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7:05 PM
@Boris_yo That there is what we in the technical trade call "Hokum"
It's basically a device that will claim to "fix" your power and improve your houses power supply (in the interests of efficiency) but all it is in reality is a nice price tag for some sub-standard LED lights and a bit of plastic casing.
@allquixotic You found Ronald Jenkees? Some of his stuff is pretty sweet.
 
@Mokubai, I found him in the oddest of places: within a Starcraft 2 custom map.
now I'm listening to him on Spotify
 
Lol, I just found a pretty sweet tune is a WoW Rogue looting guide...
The tune in this is exactly my taste:
 
there's this one Starcraft 2 map called Runling Run and it has about 5 songs compressed at extremely low bitrate so they'll fit within the map filesize restriction
 
big Red X on that. youtube's blocked by the firewall
/me clings to his phone I'll have to manually type in the link to cross the air gap
 
7:10 PM
Ah, how about Newgrounds
 
I'd rather listen to it on my phone anyway because I have my Sennheiser cans plugged into it
and the 4G is nice here
 
The newgrounds link has an mp3 download in there somewhere
It's mellow and pretty damn sweet
 
oh ok, yes. very nice. i'm listening on the youtube app on my phone now :)
i have this wiiiide arc of stuff i connect with, and after studying my musical tastes for many months to try and understand what it is that makes me like a song, i think it's mainly a wide dynamic range of tones and a lot of different harmony chords
this song is a pretty nice match
 
Likewise my brother from another nation :)
I have no fixed "type" of music I like...
 
look up Andrea Bocelli - Amapola. if you know Spanish or don't care about the lyrics to a song, and you're into deep harmony and rich vocals, you'll dig it.
I know Spanish so it's just another step on my ladder of Spanish music discovery
not just that one song but all of Bocelli's works
 
7:16 PM
I like a lot of German, Japanese, Chinese, French and other music, the language is not so important (though knowing what it means is nice) the music is what's important
 
yeah :)
I listen mainly to French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese lately, although plenty of English too
Amapola was actually transliterated somewhat well (not 1:1 mapping, but same sentiment) so if you like the song you can listen to Gaby Moreno's rendition, she sings the English
old, old song from 1924... La Calle
i connect with that old stuff man
 
I find people who "only like" one type of music a bit limited... there's so much out there to listen to, so many variations, it all needs to be listened to and appreciated.
 
yeah, hence the term "eclectic"... Jenkees is no different than Katy Perry is no different than Charles Aznavour is no different than ELO... time period, recording quality, instrument choice... not as important as the essence of the music
I can tell that some artists don't get that, because some bands will seemingly randomly swing from songs that are beautiful and flowing to atonal songs with unusual beats and no real harmony, which is off-putting... like my relationship with the band Keane... it's love and hate... sometimes they capture it, sometimes they fall flat on their face
Perfect Symmetry vs. Ishin Denshin (You've Got To Help Yourself) ... Exhibit A
 
I've had songs that I've known for years and years, then I hear a new version of it that changes the tone of the song entirely, Placebo did a good one with Running up that Hill it's so much darker than the original, but I like both versions.
@allquixotic Yeah, Keane are nice and quirky like that
@allquixotic Sounds like someone took a step back into the 80s....
 
who?
 
7:28 PM
That Keane song
 
which one? I love Perfect Symmetry, but dislike Ishin Denshin.
 
Ishin Denshin
It's like the 80s met Megurine Luka
 
ah. hehe. yeah, not a huge fan of that entire album but they've redeemed themselves with Strangeland
Josh Groban - Galileo is another of my enduring favorites. idk if the McNamara gene will make you enjoy it too haha
 
Perfect Symmetry sounds good
Waiting for the advert to finish before Galileo
 
/me installs AdBlock on @Mokubai's computer
 
7:32 PM
/me un-disables the adblock that he disabled only moments prior in order to get a stupid site to let him listen to a song sample...
Not convinced by Josh Groban, I kinda like him but he's not top of my list
He's got a good voice and the songs he sings are generally good, there's just something that I don't connect with there.
 
hmm... how about... Katherine Jenkins - Bring Me To Life? (also, if you like/know Evanescence, the answer to the question you're about to ask is yes)
 
o.O she did a version of Bring Me to Life???
Nice
 
yeppers, more symphonic and less rocky
 
for subtle music and pure voice I quite like Gretchen Peters - Picasso and Me
 
queued on Spotify after Bocelli + Jenkins - I Believe
 
7:40 PM
hehe
 
Hi everyone. Does anyone want to weigh in, edit my answer on a meta question we had on the difference between super user and ask different?
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Q: What is the difference between "Ask Different" and "SuperUser" Stackexchange sites?

Jeffrey SimonI see questions pertaining to Apple environments where they questioner is being told to ask in Superuser. Which questions go where? I tried to find guidance on this in the About page, but could not find it. Superuser is defined as "for computer enthusiasts". Ask Different is for "apple hardware ...

 
@slhck Are you 16 or 17 y.o?
 
@bmike Sounds like you summed it up pretty well, most stuff that is on-topic there is also workable here so long as it's not specifically about iOS devices...
 
@bmike, we get a lot of Mac questions on SU and we just deal with them
since I don't have any iDevices I just skip them 99% of the time unless they're about something within the console that I reasonably think should be the same on Mac as on Linux
and that's the main difference between the two, as in that answer: not everyone on SU is going to have a Mac, but 99% of the people on apple.SE are
 
They may get noticed and better handled on AD due to the higher proportion of Mac users there, but there's usually no reason it couldn't be asked here, especially if it's more to do with a shell or something you'd also find on Linux machines...
 
7:44 PM
makes me wonder why there isn't a Windows Enthusiasts site, though, with the Bill Gates Borg logo. Seeing how we have AskUbuntu and AskDifferent
 
Totally
 
@Mokubai Hokum = snake oil?
 
They've got Windows Phone, which excluded me as I had a Windows Mobile device...
@Boris_yo essentially yes.
 
There's a wealth of existing OS X knowledge here and some sharp minds answering as well...
 
haha Windows Phone / Windows Mobile :)
 
7:45 PM
@Boris_yo ?
 
/me mercilessly attacks the Windows Phone / Mobile user with cheetos
 
@Mokubai If you look at the raw question counts for both sites - a question stays on our main page much longer - the room is significantly quieter there.
 
According to them Windows Phone != Windows Mobile and Windows Mobile is dead.
 
@slhck CBA is applicable to 16-17 y.o people.
 
I think the massive overlap between the SE 2.0 sites is a cause for concern but I don't know what to do about it. It seems like taking a halfway horse to have this huge overlap. Either you sling everything into one site or you have clearly divided borders with no overlap. Otherwise the waters are muddy and you end up having to ask the same question on 3 different sites or get it migrated around until someone who knows something about it finds it
 
7:47 PM
@allquixotic We've got a surprisingly large windows PC base (still small overall though) and a decent minority of people that are PC(or mac) free and only care about iOS
 
@Boris_yo The article says it's "most common". I'm at the end of the Gaussian here :P
 
@allquixotic I do have an Android phone now, stop throwing the cheetos!
 
Thanks for the look see, everyone
 
@Mokubai, feed them to your android. He's a gooood little Android, ISN'T HE?!!?!?
 
@bmike Not much to add there I guess!
 
7:48 PM
/me looks expectantly at @Mokubai to make sure he agrees
 
He's fat enough as it is!
 
Goooood. You're a goooooooood little Android. AREN'T YOU?
 
If he eats any more he'll turn into a small tablet!
iPhones are funny, they look sooo tiny
 
youtube "Bingo the Clowno". you'll get the reference. somewhat of a tangent but it's one of the funniest early renders you'll see (Maya 1.0 IIRC)
@Mokubai, which Android do you have? I have a Razr Maxx with an Otterbox. It makes an iPhone look like a toy
but it still fits into my cargo pocket, grudgingly
 
Galaxy Note, and even though it's huge, it still fits in my jeans pockets...
Peoples first comment is invariably "That's a phone!?!?!?"
It is a pretty sweet phone
 
7:52 PM
you have a Mali? :( lucky. open source graphics drivers
i have Motorola's OMAP thingy
which uses PowerVR SGX under the hood i believe
that's actually an interesting form factor. i love the stylus and i do want a larger phone
 
@allquixotic What the hell did I just watch?!?!
 
i want to keep growing my phone incrementally, millimeter by millimeter, until the management considers it a "computer". we can't have personal computers at our desks but we can have phones.
you watched... a Futurists play made into an early render
you're a gooooooooood little Bingo. AREN'T YOU?!
 
I don't know! YES!
 
they used to call me Bingo in the office because i would walk so loud that they thought i had clown shoes on
and i showed them that video
 
@allquixotic The stylus is a proper inductive pen like the Wacom tablets use
lol
 
7:57 PM
my thinkpad tablet has a good pen like that....
but the problem is, it's currently bricked
i need to send it in for warranty repair no later than like september 22 so i'm going to attempt a last ditch desperate attempt tonight by booting it in APX mode and seeing if the bootloader is locked or not... if not then I can use nvflash to flash a full ROM and it'll be unbricked
it'll be a huge accomplishment just to get a $ shell on it again, which i think AXP should at least give me that
 
Well, good luck with that.
 
gotta wait until after work then i'll pull out all my equipment out of my laptop bag
having it out during work hours is a risk
@Mokubai, your name sounds like something you could write with exactly two Kana. is it Japanese?
 
I'm not entirely sure, it's just a name I typed into a field once and I liked it so much I kept it...
 
haha really
 
Sorta random "what noises sound nice in a name for this char"
 
8:07 PM
it seems like a romanization where "moku" is one character and "bai" is the other :P
 
it wouldn't surprise me if it did have some meaning
 
doesn't appear to have a direct kanji transcription
but もくばい works for hiragana
 
Hmmm, maybe I'd played a lot of Tekken before: eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/Mokujin
Which I had, years previous to choosing the name...
 
"moku" is actually "wood" in Japanese, and "zin" (jin) is "person"
 
@slhck Look, is this authentic refurbished?
 
8:11 PM
Hmmm... Wood-Shellfish? (jp41.com/kanji/bai.html)
 
@Boris_yo Why would I know?
 
@slhck I thought you know this website.
 
I mean the original can't be much more expensive than that
@Boris_yo Never heard of it, no
 
@slhck Do you think Logitech provides warranty on refurbished products?
 
@Boris_yo If they refurbished it themselves, probably so. I guess they actually have to, depending on local laws.
 
8:14 PM
@Mokubai, I like "counter for flat thin objects or sheets" better
 
Lol
 
@Mokubai, new insight into your name... "How many sheets of paper are in that ream?" "Wood-many!"
 
Well, that kinda works... :)
 
yeah, it works if you're talking about sheets of paper, except that "wood" isn't a number
 
might be in some language...
Anyway, it'd be "Wood/Counter for flat thin objects"
 
8:16 PM
or "wood-mediator"... now now, trees, don't fight! Oak, remember that you agreed to let Maple grow her leaves to 100 feet in the summer and overlap some of yours so she can get more sun. Maple, twisting your roots around Oak's is totally unacceptable. I think you both need to come to terms.
 
:P
LOL
Ooooh "Wood-Wolf"
 
Or "wood-double". Kinda like a stunt double, but for cheap movies where they have to blow someone up? Put a wood double in for the real actor and blow up the wood
 
Not sure I'd enjoy that job particularly much...
 
Now I know why I never considered a Galaxy Note during my Android shopping exploits: Verizon doesn't offer them.
Verizon's far and away the best carrier in terms of network around my area, and I'm grandfathered into an unlimited contract... I won't be parting with them unless they demand $600/month or otherwise forcibly remove my unlimited data plan
their LTE network has a lot of available spectrum and great signal / reliability... the only unlimited carrier in the US is Sprint (for new contracts) and their coverage and reliability are terrible, horrid.... terrid!
 
It's a damn sweet phone tbh, can't you get one unlocked and use it on Verizon? or do you have to get one of those freaky LTE phones?
 
8:22 PM
yes, I have to get a "freaky LTE phone". To make matters better/worse, Verizon's LTE spectrum is a different band from AT&T's, so even though AT&T offers the Note on their LTE, I couldn't unlock it (or buy it unlocked) and use it in Verizon's spectrum
Verizon is the only carrier in the entire world that uses this spectrum frequency for cellular communications so I get to use exactly and only the devices that manufacturers make for them.
didn't use to be that way with EvDO, since AT&T used the same CDMA spectrum as Verizon, but these are the analog TV airwaves
 
@allquixotic :/ that sounds.... stupid....
 
nah, it's brilliant
 
So manufacturer/supplier lock-in is a good thing?
 
the FCC sold off the old analog TV spectrum and earmarked the sale as having to do with next generation cellular data networks and required that they have certain provisions for net neutrality for whoever bought the spectrum
so basically Verizon got sued by the FCC for violating the FCC's agreement about net neutrality because they disabled Android's built-in tethering mechanism. Verizon fought, and lost, and had to pay millions in restitution and enable tethering
that's the part I like, not the lock-in
it's not so much manufacturer/supplier lock-in as it is using a different electromagnetic frequency that most transceivers in wireless devices are permanently programmed not to be able to broadcast in, due to FCC spectrum regulations that require devices not to broadcast on licensed bands that they don't have a license to broadcast in
but there's nothing wrong in the general case with using a new (actually, old) piece of EM real estate for a new, glorious purpose
actually most LTE-capable devices could probably run on Verizon's spectrum with minor adjustments to the antenna and a patch to the cellular baseband's firmware; but due to fears of breaking FCC regulations, most cellular basebands have a write-once firmware that becomes permanently read-only out of the factory
otherwise you could root your phone and use whatever spectrum your antenna can pick up, which would be illegal due to said regulations
 
The problem I have isn't with making use of new EM real estate, it's that they're effectively tying you down to only using their devices on their frequencies. My phone could easily be used on almost any other CDMA network worldwide with only a SIM card change
 
8:30 PM
well they aren't tying me to it on purpose; it's just that no one else has a license to operate in the same frequency band. I honestly don't know if anyone else is able to obtain a license to operate in the same frequency band. but I suspect that it may happen, at least with AT&T getting a piece
otherwise AT&T would get all jealous and make (err, I mean, heavily lobby) the FCC pass some new law requiring them to dole out spectrum to multiple carriers
 
Like the rest of the world does
 
I actually really, really like how tight FCC controls the licensed bands. my biggest pet peeve about wifi/bluetooth/etc is that they operate in *un*licensed bands, which creates proverbial chaos, and 90% of the time people complaining about crappy wifi are really just seeing spectrum oversaturation (especially in urban areas, apartments, hotels, etc)
I don't mind there being some unlicensed bands, but really, it's just a 21st century instance of Tragedy of the Commons within 5 years of introduction
the tight control over the licensed bands means that 99.999999% of the electronic devices out there are either physically incapable of spewing EM spam on licensed bands (whether it's information or just worthless EM pollution) or doing so would require basically breaking the device
 
I agree that they should be controlled to prevent overuse/piss-poor management, but I don't think that every carrier should have their own distinct "area" that no-one else can use
 
it lends a great amount of credibility and reliability to cellular data that WiFi just doesn't have
OK; well... if the carriers don't have their own distinct areas then they should be required to cooperatively schedule their channel usage when signals overlap, kind of like an air traffic controller making sure two planes aren't on the same flight path
and that would require certain amounts of mandatory, regulated signalling between towers of competitors on the same spectrum
in general there are actually schemes like that within the U.S. where overlap is either avoided entirely, or the spectrum is sub-partitioned by carrier, or there is signalling so that carriers can share the same spectrum at different times depending on demand
that works for GSM and CDMA, but LTE is actually on several disparate and unconnected spectra ranges that belong to different carriers. just how it was licensed.
 
I think in the UK they have set areas within the usable band, but generally all the phones are compatible with all the bands used
 
8:38 PM
Verizon's phones are compatible with basic cellular data (at least 2G data, voice, and SMS) on the vast majority of the cellular networks in the world... even the reverse is true; you can quite easily get Verizon's CDMA2000 (2G / 1xRTT) or EvDO (3G) working fine on many different unlocked phones
it's just the highest end, 4G, pure-IPv6 network, LTE, that's more limited, mainly because it's new and the spectrum itself is new
anyway I'm much more concerned about issues like net neutrality (them not caring what's within the bits you're sending across the network, rather than hunting you down if you do peer to peer or streaming media or tethering) and data caps than I am about vendor lockin
there isn't fierce enough competition between our carriers to make the issue of vendor lock-in a big one... it's like... what, are you going to go over to that other guy who offers exactly the same service at exactly the same price?
 
9:02 PM
@allquixotic we have much the same low price and similarity of services, but at the end of a contract we can change carrier but keep the handset...
 
that works for everything here except the new LTE. but I wonder, back when CDMA2000 was brand spanking new, if people were complaining about vendor lockin then also? There might've been a time in the US when there was only one handset manufacturer in the US that did CDMA2000. or one carrier that carried it
I doubt the 700 MHz spectrum that Verizon's new LTE sits on will remain Verizon-only forever
lol @ the HUGE band for "Aviation"
 
 
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Bob
11:33 PM
wow
Is all that worth reading, @allquixotic? :P
 
@allquixotic: In a lot of countries they have more than one phone company on the same basic bands.
Out here, I can simply switch providers (with number mobility!) in about 10 minutes or so once i'm off contract
/me notes we're getting our usage limits cut tho :/
damned big former monopoly
 
11:50 PM
@Bob It's actually a fairly interesting look in to the business tactics Verizon and other companies uses to stay dominate. In a nutshell though they get hardware manufacturers to only support them, so smaller cell companies have a hard time getting hardware to meet their needs. Pretty low and sneaky in my opinion...
 
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