Home Improvement

maple_shaft

12:17

Fuckkkk.... some of the three prong outlets in my house that I am selling don't have a ground.... Home inspector shows up tomorrow with the buyers.... FML

BMitch

You didn't hear it from me, but a link from neutral to ground will pass a simple outlet tester, and home inspectors won't open an outlet to see anything like that

Tester101

@maple_shaft Install GFCI receptacles, and apply the "No Equipment Ground" sticker.

maple_shaft

@Bmitch @Tester101 Which is the better option?

My father in law is coming over tonight to help me with it, 8 outlets or so are like this

BMitch

@maple_shaft Tester has the proper fix, mine is incorrect but cheap

maple_shaft

Money is not a primary concern, just safety

@BMitch I have heard of doing this, but read where others have said this is incredibly dangerous

BMitch

12:25

Most of the time, you'd never notice. But if you have a broken neutral, or a better path to ground outside of the device, it could electrocute you. That said, I've grown up in a house with this wiring and survived.

Tester101

@maple_shaft You could use @BMitch's solution for a temporary fix, just to pass the inspectors tests. However, this is dishonest.

If you do it. Don't leave it like that.

maple_shaft

@Tester101 These people made an offer contingent on home inspection, FHA loan. My primary concern is safety and them getting an FHA mortgage. My secondary concern is never having to touch it again. I will go with installing GFCI.

Can I get away with installing one on a common circuit?

fucking late 50's garbage house and unshielded two wire romex

can't wait to get out from under this thing

BMitch

I grew up in an early 50's tank, brick all over, including many interior walls, and a foundation that mirrored the floor plan above (with small doors in the crawl space below that lined up with the doors above). Slate roof. And the same 2 wire electrical, no ground.

Tester101

@maple_shaft Um... If you feed all the other receptacles off the GFCI, you might get away with it. You may have to label all the receptacles with "No Equipment Ground", but I'm not sure. I'll try to look it up later, as I've never dealt with this situation.

maple_shaft

@Tester101 Might as well go with the overkill option if it works.

Tester101

12:35

@maple_shaft OK. If the other receptacles are fed from the Load side of the GFCI, they all have to be labeled "GFCI Protected" and "No Equipment Ground".

maple_shaft

@Tester101 I have a couple GFI outlets in my tool box, do home improvement stores sell the labels seperately?

BMitch

They always have a bunch of labels in the GFCI box that I'm sure most people never use. I just threw one away the other day.

You could probably pass code by writing it on the faceplate or putting a handwritten label on it.

Tester101

@maple_shaft There should be labels in the GFCI packaging.

For reference: NEC 2008 406.3 (D)(3)(b) and (c)

BMitch

You could "inspect" a GFCI box or two at your local HI store, odds of anyone missing that label from the box are slim.

Tester101

NEC 2008 406.3 (D)(3)(a) says: A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with another non–grounding-type receptacle(s).

maple_shaft

12:44

@Tester101 Great, now my real estate agent told me not to do any repairs until after the inspection, because they may take it as is.

Tester101

So if you can find some 2 prong outlets, you can just install them.

maple_shaft

think thats bull, they won't give an FHA loan if it does not pass code

Tester101

@maple_shaft If I was a bank, I wouldn't give loans on any house that doesn't meet code.

maple_shaft

@Tester101 I wish I didn't throw those old ones away

wtf was i thinking

Tester101

@BMitch You're all about breaking the "rules" today.

BMitch

12:55

@Tester101 I only break the rules that don't matter to me.

The reason I personally wouldn't do the "no equipment ground" label is because inspectors see something like that and they look at everything else more carefully. If they plug a tester into a normal outlet and it lights up correctly, they move on and assume other things are ok.

maple_shaft

@BMitch thats a good point

BMitch

Looking at a place recently, the inspector looked at a couple of windows, but only start opening each one and checking tilt-out mechanisms when one was found faulty. So if there's a sticker saying "something unusual done here" they're going to start checking all the electrical.

maple_shaft

@BMitch maybe thats what I should do then

connect ground to neutral for the inspection, then swap out those outlets with proper GFCI afterwards

BMitch

Of course, I disavow all knowledge of this.

maple_shaft

@BMitch our little secret ;-)

wax eagle

13:08

@maple_shaft you might wait, if the inspection turns things up you can just fix them and then they can have it reinspected

Tester101

@BMitch If my inspector didn't test every outlet, I'd hire a new inspector.

wax eagle

but that sort of depends on how much they want/need the house

BMitch

@waxeagle Usually when problems are found, they expect them to be fixed and the fix documented for the closing (typically a receipt from a contractor). Those fixes are verified by the homeowner during walk through.

maple_shaft

@waxeagle These buyers seem nervous and flighty. I would rather the inspection uncover nothing that unsettles them in the slightest

wax eagle

@BMitch right, that's my experience as well (although frustratingly none of the fixes I asked for actually got done :()

BMitch

13:11

@Tester101 I had a real thorough one that only checked in bathrooms/kitchen for GFCI, and otherwise I believe he only did a spot check.

wax eagle

@maple_shaft the inspection is going to uncover something

maple_shaft

@waxeagle I know... but electrical issues make people nervous

peeling paint? not so much

wax eagle

@maple_shaft very true

Tester101

Is it PUT time?

A few unfamiliar faces popping in.

wax eagle

@Tester101 like 30 something hours too early for PUT

maple_shaft

13:18

@Tester101 So what does it mean if their is a ground wire, but it is wrapped around the metal receptacle box, but is only showing a reading of 6 on my voltimeter?

Most of the bad ones are completely dead, this one shows 6

Tester101

6 what? volts?

maple_shaft

yes

Tester101

What are you measuring to?

maple_shaft

AC 200

BMitch

From hot to ground, or from ground to a better ground?

maple_shaft

13:20

hot to ground

neutral to ground shows about 2

BMitch

Then it's a short on the ground

you can't use that either

Tester101

6 volts from hot to ground, probably means your ground is not grounded.

maple_shaft

What could cause that?

BMitch

moisture in wood that's in contract with the metal box maybe

Maybe there's a spider behind the wall doing the 60Hz shuffle.

wax eagle

@BMitch lol. (So if I'm interpreting correctly it's making a circuit with something but there is a ton of resistance?)

Tester101

13:23

Remember. Voltage is the electrical potential difference.

Could be induced (phantom) voltage.

BMitch

I don't think the spider was resisting much :)

maple_shaft

Fucking ungrounded outlets... why just this 8? Its like they wrapped a ground wire around teh box and forgot to run a ground parallel with the two wire romex to the upper floor.

The wire from the basement has a proper ground in it

Tester101

Electrical wires create a magnetic field, if other wires run in close proximity to the ungrounded conductor a voltage can be induced on the other wire.

maple_shaft

@Tester101 Thats why neutral to ground gives me a few volts as well

wax eagle

@Tester101 right, this is the concept that runs electric motors and electro magnets :)

Tester101

13:27

@waxeagle And transformers.

Chris Cudmore

@Tester101 More than meets the eye!

wax eagle

@Tester101 is that how they do that?

didn't know that

Tester101

maple_shaft

@waxeagle I first had that moment of clarity when I got a forever flashlight

Tester101

maple_shaft

13:29

There is a magnet inside that when you shake it, it runs up and down through tightly wrapped copper coils. This generates a phantom current that runs the LED

Tester101

Not sure how these transformers work.

wax eagle

@maple_shaft sad thing is that I'm sure my college physics covered this, but then again they covered gobs of information that I barely retained

Chris Cudmore

A Transformer is two differently wound coils, side by side. AC induces a magnetic field, which induces the current in the second coil.

By playing with the number of coils, you can adjust voltage -- Kind of like gears.

maple_shaft

@waxeagle Power plants work the same way

Tester101

@ChrisCudmore it also occurs in straight lengths of wire, just not as well.

maple_shaft

13:30

burn coal, create steam, steam turns turbines, turbines and stationary magnets generate current

Chris Cudmore

@Tester101 Which is why network cables are twisted, Trying to reduce this inductive current.

wax eagle

@ChrisCudmore this was the piece I was missing. We did induced current in labs and I remember dealing with electric and magnetic fields and either magnetism or current being induced

Chris Cudmore

Also why your 80-pin IDE cable exists. They run a ground between each of the 40 active wires to suck up the cross talk. Still only a 40 conductor drive, but there's extra grounding.

This is 1840's stuff. Google Faraday.

Basically, a magnetic flux (Changing magnetic field) will induce an electric current in a conductor.

Tester101

@ChrisCudmore Isn't that the guy from Lost?

Chris Cudmore

It helps if you view electricity and magnetism as different 2D projections of the same 3D wave. (This is one of those things that is totally incorrect, but aids understanding)

Never seen lost.

Tester101

13:35

Daniel Faraday.

Chris Cudmore

Michael Faraday was one of the early pioneers of the science of Electricity. He was also quite the showman, with his portable experiments that he'd demonstrate at cocktail parties.

Pissed off a lot of the royal academy because he was a commoner. As we all know, only the nobility should be dabbling in higher learning.

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 Magic

Tester101

David Blaine can thank Faraday for his work, which allowed him to pull off this stunt

youtube.com/ultrabookexperience

Chris Cudmore

I wish he'd stick to magic. His stunts don't interest me at all.

Tester101

@ChrisCudmore But it's a Million volts!

BMitch

13:49

I thought it would have been cool if he took off his hat at the end to take a bow. ZAP!

Chris Cudmore

I've always found the American fascination with numbers hilarious.

Washington monument: You're ascending at 123 ft/minute to an altitude of. xxx.

Everytime I get in an elevator, there's a Smokey the Bear telling me how fast I'm going.

But, funnily enough, you don't seem to care about population. Just elevation.

Tester101

WOW 123ft/minute, that's FAST!

Chris Cudmore

I walk faster than that.

But to Smokey The Bear. It's an Important Statistic™

Tester101

@ChrisCudmore My grandmother walks faster than that.

Chris Cudmore

The whole Washington Monument elevator spiel is hilarious. Built in ..... with eleventy billion bricks, the largest being 17.8 tonnes.... Just a lot of numbers.

Tester101

14:05

Wait... Why is Smokey the Bear at the Washington Monument? Shouldn't he be in Yellowstone or something?

BMitch

To be fair, the monument elevator is slow because it's part of the tour. They're showing off various carved blocks and describing where each one came from. You used to be able to climb the stairs, but tourist were taking small pieces of the monument with them, so now we enclose them in a glass box and let them press their noses against the side.

@ChrisCudmore We don't talk about population because it leads to talk of over population, which leads to population control, and because many minorities are increasing population rather quick these days, that's a taboo topic.

Chris Cudmore

In most of the world, outside a city there is a sign: Toronto, Pop. 2 600 000

In the states, its: Denver, Elev. 5280 ft

Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just different.

Tester101

@ChrisCudmore We haven't figured out a good way to count people yet, they won't stand still long enough for us to count.

We tried lining them all up, but people kept sneaking ahead to try to get to the front of the line.

wax eagle

14:26

@ChrisCudmore it's their claim to fame "mile high city." most other cities have something about population or sister cities or something (chattanooga usually lists it's sister cities)

Tester101

14:38

@BMitch @chrisf Any way to split a question into two or more questions?

ChrisF

@Tester101 Not without asking them yourself.

BMitch

I think we just have to ask the person making the question to split it (delete half of the old and open a new one).

ChrisF

Just leave a comment asking the OP to do it

BMitch

I'm guessing this is in regards to the dishwasher air gap and timer switch

Tester101

@BMitch Correct.

Unless the timer controls the air gap.

ChrisF

14:41

Yeah I should have commented on that this morning. Sorry

BMitch

I thought the timer switch wasn't a good question on its own, we don't know what the switch controls, just like we don't know what every light switch in the house controls.

It should probably be deleted from the question

And then the air gap can be merged as an exact duplicate

Tester101

@BMitch Perfect.

BMitch

Dup question: diy.stackexchange.com/questions/15102/…

The Evil Greebo

14:54

Dup with what

BMitch

@TheEvilGreebo With this one from today: diy.stackexchange.com/questions/18800/…

The Evil Greebo

only a dup on half tho :/

agree, should be split

We spent money last night

americanstandard-us.com/air-baths/…

ordered a 5'x3' soaker tub for the bath renovations coming up

tonight we're going tile shopping

while i love the extra deep tub concept i hate that you have to spend $140 (min) to get the only drain assembly that will fit it

Tester101

15:16

@TheEvilGreebo Don't forget pictures!

The Evil Greebo

Will try

taking off the last wk october to do the bulk of the work

Tester101

Great, can't wait to read about it on the Blog in November.

The Evil Greebo

You'll be waiting ;)

Aaron

so speaking pedantically, how do you know where the ground and neutral coming out of a box are actually connected together?

BMitch

48 mins ago, by BMitch

It should probably be deleted from the question

The Evil Greebo

15:32

i hate doing that w/o another question there tho

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Q: Should I be concerned about my house settling?

I bought my home about a year ago (September 2011). It's a split-level ranch built in the mid-70s. I have a couple of spots, especially on a wall going perpindicular through the center of the house (basically from the front door to the back of the house) that has a lot of drywall nails starting...

i wonder if someone removed a support column under the load wall?

JNK

@TheEvilGreebo may be easier to discuss here :)

The Evil Greebo

ayup

Tester101

@Aaron What do you mean? Are you trying to figure out how to find where they are connected?

@Aaron The answer should be "at the service panel".

JNK

so it's a 2 story wall

The Evil Greebo

so all the cracking/popping is happening near this wall?

JNK

15:41

not all

the doorways with the crack and the sticking are actually on opposite sides of the house

the crack is in the center though

The Evil Greebo

oh

JNK

and the popping

The Evil Greebo

"the crack is in the center" - center of the door?

JNK

of the house

sorry

OK let me restart

The Evil Greebo

is this crack wider towards the top of hte house or towards the bottom?

JNK

15:42

its not very tall

it starts above a doorway on the second story

and goes up to what I think is a drywall joint in the ceiling

It protrudes slightly so it looks more like the edges of the drywall sheets are pushing together

and that is above a doorway right at the centerline of the house

The Evil Greebo

any issues with that doorway?

JNK

nope

its a pantry so I use it a lot

and no issues inside the pantry

The Evil Greebo

is the gap between the door and the frame of that door consistent?

JNK

that I don't know

The Evil Greebo

check that

JNK

15:45

ok

The Evil Greebo

i dont care if left is wider than right , i care if top of left is wider than bottom of left

or such like that

also do you have a square and a level?

Tester101

@JNK Any heavy rains, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, land slides, etc. recently?

The Evil Greebo

or droughts

JNK

both drought most of the summer and heavy rains the past few weeks

The Evil Greebo

hmm

JNK

15:46

i have a square and a level

Tester101

Is the house on a hill. Did this start recently?

JNK

I have a nice long 36" level to check it with

the house is at the top of a hill

and there is a slight rise front to back

The Evil Greebo

well It hink tester and I are thinking same thing

JNK

Earth in the back of hte house is probably about 3' taller than front

The Evil Greebo

a long drought would dry out the soil under your foundation

allowing shifting

JNK

15:47

ok

The Evil Greebo

flooding/rains could reshape the hill, also allowing shifting

in which case either could cause new settling

JNK

these nail pops existed before

so did the crack above the pantry

Tester101

Does the cracking run parallel to the hill?

The Evil Greebo

those dont worry me so much - i hate drywall nails, they work themselves out over time

JNK

but it looks like they were getting worse

The Evil Greebo

15:47

thermal expansion/contraction

JNK

but i can't tell if its because I check it obsessively or not

@Tester101 define parallel

The Evil Greebo

stop observing it, it'll go away

;)

JNK

The hill runs from front to back and the crack is in the same plane (front to back)

so basically I am paranoid?

Tester101

if up and down the hill are North, South. Does the crack run East, West?

JNK

no it runs north/south too

The Evil Greebo

15:49

@JNK No, that was a joke. I'm a smartass.

JNK

there is a slighter rise east/west too

Probably 3' from side of the house to the front door

The Evil Greebo

The nails are easy - pull em, replace with drywall screws, mud, repaint

JNK

then it's level

@TheEvilGreebo yeah that was my plan, once we repaint this room

The Evil Greebo

the cracks do worry me

they're relatively new right?

JNK

been in since I moved in

but I feel like they got worse

the nails I am positive are popping out more visibly

Aaron

15:51

@Tester101 I know it should be at the service panel, but how do you determine if theyr're connected anywhere else?

cause that's bad, right?

Tester101

@jnk So the east side of your house is lower than the west

But the west is level?

JNK

as far as the surrounding land goes, yes

the garage is at the east side

so it's cleared off over there

should I make a diagram?

The Evil Greebo

I like GdD's answer for now

monitor more precisely

your "feeling" like their bigger is subjective

Tester101

How steep is the hill? Have you noticed any signs of erosion (mud slides, splits in the ground, etc.?

Best bet would be to call out a structural engineer. It's hard to diagnose stuff like this through the internet.

JNK

@Tester101 North to south the hill in FRONT of the house is pretty steep (I have a high grade on the driveway). Otherwise it's not really that steep. From the lowest part in the southeast to the highest in the NW of the house (right next to the foundation) is like 6' probably

Tester101

15:55

@Aaron Disconnect the wires at the service panel, and test continuity.

@jnk 6' over what distance?

JNK

whole length of the house, I haven't measured but 50' at least. House is 2k SqFt with a garage

Tester101

@Aaron Don't forget to shut off the breaker before disconnecting the wires.

JNK

I'm bad at guessing long distances

Tester101

@JNK Any cracking, bowing, twisting, etc. of the foundation wall (best visible from inside the basement).

JNK

@Tester101 Basement is finished in half the house, the other half is in the garage and there are no visible issues there or from the outside

Tester101

16:03

What type of flooring in the finished part of the basement?

JNK

Carpet

I have tile in the laundry down there though

another area has stone

I can see the concrete in a closet and a crawlspace under the steps and it looks fine there

The Evil Greebo

You might take your 3' level around the ceiling in the center of the house and just see if you find any hills or valleys - difficult to do if you have texture tho

JNK

it's not textured, all flat paint

The Evil Greebo

and also on any walls and flooring that is fairly flat

JNK

floor upstairs is all hardwood except kitchen which is tile

The Evil Greebo

16:05

otoh that may just depress you

JNK

it probably won't

The Evil Greebo

if i went around this house with a level I'd conclude that the world did not conform to euclidean geometry after all

JNK

I lived in some real crappy old houses before so even if its worse than I think it's better than the other places I lived

Tester101

@JNK Is the problem worse on the first floor, or the second?

JNK

@Tester101 I only have one spot on the first floor that I have seen any issue, and that is just the drywall joint above the steps

when you are standing on the landing on the first floor directly below where you come up on the second, there is a crack in the same N-S direction between two sheets of drywall in the ceiling

Chris Cudmore

16:08

@TheEvilGreebo Euclidean geometry only exists in concept. There is no such thing as a right angle or parallel line in any constructed object. Which is why the 45 degree stop on your mitre saw always results in a gap in your baseboard.

Tester101

You mentioned remodeling the kitchen, are any of the kitchen walls "under" the problem area? Specifically, are there any large openings in the kitchen walls that may not have been there before the remodel (extra wide doorways, large window like openings, etc.)?

JNK

@Tester101 Nope, it's just got two doorways of a regular size and the kitchen is upstairs. The Kitchen is CLOSE to the affected area though, since its the first thing at the top of those stairs.

Tester101

You need to have somebody come out and look, or a very detailed model of the house and surrounding area (including a detailed description of the damage, and the damage location).

JNK

I can probably make a model

Money is an issue so I'd rather not hire someone yet

This is SW Connecticut so nobody comes to your house for less than $200 for pretty much anything

Tester101

Have you tried contacting any local contractors? One might come out for a free estimate.

lsiunsuex

16:23

when we bought our house, the town clerk had a list of insured / certified contractors - ask yours

was basically a directory with contractor name and phone #'s

JNK

OK I might do that then

I don't want to freak out my wife either so I haven't mentioned it to her

My Father in law knows a lot about construction (he's a licensed electrician and has worked on a lot of projects) and didn't seem concerned when he came to the house

Tester101

16:41

@JNK Forgot an important question... What year was the house built?

The Evil Greebo

mid 70s

its in the q

Tester101

@TheEvilGreebo I don't read question bodies, only titles.

lsiunsuex

wonder if a fluke network tone generator is strong enough to find the signal through a plaster wall

using the pig tails, i want to clip on to 120volt power line (the line is dead) and use the wand to see if the power line comes from the basement or the attic

Tester101

@lsiunsuex What's the model number?

lsiunsuex

intellitone pro 200 toner

Aaron

16:54

man, #$%#$ toilets

now the fill vavle on the upstairs one is having issues

lsiunsuex

i mean, obviously the tone generator is for finding cat3 / 5 / coax but i have had varying success finding lines through the walls

/me feels @Aaron 's pain - have had shitty problems lately as well

The Evil Greebo

our upstairs toilet rains in the kitchen when you flush

been leaking quite a while apparently - sub floor really deteriorated - hence the upcoming reno

lsiunsuex

Demo Party at @TheEvilGreebo house!!!!!

i'll bring the plasma cutter

The Evil Greebo

@lsiunsuex You bring it you ain't getting it backc

Tester101

@lsiunsuex I used to have a cheap-o wire tracer that worked very well. Detects unshielded cable up to 12".

I'll bring the sledgehammer.

lsiunsuex

17:02

i mean, i'm pretty sure it comes from the attic - as we've been gutting the bed rooms, we lost the upstairs hallway lights - and obviously its on a 2 way switch where one of the switches is on the first floor. obviously we want to get it working again. and as all the old electrical i've disconnected appears to originate in the attic in a shit ton of junction boxes, i'm sure it comes from there

JNK

17:15

@Tester101 1977

Tester101

17:25

Apparently people really don't like it when you ask multiple unrelated questions, in a single Question.

Damn. @BMitch Swoops in for the kill.

BMitch

@Tester101: ok "Hire an electrician, or you may kill yourself" :) That comment was mostly a joke.

@Tester101 Boom, head shot.

Tester101

Is there any way to search answers based on character count?

is:answer ???

BMitch

I think I've come close to the character limit when my answer was "that object is X" to the question "what is this".

Q: "Or what's the best tool to do X". A: "C4"

C4 is always the right answer, for some definitions of "best"

Tester101

@BMitch But a good answer would be "that object is X, and this is what it does/is for/why it's used."

BMitch

So you're saying C4 isn't a good answer? I'd like to challenge your answer to a dual with C4.

Tester101

17:34

A good answer would describe why C4 is a good answer, and maybe how to use C4.

I think a larger character limit would decrease "me too", and "should be a comment" type answers. If folks have to put in a bit more work, they might be less likely to post "not so helpful" answers.

lsiunsuex

today on fox news: chat room discussions used for homicidal maniacs confessions of C4 use in residential applications.

BMitch

I don't disagree, I'm just being argumentative.

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch C$ is always a good answer

c4 even

Sign in front of a Florida funeral home

BMitch

@TheEvilGreebo As long as you don't mixup c4 with c#, we're alright.

The Evil Greebo

@BMitch Why, would that be a problem? ;)

BMitch

17:39

@TheEvilGreebo c# is a problem, no one has found a solution.

The Evil Greebo

-1 !

BMitch

/afk men in dark suits at the door

The Evil Greebo

i like c#. its every so much nicer than vb

@BMitch what question was that?

Tester101

0

Q: Are 30 characters really enough to answer a question?

On some Stack Exchange sites, 30 characters might be enough to effectively answer a question. Is this same limit suitable for a topic like Home Improvement? Would it even be possible to increase the number of required characters, on a site-by-site basis? Are there any good answers in the system...

discussion

The Evil Greebo

"Hire an electrician, or die!!!" - 30 characters and says why

lsiunsuex

17:45

no, it should be lower - "use a hammer" - 12 characters and could fit many questions

The Evil Greebo

@lsiunsuex Screwdriver!

Tester101

@TheEvilGreebo Who/what will do the killing?

The Evil Greebo

@Tester101 That's how. Nobody cares about that.

Urologists are such hypocrites. He touches my junk on every visit, but I run my fingers through his hair ONE TIME and all of a sudden I'M the bad guy??

3

Niall C.

18:09

@bmitch You should probably handle the NAA flag I just raised.

BMitch

@NiallC. It's a pretty bad answer, but it was in reference to David's question/bounty that asked how to fix it without replacing the toilet. Deleted.

Niall C.

@BMitch The @david bit threw me

BMitch

Yeah, I said @David because it wasn't a good answer for the OP

A little irony:

lsiunsuex

sometimes (like right now) i put my earbuds in but forget to turn on music. so i sit here with earbuds in my ears, working but not actually listening to anything

Tester101

@lsiunsuex I do that, so people will leave me alone.

lsiunsuex

18:20

they dont seem to care if their in or not - they bother me with stupid questions either way

"is the website down? " - "I'm the god damn systems admin and programmer for the website. I'm the only one with dev access to it and I'm the only one that works on it. I get texted and emailed if it goes down and i'm on the website ALL day. Do you think its fucking down and i just didnt feel like telling you? "

Aaron

point them to downforeveryoneorjustme.com

lsiunsuex

i do

so did redbull phycopath dude make the jump yet or no ?

BMitch

18:37

@lsiunsuex Appears to be rescheduled for Sunday redbullstratos.com/live

There's also the twitter feed: twitter.com/RedBullStratos

lsiunsuex

nice website / video

f'ing nuts.

BMitch

19:02

@lsiunsuex That's why you've got them :)

Matthew PK

21:34

Seems like Ebay is the cheapest place to get LED recessed lights

ebay.com/itm/…

considering I need 42, total, this is the lowest I've found them

by a dollar each

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