@PaulVargas The problem is, there's not a single Christian answer to that question. Different Christian groups will have different answers, so we need to know whose perspective you're looking for.

@TRiG I was assuming it was satire. Is that correct? I;m not familiar with the author and skimmed over most of the article as I've never (cared to) read the left behind series

@BruceAlderman I don't know. My point of view is that human love (even among believers) always have some stain. +@curiousdannii

Perhaps the downvotes are a rejection of the idea of the perfect love between believers.

@Caleb What do you think about it?

@PaulVargas Maybe, it's more likely that they were honest criticisms of the question. (sorry to cut in) One commenter noted that the Calvinists and Holiness groups have differing viewpoints. You might exploit this in your edit. A more acceptable question might be to ask for a contrast of the two groups' viewpoints on human action, in the context of loving relationships.

Or to simply ask how they differ

@PaulVargas Bruce is right. Whatever you believe about the issue itself and no matter what you think the right answer is, the question has to be scoped differently to ask on CSE. As phrased its squarely a "truth question" which would be off topic for CSE.

@Andrew, ' but of course this is all in their mind. ' everything is in our own mind

I would doubt that it's in our own mind solely. Some people were fully aware they were dead. DMT can somehow separate soul from the body

they experienced things their brain would never been able to create. Some type of out of these realm experience.

@Grasper Well, I understand what you mean. We experience the world through our senses, which are presented to our mind through as a representation. Certainly the world is out there.

@Grasper What do you mean by "soul"?

over soul, spirit, who we are...

@Grasper Who am I?

@Grasper I disagree. The brain has the ability to create vivid images. Whole worlds that are so real that when you experience them each night in your dreams, you sometimes have no knowledge that these things are not real.

DMT is part of our body. Our body produces it so it's not foreign to our organism.

@Grasper What do I do here? ;-)

@PaulVargas, that's the question. Be or not to be

@an

@Grasper These may not all be the same thing. They may be. I do not know. God breathed life into Adam, and he became a living being. This breath is the word that is often translated to the word "soul." In Greek the word is "psyche," which is the word the philosophers discussed, as well as Jesus of Nazareth, the Apostles, and Paul of Tarsus. I do not know if they meant the same thing when they used that word, but I do not trust the Philosophers.

@Andrew, vivid images yes, kind of. But the images are limited to our reality.

@Grasper They are not limited. I have seen things in dreams that do not exist in reality, and done things that I can not do in reality. The images are presented to our mind's eye in the guise of reality, because we relate to them based on our experience. But our minds can perceive the things of our dreams that are not real.

@Andrew, you saw the mixture of events that holds this reality otherwise you would understand what it means eternity or not being able to sense time or space.

@Andrew, so you haven't tried DMT or had NDE?

@Grasper DMT, along with other psychoactive substances, can induce a state in which the mind senses that it is separate from the body. The senses go beyond the body, they ignore the body, similar to they way the mind ignores the body while it is dreaming. Eastern philosophers and other esotericists have been inducing states in the person for many ages, both with substances such as these and without them.

Whether these things happen in the mind or in reality though, I think, is secondary to their results.

@Grasper I have tried many things under the sun and I have denied myself few things, though I do not approve of all things. I am not speaking out of ignorance.

@Grasper Before we continue, may I ask about you? What you seek? I have made what I believe available on my profile, but I do not know about you. I do not want you to misunderstand what I say.

@Grasper I do not fancy myself to know the foundations of the world. Do not fool yourself to think that by drinking a potion you can gain the knowledge of God. This is divination, the work of the sorcerers, philosophers, and alchemists who do not know God or seek after him.

They look for God in metal and stone. They make idols from images in their mind and say "I have seen God." They climb up a mountain and look under a rock, saying "God, are you there?"

And when they return they tell all who will listen about what they learned.

But they have learned nothing, because God has shut their eyes and their ears.

@Grasper This is the danger, the trap that most who try to lean about God in this way fall into: they conflate themselves with God. I do not think that it is a coincidence that these substances, and entheogenic and psychedelic experiences in general, are so widely used by practitioners of magic and other ideologies that equate the self with God. In fact, this is the prevailing idea among users of hallucinogenic drugs.

@Andrew ok, I got your point.

@Grasper Good. If the knowledge of God is what you seek, then I am not telling you that you won't find it. I'm telling you that you wont find it in DMT, and you won't find it in yourself. You will find it in Messiah, who is Jesus of Nazareth. If you do not know who he is or what I mean, I would be happy to continue this discussion with you in private, perhaps by email, if it pleases you.

@Andrew you know who is Jesus only from what the Bible tells you and your intellect allows you to understand. Even if you say Holy Spirit give you insights it is still your intellect that limits the HS. So you won't tell me anything new that the humanity know about Jesus. Maybe I'm mistaken, so tell me something about Jesus I don't know. I will be honest and I will tell you if I knew it what you wrote or not...

@Grasper You didn't like what I had to say about molecules made of matter, will you listen when I tell you about things of the spirit?

@Grasper Here is a saying of Jesus: The Kingdom of God is like a treasure hidden in a field. When a man came across it, he sold everything he had and purchased the field.

@Grasper Now I will give you the interpretation of the saying:

@Grasper The treasure is not hidden high up on a mountain, where no one would encounter it. Even if a treasure high on a mountain was known, only a few could reach it- perhaps no one. It would take hard work to climb the mountain and bring down the treasure. Now I will continue:

@Grasper The treasure is not hidden deep within the earth, where no one would encounter it. Even if a treasure deep within the earth was known, only a few could reach it- perhaps no one. It would take hard wok to dig down to the depths to bring up the treasure. Again, there is more:

The treasure is hidden in a field, and is so that a man who seeks it out can find it and can have it. It is there where he can reach, and he can have it. He does not have to climb to bring it down or dig to bring it up. But there is a cost to acquire the treasure: he must give up all that he has. But what cost is this? For, in giving all he has he gains immeasurably more than he had before. So it is with the Kingdom of God.

@Grasper So, tell me if you knew it.