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hichris123

00:23

!!/pull

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Normal Human

:D

Doorknob

@hichris123 It's just not right to have a :( in there while winterbash is still going on. :P

hichris123

@Doorknob But it's talking about how it'll be over. :(

Doorknob

"N days of Winter Bash festivities remain! :D"

Normal Human

00:25

I was about to say the same, actually... This frown will be there from the beginning...

hichris123

...

ok fine.

Normal Human

Maybe only add it after now > (wb_begin + we_end)/2

hichris123

too much work. I'll do it manually. :P

Doorknob

Or have a face gradually changing from \o/ :D :) :| :( D:

:P

Normal Human

Yes, we need a sigmoid function of time for this.

hichris123

00:28

!!/pull

I took the easy way out.

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Doorknob

\o/

hichris123

00:47

Brownie point to anyone who can figure out where on dev.SO the winterbash files are.

hichris123

01:12

@Undo is there a leaderboard this year for GCI?

Undo

@hichris123 No

Which is sad :(

hichris123

yup

Brock Adams

Dumb Q: What's GCI in this context?

hichris123

I have work to do though, so it's good. :P

@BrockAdams codein.withgoogle.com

Undo

^ that

Brock Adams

01:14

Oh. Thanks.

Undo

@hichris123 It seems to be expressly discouraged by Google for whatever reason, and they've designed things this year to make it basically impossible to build one

hichris123

huh.

Undo

Which I disagree with because you have to be in the top 10 to be a finalist/winner, but there's no way for a kid to know if they're in the top 10

hichris123

yeah.

Undo

People say that "they should just focus on quality tasks", but if I'd done that last year I wouldn't have been in the top 10. The contest is built such that one needs to do a certain volume of 'throwaway' tasks, otherwise you can't win.

And now kids have no way of knowing how many of those they need to do

@Doorknob "0 days of Winter Bash festivities remain! :D"

^ Also doesn't sound right

Normal Human

01:17

That's the point I made above, about a sigmoid. Gradual transition.

Undo

Whoa, those look cool

Sigmoid function

A sigmoid function is a mathematical function having an "S" shape (sigmoid curve). Often, sigmoid function refers to the special case of the logistic function shown in the first figure and defined by the formula Other examples of similar shapes include the Gompertz curve (used in modeling systems that saturate at large values of t) and the ogee curve (used in the spillway of some dams). A wide variety of sigmoid functions have been used as the activation function of artificial neurons, including the logistic and hyperbolic tangent functions. Sigmoid curves are also common in statistics as cumulative...

Normal Human

Here it could be a simple linear function of time, rounded to integer, picking an element from faces = ['\o/', ':D', ':)', ':|', ':(', 'D:']

Undo

That'd probably work, but it doesn't have a fancy name

@hichris123 @NormalHuman Okay, something I've been meaning to float for a while: What would ya'll think of us experimenting with automated spam flagging?

Normal Human

By which account?

Undo

Smokey

hichris123

01:24

@Undo Did Shog give an okay for that?

Undo

We can grind up to the assoc bonus

Don't start out with real flags, of course. Mark things that we would have flagged, check back on them later (metasmoke cron job?).

hichris123

Oh oh I see.

Normal Human

I think the benefits are questionable, and slippery slope is too slippery.

Undo

I do think this is the next logical step.

Although I agree about the slippery slope thing

hichris123

It is... though as @NormalHuman points out, 1 spam flag doesn't accomplish much. :/

Doorknob

01:26

That's also borderline sockpuppeting

Undo

My real motive here is to show Shog & team a 99.x% success rate with something like that. Then they can adjust filters at the system level.

Which we can do without real flags, really.

Doorknob

So store data but don't actually flag

yeah

Undo

@Doorknob I'm pretty sure we could get approval for this if we wanted to

And we had data to show we know what we're doing

Normal Human

Do they care, though? Obvious spam gets deleted anyway. And non-obvious spam needs human review.

Undo

Being able to block metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/reason/59 would be nice

I dunno, it's just an idea

We're far more agile than SE itself can ever be in blacklisting these kinds of things.

hichris123

01:30

Hmm... how would you propose to do this? Create a list of reasons that should send an additional flag to metasmoke, and create a new page for posts with that flag?

Undo

Imagine if Smokey had the equivalent of 3 spam flags. That can make a difference.

Basically a reduced threshold for spam-nuking questionable stuff.

@hichris123 That'd work

I can just schedule a whenever job to check whether those still exist every five minutes or so. If they don't last five minutes, it was probably spam

hichris123

Or just manual review. Or a combination of both.

Undo

It'd really be nice to have that spam dump.

hichris123

yep.

Undo

I somewhat suspect that project died

hichris123

01:36

@TimPost Any update on said spam dump?

Undo

Wow, I never realized his chat ID was so low

The other thing I'm planning to look into is filters based on time of day. I'm pretty sure some of these recurring spam things that are hard to blacklist on their own have a definite timeframe they fall in

hichris123

!!/pull

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Normal Human

@SmokeDetector I'm afraid that would get auto-flagged... :/

Undo

sd fpu-

hichris123

01:48

@NormalHuman It'd be restricted to things like 'Only URL in title' (or whatever), etc -- filters with ~100% accuracy.

Undo

@NormalHuman We'd put a bunch of limitations on it, like how long ago it was posted, rep of the author, etc.

And only some filters.

On only some sites.

And wait for a while to make sure no one fp's it

Normal Human

Maybe it's just my fear of AI...

Fear of AI is like fearing your kids will be smarter than you 1)You should hope they are 2)If they try to kill you, you likely had it coming

Tweeted by silvexis on March 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM

Brock Adams

@NormalHuman But we ALL have it coming! My kids just aren't smart enough not to get caught, and they know it.

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02:24

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: ERROR when trying to pick a first time profile name by qq410219243 on gaming.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in username: How do I get on a Minecraft PE server that says it is full but it is not? by qq410219243 on gaming.stackexchange.com

Brock Adams

sd why

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@BrockAdams [:26128304] Username - Position 1-12: qq410219243

Brock Adams

@SmokeDetector ¿Hruh? @NormalHuman

Normal Human

I guess that check should be for titles only.

QQ: 123456789 buy diploma now

@SmokeDetector fpu-

!!/pull

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Normal Human

02:41

One of these days, I should somehow order and group the rules logically: things mostly for titles, things mostly for questions, things mostly for answers... or some other logic, I don't know.

The array is getting pretty large.

Brock Adams

Maybe even split the file?

If you want to be really evil, have it read a wiki for the rules! (or a meta post) That ought to liven things up. :)

SmokeDetector

04:59

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: open frameworks with C/C++. Implementing an xbox controller for mouse movements? by Previn on stackoverflow.com

Brock Adams

sd why

SmokeDetector

@BrockAdams [:26130089] Body - Position 6365-6372: asshole

Brock Adams

sd - f

SmokeDetector

05:45

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Is this picture of relativity correct? by brush on physics.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: NORMALITY TEST DESCRIPTIVE VS INFERENTIAL by noob on stats.stackexchange.com

Normal Human

Out of all the SE chatrooms, barrycarter picked Normal Chatroom as an example...

Brock Adams

That's a normal reaction...

sd 2f

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: How can I use credit card numbers containing spaces? by christy on stackoverflow.com

Normal Human

06:01

@SmokeDetector k finally some spam, I was getting worried

Brock Adams

08:39

!!/status

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@BrockAdams Running since 08:37:46 UTC (1 minute)

Brock Adams

!!/errorlogs 99

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    run_old(*args, **kw)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/threading.py", line 763, in run
    self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/browser.py", line 696, in _runner
    self.on_activity(json.loads(a))

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/ChatExchange/chatexchange/rooms.py", line 81, in on_activity
    event_callback(event, self._client)

  File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/chatcommunicate.py", line 102, in watcher
    r = handle_commands(content_source.lower(), message_parts, ev_room, ev_room_name, ev_user_id, ev_user_name, wrap…

SmokeDetector

09:07

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: What is the difference between 3 axis and 6 axis gyros? by jezernik on electronics.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

11:09

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Software update shows a stop sign and no wifi/ethernet connection. 14.04.1 by Jean Lawrence on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

11:47

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Must a couple get divorced if they have no children after 10 years? by jack howard on judaism.stackexchange.com

S.L. Barth

@SmokeDetector k

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[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: I can't right command for authors' name and email addresses etc. Article Format in Latex-For Portugaliae Mathematica by acommand38 on tex.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

12:36

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, email in answer: Why is Arwen dying? by clayton on scifi.stackexchange.com

S.L. Barth

12:48

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

13:26

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Which country had the first constitution adopted by referendum? by deeznuts on politics.stackexchange.com

S.L. Barth

@SmokeDetector why

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@S.L.Barth Body - Position 4-13: deez nuts

S.L. Barth

@SmokeDetector tp-

Not blacklisting yet, but it's clear NAA and probably a troll.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Movie with the brain power “regulator” by Krzysztof Dziądziak on movies.stackexchange.com

S.L. Barth

sd 2fp-

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