Root Access

Journeyman Geek

12:21 AM

ahh, windows 10 updates

"Something has happened"

There's almost no less helpful error

(I think I know what happened, but still)

Recycle Bin

12:43 AM

well I dont know what to say

windows 10 is terrible so expect terrific failiure!

Journeyman Geek

lol

I've updated erm...

4 systems so far?

this is number 5

I have one more, but that one has a monitor failure so leaving that for last.

superuser.com/a/987820/10165 this was fun

allquixotic

Welp. The Adaptec high-pitched alarm of dread just went off again.

Looks like the last Seagate drive in my system finally died. It lasted a year longer than its counterpart (bought them at the same time, same model).

Time to go full-on HGST.

I'm operating on a degraded RAID-10 array right now, but all the drives are less than 2 years old, so I'm not terribly mortified of potential data loss.

Journeyman Geek

XD

<3 HGST

allquixotic

Me, too!

Journeyman Geek

(At the moment, almost all my desktop drives are by them)

allquixotic

12:52 AM

Oh. I finally found the scratch to order an Adaptec 81605ZQ. Basically the best RAID controller money can buy for a workstation (i.e., not a cabinet full of 50+ HDDs).

maxCache 3.0, here I come.

DragonLord

@allquixotic What vendor?

Newegg?

CDW?

allquixotic

@DragonLord They're pretty much the only one that's any good, so yeah.

Bob

@xCare ...that's pretty bad.

allquixotic

Buncha shady small vendors selling it "Fulfilled by Amazon" on Amazon, but too expensive

Bob

@xCare No, don't continue like that.

allquixotic

12:53 AM

Amazon doesn't carry "Sold by Amazon.com" Adaptec RAID controllers

Bob

Start the raw image tool again, but this time make sure you select the "FILE" option for destination.

You don't want to write the image to the drive. You want to write the image to a file on the drive.

DragonLord

The idea is that the cache is supercap-backed SLC NAND that doesn't need a BBU.

Bob

You'll see there's an entry with "FILE" on the left.

allquixotic

@DragonLord Big warm fuzzy from that! :D

And big warm performance boost from several SSDs caching everything

Bob

So: first screen, select the source drive. Second screen, double click the "FILE" row and pick a destination in the popup box. Make sure it's "img" type not "imgc".

allquixotic

12:55 AM

with no CPU overhead

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: oh, daiso sells 1m USB cables - they're black, white or orange, hard plastic shells on the connectors, and seem to work great for charging and data

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I think I've seen them before. They're rated for something like 700mA.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's not great for charging.

Great for charging should be at least 1A. Preferably 2A.

allquixotic

apparently the iPhone 6S+ is so low-power that it can fairly quickly recharge my battery from the USB 3.0 port on my computer... not sure if it's using USB 3.0 signaling to draw the max power available to USB 3.0 or if it's taking the 2.0 max, but it's definitely a lot less amps than are available from a wall charger, because it's from my mobo.

not even going through a powered hub...

Journeyman Geek

12:57 AM

@allquixotic: see if there's a ampere equivilent?

DragonLord

Cache is on the RAID card, with supercaps hooked up to it. It's nonvolatile and very reliable. You'll never have to worry about replacing a BBU again!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: hm, I'm seeing 320ma off of my monitor's hub

Bob

@xCare ^

@JourneymanGeek That's a shit charge rate :P

Journeyman Geek

shrug ;p

I suppose I'm more concerned it works ;p

Bob

(you'll generally get better charge if there's no data connection, and if screen's off)

@JourneymanGeek that's actually a worse charge rate than the $1 cables off ebay. well, some of them.

Journeyman Geek

12:58 AM

actually

I have a 700ma charger on another one of those...

I'm getting 500ma on the charger.

and increasing

DragonLord

> this unit has a nice little silk screen legend above the heat sink that reads 'this board needs 200 LFM airflow.'

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek So the USB 2.0 standard allows for 2.5 Watts power draw from a port. The USB 3.0 standard allows for 4.5 Watts. The iPhone factory charger supplies 5 Watts to the iPhone 6S/6S+.

Journeyman Geek

naw

Bob

@allquixotic Funny thing, that. Windows has been using policy-based security pretty much since NT was introduced.

Journeyman Geek

ampere is an app ;p

Bob

1:01 AM

But it's not really exposed and somewhat difficult to configure.

DragonLord

You need to actively cool the RAID card, make sure there's a case fan near it.

Bob

And not as flexible as the more recent Linux versions.

allquixotic

@Bob Very true, though the real strong policy initiative started with Vista.

So much hate for Vista, yet technically it's the most revolutionary Windows release ever.

DragonLord

Wow. 4 mini-SAS connectors, 16 ports.

Journeyman Geek

It shows you how much current is being drawn/discharged

Bob

1:02 AM

@allquixotic Vista introduced stronger security by default and more for home users. In a properly set up corporate environment, you could lock down XP pretty well.

DragonLord

That's a lot of storage.

allquixotic

@DragonLord I'll be using 6 to 8 ports to start. No idea what I'd do with the rest

Bob

Vista made it easier for one user to hold multiple roles.

allquixotic

@Bob And Mandatory Integrity Control, and secure desktops, and better SSL in Microsoft's own libs, and...

also, arguably, Secure Boot + BitLocker + UEFI + passworded BIOS is a pretty damn locked-down physical layer as well

Bob

@allquixotic Ya, but all primarily useful where one user requires multiple privilege levels.

DragonLord

1:03 AM

@allq: Make sure you have a place for the supercap module to sit. It will be hanging off the card.

Bob

In a corp environment where your day-to-day users are as locked down as possible it doesn't make as much difference.

DragonLord

May 21 '14 at 12:40, by allquixotic

what I really want is one of Adaptec's Gen8 controllers, which come with a non-volatile NAND for write caching, eliminating the need for a BBU

allquixotic

@DragonLord The empty 5.25" bay. :D

DragonLord

...an entire year ago.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Patience is a virtue? ;p

(Its also a card game)

allquixotic

1:05 AM

So anyone want an 8805? :P

Or a 6405E? :P

DragonLord

Wait. You have several RAID cards sitting there?

allquixotic

the old 6405E (it's been in service for well over a year) is in a drawer in an ESD bag inside a box.

the new 8805 is in my system now, and will remain there til the 81605ZQ comes in the mail

DragonLord

Actually, the 8805 has the same silkscreened text on the PCB.

> This board needs 200 LFM airflow

Has the RAID card ever overheated on you, though?

allquixotic

@DragonLord Nope! The 8805 and the 6405E have both been fine in terms of temps

> 5/2/2012

placed order for 6405E on 5/2/2012, so I've been doing hardware RAID for over 3 years

the 6405E is fine if you don't need 4K native or UEFI (non-CSM) boot support or MaxCache (SSDs as r/w cache for HDDs) or BBU, and only need 4 ports

the 8805 is fine if you don't need MaxCache, but I think a BBU is optional, and it natively supports UEFI without the BIOS CSM, and 4K native

and I don't have the separate BBU module for the 8805

DragonLord

Not sure if I have a use for a RAID card just yet. I'm inclined to go with LSI for some reason...

Recycle Bin

1:11 AM

damn these pills are good!

allquixotic

LSI is cheaper and probably slightly better value, but my understanding is Adaptec is better feature-wise

DragonLord

@allquixotic, do you want to follow me on Twitter?

Brian 'DragonLord'

@fierydragonlord, New York

Computer and technology geek with broad interests

309 tweets, 18 followers, following 33 users

Sean McNamara

@allquixotic

74 tweets, 12 followers, following 46 users

@allq, please set your Twitter avatar, though.

Great, thanks.

allquixotic

@DragonLord I went ahead and followed you, though as a warning I am a pretty rare Twitter user

Recycle Bin

happy pills

Bob

@allquixotic I think I've sent a grand total of 4 tweets :P

Not even rare. More like never.

Recycle Bin

1:22 AM

is journeyman geek scottish

allquixotic

no, he's Singaporean

Recycle Bin

no way

he says 'wee' instead of 'little'

Journeyman Geek

I'm not a Scottie

Recycle Bin

oh ok :P

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin mainly cause it amuses me.

DragonLord

1:24 AM

@allq: Why not the tubecat on Twitter?

Recycle Bin

ah right

allquixotic

@DragonLord something different, I guess :P

a cat wearing Geordi's visor is pretty funny... made me LOL the first time I saw it

Recycle Bin

brb

jesus these micro Usb connectors when its dark

Recycle Bin

1:55 AM

what is hardware raid

instead of software raid

Recycle Bin

2:20 AM

later

oldmud0

3:03 AM

so I rebuilt the RAID array.... good news is, I can access all my files and back it all up. bad news is, the `\WINDOWS\config` folder is completely empty.

Nice, no registry.

Was disappointed when I looked in the System Volume Information folder and it was also empty beside a couple of files.

And I don't know how to access the shadow copies of the array

Recycle Bin

changing the system language in XP causes a boot failiure by corrupting windows/config/system

thats fun

Journeyman Geek

3:42 AM

yay, I have a working electric screwdriver again.

selffix.com/store/products_details/47/… AA powered (Its fine for light duty stuff, may throw in rechargables in future)

DragonLord

3:56 AM

Feb 28 at 21:39, by DragonLord

New Nintendo 3DS XL can act as an SMB share

3

Q: How to connect to a 3DS's SMB share from Linux?

Nintendo's New 3DS ("new" is part of the name) has the ability to expose an SMB share of its micro SD card. It asks you to define a name for the 3DS to appear as, and also a username and password. For the following, assume I've named the device my3ds and the username is myuser. Also, I've given ...

Journeyman Geek

That's a really well written question

Ramhound

4:12 AM

superuser.com/questions/981296/… needs to be nuked

Obvious spammer

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound nuked.

Ramhound

Thanks

Freaking fake microsoft support....

Journeyman Geek

5:42 AM

hm

0

Q: 3G/4G home internet alternative

NOTE: I had no idea where to put this, so if this isn’t the correct community, just point me in the right direction. I live in a middle-of-nowhere rural area with no access to wired internet, and satellite isn't available here yet. However, I am surrounded by 3G/4G capable towers, and I get grea...

networking internet 3g

this is one of those situations where its clearly off topic, but I'd rather not hit it with a closehammer immediately

Ramhound

if i wanted to treat a question about an android device as a pc I wouldn't say something about it not being on topic. ......Must work on the fixed viewpoint of the world....<cry>

doesn't help I work for the most fixed employer that exist.

Saladin

6:23 AM

1

A: Parsing, reformating log file using sed or perhaps a script?

Try out this small guy: sed -nE 's/(^[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}) .* http:\/\/([0-9a-z]+)\..*$/\1 \2/p' file > newfile Idea is to use grouping (), define proper groups and than replace matched lines with groups only using \1 \2 etc. -n p combination is used to display only repl...

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound: There's probably android devices that are PCs

but buuuut phones are explicitly off topic

THe reason tablets arn't is kinda wierdly historical

Saladin

@JourneymanGeek hello

Journeyman Geek

Since we did that for winRT and winRT is dead

Saladin

Do you know about use of "sed" command that can extract domains using complete RFC url standard

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: do I?

(I donno. I'm not particularly inclined to talk about it. Else I would!)

And with log files like that, that's a pretty inefficient way to do it

Its got a standard format. Just use cut

anyway...

@Ramhound: I've got a remix mini on order

its essentially an android based system set up more like a 'pc' than a phone

I wouldn't ask questions on it, but something like that might find a home here, questionwise.

Saladin

6:33 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm not worried about performance its the result. Beside i got 16 GB and the command will run on IBM pure flex blades. Why worry?

Bob

7:16 AM

It's not about speed. It's about accuracy.

Pattern matching will never be more accurate than field cutting. (given that the desired value is by itself in its own field)

It's usually less accurate.

Journeyman Geek

Also, the simpler a solution, the less likely you are to mess it up

Saladin

@Bob but usually thats dependent on how variable your format is? It a fairly simple structure.

its also not a log file just a pull request for list of IP addresses with labels.

Bob

@Saladin If it's a simple structure, even better for field cutting.

!!tell 24767095 xkcd regex problems

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: Basically regex is good when there's no simple structure.

Saladin

its not written real-time.

Journeyman Geek

7:19 AM

If things are predictable, its better to break up the problem and solve each part individually.

wrong one ;p

ChatBot John Cavil

To generate #1 albums, 'jay --help' recommends the -z flag.

Journeyman Geek

da!

Saladin

I agree you guys have more experience I try to do something about now @JourneymanGeek @Bob both thanks

Journeyman Geek

Also, don't pop into multiple channels and post questions ;p

Saladin

great graphic:)

Bob

7:20 AM

@Saladin If you can give us a sample (e.g. 5 lines) from the file you want to parse, we might be able to help further.

Saladin

5 lines here?

Journeyman Geek

I mean, if you're a regular, its cool, but we've had a few people doing it, and its a little tiresome

Saladin

I'm new to chat i don't know which forum to goto?

Bob

If you want to extract URIs from within a block of text, regex can help. If there are delimiters, then use the delimiters with cut.

Saladin

usually I see people discussing all sorts of things on channels that are named for it such

Journeyman Geek

7:21 AM

Ya, but we're discussing. We're not "hey, I have this problem, haaalp"

Bob

@Saladin An example always helps.

Journeyman Geek

More often than not, we start by complaining ;p

Saladin

bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
1.1.1.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcd.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
123.1.1.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcd12.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
87.1.4.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcdtdd.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F

Journeyman Geek

it all ends with BOOT

Bob

@Saladin Press "fixed font" on the right before sending the message.

Journeyman Geek

7:22 AM

to grep for boot, then cut at the /

Saladin

no it doesn't this is just sample logs infact between from and f. It can be anything.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek If they all follow that format then could probably just take the fourth field.

Journeyman Geek

or that ;p

Saladin

It will always be url though but different flavors of RFC standards that the issue.

e.g abc.xyc.com google.com www.google.com etc?

Bob

@Saladin Paste that again but press "fixed font" on the right before sending the message.

Journeyman Geek

7:23 AM

so forget about the RFC standards at extraction

Bob

Otherwise chat will parse the URI.

Journeyman Geek

(meh, done)

Saladin

bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
1.1.1.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcd.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
123.1.1.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcd12.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
bigspeedpro.com Intel::DOMAIN   from malc0de.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F
87.1.4.1 Intel::DOMAIN   from abcdtdd.com/bl/BOOT via intel.criticalstack.com     F

Journeyman Geek

Here? I'd grep for http.

Saladin

but http is not always there it can come with www or sub-domains.?

Journeyman Geek

7:24 AM

erm

Bob

@Saladin That's not a URI then.

Journeyman Geek

yup.

Bob

A URI must have a scheme.

Doesn't have to be http but it must have scheme://

Journeyman Geek

if there's another scheme then add that into your search.

Saladin

yeah I know You mean it should be absolute?

Like it should refer to a resource not a domain name

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

so if you have http and ftp (which is plausible here) you just grep for http|ftp

Bob

@Saladin If you want to find domain names, you're in trouble.

There's no obvious format for domain names.

Saladin

I'm trying to find original request. Please wait guys

Bob

is abc.xyz a domain?

is foo.bar a domain?

Journeyman Geek

yes... maybe?

Bob

is foo.wtgdqewgriuyeqw a domain?

Journeyman Geek

7:26 AM

it will be?

hides

Bob

But it also depends entirely on context.

Is e.g. a domain?

It could be!

Saladin

@Bob exactly I want domain names

Bob

It's syntactically valid!

@Saladin You've missed my point completely.

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: Basically, it is impossible to work out whether something is a valid domain name

Bob

@Saladin If from the example file you always want the fourth field, this will do it:

$ sed -r 's/[ ]+/ /g' filename | cut -f4 -d' '
malc0de.com/bl/BOOT
abcd.com/bl/BOOT
malc0de.com/bl/BOOT
abcd12.com/bl/BOOT
malc0de.com/bl/BOOT
abcdtdd.com/bl/BOOT
malc0de.com/bl/BOOT
abcdbc12a.com/bl/BOOT

@JourneymanGeek Without a DNS lookup, anyway :P

Journeyman Geek

7:29 AM

@Bob assuming the dns lookup works ;p

but yes

Bob

And even then you'll only catch publicly registered internet domains.

Saladin

@Bob but what about between "from" and "f" I already know or expect it to be for example In a single file that be constant it will be always resource/com/txt now I'm only want to clean it down to domain name. I just checked and saw that for each file of log the format of domain url be same.

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: run it through cut again, and get anything before the third / then

(is that doable? hm)

Bob

$ sed -r 's/[ ]+/ /g' filename | cut -f4 -d' ' | cut -f3 -d'/'
malc0de.com
abcd.com
malc0de.com
abcd12.com
malc0de.com
abcdtdd.com
malc0de.com
abcdbc12a.com

Saladin

I know thanks @JourneymanGeek now it makes sense @Bob I use your command and test the results

Bob

7:31 AM

This only works because by the time you get to the second cut you only have URLs.

If you wanted to search for domains through the whole text, you'd be screwed.

if you want to get rid of duplicates:

$ sed -r 's/[ ]+/ /g' filename | cut -f4 -d' ' | cut -f3 -d'/' | sort | uniq
abcd.com
abcd12.com
abcdbc12a.com
abcdtdd.com
malc0de.com

Saladin

@Bob but in my case, i already know where the domain name be , its fixed location for its always abc.com for a single file its just constant

Bob

@Saladin As I said, if you can guarantee it's always, say, the 4th field delimited by spaces - then that is sufficient.

DavidPostill

0

Q: Bad DNS records pointing to root servers

I noticed today that there are 4 suspicious-looking DNS A-records pointing to the ISI root server at 192.228.79.201 (b.root-servers.net), namely: [www.]allabouttheword.com: a.gtld-servers.net says ns7[12].domaincontrol.com (216.69.185.46, 208.109.255.46) are authoritative, and both those server...

networking dns root

This is off-topic, right?

Journeyman Geek

Not really IMO

DavidPostill

Which SE would be on-topic?

Journeyman Geek

7:36 AM

While it dosen't live on your PC, its something a PC user might be concerned about.

So I'd be disinclined to close it.

DavidPostill

Ah, OK

Saladin

thanks @Bob your command provides basic logic , I believe what you output is just matched text not the complete line, like I'm just not dealing with domain name infact I have few other worries as well.

1

A: Parsing, reformating log file using sed or perhaps a script?

Try out this small guy: sed -nE 's/(^[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}.[0-9]{1,3}) .* http:\/\/([0-9a-z]+)\..*$/\1 \2/p' file > newfile Idea is to use grouping (), define proper groups and than replace matched lines with groups only using \1 \2 etc. -n p combination is used to display only repl...

Saladin

7:47 AM

But I know what to do @JourneymanGeek @Bob I will take it from there.

you guys are great,

Journeyman Geek

blah

4 sucessful windows 10 installs

and I have one that's being a pain in the rear

Insane

@JourneymanGeek do tell? ;)

Journeyman Geek

8:03 AM

Oh something happened

Updating directly does nothing ;p

trying to create install media from the system itself and trying

If this attempt fails I'm just giving up ;p

Insane

ah, well good luck :3

Journeyman Geek

Its my erm....

spare spare laptop ;p

so Its more "I WILL NOT LET IT BEAT ME" than "I MUST UPGRADE IT"

Unless it stops making sense to give a damn ;p

DavidPostill

8:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek Congrats on your 100k

5

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: er...

that's cross site

and a good chunk of that rep's account I create to flag spam ;p

DavidPostill

Yes, I know, but it still looks good next to yr avatar ;)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Insane

aye, looks like you get the gold windows tag afterall @DavidPostill

;)

DavidPostill

How do you gain rep if all you do is flag spam from an account?

Journeyman Geek

8:26 AM

100 rep bonus for association?

DavidPostill

@Insane Not yet, soon:
929/1000 score
189/200 answers

Insane

@DavidPostill yeah I just checked :P

Journeyman Geek

I have 27 101 rep accounts ;p

Insane

and yeah I have an account on every stack exchange site, almost accidentally

which of course has the association rep

Journeyman Geek

(basically mods on sites they're not mods at go "Hey, there's some spam here..." and we're all helpful and stuff)

DavidPostill

8:29 AM

I try to do that (helpful and stuff) here and there as well - and am not a mod anywhere ...

Insane

I have found it hard to get active on any other SE site. I'm just not versed enough to be helpful nor provide questions. And dang @DavidPostill I just noticed you haven't asked a single question :3

DavidPostill

@Insane I have asked question on meta sites ;)

Insane

this is true

DavidPostill

I've never felt the need to ask questions on the main site. If I do I'm sure I will get a bunch more badges ;)

Insane

ask something I can answer like how to get oneNote (lol)

DavidPostill

8:37 AM

When I need an answer to something that my 40 years of computer experience combined with my google-fu can't resolve I will be sure to ask a question ;)

Insane

yeah half my answers are rigorous googling + general knowledge. i wish i could get a degree in THAT

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: You end up working with other mods a fair bit.

Like when we migrate questions and such.

Insane

I would vote for @DavidPostill in a community election ;)

Journeyman Geek

I'm semi active with SF's chat community (which moved off to slack cause well, stuff), and folk here and there know me

but most of my rep and time's here ;p

DavidPostill

@Insane. Thanks ;)

Journeyman Geek

8:41 AM

@Insane: community elections here tend to be interesting.

Insane

tell me, why the odd year gaps?

Journeyman Geek

STV tends to occationally mean someone suddenly losing

and there's a lot of discussion of the dynamics of voting.

Do people vote for rep? Activity?

Insane

hmm. i haven't auditd the results of the old elections but i was meaning to. just to see.

Journeyman Geek

In my case I had both (and amusingly an election campaign of 2 lines initially...."

"I'm on vacation, I'm standing"

or something like that ;p

Insane

I was very surprised @DragonLord didn't win the 2014 election. Unless there were only 2 picks

but again I didn't audit them or anything just glanced

Journeyman Geek

8:43 AM

@Insane: You get how STV works right?

Insane

actually no :P

Journeyman Geek

Simplified version

When you vote, you make 3 choices

Your vote goes to your first choice first

If a candidate either 1) has X% of the vote, he wins. 2) he has Y% of the vote, he cannot win

winners or candidates who cannot win are removed. So if your candidate is one of these, his vote goes to choice 2.

this iterates.

If none of your candidates are left, your vote is gone.

Insane

ah, i see

Journeyman Geek

So in my case enough people picked me as first choice that I won in round 1

Anyone who voted for me would have their votes transferred to choice 2

Insane

so wait, if people who voted for you didn't put the next most popular as their 2nd or 3rd choice, isn't it possible the next most popular person can't win even? well i guess that wouldn't really hold up because if he was the next most popular he would be a 2nd or 3rd choice :P

interesting lol

Journeyman Geek

8:48 AM

yup

So, dragonlord had more people who picked him as an early choice, but mokubai won because more votes transferred to him

Insane

that's kind of. huh.

nonetheless, do you know why it went 2011 to 2012 then skipped a year to 2014?

Journeyman Geek

Cause elections arn't called unless 1) we need more mods

Typically that's due to 1) lots and lots of flags

Bob

@Insane Old mods aren't elected out.

Journeyman Geek

2) mods quitting and we need more.

Only ways a mod can lose his mod powers...

typically resignation

@slhck did that

VERY rarely a mod can be asked to leave, happened to a Serverfault and a SFF mod

Insane

right, makes sense. i assume you don't deal with the mod-drama that most sites deal with

Journeyman Geek

8:52 AM

Oh we do have drama ;p

Insane

it seems all SE sites are organized so well

Journeyman Geek

But the system's designed in such a way its behind the scenes

But every so often I do wish I could smack people across the internet with a rolled up newspaper. Then I go meh and suspend them ;p

Insane

suspend? (new line of questioning begins)

Journeyman Geek

So...

lets say you've been bad

You're harassing users.

But we think you might be able to clean up your act

We can suspend you.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek SFF? Small Form Factor? :S

Journeyman Geek

8:54 AM

Actually

A Day in the Penalty Box

Jeff Atwood on April 6, 2009

Are you familiar with the Penalty Box?

@Bob: science fiction and fantasy

DavidPostill

I'm not sure I want to be a mod.

Bob

Heh. I've considered running before. Then I realised I don't really do nearly enough on the cleanup aspect.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: I skipped an election cause of that ;p

Insane

oh yeah I saw someone on SU who ranked like top .0something yet had 1 rep, learned he was suspended. that's right

Journeyman Geek

Then I realised I'd actually save time on spam flags ;p

Insane

8:57 AM

@Bob when I'm in a dedicated-phase (check my reputation graph and you'll see what I mean) I really get off on doing cleanup stuff. but phases come and go with me :3

DavidPostill

And lose time on cleaning up associated spam accounts ... right?

Isn't being a mod like being a politician? You can't please everybody all of the time ...

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Insane

time to zzz, later all

Journeyman Geek

Not really. It is quicker.

Also, I make those accounts gone.

And I don't need or care about pleasing anyone. I just do that which needs doing :p

HackToHell

10:23 AM

bs arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/…

Psycogeek

10:40 AM

?? the faut it not the people trying to regain control of the system, being the ones who purchaced and operate it. the fault is not having control of the system , making the desire (itself) to root the original cause. Tis the war between the creators wanting to control everything (some for safety reasons) and the user and developers who get it back. There must be a way to call a truce, the original device should be secure, but it should also be under the users control.

Has it become an assumption that you must take all control from the user, to have secure? I think entirely opposite, the more you take control from the user, then the army of hackers overwelms the user resistance faction :-) Who should be in control?

Bob

facebook you piece of shit

I really wish I didn't have to use this.

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