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Journeyman Geek

00:02

0_0

That's odd

Bob

01:25

@allquixotic had any luck isolating the issue?

Cooler? :S

Oh you tried with stock

@allquixotic Could also try asking for help => reddit.com/r/buildapc (self post w/ link to the tomshardware one I guess)

Did you end up trying to hook up a speaker?

Have you tried actually connecting a real power button? :P

Huh. From the manual:

> Set the CPU host frequency in accordance with the CPU specifications. It is not recommended that the system bus frequency be set beyond hardware specifications since it does not meet the standard requirements for the peripherals. If you wish to set the frequency beyond the standard specifications, please do so according to your hardware specifications including the CPU, graphics card, memory, hard drive, etc.

One wonders how you'd set that on a non-booting system. Or why you'd even need to set it.

Weird manual.

Journeyman Geek

01:42

use the reset jumper?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek He already tried, IIRC.

@allquixotic Sure it's on CPU_FAN and not CPU_OPT?

Journeyman Geek

also, if I haven't mentioned already, modern systems have lights as well

Bob

> These fan headers are not configuration jumper blocks. Do not place a jumper cap on the headers.

lol

Hm. The speaker connector is inside F_PANEL.

It's a simple +/NC/NC/-

You could always do the thing I suggested last night (buy $2 earphones, wire them up)

Ground to -, one earbud to +

@JourneymanGeek I don't see any in the manual...

Also, @allquixotic, I'm confused by your post saying "MSI Z170M-E D3" -- that appears to be an Asus board?

O_O

That Asus board has a power button on the mobo...

Have you tried that MemOK thing? :P

Looks like hte Asus board does have LEDs for diagnostics.

Journeyman Geek

02:03

@Bob the z77's an asus, the others arn't

Bob

@JourneymanGeek asus.com/au/Motherboards/Z170M-E-D3

I don't see any MSI boards with that model number.

I think @allquixotic typo'd the brand.

Journeyman Geek

or the model

._.

Bob

maybe, but the model is more oddly specific? :P

Journeyman Geek

reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/3ujf8k/… this seems to suggest loosing the cooler screws would help

0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea I think he tried with just the cooler resting on top.

Journeyman Geek

02:09

I'm wondering if the pins on the motherboard are bent

I had similar symptoms, but I hadn't built a box in years and I think @allquixotic has had more practice.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Both motherboards?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yeah, that's what makes me skeptical

Bob

That does scream odd to me.

Journeyman Geek

02:22

@allquixotic you can update firmware without a processor these days so its plausible

OH

@allquixotic doublecheck which ram slots. Pretty sure you need to populate the same coloured slots, including the first slot

Bob

> With 16 GB DDR4 (1 stick - tried in all four slots)

Journeyman Geek

hm

115

A: Origin of movie trope where impaled character pulls/pushes blade/spear further into body?

TL;DR: The trope came from the facts that: - If you were impaled on a spear, the smart way to remove it is to keep pushing it through your body and out the other side.1 So people who actually fought in the era of swords and spears would have seen it done, albeit in less badass circumstances. ...

one of the funniest answers ever

Bob

03:21

Hm... wonder if allq went to sleep.

allquixotic

05:29

@Bob nope

Bob

@allquixotic Ah. Do you still feel like playing anything today?

With all the new computer problems :\

allquixotic

Can't

New PC has my only working modern PSU in it

So recap- earlier I went to microcenter and got a new mobo and a i3 6100

Tonight through some magic I got the original Gigabyte motherboard to bench successfully

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

0_0

same everything?

allquixotic

I got the custom cooler, all 64 gigs of ram and even some peripherals working in the gigabyte board

I had to replace stripped motherboard standoffs and some other retarded physical layer shit

However it seems that the first PCIe slot, and the only one that does x16, is busted

Whatever I plug into the first PCIe slot doesn't get recognized, even if it has power

Not even a single slot nv 8600GT with no external PCIe power connectors will work in the first slot, but works flawlessly in the x8 slot (x16 physical, x8 actual)

And because of the physical proximity of slots 2 and 3, a dual slot GPU completely obscures slot 3, so I can't install my RAID card in this config

Basically unless I get slot 1 working through some magic (unlikely), I'll have to RMA this motherboard and try again... Which is a REAL bummer because I have the CPU fan down nice and tight and that's very difficult to do right

If I could live just with the IGP I wouldn't even care about this but it's a deal breaker for me

Journeyman Geek

05:39

ow

allquixotic

So my 6700K isn't dead, my PSU is fine, my CPU cooler works well, the mobo is basically functional, all is well EXCEPT for the first PCIe slot - it's always something, isn't it?

I even booted up Ubuntu and ran lspci just to make sure the nvidia card wasn't being detected in the first slot, and sure enough it wasn't

Bob

ugh

Journeyman Geek

hm. and its a modern system so it can't be doing that 'onboard video or first pci slot BS earlier motherboards cards did.

Bob

yea, that really smells of rma

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek actually the mobo has a setting for that in the "BIOS" that lets you pick which slot initializes for graphics first

It's set to the first PCIe slot by default lol

Journeyman Geek

05:43

@allquixotic but it'll run both. In older systems you quite literally used the same PCIe channels for both so it was one or the other

allquixotic

And without changing that setting I was able to get it to display the BIOS with either the 980 or the 8600GT in the x8 slot

Journeyman Geek

I'd muck around with that just to be sure ._.

allquixotic

On the plus side I got a new battery case for my iPhone that doubles battery life ... Yeah not exactly the extent of what I was hoping to accomplish this weekend.

I said "God damn it!" numerous times in a similar voice as Francis

Bob

Francis?

allquixotic

GOD DAMMIT

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Except I don't destroy anything in my rage except my vocal chords

Otherwise pretty accurate

Journeyman Geek

05:47

lol

I've got nothing done but laundry and dishes all week

allquixotic

That Francis is actually a character (act) of a legitimately nice guy

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

His real name is Steven and he's pretty sane and reasonable and a gamer

Journeyman Geek

He didn't actually destroy anything there either ;p

allquixotic

Still a big dude but he's trying to lose weight, he dropped like 60 lbs

Journeyman Geek

05:53

;p

erf

I lost 2 kg in the time my parents are away

not sure how.

allquixotic

Oh I linked you to a clip of a bigger video where he throws his xbox out on the street and bashes it repeatedly with a guitar until both break

Journeyman Geek

o0

allquixotic

It's just an act but pretty typical of red neck white trash in America, fat or no

Journeyman Geek

lol

Usually when I get frustrated, I mop.

(or clean the toilet, scrubbing works just as well)

Picked up the habit in the army ;p

allquixotic

I honestly don't even remember at this point what made the difference between the shorting and the successful POSTs I got with the original Z170M mobo I bought

Might have been the process of moving it to a new location with newspaper down instead of paper, idk

Journeyman Geek

05:56

@allquixotic disconnecting and reconnecting everything? ;p

0_0

Get a multimeter! Maybe the paper is conductive?

allquixotic

Haha maybe laser paper is meant to be a little conductive

Journeyman Geek

beats me, it seems ... kiiiinda logical

allquixotic

I ordered a $5 pc speaker that will be here Monday so at least I'll be able to troubleshoot POST beep codes in the future

Journeyman Geek

on the build I'm sitting on at now, I managed to bend pins on my motherboard

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek don't you mean Sennheisers me, or Meelectronics me, or Bang&Olufsson me? Beats are anathema to RA

Journeyman Geek

05:59

@allquixotic clearly beats are torture.

I prefer fischers myself ;p

allquixotic

Oh. The mobo I bought at Microcenter, aside from being damn DDR3 and no thunderbolt / usb 3.1, also had a bent pin(s) on the CPU slot - I don't THINK I caused it though... Possible but unlikely

Journeyman Geek

that would stop it from booting alright

allquixotic

No bent pins on the original Gigabyte mobo though. Just a broken PCIe slot

Bob

06:14

"I can't find my little brother, Corbin"

-- Colleen, Dust: An Elysian Tail

@allquixotic What about the MSI/Asus one?

allquixotic

I'm going to get some sleep, night

Bob

@allquixotic 'night

That Brazilian Guy

I am a potato

allquixotic

@Bob broken CPU pins.

Bob

@allquixotic Owwwwwww

Really really bad luck there :\

Journeyman Geek

06:26

BB-8 XP

►

"You take this, and go far away as you can. AND NEVER COME BACK!"

That Brazilian Guy

thehackernews.com/2016/05/audio-fingerprint.html?m=1

O.o

qwertyuiop

07:25

!!caat

ChatBot John Cavil

Rahul Basu

@ThatBrazilianGuy don't read thehackernews... That website is full of inaccuracies...

For example, the second word in that article is 'incognito', but incognito mode doesn't protect you from tracking anyways...

Some of their articles are fine, but most aren't :(

Rahul Basu

08:20

oh, btw

HAPPY PACMAN DAY!!

DavidPostill

@RahulBasu Pacman Day was 19 days ago. Why are you celebrating late? National Pac-Man Day (April 3) Back in 1982, Atari declared April 3rd as "Atari National Pac-Man Day"

Rahul Basu

@DavidPostill cortana told me it is today :(

Okay, my bad

it was released on this day in 1980, but this day isn't celebrated as pacman day...

jokerdino

@DavidPostill 19 days ago? This is May.

Roughly 49 days ago.

DavidPostill

@jokerdino Okay, my bad ;)

Rahul Basu

;p

DavidPostill

08:31

Ok, for something notable that did happen on 22 May: Birthday of Ethernet. I thinks that is worth celebrating.

May 22, 1973

Xerox Researcher Proposes "Ethernet"

Robert Metcalfe, a researcher at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center in California, writes his original memo proposing an "Ethernet," a means of connecting computers together. Metcalfe described the document, typed out on an IBM Selectric typewriter, as follows: "Ether Acquisition" ... heavy with handwritten annotations -- one of which was "ETHER!" -- and with hand-drawn diagrams -- one of which showed `boosters' interconnecting branched cable, telephone, and radio ethers in what we now call an internet.... If Ethernet was invented in any …

Rahul Basu

How do you find this info?

wikipedia doesn't even have this listed :(

DavidPostill

computerhistory.org/tdih

Rahul Basu

:D

That should mention the release on pacman though...

DavidPostill

OOh. Tomorrow is Java Day.

Rahul Basu

08:54

lol

My birthday is 2-button mouse day!!

Bob

@jokerdino Don't mind @DavidPostill, he got teleported through a wormhole a while back and is having trouble adjusting :P

DavidPostill

09:12

@Bob lol

Journeyman Geek

09:22

science.slashdot.org/story/16/05/21/1855211/…

this seems cool

jokerdino

09:46

@Bob lol

@JourneymanGeek what I didn't know is 2020 Olympics is happening in Tokyo.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino totally part of the plan. Yanno, akira references the games...

Rahul Basu

10:05

TWL #7: This Number is Illegal

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^Interesting...

Journeyman Geek

@RahulBasu is it sad that I know he's talking about the decss key, and that its really old? ;p

Rahul Basu

@JourneymanGeek heh

DavidPostill

10:34

@JourneymanGeek New user superuser.com/users/458647/mike has posted two similar answers promoting a 3rd party screen saver. Although they could answer the questions it looks spammish to me. What do you think? I flagged both as spam.

Rahul Basu

office.xerox.com/support/dctips/dc99cc60.pdf

hehehehe

Journeyman Geek

hmm

@DavidPostill user seems clean on SO. Website has affliate links, which he hasn't used, so rules out affliate link

Rahul Basu

office.xerox.com/support/dctips/dc00cc0158.pdf

Journeyman Geek

Answers are crap,

Oh

Spam

check superuser.com/users/458647/mike?tab=profile

(If you ever wondered why your spam flag gets rejected, these are some of the steps I go through, + a few special mod things I can't talk about)

Well that or growl flag NUKE USER

DavidPostill

10:54

@JourneymanGeek Ah. I missed that. I will dig more next time ;)

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill entirely valid flags, I'd have saved some time if I noticed that first ;)

DavidPostill

I missed the link in his profile, was only looking at his answers :/

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Bob

LOL what

18

Q: What is "OpenGL" and why did a player get banned for it?

Today, while playing Counter Strike 1.6 on a server, I saw a message at the left corner saying: Player Name - x. Permanent Ban. Reason - "OpenGL" detected So what is this OpenGL thing in Counter Strike?

Journeyman Geek

11:09

@Bob clearly he should have used directx

Rahul Basu

11:50

in batch can you call a function, which, in turn, calls another function?

nevermind, you can

Journeyman Geek

developers.slashdot.org/story/16/05/21/2115257/…

0_0

Rahul Basu

12:07

COBOL?

does anyone even use that now?

Bob

12:44

@RahulBasu banks

Journeyman Geek

@RahulBasu seems more like a cause I can thing

Like a x86 emulator in js.

Burgi

@djsmiley2k the web dev one for the marketing agency

jokerdino

13:20

@RahulBasu seems more like a cause I can thing

I wanted to say that too cause I can thing.

Journeyman Geek

13:32

CAUSE I CAN!

oh.

@jokerdino glitch!

Rahul Basu

lol

Journeyman Geek

14:37

0

Q: Is it possible to connect an external GPU via ethernet

I have laptop which has working Ethernet port but I always use WiFi . I am wondering if it is possible to run a graphics card (with external power supply) connected to the Ethernet port and use (with some kind of PCI emulation to emulate the Ethernet GPU as a PCI one). A Cat6 cable has 10 GBs wh...

graphics-card ethernet gpu pci-express

I am tempted to use grumpy cat for the answer I posted for this

Bob

15:04

@JourneymanGeek to be fair, most modern GPUs don't take much of a hit on x8 or even x4

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yeah, but latency + translating protocols...

And I felt a little hyperbole was handy here ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek latency wouldn't really factor into the 1Gbit vs 10Gbit argument though

djsmiley2k

plus the whole 'i can put this cable into this port, therefore it must do the max theortical speed of a port of that shape'

Journeyman Geek

@Bob unrelated points ? ;p

latency for PCIe vs ethernet

Bob

I wonder if that really would be significant if it's point to point

djsmiley2k

15:06

rj45 vs cat6e

Bob

We can do decent video streaming over the internet now, and there's already a lot of work to minimise large transfers to the gpu

Journeyman Geek

Which is what I suggested

Bob

Though dx12 might be worse...

Journeyman Geek

but video streaming is a different problem

you're converting a video stream to a more efficient format

Bob

@djsmiley2k s/rj45/8P8C/

Journeyman Geek

15:08

as opposed to translating from ethernet to pci-e

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'm talking from a latency perspective there

Considering nvidia and steam are doing game streaming

djsmiley2k

@Bob well I never D:

so wtf is rj45 then

Bob

Wrong Bob

djsmiley2k

D: also that

Bob

> The registered jack specifications define the wiring patterns of the jacks, not the physical dimensions or geometry of the connectors of either gender.

djsmiley2k

15:11

so it's only rj45 once it's wired up?

Journeyman Geek

and it might not be the same wiring order as ethernet....

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek déja vu

Bob

@djsmiley2k I don't think so... Ethernet wire order is defined elsewhere afaik

djsmiley2k

:O

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino something something CAT something something SAME CAT!

djsmiley2k

15:14

i have a brother and sister cat

from behind, same cat.

D:

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k ._.

Usually its obvious which one's a tom cat.

djsmiley2k

jokerdino

what about bob cat?

djsmiley2k

he's a big wus

he's JUST moved back in tho, so hop[ing he doesn't tryt and spray everywhere

Journeyman Geek

heh

Most of the local strays are female, and pretty aloof

djsmiley2k

15:16

he hasn't fought with his sister yet, so that's a good sign

Journeyman Geek

there's a ginger tom who's a big ham

I've seen people sit down on a curb so he can sit on their lap and get stroked ;p

and the previous ginger tom was a one eyed grizzled creature who would roll over if he recognised you for belly rubs.

That Brazilian Guy

15:52

Last week I updated Fedora 22 to 23. The slowest part was downloading 4.5 GB if data. Now I am upgrading Win 8 to win 8.1... Since yesterday evening.

djsmiley2k

So after discussing how javascript basically runs anywhere...

you can now run cobol in js D:

That Brazilian Guy

The thing has been "preparing" for almost an hour now

Ben N

Do you happen to have any USB devices plugged in?

That Brazilian Guy

Windows takes longer to get prepared than my wife!

Ben N

I remember my Win8 machine wedged itself in that phase until I unplugged my pen&touch USB thing

That Brazilian Guy

15:57

@djsmiley2k You can run Linux in JS. From there you can install PhantomJS. And run Linux in that JS.

Burgi

i wonder if my star thing can hit double digits

2

Journeyman Geek

what star thing?

Burgi

May 18 at 18:24, by Burgi

got the job

Journeyman Geek

ahh

there you go

Burgi

heh!

djsmiley2k

16:02

cool

@ThatBrazilianGuy JSception.

@Burgi i'm also looking for a jorb now

this one i have can suck it

I want to be back on the linux side of the world

Windows just causes too much trouble.

It looks like you're trying to be back on the linux side of the world.

Would you like help? << haha

Burgi

put your CV on www.cv-library.co.uk or cwjobs.co.uk

my phone went mental

djsmiley2k

haha

yeah

Burgi

no job to a job in under a week

djsmiley2k

Nice

Burgi

omg... old people!

my mother was trying to charge her tablet using a mini USB and trying to plug it into the micro HDMI port...

Journeyman Geek

16:11

lol

sounds like a natural mistake to make

djsmiley2k

at least she didn't think it was wireless

@Burgi yeah I hit up monster on friday night

I'll likely do those ones tonight

I still get about 1-2 calls a week from previous searching

Burgi

your phone will literally melt tomorrow morning

i got phone calls at 8am!

That Brazilian Guy

I don't think I ever got a job phonecall. .___.

Journeyman Geek

most first contact here's over email, other than the dodgy recruitment agencies like the one that wanted a tech support guy for 1K a month or the microfilm one.

That Brazilian Guy

1k/month here is a great salary. 1K USD, not 1k BRL.

djsmiley2k

16:25

:D

i'm always on cwjobs but I think I'm set as 'no, don't talk to me'

tho i can't tell if the website isn't working or this laptop is just being lame

Haha my windows comment got star'd

That Brazilian Guy

Maybe by someone who's having troubles with Windows right now.

I wonder who could it be...Who? Hmm...

Burgi

we went to the pub last night after it had been raining hard all day and everywhere was flooded. then midway through the night the transformer substation must have got flooded and the lights in the village went out

djsmiley2k

D:

oooo that's a proper village

I hadn't thought about that, I'm in a 'village' now

tho we aren't really that far away

wonder what teh power is like here D:

Burgi

the bar staff refused to serve me because "we can't put it through the till"

djsmiley2k

o_O

:(

because making money is bad

Burgi

16:33

people have been serving beer for hundreds of years before electricity

we had to explain to them what cash was

2

and how to use their table service waitering pads with a pen

they wanted to take my CC details and would have charged me the next day when the power came back on

Journeyman Geek

o0

Burgi

they then tried to say the pumps wouldn't work...

THEY ARE HAND PUMPS!!!!

the ales were fine, as were the bottles and the spirits

just the yukky lagers with their electric pumps weren't working

it really annoyed me that they were just going to give up because they had no power

DavidPostill

@Burgi You can't open the electric till with the change in it without electricity ;)

djsmiley2k

@DavidPostill easily fixed

you can only order £10 of drinks at a time

DavidPostill

And you can't count the cash in the dark ;)

Burgi

16:42

@DavidPostill you can if you have the key

they had candles and mobile phones

Burgi

16:54

that meta question sounds like a whinge

Sathya

17:07

@Burgi I read it bunch of times & I still cant figure out what it's about

Burgi

i'm glad i'm not the only one confused by it

Sathya

I think this meta question pretty much sums up why you don't get any positive feedback. There's a lot of verbosity, lot of ranting and I can't figure out what you're trying to ask — Sathya ♦ 11 secs ago

DavidPostill

I think he's cheesed of because superuser.com/questions/1079586/… has hit HNQ

It is a bizarre question to be fair.

@Sathya

Joseph A.

17:26

@DavidPostill I quite agree, never thought of using an external GPU with an Ethernet cable.

Burgi

i think i've gone back in time 15 years.... i'm burning flash EXEs to CD for my mother to use in lessons...

Sathya

17:45

@DavidPostill yeah but it comes to the category of questions people love to get an answer nomatter how silly it sounds

Burgi

@DavidPostill i meant to mention this the other day but got swamped

@Burgi If the file has just been Autosaved and no further changes made prior to saving and closing then the current version of the file can be recovered using data recovery tools. — DavidPostill May 17 at 8:22

the fact it is on a USB drive means it could be edited elsewhere and be out of sync with the versions on the original PC

it wasn't worth a comment on the question but thats what i envisioned in my head when i commented originally

DavidPostill

@Burgi Ah. That's a strange corner case. My guess is the OP has confidential data in the file he doesn't want accessible.

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