Charcoal HQ

SmokeDetector

12:07 AM

New metasmoke user 'aug' created

SmokeDetector

12:19 AM

Conflicting feedback on Verb tense conversion in Python.

ArtOfCode

shush no there isn't

quartata

Uh?? I see only FP

Undo

Where'd that come from?

quartata

smokey go home you're drunk

ArtOfCode

me invalidating two feedbacks on the post, so that got broadcast after the first

SmokeDetector

12:23 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in answer: If a YouTube channel gets banned, does the associated Gmail account get banned also? by Vi Can on webapps.SE

tpu- by J F

quartata

Dammit, FDSC didn't load.

It always seem to do that the first time I flag something after opening Coal.

anyways still needs flags

NobodyNada

sd f

I guess

That was just weird.

exactly

We need "sd weird"

12:34 AM

I don't think we do. Sure, it's weird, but it's on-topic for the site and likely a legitimate question. However weird it is, we don't need Smokey catching it.

quartata

That was a joke.

NobodyNada

I figured it might have been :)

quartata

It would be nice if the false positive button on FDSC was a little more obvious.

Like, one of the flag options rather than just a little link.

ArtOfCode

quartata

Yeah, that would work too.

NobodyNada

12:39 AM

could it be moved up a bit so it lines up?

ArtOfCode

that was quite literally a 10 second mockup, anything we actually do would be better :P

quartata

I was thinking something more like there being another option above spam

It would have to be a different color so that you'd know it was FDSC obviously

ArtOfCode

restyling what's there would be far easier :P

quartata

Oh I know. I want to make you suffer exquisitely

ArtOfCode

:P

quartata

12:53 AM

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@quartata Of course

quartata

k

NobodyNada

I have to go; see you tomorrow!

SmokeDetector

1:03 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website answer: Opening multiple documents by Printable Calendar on apple.SE

quartata

Ooooh. That's subtle.

That's so subtle I can't tell.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by quartata

quartata

Oh wait nevermind. It was on a question about opening PDFs....

Hey look @Andy it worked

That wouldn't have been caught by anything else

Why didn't that trip link at the end of answer though

!!/test-a google.com

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as an answer.

quartata

Uh woops

!!/test-a blah <a href="http://google.com">blah</a>

SmokeDetector

1:10 AM

> Would not be caught as an answer.

quartata

What am I doing wrong here

Undo

@SmokeDetector Let's not nuke that ourselves

quartata

@Undo Why?

Undo

@quartata LEA requires a min length, IIRC

quartata

@Undo Oh, OK.

Undo

1:11 AM

@quartata I'm throwing a custom flag on it, probably better have mods there check out the information they have.

quartata

It is unusually well written.

Undo

also, chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5799239#5799239 is valid. I'm fixing

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 mins ago, by zaq

@SmokeDetector Good call, bad grammar.

Andy

@quartata \o/

SmokeDetector

CI on 65c3ce6 succeeded.

Undo

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

1:23 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 65c3ce6 (Undo1: Fix grammar in similar username reason) (running on teward/Aurora)

Restart: API quota is 7701.

Undo

Also updated the reason names on metasmoke for sanity

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Opening multiple documents by Printable Calendar on apple.SE

quartata

Why did it re-report that

@Undo

Undo

Same post and all. Not sure.

quartata

1:39 AM

It obviously reparsed it too since this time it had the blacklisted user reason

Undo

Yeah, it would

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Java newbie requiring assistance in making arrays of objects appear in toString of another class by Aashish Pandav on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

quartata

sd why

SmokeDetector

@quartata [:35643194] Body - Position 323-334: supplements

quartata

sd - f

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

1:45 AM

@quartata Of course

quartata

No feedback in MS?

Thomas Ward

greetings Minions

@Undo is everything working as it should now?

I had to evil-reset the tree :p

Undo

Should be

Thanks for taking care of that earlier

Thomas Ward

yep

had to do it from my tablet but he

NAT is evil

but hey at least it's on a LAN'd computer - 30MB/s download is fast for server VM setup

quartata

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

1:48 AM

@quartata No, you are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

quartata

Oh that's why.

Still don't get the difference between MS reviewer and chat privileges

Thomas Ward

MS reviewer gives you the ability to pass FDSC review data in and use the review tab on MS

chat privs. gives you additional privs such as for blacklisting, etc.

privs are explained here: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/Privileges

quartata

No I get that. I mean in level of trust more. Although I suppose blacklisting with pull request is the big difference

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Minesweeper, random odds. by not a nerd on math.SE

Thomas Ward

well there's giving feedback, and then there's being able to blacklist without review

quartata

1:50 AM

imagine spammers spamming us with PRs

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Undo

Thomas Ward

a handful of us have that priv (esp. us with godly evil code commit privs already) but... yeah you get the idea

Undo

@quartata heh. There's no reason Smokey can't delete PRs unilaterally...

Seth

@SmokeDetector lol

Thomas Ward

@Undo Except that we don't do so :P

quartata

1:51 AM

@ThomasWard Well blacklist without review needs code privileges

Thomas Ward

for the !!/blacklist-* commands? Oh yes it does, on MS and I think on Smokey

Seth

@quartata MAKE US PRIVILEGED. THE INDIAN HACKER TEAM REQUEST THAT.

but maybe you weren't around for that bit.

Thomas Ward

throws @Seth through /dev/urandom to make more interesting messages come forth

wow VM setup on 30MB/s download speed is speedy o.O

quartata

burned

Seth

@ThomasWard 30 M*B*/s? You don't say lol

Thomas Ward

1:53 AM

lol, nah @Seth and I both get along, he tolerates my odd humor

@Seth yes, MegaBytes per second

not bits

bytes

Seth

@ThomasWard niiiiiiiiiice /me wants

@ThomasWard skjg8*#HFLGJWU@#&YGFHULSEHF*#&RYFAHJDf

quartata

insert generic back in my day 56k modem rant

Thomas Ward

@Seth my wifi can't get that speed, because ratelimiting on the wifi section of my net, but all my servers on my LANs? yes speed, CONSUME THE BANDWIDTH IN BURSTS MY MINIONS USE MY 250Mbps DOWNLOAD SPEEDS TO TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE FOR ALL TIME AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *shot*

Seth

In other news I need more RAM. Between vSphere, chromium, and Word 8GB isn't really enough.

Thomas Ward

in other news I need coffee to stay sane :)

Seth

1:54 AM

@ThomasWard that's news? :P

ArtOfCode

I can hit 10 MB/s on a good day

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Yvette on Opening multiple documents [MS]

Seth

@ThomasWard I feel your pain. My network printer doesn't support 802.11n so I know what you mean -.-

Yvette Colomb

@JF sorry I only just saw your comment

Thomas Ward

@Seth my network is full n/ac

in dual band

i just have it rate-limited since i have so many servers that need more bw

Seth

1:57 AM

@quartata man, I had this really awesome US Robotics 56k modem, nice expensive one back in the day, that I lent to a guy who still used dial up. Then he upgraded to Comcast and the install tech threw it away :(

@ThomasWard faaaaancy :D

ArtOfCode

@Seth you know your 32px avatar is broken?

Seth

@ArtOfCode yeah. blame gravatar.

ArtOfCode

Oh, I usually do

Undo

Not broken for me

Seth

cloudflare: Cloudflare Reverse Proxies are Dumping Uninitialized Memory

quartata

2:03 AM

@Seth that may be the greatest tragedy of our lifetimes

@Seth Cloudbleed is so 13 hours ago. Get with the times.

We're all over that SHA-1 collision now

Seth

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 10 hours ago, by Seth

Announcing the first SHA-1 collision.

:D

also :/ because collisions.

quartata

in The Nineteenth Byte, 13 hours ago, by mınxomaτ

SHA-1 collision by Google

We did it first

Seth

I was sleeping then :P

quartata

@Seth Well, you shouldn't be using SHA-1 anymore. This is just the frying pan for those who weren't listening

Andy

9 hours ago, by Andy

SHA1 is dead

Seth

2:05 AM

@quartata true.

quartata

So when you take that part out of it it's pretty cool

Undo

110 GPU years sounds like a long time, still

But yes

Seth

I dunno

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 7 hours ago, by Nathan Osman

The Bitcoin network performs that many hashes every 1.5 seconds.

but I didn't verify that. Nathan usually knows his stuff though.

ArtOfCode

That would mean the BC network has the equivalent of 2,312,640,000 GPUs. I know it's big, but that sounds about an order of magnitude or two too big.

Mr. Bultitude

I've opted in to the auto-flagging thing, and I'm trying to figure out the "conditions" page, but I have no idea what the numbers mean. Can anyone help?

quartata

2:17 AM

Sure.

So the way autoflagging works is that every post gets a reason weight

This weight is equivalent to the sum of (true positives)/total * 100 for each reason the post was reported

So the first number is the minimum weight - i.e what the lowest weight you're comfortable with flagging is

The second is the maximum amount of rep the poster of the reported post can have for you to autoflag it

Obviously this should be something fairly low like 1 or 11 on the off chance a high-rep user posts something that ends up getting reported for some reason

And the last one is just the minimum number of reasons the post can have to get flagged by you

For reference mine's minimum weight 210 maximum poster rep 11 minimum reason count 3. The reason count is kind of arbitrary in this case since to have a weight > 200 it'd have to have three reasons anyways.

@Mr.Bultitude Does that help?

ArtOfCode

Minimum weight is a bit opaque if you aren't too familiar with the rest of the system. I can explain it in more detail if you like, but we recommend using 280 in that field because it results in around 99.99% accuracy.

quartata

Yeah, the wizard's default values are good.

I think the wizard shows the accuracy too right

ArtOfCode

aye

Thomas Ward

@Undo how did you derp Git anyways

just curious

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: Is it acceptable to concatenate each and with_index? by DrMax on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by Yvette

Yvette Colomb

2:26 AM

well that's a little evil and against the law in many places — Yvette Colomb 9 secs ago

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'vikarjramun' created

Yvette Colomb

how is that spam sitting there with only one flag?

ArtOfCode

It's not just high-reppers who read MSE (MS A/C 153)

Yvette Colomb

interesting target audience

ArtOfCode

PSA: Site count has increased 163 -> 166; if you want to include the new sites for autoflagging, you'll need to edit your settings.

3

Yvette Colomb

2:33 AM

@ArtOfCode there's plenty of people without MSE accounts who read it. Many people in socvr - before so many joined smokey they didn't have MSE accounts, but kept up with it.

J F

(new sites are Literature, Vegetarianism, & Ukranian Language)

ArtOfCode

also, how is Latin a year old already? I remember that launching like... two months ago.

J F

private beta + public beta = 1 year?

ArtOfCode

yeah, both phases

Yvette Colomb

maybe you slept for ten months

Thomas Ward

2:37 AM

or I stole your memory, @ArtOfCode

I was sapping everyone's mental abilities earlier this week :p

ArtOfCode

possibly both

@ThomasWard joke's on you, I don't have any

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode you have a lot of bioelectrical chemical energy in your brain. Everyone does. I was sapping neural energy.

Then I went and fell asleep for 12 hours ;P

J F

Night all

Yvette Colomb

@ThomasWard ah that explains my fatigue

@JF night \o

Thomas Ward

@YvetteColomb yeah, if you noticed a super sharp decline in your mental faculties and such, it was me

Yvette Colomb

2:42 AM

@ThomasWard he and Undo have super powered neurochemistry in their brain synapses. They're the brain superheroes of this room, perhaps, .. other parts of SE

@ThomasWard I hope you didn't starve when zapping my brain :D

Thomas Ward

@YvetteColomb That's why i was able to survive Monday when I had no sleep the night before.

@YvetteColomb I sapped the brain energy from many in many chats

AUGR is a pure-source of bioneural energy being wasted, so I just sapped it there :P

Yvette Colomb

@ThomasWard AUGR?

You're quite the modern day super villian aren't you?

Thomas Ward

sorry i am used to most knowing what that is

Ask Ubuntu General Room

Normally: General discussion around Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu & offic...

ah lol

^AUGR

2:47 AM

we need a name for you - N.S.M.S.S.V. neural sapping modern day super villain It's quite catchy!

quartata

"Diamond-Powered Envoy of Darkness and Chaos"

I suppose that's a title huh

Yvette Colomb

It has a more ominous tone to it than my suggestion :D

ArtOfCode

True Holder Of Most Aurasmic Sinistrosity. Or THOMAS, for short.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Firewall queries in netwaork by iamasuperuser on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by Yvette

quartata

ehhhhh

Did you follow the link?

ArtOfCode

2:55 AM

disclosed, just

quartata

FDSC isn't giving me the fp link.....

what the hell

does it not let you do fp- on something that already has tpu- feedback

Jan Dvorak

That's because we've got rid of false positives; there's no more need to report them as they simply do not exist.

quartata

or maybe it's just because fdsc hates me and never works the way it should

ArtOfCode

@quartata this

quartata

literally about to do an API request just to do this here

Yvette Colomb

2:57 AM

@ArtOfCode hold back on invalidating my feedback please. I'm sure there's more to come

quartata

@ArtOfCode that's dumb

@YvetteColomb Did you follow the link?

I mean it could be spam anyways. I don't know.

Yvette Colomb

@quartata yes I think it's spam

ArtOfCode

@quartata yes, we obviously didn't think it through at all before making it do that </s>

Yvette Colomb

It's an opportunity to promote their service. Same avatar and two links! to the site. disclosed my foot. The first link wasn't. It's a one sided shameless self promotion for a user of 1 rep and only started today

quartata

@ArtOfCode thanks for bowing down to my superior intellect

ArtOfCode

2:58 AM

@YvetteColomb it is disclosed, technically - "my post", "my blog". But yes, there may well be more to come.

Jan Dvorak

I didn't flag it

Yvette Colomb

@quartata meh, you just haven't had your brain sapped today :)

quartata

@YvetteColomb please I have Mind Blank

I fear no Thomas

Yvette Colomb

don't speak his name, we don't want him to hear us

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Firewall queries in netwaork by iamasuperuser on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

ArtOfCode

3:01 AM

Huh. I just realised that I could nuke literally anything on the network. On my own.

that's almost a scary amount of power

quartata

Looks like there was more to come

Although it doesn't have any links to his thing

Yvette Colomb

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

naa- by Rob

quartata

@YvetteColomb The heck?

Yvette Colomb

guys you should realise by now I'm usually always right about these spammers

@quartata he's linking to a tutorial about his site!

It's the same user!

quartata

3:02 AM

Oh yes. Sorry I hadn't unshortened it yet.

unshorten.it/?url=https://youtu.be/…

Yvette Colomb

The worlds gone mad, am I the only person who can see this will go and work

quartata

@ArtOfCode I would be remiss not to warn you that autoflagging has been known to trigger feelings of pure omnipotence. You may also experience some slight dizziness from the rush of unprecedented arcane power

2

Undo

@ThomasWard Tried to merge a PR from GitHub Desktop. Don't do that

Thomas Ward

@Undo yeah GH Desktop does a lot of evil

@Undo I'd use the GH web merge button lol

it works better xD

Undo

@ArtOfCode wait, how would you do that?

Thomas Ward

3:05 AM

and doesn't force me to hard-fix the tree with git evil

quartata

@Undo Using your new found stash of API tokens

You can't really do a lot against 85 spam flags

Undo

But only I should be able to do that, hopefully

Single point of blame and all that

Thomas Ward

@Undo any chance I could get a second MS key code for Smokey so I can spin a secondary standby instance? or would that fail because of MS key binds to user accounts?

just curious

Undo

@ThomasWard That'd be possible, yeah

Thomas Ward

cool, can you or Art gen a code and encrypt it to me?

since my stuff is on Keybase and what not :P

Undo

3:07 AM

... the time may have just increased from one minute to multiple

ArtOfCode

@Undo pretend I'm Smokey, and send a forged post to metasmoke. Give it enough reason names to give it >500 weight, make the link point at my target, and bang. Oh, and raise max flags to 6.

Undo

But I've been wanting to try that anyway, so okay

@ArtOfCode Two points in the code will refuse to send more than three flags

Thomas Ward

waits for MS to explode

Undo

(1) is that hardcoded '3', (2) is the max_flags_per_post on the Site model

ArtOfCode

@Undo we have a hardcoded 3?

Undo

3:09 AM

Oh, maybe not. Just a default of 3

Still, you'll have a hard time updating (2)

ArtOfCode

Aye, though we did intend to put in a UI for that

Undo

that'd probably be a good idea, but it'd be nice to have a hard maximum somewhere

Yvette Colomb

I need to write a meta post asking for the spam definition and description to be changed. Just because it is disclosed doesn't mean it's not spam. That loop hole can be exploited.
> I have a product that can help you! Grow bigger heads! Use it today!

Undo

there is another possible attack vector, but I'm not gonna spread it around until it's fixed.

(have fun)

ArtOfCode

@Undo Not sure we need one. Default 3 is good, but otherwise we can just pull from flag settings. I suspect we'd hear about it quite quickly if someone decided to go rogue and put it at 6.

Undo

3:11 AM

@ArtOfCode Probably, but it'd be nice to just reject any attempt to do that

I mean, if we're intentionally doing that we can probably afford a deploy

ArtOfCode

true

@Undo wait... I might have it, though I don't know if it's the one you're thinking

Yvette Colomb

ok I'll go somewhere I'm not invisisble

Jan Dvorak

especially given that we recompile everytime a blacklist is changed.

Undo

@YvetteColomb not invisible ;)

I just don't have much of an opinion around that. Haven't had time to form one.

ArtOfCode

@Undo in your emails

Undo

3:16 AM

aye

ArtOfCode

someone should be sensible and put that check in :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: PfSense hardware by iamasuperuser on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

fp- by ArtOfCode

naa- by teward

quartata

This guy is confusing me

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is separate DS-160 form needed for spouse for US B1/B2 visa? by MONICA on travel.SE

tpu- by quartata

quartata

@SmokeDetector autoflagged?

SmokeDetector

3:21 AM

@quartata That post was not automatically flagged by metasmoke.

Jan Dvorak

I feel like this guy is a bit audacious superuser.com/questions/1182219/…

quartata

?

Oh.

Well I mean it's not necessarily a pirated movie.

Jan Dvorak

A legitimate movie download? I didn't consider it a possibility

Undo

BEGIN KEYBASE SALTPACK ENCRYPTED MESSAGE. kiS2n6W4XB3QNEC peK0Xp8djEUNnNP MeAeEgDMvTyxpdT TSDC0k1qmoFLVR8 FMhVHGnZJST9aQ0 1fDMCPTDcihsMiv OpBrYpogdfEF4CN 279XrTL7jmXggH1 nzUGEqimFQexbJX QH7wqR3vYA0483G GHxKOSA1iFsX0Rd tX3qXYtvqKbCKqM 9yISzoXOhYPuHBW sQVDTkKJpmGkvvX 2eAiaKJ9rPECb1e TDrVQv5tYnAvYVm Q8pGGkm5ypvWO0L Je76nBQMFRJ1Jn0 t4RDtpnhJItVGaL plG13joDUaipfnO qw9fFg3dHwReEWy hyjxkZyXNSopXzg ANHzP4oV6eoSWrl ZhcyXBvSSmxKWFD kpFgqlXOdKbXhly JokFdnU6EpxmF1U RP6ta7wbuJytgXD i1pVPa5JcXjq8Hq nVGwMeUJbbWGZmc nx012HR6wcchuvc c3hOg1SQrW6i2rS tSDlrYGAHMbL8Ft 4iUnkjUpeyhdPbR 2GedYg9K4vMmQy4 0bgxAvH7pt7…

@ThomasWard That ^ should work

Jan Dvorak

???

Thomas Ward

3:32 AM

@Undo thanks

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 65c3ce6 (Undo1: Fix grammar in similar username reason) (running on teward/ESXi)

Thomas Ward

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard 65c3ce6 (Undo1: Fix grammar in similar username reason)