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Ivo Flipse

04:19

I sont use it

Check my github project tot see how you van use it

slhck

06:34

Yo, @IvoFlipse.. we might be planning to visit west Canada by car next year, I remember you had a nice route and everything right?

Ivo Flipse

@slhck I have :)

slhck

Because that'd totally save us a lot of time :P

Ivo Flipse

@slhck Hehe, I can imagine

How much time do you have?

slhck

I guess we'll be there three weeks in total, but might be going to the US west coast as well, pay @nhinkle a visit or something :P

Ivo Flipse

@slhck That's a long drive

Though we 'wasted' the last days in the Vancouver area, so I guess you can have time to spare

also, you want to make it a round trip, because you have to return your car in Canada

slhck

06:37

Oh, that makes sense, yeah.

Ivo Flipse

And insurance might be interesting if you go across the border, so honestly I'd advise against it

slhck

Okay

Ivo Flipse

Hmmpf, I haven't uploaded our selection folder for Canada, let me fix that :P

We did something like that

slhck

Took you how long in total?

Ivo Flipse

you can easily do it in less than 3 weeks

Oh wait the route doesn't seem accurate at all

We drove past one of the great lakes, from Penticton to Kelowna and Vernon, which you can easily skip

We didn't go down to Newton/Cranbrook which probably is a much nicer drive (being in the Rocky's and all

We also cheaped out (we're Dutch after all) and drove back to Golden when we visited Lake Louise, because Banff is very expensive (if you don't make reservations)

slhck

06:44

Very expensive to stay… or?

Ivo Flipse

We also stayed in Golden when we drove over the Icefield Parkway, because its about the same drive to the entrance and again: Golden is cheap

The hotels in Banff are very expensive if the affordable ones are all rented out. Also going out for diner isn't exactly cheap either

You should go there, but not stay there more than a night unless you have a more affordable room

slhck

Hmm, yeah, I can imagine.

Ivo Flipse

130$/night is a rip-off for what you get and parking is a bit of a pain too

slhck

Really? One would think there's enough space :P

But I was kinda expecting that to be a little more expensive.

Ivo Flipse

Jasper is even worse, so if you know when you're going there, be sure to book those rooms in advance or else...

slhck

06:48

… bring a tent :P

Ivo Flipse

When we we're in Jasper, we stayed the second night in Hinton (1 hour drive) because it was like 50% cheaper

We didn't go to Whistler, because we didn't feel like driving all across the mountains anymore (we had seen plenty :P)

Whether Torino is worth it, is hard to say

Perhaps if you really want to see the beach, but its a pretty long drive

Victoria was very nice though

slhck

Okay, so going to Banff, spending two or three days on the way there somewhere else, then back, and the other direction?

Ivo Flipse

@slhck From Banff you drive up to Jasper, then go around to the left back towards Vancouver

Well's Gray was pretty nice too

Vancouver itself is a tad boring, especially if you're used to Vienna I reckon

The aquarium and museum are worth a watch though

slhck

Heh. Well, I'd consider Vienna being a bit boring.

But anyway I wouldn't go there for the cities.

Ivo Flipse

Exactly :P

slhck

06:54

I'm gonna see if we can make a schedule and if you have a list of locations or something that'd be great

Ivo Flipse

Mount Revelstoke has a nice view

and from Revelstoke you can also drive to Glacier national park, which has some walks

From Golden you can go to Yoho NP, Lake Louise/Moraine Lake

At Lake Louise you should take the die-hard tour up top

slhck

Huh? :D

Ivo Flipse

In Banff you can go up the mountain and have a view over the valley

slhck

Awesome

Ivo Flipse

Personally there's not much else to see there, its basically a copy of some village from the Alpes

Icefield Parkway is great, though you have to be lucky with the weather (it can be cloudy/misty)

You can take pretty pictures of Peyto Lake, which is very easily accessible (10 mins from parking lot) and gives you a similar view as in that picture there

There are lots of waterfalls in the area there, they give you maps which should point you to them

and if you haven't been on a glacier before, you can do it there too

You drive up there on one of these special trucks and you get to walk around a bit which an amazing view

Jasper has some lakes and stuff to see, though I reckon its nicer in the winter when everything is snow white

Lake Edith Cavell should be great, but the road was closed when we went there

Hopefully Mt Robson (the highest peak) will be visible to you guys

and if you're as unfortunate as us, you can try to see bears near Blue River (between Mt Robson and Wells Gray)

slhck

07:04

Wow, so much information :D

Ivo Flipse

Pro tip: animals get up early

In Well's Gray, don't bother driving all the way to the lake. The roads suck and the waterfalls are way more spectacular

Oh and I forgot: Kootenay National Park is gorgeous. So drive to Radium Hot Springs if only for the drive

Hence, it might be interesting to visit the southern part of the Rocky's

Anyway, DONT skip the falls in Well's Gray

slhck

Okay, check

I'll bookmark this to make a plan

Ivo Flipse

Np

There's also a waterfall near Revelstoke I think, but I'm having a hard time finding where it was on the map

Bit long walk, but its very wide and loud

slhck

No worries

Hey thanks a lot.. that'll make it really easy to schedule everything.

How long did you book/plan in advance?

Ivo Flipse

I wasn't even finished ;P

Not at all? Hehe

slhck

07:08

Haha, I've got to take a shower tho

Ivo Flipse

We booked our hotels a day in advance

Chat isn't going anywhere

slhck

True!

Well see you around later and thanks again! Don't really have internet at the moment but I'll check in from time to time :)

Ivo Flipse

See you later

Its called Wapta Falls

Hot damn what a view from up there

You can't get there though (or at least not easily)

Near Torino they have Redwoods which are great if you've never seen Sequioa's before

Cathedral Grove has lots of them too though and isn't a 4 hour drive :P

Victoria has a very nice museum and also the Bug Zoo was worth the visit

If your GF likes flowers and you don't: don't tell her about Butchhart Gardens

There's also this huge mansion which was owned by the richest guy in Canada, which was pretty nice

You can easily get a hotel in Victoria that's not downtown, because its pretty to get around there

And in Vancouver you can check out the Aquarium + Museum

Plus on the northern part there's Lynn Canyon, but by then you'll be tired of waterfalls and canyon's :P

Ivo Flipse

10:10

also hi @OliverSalzburg

Oliver Salzburg

Hi :)

Ivo Flipse

That was all I had to say :P

Trying to help that clinic install the required libraries to run my app, this will be interesting

KronoS

15:00

@slhck Sure go and see him, but good ol Kronos :P

Though I'm no where even near @nhinkle

Ivo Flipse

15:33

@KronoS You live in the middle of nowhere

KronoS

What do you mean?

Like no where near anything fun?

Ivo Flipse

Yeah :P

KronoS

We have the grand canyon!

though I've never been :(

but you're right... there's really nothing else here

Ivo Flipse

If you've never been, than its not even remotely close to you :P

KronoS

15:48

@IvoFlipse does PySide do a weird library install?

like put the libraries in a weird place?

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS How so?

KronoS

VS 2013 isn't getting all of the classes for it

Like recognizing them for auto completion and debugging

runs just fine

Do you get auto completion when using PySide?

Ivo Flipse

Ah, I'm having that problem with IntelliJ too

Not sure, though I hardly need it

Actually I think it does autocomplete methods and whatnot

KronoS

I think it's because it's a wrapper to the C++ classes

@IvoFlipse do you just use the documentation then?

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS I type "PySide QTreeWidget" into Google and BAM!

But I have read multiple Qt (C++ & Python) books

Plus I already had some skeleton code from previous things I've made

KronoS

15:58

See I'm starting from scratch... been working though a bunch of tutorials and I think I'm getting the grasp of things, but would be nice to see what the class structure is

Ivo Flipse

Did you check my program to get an idea?

KronoS

no...

did you post a link somewhere?

Ivo Flipse

Most of the time you have a MainWindow in which you nest Widgets and you arrange them using layouts and you can nest other widgets within widgets

KronoS

I don't remember :P

Ivo Flipse

github.com/ivoflipse/Pawlabeling

Though I probably could be using Qt's strengths more, like having it trigger events if certain variables change

Anyway, have a look around and if you have questions, let me know

KronoS

16:03

Oh Hay! It's starting to work!

maybe I just needed to complain about it some more

KronoS

17:15

Wow... a Tetris game in > 500 lines of codes:

zetcode.com/gui/pysidetutorial/thetetrisgame

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Nice code too

KronoS

17:30

ya it is

@IvoFlipse do you follow the MVC model using Pyside?

Ivo Flipse

Not really at the moment

The tool I have right now is lacking a model which creates a bit of a mess at times

KronoS

:/

Ivo Flipse

It depends on how you look at it, I get my data from the file system and several things are stored in tree widgets, so its not like I need it everywhere

but some widgets share the same data and having a better way to share those would be nice

KronoS

@IvoFlipse I don't really have a large Data Model

but I want my code to be organized

just curious what you did

I think I'm going to try to follow it

Ivo Flipse

17:48

Well Qt has their own version of each data structure

not exactly something I want to be using

That's very much the C++ way of doing it

Meds

Hello guys as I'm working on my computer I'm looking for a good organizer which can provide reminders, alerts schedulable by week days where I can put a specific hour, ex Monday and tuesday at 7pm it should alert me "Go eat an humberger".

slhck

18:22

@KronoS Thing is, been to AZ twice, there wasn't really much to see.. but then again I only got the chance to drive around Scottsdale and spent one evening in Tempe with a few students, that's all.

KronoS

18:37

@slhck ya that is pretty boring, and it really depends on what you're looking to do. Outside stuff is mainly hiking, and rock climbing

There's not much to see though

Ivo Flipse

Apart from the Grand Canyon that is

slhck

@KronoS Well, I wanted to go to Flagstaff and the rockies but didn't have time in between conference sessions.

KronoS

Northern AZ is really nice and fun to visit

so is the south eastern corner of AZ as well

Ivo Flipse

And Antelope Canyon

slhck

Too bad my friend there moved to Kansas – don't really want to go there :P

KronoS

18:39

neither do I

Talk about nothing there

Kansas has nothing

slhck

Arizona at least has a hundred degrees and more.

Ivo Flipse

Btw @slhck did you see the pics on G+?

slhck

@IvoFlipse Nope? Haven't been on G+ for a while!

Plus I can't view lots of pics at the moment, only on limited traffic 3G currently.

KronoS

Well the monsoons are starting to roll in, so the heat isn't as bad, but ya triple degree weather really sucks

Ivo Flipse

Well that's where all my pics are too

Ah you're on vacation or something?

slhck

18:42

Haha, no.. we moved recently and my provider is too slow to send me the modem in time.

Ivo Flipse

Meeh, providers suck with that

I don't get what could be so hard about it

slhck

Especially if you phone them every day, telling them that your line is open (as confirmed by the telco company) and they can just send the modem.

Ivo Flipse

Geez

slhck

I first phoned them last Thursday and they told me they'd forward it, and that's the same thing they told me yesterday.

Ivo Flipse

Any way, no worries, the pics won't go anywhere :)

slhck

18:46

Like chat :P

Ivo Flipse

Don't you just love that? :P

slhck

Oh, the Internet. Where shit never gets deleted.

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS found out how to handle your model?

@slhck Just ask the NSA

Oh nevermind, they already read it

slhck

Yeah, I thought I'd ditch my NAS at home and switch to NSA.

8

KronoS

@IvoFlipse eh... I went to lunch and now I'm just going to try and make it. Going to emulate what I did for the MatLab version (which is basically the MVC)

Ivo Flipse

18:52

I reckon its useful to use the accompanying models when you using things like a TreeView or Table

But if you make a your own widget then I don't really see the need to things the Qt way

KronoS

What do you mean?

Ivo Flipse

For example I have a widget that displays a QImage I created from a numpy array, there's no native model that maps to such a widget

KronoS

Can you integrate matplotlib plots into a widget or frame?

Ivo Flipse

You can, but I haven't figured out how to make performant animations with it though

Here's an example gist @KronoS: gist.github.com/ivoflipse/61b6d708daacaf2c8267

KronoS

19:22

Is there a static text module?

or a title?

KronoS

19:39

ok... how do I add a widget to a main window?

Ivo Flipse

self.layout.addWidget(self.widget)

static text? You mean to display a piece of text somewhere

try QLabel(), you can set the font and size and whatnot

KronoS

@IvoFlipse that didn't work

:/

Ivo Flipse

@KronoS Did you create the layout to put it in?

self.layout = QHBoxLayout()

HBox or VBox depending on the orientation

KronoS

ok... so what's the dif between layout, widget, and mainview?

Ivo Flipse

Well MainView is something you defined yourself

KronoS

19:54

Sorry MainWindow

Ivo Flipse

Right, MainWindow is exactly what it says

You have a QApplication, which is the instance of your GUI

That contains at least one window, the mainwindow, though it can have more

You can fill the window with widgets

But to make sure they are laid out the way you want, you using layouts

To get them side by side, use a HBoxLayout

To stack them up, use a VBoxLayout

Got it @KronoS

KronoS

Ya kinda

still working it out

Ivo Flipse

Put it in a gist, so I can tell you what might be wrong

KronoS

20:11

I just figured it out

self.mainView = MainView.MainView()
self.setCentralWidget(self.mainView)

Ivo Flipse

MainView is the name of your own module I reckon?

and MainView the name of a widget you made

But yeah, setCentralWidget probably aligns things

KronoS

Can I add a widget to a frame?

Ivo Flipse

a frame? That's not in the Qt dictionary AFAIK

Oh it is :P

The PySide.QtGui.QFrame class is the base class of widgets that can have a frame.

KronoS

Maybe I want a GroupBox

Ivo Flipse

But a frame is exactly what it means, a line you put around something

KronoS

20:25

man there are a LOT of modules

Ivo Flipse

So stick with regular ones

Apparently QFrame is inherited by a bunch of widgets

KronoS

@IvoFlipse so how do I add a frame to a widget?

Ivo Flipse

So if you use a widget on the list, you can set the frame

KronoS

or is it a base class?

Ivo Flipse

Why do you want to add a frame

Its a subclass of QWidget

KronoS

20:26

I want an outline

Ivo Flipse

srinikom.github.io/pyside-docs/PySide/QtGui/QFrame.html

Right, but why

what will be outside of the lines

You might be able to draw a line to create one

A widget that is not embedded in a parent widget is called a window. Usually, windows have a frame and a title bar, although it is also possible to create windows without such decoration using suitable window flags ). In Qt, PySide.QtGui.QMainWindow and the various subclasses of PySide.QtGui.QDialog are the most common window types.

When a widget is used as a container to group a number of child widgets, it is known as a composite widget. These can be created by constructing a widget with the required visual properties - a PySide.QtGui.QFrame , for example - and adding child widgets to it, usually managed by a layout. The above diagram shows such a composite widget that was created using Qt Designer .

Composite widgets can also be created by subclassing a standard widget, such as PySide.QtGui.QWidget or PySide.QtGui.QFrame , and adding the necessary layout and child widgets in the constructor of the subclass. Many of …

Basically that means that a QFrame IS a widget

KronoS

:/ ok

Ivo Flipse

It just adds some decorations

There's nothing weird about that

Its like the cards in Google's new UI, each card is a widget

do with it what you want, its not bad if you create a whole bunch of them

so just create a QFrame, then add it to the layout of your mainwindow or main widget using addWidget(self.frame)

KronoS

@IvoFlipse but how do I add a widget to a frame?

Ivo Flipse

self.frame.addWidget(self.new_widget)

PS: I'm using Google's naming convention AFAIK

Its a QWidget, so it behaves like one

KronoS

20:36

there is no AddWidget for QFrame

Ivo Flipse

not in the docs or?

KronoS

not at all

but if I pass the frame as a parent to the widget and then set the parent of the widget to the frame we're good

Ivo Flipse

Oh wait

Set the frame to be the parent of the widget, then add a layout to the frame and add the widget to the layout

Excuse me for my ignorance

zetcode.com/gui/pysidetutorial/widgets2

KronoS

22:04

@IvoFlipse didn't work :/

KronoS

23:20

> The latest version of PySide is 1.2.0 released on July 9, 2013 and provides access to the complete Qt 4.8 framework.

whoops... maybe I should read the docs more closely. I installed Qt 5.1

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