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Bob

12:34 AM

That horrible sinking feeling when you realise your new GPU is about 5mm too long

Time to cut up some HDD bays

...or the plastic off the end of the GPU fan guard

Journeyman Geek

lol

that's the nice thing about my case... ;p

Of course, it swallowed up a slightly longer than standard 980ti without me needing to move my drive bays...

allquixotic

@Bob ha! had the same problem in 2008

a dremel and a coworker who's handy with those resolved the problem

being in Silicon Valley and among hardware/software hackers was a huge advantage

so apparently Enjin is down, and today I learned they use a CDN called Incapsula instead of the "industry standard" (imo) CloudFlare

Incapsula

Incapsula Inc. is a Cloud-based application delivery platform. It uses a global content delivery network to provide website security, DDoS protection, load balancing and failover services to clients. == History == Incapsula was founded in 2009 by Gur Shatz and Marc Gaffan. The company originally operated under the company Imperva (NYSE:IMPV), a US-based data security company who owned 85% of the company. It was spun out from Imperva in 2009 and reported to be growing at a rate of 50% per quarter as of August 2013. It was also reported that Imperva has increased its ownership in the company since...

Michael Frank

12:54 AM

@allquixotic Gosh. I haven't been on Enjin in a while

Bob

@allquixotic funnily enough I do have a dremel here

Ended up trimming the fan guard though

There's a good cm of wasted plastic there

Now just installing drivers

allquixotic

@Bob nice

Bob

@allquixotic I ended up using a side cutter.

@JourneymanGeek One 3.5" bay is now empty - shifted the HDD to the only other free bay.

Had to leave the screwless plastic flip out.

The card is something like:

card <-0.5cm-> heatsink <-1cm-> fan <-1cm-> fan guard

It's kinda ridiculous how big the whole fan&heatsink assembly is

Journeyman Geek

1:13 AM

@Bob: how.. small is your case?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Mid-tower, IIRC

@JourneymanGeek this card was a tad too long

275mm

I think this is the case.

Pretty shit case tbh

Bob

1:32 AM

Uh, yea... if an nvidia-signed installer is malicious I think everyone's gonna have bigger problems.

allquixotic

@Bob it was asking me to upload Steam.exe the other day

either some new Stuxnet thing is going on or MSE is crazy

Bob

Pretty sure the second one is a plain-text file.

@allquixotic I vote the latter.

Well, at least I hope they don't pull a <other AV> here and break Windows boot.

Was it McAfee or Norton that did that?

Oh, Panda at one point.

allquixotic

I'm in love with BitDefender now

Bob

I'm in love with not using an AV at all now ;)

DragonLord

I use Norton Security. Not cheap, but has proven to be a very robust security solution.

Oct 10 at 22:34, by allquixotic

No, Microsoft, I'm not going to send my copy of steam.exe to your servers for "analysis". Firstly, that would be a violation of my license agreement with Valve to not distribute their proprietary software, and there's no exception for "because security". Second, I have BitDefender on this machine; if it doesn't see a problem with Steam, there is no problem. Defender never catches anything that BitDefender doesn't.

Bob

1:53 AM

@DragonLord "robust" nope

I used it for several years.

DragonLord

@Bob When did you last use a Norton product?

Bob

Actually, up till... 2013?

Was pretty bad the whole time.

Might've been 2014.

DragonLord

Norton Internet Security was overhauled for the 2009 version bringing dramatic performance improvements.

I have had no complaints with it.

Bob

@DragonLord Not nearly enough.

@DragonLord You do realise that Norton by default does the same thing automatically?

DragonLord

@Bob Only if it actually determines that a file is a threat.

False positives are pretty rare in my experience.

Journeyman Geek

2:03 AM

I stopped using norton after a free trial of their security software broke my system ;p

DragonLord

I've been using Norton since 2010 with absolutely no trouble. I'm surprised that people have so many issues with it.

...and yes, we intend to renew our Norton Security subscription.

Full system scans, on a system with a fast CPU and SSD, are fast.

@Bob With respect to statistical submissions, it sends parts of a program and relevant activites which appear to be suspicious for further check.

It's automatic, but it's not uploading entire executable images.

Bob

shrug

DragonLord

Symantec uses this information to test and refine new signatures. community.norton.com/forums/…

This has never been a source of trouble for me.

Bob

Meh.

All I really care about is the vast number of ridiculous false positives and lack of control.

Journeyman Geek

So... i.imgur.com/cO5s9h6.png this is the new magic mouse...

I see something wrong with the design.

DragonLord

2:12 AM

Internal Li-ion battery, charges via a Lightning connector. You'd use an existing iPhone or iPad charger to recharge it.

Bob

Any antivirus that (a) doesn't let you ignore a "detection" and (b) doesn't let you restore a "quarantined" file, never mind the times it outrights deletes your data, is terrible.

It doesn't matter however else it's good (and I maintain that its performance is poor) if it deletes your data.

DragonLord

@Bob You can ignore detections and restore quarantined files. The process is a bit convoluted, though. You'd need to go though the history to restore the file.

Once again, I have not had serious issues with false positives.

It happens, but only with certain oddball programs which do weird things.

Bob

@DragonLord "weird things" like system()?

Yes, there was that time it detected my own very basic program.

All of five lines through the cygwin layer.

DragonLord

@Bob The program might have been so small that it thought there was something like a NOP sled or other malicious data structure.

I've had this happen; however, most code I've written does not trigger it.

Bob

@DragonLord A "NOP sled" would not sit in an executable image.

@DragonLord You should be able to do those things.

I'm telling you now that often it simply won't let you.

Journeyman Geek

2:20 AM

lol

@Bob: remember that time we were tying to work out how to send a "infected" file over email?

and I downloaded eicar and my AV spazzed out? ;p

That happening while coding would be annoying ._.

Bob

I've had Norton absolutely convinced that it must delete a 500GB backup archive because there was a "prank program" inside.

I mean... wut?

I had to rename the bloody thing and let it "delete".

When you have to fight your AV like that, it's time to ditch the AV.

And by ditch I mean absolute completely shred every last trace of.

@JourneymanGeek I'd compile and run it'd get deleted on me.

Journeyman Geek

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2:24 AM

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allquixotic

2:27 AM

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Journeyman Geek

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Journeyman Geek

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oldmud0

journeyman, a miracle!!!

Journeyman Geek

2:32 AM

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oldmud0

remember I told you one drive was failing and I didn't know about the second?

Journeyman Geek

maybe?

(actually I don't ._.)

oldmud0

well I reseated them all, and they're all working (except the one with 30 errors) with 0 errors!

remember that I was talking about the ancient 2004 server?

like a week ago?

well, the new drives are in and now I can rebuild the raid5 and do a full backup!

Bob

2:36 AM

@oldmud0 Tip: do the backup before the rebuild.

RAID rebuilds tend to be rather slow.

And if a drive fails you're better off with a partial backup than a broken RAID.

oldmud0

Too late now, my dad was really anxious to see it. And I did tell him that it is dangerous to rebuild at risk of a double failure

but anyway, 2%

Bob

@oldmud0 Good luck.

oldmud0

Ya I'll say my prayers tonight

What does the "media errors" number mean?

Is it the number of bad sectors?

allquixotic

@Bob I have 2 x SanDisk SSD Plus 256GB, a 128 GB Samsung 850 Pro, and a 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro all available for caching on my desktop, now :D I really need to sell my 8805 and upgrade to a RAID card that has maxCache 3.0 - it supports read and write cache, like ZFS ZIL/L2ARC but no CPU overhead

oldmud0

At least I haven't seen any clicks of death yet

But the raid controller sure must be picky, even 2 bad sectors can take a drive offline

Not sure how it'd perform if I theoretically onlined it with those two bad sectors.

Anyone know of any good software that does incremental backup to amazon glacier?

I know cloudberry backup does it, but what else

Bob

3:01 AM

Ok, tested it out a bit and it works well :D

(GPU)

Huh. I actually have this card (rev 2.0).

That's 195mm long.

The original revision would've fit fine o.O

@JourneymanGeek how long's your 980ti?

And yours @allquixotic?

allquixotic

@Bob I have the literal reference implementation of the (non-Ti) 980

it's going to be significantly shorter than his 980Ti

Bob

@allquixotic Is that the EVGA one?

allquixotic

@Bob I'm not sure who manufactured the board. It may have been a board manufacturer doing it for Nvidia, but there is not a single word anywhere in the packaging that says anything other than Nvidia. I might be able to tear down the board and find something inside that references the manufacturer, but then I'd destroy my card.

Journeyman Geek

I THINK its 300mm

Bob

@allquixotic 10.5"/260mm?

allquixotic

3:09 AM

If the packaging is to be believed, Nvidia made this board.

Bob

That would've fit fine in my case :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Most companies make a reference implementation that's identical to the nvidia one

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That would've been 10mm too long for my case.

Journeyman Geek

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Bob

So my case actually isn't that small

I just have a damn long card o.O

allquixotic

3:10 AM

if you had a really short case, you could always stick a Fury-X in there if you didn't want to buy a new case

Bob

295mm, a whole 5mm shorter than @JourneymanGeek's supposedly oversized 980ti :P

allquixotic

or a Fury Nano

Bob

@allquixotic most cards would fit ine

your card would fit :P

allquixotic

the 980 fits with tons of room to spare

Bob

With 3cm (1in) clearance

allquixotic

3:10 AM

in my mid-tower

the R9 280X I had was a very tight fit.

but the 980 is a lot smaller

and lower wattage...

Bob

My mid-tower is pretty big but has unfortunate 3.5" bay positioning

Journeyman Geek

I believe pny makes the quadros

Bob

Then again, I got it back in 2011. It was hardly designed for giant cards.

Journeyman Geek

I don't have any bananas for size reference...

allquixotic

I'm pretty sure if I had full-size 5.25" BluRay drives taking up every available bay (or 3.5" HDDs in caddies in the same slots), the R9 280X would be intruding on the cable space of the optical or HDD drives.

Bob

3:12 AM

> How can we avoid stuck by using SLI/CrossFire system?

When build the SLI/CrossFire system, the motherboard need an extra PCIE slot between two to ensure both receive enough cool air. Don't install the cards one by one, otherwise the heat will cause system unstable. There's an NVidia offical SLI built insinstruction as below: Click here

Nice English.

I don't understand why it seems so hard for these manufacturers (Gigabyte, MSI, etc.) to hire a proofreader/copyeditor.

They're not exactly hurting for money.

allquixotic

@Bob I is become difficult due to the strange mechanisms of they speak on his websites.

DragonLord

@allquixotic Reference cards are manufactured by Foxconn.

Journeyman Geek

Ruler is not part of the case.

allquixotic

@DragonLord I wonder if Foxconn's manufacturing facilities produce boards that are marketed under other manufacturers' names, too

@JourneymanGeek Now it is :D

Journeyman Geek

In theory, I could fit in a card that's another 4cm, or move the drive bay and fit in a card approaching 500mm...

(Move - I'd just remove 2 thumbscrews and swap it from a stacked config to 2 side by side 3 drive bays)

Michael Frank

3:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek Noctua fan with stock cooler? wut?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: meh, if I wanted a ruler, it should fit the case

@MichaelFrank: erm...

yeah?

There's a story behind that

The stock case fan's in my old PC

the plan was to upgrade the cooling system gradually, but the stock cooler's been cool and efficient enough that I never bothered.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Looks about the same size as my card :P

Well, as my card was.

Journeyman Geek

and one day, the fan on the spare PC failed, and I was like "meh, I'll throw in a nice, quieter fan" since the stock cosair was the loudest fan

so, I got the noctua (and its a really quiet PC until I got the 980TI) and stuck the cosiar in my old cooler master centurion

Bob

Ouch 8MB photo

Journeyman Geek

in THEORY, there should be a H80 there, but never got around to it

@Bob: >_>

iz it?

Bob

3:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek No, the one I just took :P

Here => i.imgur.com/8oMmu8B.jpg

Yours is 400kB :p

dude.

Yes, it's dusty.

CLEAN YOUR CASE ._.

I KNOW :(

@JourneymanGeek Fair enough I guess.

Bob

3:25 AM

I haven't even had time to install the new SSD.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: place I live in is dusty as hell

Bob

Blow the dust out of the coolers now and then, but the rest of it? Yea needs a clean.

Journeyman Geek

I clean every few months.

that's the worst I've seen ;p

Bob

That mess of wires? HDDs.

Only way I can get power to the HDDs :S

Journeyman Geek

also, zat wire management

and are some HDDs facing other ways?

Bob

3:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek It doesn't look quite that bad in natural light. Camera flash... isn't nice :\

Heck, even the new card looks dusty in that photo and I can tell you there's zero dust on it o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm not goiung to complain about that since the only reason my case is neat looking is good wire management, and hiding everything in the other bay.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek All facing the same way.

There's no room to maneuver...

Journeyman Geek

I blame the dust.

;p

Bob

I need to figure out proper cable routing sometime, but at this point I might as well get a new case.

One with enough (well-positioned) HDD bays to put everything.

Hm. I do need to vacuum the bottom, though.

All the dust I just blew out (and didn't leave the case) seems to have settled when put back upright... whoops.

Top-right: SSD just sitting there

DragonLord

@allquixotic It's funny, but "don't care" has a well-defined meaning on an oscilloscope.

Bob

3:29 AM

HDDs were 2 + 2 but I had to make it 1 + 3 because the trimmed GPU is tight enough that the HDD clip wouldn't fit.

I only have five bays.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I do not regret overspecing my desktop case ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek was a cheap case

way back when I didn't really care too much (so much learned in half a decade... eh)

and didn't really know how to build a computer :P

PSU's pretty bad too

Not enough SATA power connectors, for one.

That contributes to the cable nightmare.

Anyway, gonna either ditch the case or give it a good clean when I finally install that SSD -_-

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: That's why I'm not complaining about the cabling ;p

DragonLord

In logic, don't-care terms are inputs to a circuit where the output can be disregarded (e.g. invalid inputs to a device) and can simply be treated as wildcards when optimizing circuit designs.

Don't-care term

In digital logic, a don't-care term for a function is an input-sequence (a series of bits) for which the function output does not matter. An input that is known never to occur is a can't-happen term. Both these types of conditions are treated the same way in logic design and may be referred to collectively as don't-care conditions for brevity. The designer of a logic circuit to implement the function need not care about such inputs, but can choose the circuit's output arbitrarily, usually such that the simplest circuit results (minimization). Examples of don't-care terms are the binary values 1010...

Journeyman Geek

there's a HUGE difference between my last build (in a semi decent case), and my current one with mostly a modular PSU, and a modern, roomy enthusiast case.

I won't ever cheap out on cases now tho. Its so nice not to acidentally cut yourself on your case ;p

DragonLord

3:32 AM

I've actually done some digital logic in college.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek "roomy" is not how I'd describe this case :P

To be fair, I started with two HDDs.

It wasn't too bad then.

Adding the new HDDs made everything... worse.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: The case is a smidgeon better than my old dell.

Bob

The SATA ports are nicely under the GPU too :S

Journeyman Geek

Granted, that couldn't take more than 2 HDDs, and er... those bays were 'specially crafted'

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Well, no sharp corners here at least :P

Journeyman Geek

3:34 AM

(they were punched out from the size of the case and you'd screw the drives with the bottom screwholes)

Bob

With just two HDDs the cabling ran nicely parallel to the bays and stopped around the middle.

Had to pull it down a bit to reach the new HDDs.

Journeyman Geek

sounds about right.

and all those molex connectors 0_0

Bob

Adding the SSD added another SATA cable running down the outside. It was actually next to the GPU before, but now... yea. Too long.

@JourneymanGeek Yea, actually... there's one molex-to-molex. I have no idea what it's for o.O

It's that one in the middle about 5cm long.

From there runs another cable to the front fan.

Side fan is off the molex connector to the bottom.

Bottom two HDDs are powered via molex => SATA.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: fans should be powered off the motherboard ._.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...not these case fans.

See above re: shitty case :P

Journeyman Geek

3:41 AM

@Bob: ._.

2 wire?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea.

Journeyman Geek

is it beige? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ? o.O

2 hours ago, by Bob

I think this is the case.

The fans came with molex connectors. I could probably mod them to attach to the sysfan connectors on the mobo, but... too much effort (and risk) for no gain.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Its a joke ;p

Journeyman Geek

7:30 AM

Fired up my old R61

Its really slow :/

Not as bad as my dad's (this runs windows 7 at the moment) but pretty bad

Bob

@JourneymanGeek 2007

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Assuming you get to pick where the AP goes, and your apartment is wide open

@Bob: Yup

Bob

old c2d, 2GB RAM

of course that's slow :P

Journeyman Geek

2?

1 ;p

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

7:35 AM

Its that + old old hard drive

Bob

that thing has no business running Win7

Journeyman Geek

pretty sure its 1

Bob

actually it might perform better with Win8

Journeyman Geek

I'm throwing windows 10 on it

Bob

depending o nthe GPU though

Journeyman Geek

7:36 AM

once I have this backed up

GPU?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uh... if it's got old onboard IGP Win10 might die

Journeyman Geek

I'm backing up first

Bob

more like on-mobo

:P

Journeyman Geek

actually twice

I want to try something a bit nuts

Bob

uhh

VHD off USB 2.0?

Journeyman Geek

7:38 AM

;p

Bob

that sounds

painful

Journeyman Geek

Paaaainful

assuming there's a bootloader that would even do that.

That's way in the future tho

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

yup

@Bob: 1gb memory, 950mb used ._.

When one of those things dies I'll likely transplant the ram into the other one ;p

(we have two)

HackToHell

8:24 AM

Blah audio doesn't work if hardware acceleration is enabled in chrome

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ow

@JourneymanGeek DDR2?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek $10 for two 1GB sticks => ebay.com.au/itm/…

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: can't really be arsed

Bob

lol

well

if you're actually going to use it

might as well save some pain

Journeyman Geek

8:29 AM

Its been sitting in a corner for months

no? ;p

HackToHell

If I disable hardware acceleration, video is choppy :(

Bob

$13 for a single 2GB stick => ebay.com.au/itm/…

@HackToHell "If I turn off the thing that makes it fast, it's slow."

Journeyman Geek

I'm only upgrading it cause 1) its free 2) I can spend the 10 minutes or so letting the darned thing do its thing since I'm at home anyway

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'd probably be frustrated enough for defenestration pretty quickly.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Still better than my dad's XP box

and I suspect disk is a pretty big bottleneck

Bob

8:31 AM

@JourneymanGeek When you have 50 MB RAM available, that's the first issue you should address.

HackToHell

6 mins ago, by HackToHell

Blah audio doesn't work if hardware acceleration is enabled in chrome

blames automatic update of win10

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: If I'm going to bother fixing it, I ought to do it right ;p

and well

I suspect I could throw linux on this as a second OS and it ought to be fine.

Journeyman Geek

8:46 AM

hm. dropped down to 720 mb ;p

Journeyman Geek

9:32 AM

ahh bother

veem endpoint is spazzing out over .net and I can't seem to upgrade it.

I'll hit it with reflect free for now I guess

(Its not taking a long time, I'm just popping by periodically to do this)

Journeyman Geek

10:50 AM

boo :(

Apparently for windows 7 retail, it wants the key

Bob

O_O

daisoaustralia.tumblr.com

Did not expect that.

Journeyman Geek

Oh wait

this box isn't updated

XKCD

11:42 AM

The no-communication theorem states that no communication about the no-communication theorem can clear up the misunderstanding quickly enough to allow faster-than-light signaling.

HackToHell

This beats the shit out of Skype imo hangouts.google.com/hangouts

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