the new ones are too new ;p

I quite literally have had one out of the pack for ... 30 seconds before I told bob

bwDraco

whoops, confused them with Sailor

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco their low end stuff has got good nibs

bwDraco

02:16

Platinum is one of the few that still make music nibs.

Bob

@bwDraco eh. some are crap, like the Riviere one from Daiso

the new Daiso one is excellent

not really fond of the slim metal, but it writes perfectly

Journeyman Geek

fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/…

bwDraco

10 cartridges at an RRP of 400 yen, lol

We routinely pay more than this for ten cartridges.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco ^ that's got a picture of the riviere, another daiso model I've not seen in the wild and the daiso metal ones

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Happen to have an account there.

Not a fan of bottom-bin stuff.

Tried a few cheap Chinese pens (forgot what brand), didn't like the feel of them (although their nibs were otherwise surprisingly good).

Certainly no match for my M600, but better than my Pilot.

oldmud0

02:20

lol at 「より黒く」, "only black!"

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I think you're missing the point ;p

bwDraco

They were too heavy for my taste.

...okay. They were Jinhao pens.

oldmud0

Zero gravity soccer - test 3

►

bwDraco

I just didn't like the feel of them.

Bob

eh, past a certain point you're just paying for the name

fountain pens aren't some amazingly complex magic

bwDraco

02:22

@oldmud0 Google Translate returns "more black". Incidentally, Pelikan makes an ink called 4001 Brilliant Black.

I don't use the 4001 inks any more.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob they're basically slowly controlled leakage ? ;p

Bob

lol

hm, in transit from facility to facility for almost an hour

bwDraco

A factor against the Pilot Prera is that it has an F nib. Considering that Japanese nibs are generally one grade finer than Western nibs, it's really an EF and writes a bit like a nail.

Bob

probably from Sydney airport which is about a half hour drive from here...

heh, a nail describes one of mine pretty well

Journeyman Geek

>_>

I actually like fine nibs

Bob

02:25

the pilot metropolitan iirc

bwDraco

That pen ran me US$60 (S$80) when I got it.

Bob

lamy safari was too broad at med

bwDraco

@Bob I suppose that's because you're used to Japanese nibs...

Bob

@bwDraco funnily enough? that safari was my first cartridge pen (after vpen)...

bwDraco

Writing sample?

Bob

02:26

posted them here a while back I think

cbf trying again now, and my handwriting is messy as all hell anyway

bwDraco

lol

Bob

(and only gotten worse in the last year... not much writing these days)

bwDraco

Me too ._.

Michael Frank

> I picked up one today and used it to practice grinding to XF. I'm contemplating on plugging the end and greasing the threads to turn it into an eyedropper when the cartridge runs out...

I know these are words... but it makes no sense to me.

Bob

lol

bwDraco

02:29

Jul 18 '13 at 10:04, by Bob

Bob

@MichaelFrank grinding the tip down to make it finer. eyedropper means refilled with an eyedropper... the entire pen body becomes the ink container

bwDraco

Doesn't really seem too broad to me.

Again, Japanese nibs are finer than Western nibs.

Bob

lots of extra ink pooling

and writing on lined paper... yea it's broad :P

bwDraco

That's more like flooding.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank a lot of people just fill a body of a pen with ink, then grease the threads with lithuium grease so it dosen't leak

basically means you have a ton of ink, and its as simple a FP design as you can get

bwDraco

02:32

@JourneymanGeek Me? I prefer integrated piston fillers.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I prefer carts or converters

since I have a bunch of printer ink refilling stuff, refilling a old, washed out cartridge is trivial

Bob

@JourneymanGeek and it squirts ink all over your pocket :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob and that.

Michael Frank

Yea... that sounds terrifying.

oldmud0

> A 20 track VHS unit from a call center could record 16 parallel bits, plus a data clock and 3 error correction bits. Recording 16 bit data at 2kHz would give a capacity of about 345 GBytes per cassette.

Bob

02:39

> Arrived at Delivery Facility in SYDNEY - AUSTRALIA SYDNEY - AUSTRALIA 12:28

oldmud0

Wouldn't you love to have 345 gb per cassette?

Michael Frank

Not at VHS speed.

oldmud0

Course not, it's not a regular VCR.

It's a recorder historically used in 911 call centers

With a heavily modded VCR, it could be possible.

bwDraco

@Bob ^^^

@oldmud0 You might as well use Ultrium...

Psycogeek

@oldmud0 not really, a 4T disk is about the same size weighs a bit more and comes with it's own reader built in , and HDs have had a very good reliability. perfectally good usable ones are like $50usd , a great VHS tape cost about $8 you would need ~10 of them $80 and they dont have built in error correction.

if you put a HD on the dash of your car, it wouldnt melt in the sun either :-)

bwDraco

03:00

@Psycogeek You should be using flash memory for these types of applications.

oldmud0

what 4 TB hdd goes for $50 now??

Psycogeek

@oldmud0 a used one.

oldmud0

maybe in 20 years 1 PB drives might be avail to consmr

along with 5 GHz processors

Psycogeek

but even new they cost about 109$ this week.

bwDraco

Nothing beats LTO Ultrium for sheer reliability, though.

oldmud0

03:06

32 GB, 5 GHz 16-core x64 with 2 qubit extensions, 32x pci express, 4k, gooplesoft macindows, 2 TB ssd with 64 TB hdd

Bob

> With delivery courier SYDNEY - AUSTRALIA 13:03

bwDraco

lol

It's getting late here. Good night.

(Trying to get out of bed earlier.)

oldmud0

everyman-4

Michael Frank

@bwDraco How's that working? I normally get out of bed around 6.45-7am

bwDraco

@MichaelFrank School's out and I don't currently have a job, so currently targeting 8 am.

I once tried 5 am. The result was very ugly.

Used to be a night owl, sleeping all the way to noon, but that's now really unlikely to happen again.

cat

03:10

!!caaaaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

@cat That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: caaaaaat, caaaaat

cat

!!caaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

cat

@Bob o_0

bwDraco

Good night, folks.

oldmud0

03:12

Speaking of VCRs, the last VCR in Japan will be produced by the end of July

bbc.com/news/technology-36857370

Psycogeek

not to worry, i got a whole truck full of them here, and they aint about to run off the shelves.

oldmud0

"Nobody buys VCRs anymore" even though there are 750k sales a year

Japan is rather outdated

From what I hear, many businesses still use fax

Psycogeek

Carly Simon - Anticipation - 1971

►

Braiam

03:46

so, I presume allq knows about this arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/…

@oldmud0 in USA a mail with your digital signature isn't legally binding, a fax on the other hand...

yeah all knows chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31186661#31186661

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam it's come up a few times.

Email or physical mail?

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek email

oldmud0

wait

it's 2016

there's 4G, wtf

Journeyman Geek

Ya. Makes sense, tho if you want to serve notice anything goes here. Even Facebook.

oldmud0

Dude, I was using a flip phone with an EDGE connection, and I blinked and now I have a galaxy S4, a computer with a big monitor on it, and some chat open on it. wtf am I

Braiam

03:58

You need a more useful comparison: You can finally select which material to use for clothes in Dwarf Fortress without pesky stockpiles (and have 64-bit)

Journeyman Geek

An ad?

oldmud0

where the f*

am I in.... the future?

dude what is this htc vive.... the sheeple finally started liking VR again after it flopped so many times?

and since when did I ever know how to use this "git" thing?

Braiam

you actually don't know how to use git *jedi wave*

oldmud0

waitwaitwait.... 1 entire TERABYTE inside a little hard drive?

dude, I was just working fine with my 50 GB hard disk

and we're already on windows 10? you mean windows xp is dead? what the heck happened, everyone liked windows xp

Psycogeek

no mahn this is just a cheap chinese version of the past, that runs on .Net

Braiam

04:02

what the heck is a micro:bit?

oldmud0

and so, people aren't satisfied with HD, so they want to do "4K"?

nvidia stopped selling 9800 GT, huh, .... and they looped back around with some GTX line

bwDraco

tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-pascal-titan-x-revealed,32309.html

XKCD

A childhood spent walking while reading books has prepared me unexpectedly well for today's world.

bwDraco

The new TITAN X: GP102 has arrived!

oldmud0

Nvidia is using Pascal again? Wow, I haven't used Pascal in 12 years.

Psycogeek

04:06

and for the first time in history a game came out that wants 18 terraflops of powerfull gpu, and looks pretty much the same as the games that came out in 2009 that ran on 2.4 terraflops.

oldmud0

What, did they finish Crysis 2?

Psycogeek

the huge advantge being: the developers can just slop out some poorly optomised junk and everyone pays a bit extra for thier gpu and power bill each month. wel call that a win-win. games are releaced before they are even beta tested.

oldmud0

Is this why the brand new "Vulkan" thing is setting off the plebeians?

anyway gn bb

enough pretending to have amnesia

just bored, nothing to do

11pm here

Psycogeek

@oldmud0 actually they did, one of the real developers found 1.3trillion verticies that the intern had left in the map, they removed it and it has been used for benchmarks proving the new technology is 2x faster.

(and 2.8x less power)

oldmud0

falling asleep........ I need to try out that tight fitting crap one day

bwDraco

04:14

3584 CUDA cores (28 of 30 SMs in Pascal GP102) @ 1417-1531 MHz.

oldmud0

Go to sleep

You should be snoring?

I should be snoring.

I don't snore though.

Bye

Bob

@XKCD Huh... that alt-text describes me perfectly :P

Bob

04:51

@JourneymanGeek dammit, I keep going to check the door :P

Journeyman Geek

05:11

Lol

Bob

05:21

@JourneymanGeek It's here \o/

declared value $50 "tablet pc" -_-

actually should've been $500, which is still well below the tax-free threshold...

Journeyman Geek

Lol

Might actually be 50 value.

Bob

05:36

@JourneymanGeek It actually feels pretty solid!

Journeyman Geek

Sure it's not a brick?

Bob

holy

the UEFI has all the options

lol what

thunderbolt is "Fully Disabled" but I can switch it to "Enabled" or "Disabled" (cc @cat)

@JourneymanGeek it's a very nice brick if it is

Journeyman Geek

Actually.... Niiiiice

Quite. Seems like quality masonry.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek this is actually a damn good keyboard

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

I got pinged.

Bob

05:45

touchscreen is responsive

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

I has one of those polygon e-blue keyboards ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob eh. I have trouble with Apple chiclets so my mileage may vary.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

@Bob HOLY CRAP. I want to flash that BIOS

(well, someday)

AH I FORGOT
THE CLIPPY EGG

MICROSOFT IS EVIL

Journeyman Geek

@Bob does it actually have switchable graphics?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek don't think so :P

I'm trying to get it to boot off a flash drive... not going well :S

Psycogeek

06:02

you finnaly get it in and the picture you show is the ^%^@$ booring bios? where's the unboxing, the flashy shiney pics?

Rahul2001

!!rstudy

ChatBot John Cavil

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

?!?

Rahul2001

That's me right now...

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

O_o

(silly me)

looks intresting

Nick

06:06

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD Do you really have to print that in bold. Hush hush, man

Rahul2001

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD It's been shut down

Nick

It was a good place too

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

oh why?

my computer ^

ah I see

not enough activity during beta

Nick

exactly, mea culpa too. Got an invite but never participated.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

:(

a horrible loss

Journeyman Geek

06:42

Cat

►

Psycogeek

yea "cat" ok thats going to get a lot of views :-)

i have been watching youtube for 2-long, i was expecting the cat to turn on the human and latch his claws in, or some other forms of entertainment :-)

Bob

O_O

@JourneymanGeek I feel like I should not be hearing a click of death from an SSD...

Journeyman Geek

0_0

WHAT IS CLICKING?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well it's more like spring sounds :S

like someone jumping on a trampoline

Journeyman Geek

On the new laptop?

Bob

06:48

@JourneymanGeek nah on a Trion 150 connected to it via USB :P

Journeyman Geek

oh

I bought a rubber mallet at daiso ._.

@Bob "Trion" - OCZ?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya

hm

I seem to have misplaced all my usb 3.0 otg cables

Journeyman Geek

07:03

Not the best of the mainstream brands

lol

this is why I went from 0 to 4 cables the moment I got my new phone ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the tablet: ports on the keyboard work fine but are 2.0 only (and don't work with squeaky-ssd)

usb otg port works with ssd but both ssd and hdd are very intermittent... maybe 10% duty cycle if that

I suspect the included otg cable is crap

now the trick is finding my giant box full of my own -_-

Journeyman Geek

why is the SSD squeaky?

Bob

not sure

it works fine on usb 3.0? :P

Journeyman Geek

07:24

power maybe?

Bob

@Psycogeek I don't normally take fancy unboxing vids or pics

just a quick and messy vid to make sure the box has what it should

Psycogeek

pictures -@ڻ@- must see

Burgi

07:49

morning

Bob

derp

@JourneymanGeekfound my usb otg cables... they're all 2.0

what a waste of time

Journeyman Geek

I don't actually recall ever coming across USB 3.0 OTG cables ever

Burgi

this guy is promoting his own product, its the second time in 24 hours that i've seen the product mentioned. not sure if it is spam

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Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, it looks like my flash drive works over it :\

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I see a lot of non wingate questions and clear, obvious mentions of who he works for

should be fine

Bob

08:00

@JourneymanGeek I was just about to say that exact same sentence :P

Burgi

yeah i gave the first one a pass but i just wanted to check

mr enigma

why do objects need handles

Burgi

so you can carry them?

mr enigma

as in a file, menu, window station, token

Burgi

you mean an object in OOP?

mr enigma

08:04

in Windows NT

Bob

"so you can carry them" is still a valid answer :P

Journeyman Geek

windows NT? Now that's a name I've not heard in a loooong time

Bob

@JourneymanGeek technically, 10 is still NT

mr enigma

"The system uses objects and handles to regulate access to system resources for two main reasons. First, the use of objects ensures that Microsoft can update system functionality, as long as the original object interface is maintained. When subsequent versions of the system are released, you can use the updated object with little or no additional work.

Secondly, the use of objects enables you to take advantage of Windows security. Each object has its own access-control list (ACL) that specifies the actions a process can perform on the object. The system examines an object's ACL each time a…

dont quite get this

Burgi

does the first post queue present them in date order (oldest first)?

Journeyman Geek

08:16

I don't think so

cat

08:49

!! Caat

ChatBot John Cavil

mr enigma

damn my allergies!!

cat

@Bob they exist? For a phone without a USB 3.0 port?

Bob

@cat tablet

cat

Ah. I see that arrived then.

Bob

08:51

yea

cat

What port does it have? C?

Bob

I was going for a clean install but drivers are a pain

@cat both micro USB 3.0 and a Type-C

cat

@Bob pretty much all are

Bob

3 hours ago, by Bob

cat

@Bob huh, interesting.

Bob

08:52

3 hours ago, by Bob

thunderbolt is "Fully Disabled" but I can switch it to "Enabled" or "Disabled" (cc @cat)

cat

@Bob wow that's a lot of settings. On a tablet no less.

Bob

@cat I think they just left them all enabled :P

I have overclocking controls apparently

cat

Heck even being able to get to the bios settings on a tablet is impressive

Bob

hm

a refresh keeps drivers, yea?

I might restore that backup and just do a refresh

instead of messing around with this crap

cat

@Bob oh, yeah. Serial port console redirection.. Hah

@Bob I wouldn't know, never done it

Journeyman Geek

08:55

@Bob I don't think so. I'd back up first to be safe ._.

and most of the time, when I actually NEED a refresh all the things fail

cat

@JourneymanGeek seeing as he's restoring a backup backing up the backup restored would be a bit silly

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I already have a backup... that's what the whole mess above was about :P

then I did a clean win10 install

which is missing all the drivers

Journeyman Geek

ah

Bob

no wifi, no touch, no pen, about a dozen unknown devices...

I've got wifi working now but the rest are a mystery

Journeyman Geek

@Bob oh, I had a thing that would backup drivers and just drivers

I donno if it works on 10 tho

Bob

08:56

found a driver pack but it's just the raw dll/sys/inf/exe dumps

no installer

cat

@Bob no manufacturer website with all drivers downloadable?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek name?

@cat nup

cat

Derp

Journeyman Geek

driverbackup2

Hennes

Isn't NT still OS/2? So Win 10 is sort of a OS/20 :)

cat

08:57

I'd restore the backup to see if there were any awkward drivers. Chances are it's really just all Intel stuff

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes OS >9xxx

@cat and/or check what it is

cat

Or just use the device id's

Hennes

HAL, are you there? IBM want their OS9000 back :)

Journeyman Geek

touchscreen might not be something common like synaptics and/or version dependant.

Hennes

Just use the PCI-e device IDs and download relevant drivers before trying to upgrade

Bob

08:58

@cat this is as close as it gets... Cube i7 Book

that's the driver pack I mentioned earlier

cat

Touchscreen is EFI, shouldn't need a driver

Bob

@cat at least one Wacom, some other stuff :P

might be easier to do the full restore and then refresh instead

@cat this one does!

cat

@Bob d'oh

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that's... old

anyway running windows update

if it can find the drivers then I'll just stick with that

if not then I'll do the backup restore

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