Charcoal HQ

Annonomus Person

00:02

@Undo have you ever thought of figuring out a way to get a ton of flags and their results: denied/etc. and then put that in a database, and then flag anything that's 90%+ similar? We might be able to revive Charcoal if we test with small batches to see if it works, and then submit it on meta and see if they would approve of such a thing...

They said that if we found an algorithm that worked good they would use it and destroy them all at once.

Name idea: Dynamite

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson That's what we were thinking of doing, but the thing is how? I was thinking machine learning... but that's a lot of work.

Dec 31 '13 at 23:17, by hichris123

Get the text of all of the valid flags, find matches of words and such

@Annon ^ Look around there

Annonomus Person

00:26

@hichris123 Not that much... I'm researching AI for a project. It's just finding patterns....

Looks for libraries

Hey: let me point this out right now... if I help create this and SE buys it, I get a chunk of the $$$.

:P

@hichris → php.net/manual/en/function.similar-text.php

Never mind "PHP is great" & "MYSQL" = 27%?!?!

"" & "" = 0%

If you switch them around, you'll get different results.

Undo

►

^ Go watch that. Now.

This is why we need to switch to metric.

Annonomus Person

00:44

@Undo Lol

hichris123

@Undo No!!!!!!!

@AnnonomusPerson Huh.

Annonomus Person

I've never heard of most of those measurements... feet, inches, miles, and yards.

hichris123

@Undo Hmm... do you think you could badger Shog to give us a database of deleted comments?

Undo

perhaps

Annonomus Person

Not public...

Undo

00:46

but there's nothing saying he would bestow them upon me.

Annonomus Person

@hichris You did read below the link.

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson ... I didn't really get what you meant.

@AnnonomusPerson Nah, we could keep it private.

@Undo well, you can try.

Annonomus Person

It detects the %... it's not really accurate.

Let's build an engine before we ask for the content.

If we think of a good idea, that'll help us out and if we can't figure out how to start, Shog might get mad.

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson Meh.

Hopefully we'll get Tim's spam database soon...

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 ???

hichris123

00:48

56

Q: Would anyone care for some processed meat-like substance with a gelatinous glaze?

Something sort of magic happened a short time ago, sometimes a graph is worth a thousand flags: That's right, around March 28, the spam protection layer blocked about 20,000 spam attempts, mostly in the form of suggested edits, while users didn't see much of an increase in what they had to fl...

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 We should at least start on it. Like I said, the function isn't that reliable

hichris123

9

A: Would anyone care for some processed meat-like substance with a gelatinous glaze?

Yes. This. We in Charcoal HQ have Smoke Detector, a chatbot that hooks into the the realtime question feed and runs some Doorknob-inspired regexes to detect spam. Note that it's kinda not working right now, because servers, but nevermind about that. Anyway, with data like this we could, in theo...

@AnnonomusPerson We can probably find a better library.

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 We need to find one I'd imagine to submit.

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson Hmm... let's find one!

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 Dibs on project manager :P

web.archive.org/web/20080506155528/http://software.zuavra.net/…

@hichris ^ Something like that?

hichris123

00:56

@AnnonomusPerson It'll be all of us, probably. Most likely hosted on GitHub via Charcoal-SE.

:D

Annonomus Person

I said manager, :)

That'd be pointless to have five managers.

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson Kinda... though we need the percentage of diff.

@AnnonomusPerson Meh. :P

Undo

what are we doing?

It feels like someone's starting a project.

Annonomus Person

@Undo Automagic Charcoal 2.0 stuffys

With AI!

Undo

ooooh

hichris123

00:57

Dec 31 '13 at 23:17, by hichris123

Get the text of all of the valid flags, find matches of words and such

Basically that idea.

Oh, I'm too late. :(

Undo

we already got in trouble with Charcoal. Remember?

Annonomus Person

I wanna call it Dynamite

Undo

and now we're giving it a brain?

hichris123

@Undo No, not autoflag.

Annonomus Person

@Undo Lol more machine learning.

Undo

00:57

ah, okay

hichris123

Give to Shog/CM/meta.

Undo

yeah, that'd work

Annonomus Person

Try to integrate it in SE itself.

Undo

say, another project I wanted to start:

just a minute

Annonomus Person

We'll have a lot of false negatives, but better than nothing.

@hichris123 We could adapt that library and modify the code to instead add a percentage based on character counts.

Undo

00:59

nltk.org looks like we could run titles through it and maybe try to do some statistical analysis on them, maybe find some patterns.

Annonomus Person

Even though: Hi Chris & Chris Hi = 0%

Undo

Download nltk and play with it locally, it's awesome

hichris123

@Undo Ooh, Python?

Undo

yeah

hichris123

That would work.

Undo

01:00

you need NumPy too for some stuff

hichris123

rofl @Annon do lowercase letters make you sad?

Annonomus Person

On Proper Nouns, yes.

hichris123

Disney.

:D

Annonomus Person

>:)

hichris123

:( Shakes in fear of ♦ hammer

Undo

01:03

I shall protect you, @hichris123

hichris123

@Undo :P

it's working!

Undo

wants lock option for chat messages

hmmm

I know!

Annonomus Person

>:-D

hichris123

@Undo Pings bothering you, eh?

Undo

Just a minute, @hichris123. Try to hold him off for a little while longer

Annonomus Person

01:05

Not my ♦!!!

Undo

room parent site changed to softwarerecs.stackexchange.com

hichris123

ROTFL

Annonomus Person

:)

Undo

room mode changed to Private: only approved users may enter this room (this should only be used for moderation purposes)

hichris123

rofl

Undo

01:05

We win, @hichris123 :D

How long should we make him wait?

hichris123

You need to kick, @Undo.

Undo

can't

@AnnonomusPerson can you hear me?

hichris123

@Undo Put him in the penalty box for 30 min, & change parent site.

>:D

Undo

hehe

I'll let him back in

room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk

hichris123

moderation purposes

:P

Undo

01:07

I'm a moderator, and it was my purpose.

hichris123

@Annon Oy.

Annonomus Person

Back.

Undo

rofl

that was fun

room parent site changed to default (no parent site)

Annonomus Person

That was fun.

hichris123

Oh, @Undo we should have oneboxed a message in the Tavern while it was private. :P

Annonomus Person

01:08

Sorry @hichris for getting punished for @Undo's issues :P

Undo

@hichris123 yeah, that works.

Annonomus Person

@Undo No.

I can't hear you.

Undo

Good

Annonomus Person

What?

Undo

Mod wars are fun

Annonomus Person

01:10

Hehe

Undo

gtg, cya.

Good luck @hichris123 :P

Annonomus Person

So @hichris Engine idea:

hichris123

@Undo Aww. :(

Annonomus Person

- First, we break it up into sentences. Then, we break it up word by word to try to get the meaning of it. We remove simple words (pronouns, helping verbs, etc.) and then compare each sentence with a database. We then score it and decide if it's worth it.

For example, if it's related to a obsolete comment, it's -2 points. If it's bound to a "good" comment that's not removed (we'll have to filter these), we do +10. If it's borderline, it should be flagged: deleted if very low and left if high.

We do regular "audits" to improve accuracy and if something fails an audit we can search related 'bad' items and delve into the information.

Also, we might want to replace some common words for the post only (Java, SQL injection, etc.) with "$topic"

That way we can expand onto other topics with little data in the DB and get accurate results.

And we'll need Dy-flags and SE-flags... both reviewed manually and inputted back into the engine.

Sounds doable @hichris123? ^

Oh yeah, no auto-deletion if it's over 300 chars. A flag, maybe?

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson Huh, seems hard but doable.

Annonomus Person

01:19

I'm horrible at UI and such (efficiently), but I'm great with SQL and such; I think I could build a few PHP pages that will grab content and then process it.

Like scoring and all.

We could have it all streamlined with a AL (if I'm using this term correctly) where we have a set of instructions that I'll make the methods for and you can call for the UI to get content from a DB or to flag something.

Undo

I am back

hichris123

@Undo Shog plz?

Annonomus Person

Ohh: new idea! For a reviewer we can weigh their score influence by SE reputation network-wide and their work on the project (mods/DyMods are automatically at full power)

@hichris123 Not yet. We need to create something concrete.

We're asking for a lot here.

Undo

@hichris123 I'm not gonna poke him :P

hichris123

Meh, true.

@Undo You want to poke a severed head? :P

Undo

01:23

I wanna wait until we get that spam data. I really wanna see what NLTK can do.

hichris123

@Undo Poke Tim, then. :P

Undo

heh

I... don't really feel like poking anyone right now :P

hichris123

Poke yourself!

Annonomus Person

@Undo @hichris Can either of you find a list of "filler words" like pronouns and articles?

@hichris123 [Poke you!]

@Undo [Poke!]

Undo

@AnnonomusPerson Can you give me another fire-related cool name?

For an NLTK experiment

Annonomus Person

01:26

@Undo I said Dynamite earlier but IDK

Wait nooo not Dynamite

@Undo Yay caps!

:P

@Undo Campfire? Singe? Inferno?

Undo

hmmm

Maybe we can start using some geology/chemistry based names.

Annonomus Person

blaze, bonfire, heat, inferno, campfire, charring, coals, combustion, conflagration, devouring, element, embers, flames, flare, glow, hearth, holocaust, incandescence, luminosity, oxidation, phlogiston, pyre, scintillation, scorching, searing, sparks, tinder, warmth, flame and smoke, hot spot, rapid oxidation, sea of flames, up in smoke

thesaurus.com/browse/fire

Undo

Flare.

Gonna use that.

Annonomus Person

Okay.

3 mins ago, by Annonomus Person

@Undo @hichris Can either of you find a list of "filler words" like pronouns and articles?

Undo

must be one on Wikipedia

why do you need it?

Annonomus Person

01:29

Building Dy-engine

hichris123

@Undo Fix the blaze session timeouts plz?

Undo

@hichris123 session timeouts?

hmmm

hichris123

@Undo Yeah.

Annonomus Person

looks on Wikipedia

hichris123

... why do you have to cite the book @Undo?

Undo

01:33

Because they say to

@hichris123 try now

set it to 12 hours

Annonomus Person

@Undo can't find it on Wikipedia

Undo

I dunno

Annonomus Person

Hmm any idea where to look?

Undo

nope

Annonomus Person

Most common words in English

The list below of most common words in English cannot be definitive. It is based on an analysis of the Oxford English Corpus of over a billion words, and represents one study done by Oxford Online, associated with the Oxford English Dictionary. This source includes writings of all sorts from "literary novels and specialist journals to everyday newspapers and magazines and from Hansard to the language of chatrooms, emails, and weblogs", unlike some sources which use texts from only specific sources. The Reading Teachers Book of Lists claims that the first 25 words make up about one-third ...

englishclub.com/vocabulary/common-words-5000.htm

Hmmm...

englishclub.com/vocabulary/common-words.htm

Ahh....

Dynamite: Some ideas (Plus mod wars D:)

2 hours ago, 1 hour 37 minutes total – 195 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by Annonomus Person

My new project ^

Undo

01:41

:D

Annonomus Person

Gotta go.... bye!

(Almost typed "byte")

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/19887783/…

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/18507351/…

Andy

@AnnonomusPerson pastebin.com/Az5Y65m6

@AnnonomusPerson dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/fulltext-stopwords.html

@AnnonomusPerson ranks.nl/stopwords

hichris123

02:25

Oy @michaelb958.

michaelb958

@hichris123 That was the weirdest chat notification sound ever.

hichris123

sigh stackoverflow.com/users/857004/scottmcgready?tab=activity

@michaelb958 It is?

@ScottMcGready Please don't just fix one thing in a post when editing. Fix everything (grammar, formatting, tags, etc). — hichris123 12 secs ago

michaelb958

@hichris123 Just plain weird.

Blaze

03:01

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/1119841/…

hichris123

Almost to 3k helpful flags. :D

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/9770482/…

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/20508298/…

Blaze

03:27

[Blaze] answer flagged by Seth: stackoverflow.com/questions/17494624/…

Qantas 94 Heavy

11:30

@hichris123: Hiya! what's your current helpful/declined ratio? I'm very close to 3k without using Blaze/Charcoal, just want a comparison between traditional methods and this :)

For me: 2953/340/44 (helpful/disputed/declined) :p

Blaze

12:44

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/2389258/…

Blaze

14:11

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/23061987/…

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/19811468/best-jquery-modal-overlay/…

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/16769997/…

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/23062322/vim-isnt-loading-syntax/…

Undo

16:10

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 6 mins ago, by Bart

/me now imagines @Undo as part of a large circus family

@hichris123 ^ when you get back

@Qantas94Heavy 4588/142/67 for me

Anant

16:48

hi

can i ask one question related to sql injection?

..

Undo

go for it, @Anant

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/20746125/…

Anant

i am confused abt where to sanitize the form post data. I mean i can follow two approaches . I can do this in controller and and i can do this in Model. But if i do it in controller, i can't use bind params in model. because it escapes the quote two times.

Undo

@Anant Are you using PHP?

Anant

i am asking this for perl and postgres

Undo

16:54

ah

I... don't know

Anant

ohh

no problem

Undo

Good luck finding a solution ;)

Anant

ok .. can you suggest me irrespective of any language

thanks

Undo

Ideally, I would put sanitation in the model.

Anant

i mean if my concerned is in term of MVC

ok here the question :)

you said Ideally

so if somehow you used in Controller , can you use bind params or quote function in your model ?

Undo

16:57

I don't know

Anant

ok

thanks

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/18127123/…

Blaze

18:47

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/23065097/…

hichris123

20:06

Oy.

@Undo rofl

@Qantas94Heavy 2982/13/39

@Qantas94Heavy But you have 10k tools, right?

Annonomus Person

20:27

Thanks @Andy!

Andy

You're welcome

Annonomus Person

@hichris Debating if I should sign up for Blaze or not:

- If I make a bad flag, it'll be on the record

- @Undo could get my IP and email (with my name) if he looked (although not much worse than SR) :P

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson Name should just be your SE username.

Annonomus Person

- I could put a bunch of diamonds in it and annoy people with it (ex: Username - @hichris123 @Undo ~Anno!

So it would say:

> ...by @hichris123 @Undo ~Anno!:...

@hichris123 No from my email... although I could use one of the emails I set up to annoy customer support reps by changing my name and email halfway into the call when they are giving me bad service... :P

uhh I mean.... uhhh :P

Yay my desoldering iron came in the mail today!

hichris123

20:51

It's actually very awesome, Jin came up with a great concept that illustrates the nature of the site, I can't wait for everyone to see it (I'm quite fond of it). Don't want to spoil the surprise! — Tim Post ♦ 6 hours ago

cough

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/20489114/…

Annonomus Person

21:50

@hichris123 Idea: a script that automatically fixes errors in posts and makes you verify the changes are good?

- Capitalize all first letters of a sentence (marked by a "." not in quotes or similar)

- Capitalize "i" and "php"/"javascript"/"css"/etc.

- Look for code (this might be hard) and make it code

- Fix sentences like this: "I don't understand .my problem is simple ." (Some people write like this, actually.)

That would cover a good portion of the repetitive tasks and then you could just make a few minor edits and submit.

hichris123

That would be a good idea.

But Undo doesn't want to have API tokens. :(

Annonomus Person

I don't have time... and I'm not good with scripts.

@hichris123 Hmm?

I mean like a browser extention

/Grease Monkey script.

Undo

someone did that

search stackapps

Annonomus Person

Opens new tab

15

Q: SOStacked: Stack Exchange iPhone client

Screenshots About Awesome feature set. Powerful search, beautiful display Pick your favorite and ignored tags Log into your account, track your reputation! See your incoming answers, comments and other messages in your inbox. Stay tuned. Pick your favorite tags to build a custom ques...

app iphone

GRRR DOWNVOTE!!!!!!

hichris123

And this is why jmac's a great mod:

5

Q: Improving the Help Center (take two)

So prior to becoming a mod, I really wanted to update the help center. Unfortunately, we only have access to the on-topic section for free editing by default. We had a brief chit-chat amongst the mods, and had a few thoughts on what we could do to work with the tools we have (including community...

discussion help-center

Annonomus Person

22:00

@Undo Can't find it

Undo

22:27

@hichris123 agreed.

Annonomus Person

Hey @Undo any experience with jQuery and AJAX?

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en">
<head>
    <title>I love SE!</title>
    <script src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.11.0/jquery.min.js" ></script>
</head>

<body>
    <div id="loginbox">
        <form class="form-signin" method="post" spellcheck="false" autocomplete="off" action="script_login.php" >
            <input id="username" type="email" class="form-control" name="username" placeholder="E-mail Address" />
        </form>
    </div>
    <script>
        document.getElementById("username").onchange = (function () {

Undo

yup

Annonomus Person

That code above isn't working right....

Undo

uhmm...

okay...

what's .load(url); supposed to do? :P

Annonomus Person

I've changed the code in the function to alert("I ♥ ♦s!"); and that worked, but the load doesn't.

@Undo api.jquery.com/load

It loads a URL :)

Undo

22:29

Not familiar with such a function :P

so I probably can't help you

Annonomus Person

Okay :)

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/13284986/ccm-aes-from-linux-kernel/…

Annonomus Person

Guess no AJAX in my app :P

Annonomus Person

22:50

Lol worst typo ever...

Annonomus Person

23:01

@Undo I found a few problems with your login system... :/

(Accident :P)

Undo

@AnnonomusPerson Uh-oh, what now?

Annonomus Person

I didn't mean to hit enter :P

But...

Undo

yes?

It's your job to make a decent password :P

Annonomus Person

That ^ :P

Wait... why isn't blaze flagging?

@Undo It was an accident!

:D

Undo

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 6 secs ago, by Undo

status-weird-bug-and-most-certainly-not-by-design

Blaze

23:06

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/23071671/…

hichris123

^ It's working.

@Annon You can't have @'s in the username.

It's @Undo's exec or whatever.

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 It still shows me signed in...

Like I said it was an accident I was going to send you the screenshot for a joke and then... the enter key happened.

hichris123

@AnnonomusPerson It's only a problem when you flag it.

Annonomus Person

Hmm... why can't I change my password? :D

hichris123

github.com/Charcoal-SE/Blaze/blob/master/posttochat.php#L25

Annonomus Person

23:08

Or username?

hichris123

^ That doesn't like you.

Undo

@AnnonomusPerson because the code isn't there to do it :P

Annonomus Person

@hichris123 :( Feels excluded

@Undo Duh! :P

@Undo can you delete my user then? (On Blaze?)

Undo

opens database

@AnnonomusPerson whooosh

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/18476308/…

Qantas 94 Heavy

23:25

@hichris123: absolutely no 10k tools, though I have way too many disputed for some reason

I looked through them and half were deleted with -5 score regardless (back in the days of one looks good clearing the queue)

@Undo: wait, Blaze is open to other users?

Undo

@Qantas94Heavy yup

erwaysoftware.com/blaze

Blaze

[Blaze] answer flagged by Undo: stackoverflow.com/questions/17797479/…

Annonomus Person

@Undo Thanks!

Plays around with it still logged in :P

Nothing happens: logs out.

Blaze

23:47

[Blaze] answer flagged by hichris123: stackoverflow.com/questions/23050188/cant-make-menuconfig/…

Qantas 94 Heavy

@Undo: the only question is, should I trust you with my details? :P

Annonomus Person

@Qantas94Heavy He technically already has access to it.... but I'm not signing up either (except for a one-lettered passoword) :P

He's a SR ♦

Dynamite: Some ideas (Plus mod wars D:)

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