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@Aaron Sorry for all the questions on this answer.
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A: How to connect multiple light fixtures to one switch?

AaronBasically, you want to start with a switch. You run a black and white wire in from the bottom of the switch box (from the panel). This will take the form of 12/2 or 14/2 cable. You run another 12/2 or 14/2 cable from the top of the switch box to the first light. You connect the black wire to t...

 
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12:57
stupid lowes web site is always under maintenance... worthless
anyways, if you have two circuits going through the jbox, just shut one off and use a voltage detector ( amazon.com/Fluke-1AC-A1-II-Volt-Alert-Non-Contact-Voltage/dp/… ) on both wires
alternatively, you could flip one of the breakers, put a load on the still-live circuit and use a clamp-on amp meter on the wires
13:33
indeed I was correct
The receptacle in the attic is controlled by the switch in the master closet
what kind of morons wired this place
14:03
is the attic access in the master closet? they probably figured you'd plug a light into the receptacle
if the access door is in the closet, that is
anyways... bench building time
no, the access door is in the hallway, and the receptacle is right next to the gable vent area
@Aaron Does the switch control anything else?
Maybe!
Like a light in the closet or something?
there's just a single 14/2 going into the switch box, so I pulled off the ceiling fixture and there's 4 different cables in there
Oh yes, sorry, I thought I said that
Yes, it controls that light (primarily...)
so I guess the hot for the attic receptacle was just wired to the switched hot of this light fixture vs the always-hot that is entering the light fixture box
14:19
So maybe when they were looking for a splice point the light was on, so they thought they could use it.
I prefer to blame morons
And then thought "Why the hell does this outlet only work sometimes?"
14:30
i'm such a badass
ordered a mosquito fogger 5 days ago
just got a notice on my door today that mosquitoes in the area tested positive for west nile virus
me: sitting on the catbird's seat
 
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18:31
Have you guys seen this? techcrunch.com/2012/06/28/…
Hometalk launched in March 2011 and just relaunched as a sort of Pinterest/Quora/Tool Time for the home-owning set. Aimed at making asking questions about drain traps a bit easier to answer, the site currently has 100,000 users asking hundreds of questions daily which isn’t bad for a niche site.
18:48
huh.
18:58
Welcome to Project Update Thursday
SUP PEOPLE
not much, drinking a bud, watchin the game, wassup wit you?
niiiice
i'm trying to wrap up some stuff
bubble wrapping the coworker's desk again?
rofl
actually no
just trying to finish off a few things
i should ask something on DIY, too
before I forget
19:09
nice. While you're trying not to forget, does anyone else mentally read @Aarthi as Atari?
probably?
not afaik.
i get Arthur more often, tbh.
which, in and of itself, has its pluses and minuses
I keep seeing Atari Deviant, which makes you a bad gamer, lol
rofl
i can accept this
hi there @djmadscribbler!
19:18
Feel free to jump right in @djmadscribbler, we're just passing the chat with some idle banter until someone feels like talking about DIY stuff
Did I mention last time that I got rid of my old 32" tube tv? It went to a good cause and not to a landfill.
yay! where did it go?
hmm, what was I going to take a picture of?
oh the panel
My brother's assistant, apparently she had a B&W tv without a power switch
so this was an upgrade
ok, my only DIY'ing this week was to kill some weeds and put down some new termite bait stakes
those are important!
@BMitch Weed killing! that belongs on Gardening
19:24
i finished the small upgrades to my place. the door looks amazing. And all that's left is a huge amount of dishes
You can call me Chemical B
@BMitch :D
@Tester101 good job, you summoned a GL mod
lkslakjdsl IDEA
IDEAAAA
Hey @waxeagle the GL contest thing
@Aarthi yes, I'll try to get ahold of yoda this evening
19:27
@Aarthi Doing the dishes, that belongs in parenting.stackexchange.com :)
@Aarthi When are we going to have a contest </whining>
@waxeagle make sure you submit to the community promotions thing, here
@Tester101 SOON!
And i mean it this time.
@Aaron I've seen much worse.
19:28
There are several wire nuts IN the panel
I was about to say it looks pretty nice to me
what's wrong with wire nuts IN the panel? It's just a big junction box.
There are a couple of nuts here too
Better than double-tapping a breaker.
@JayBazuzi You mean I can't put a wire on each side of the lug?
19:31
@Tester101: that's why the lug is so wide. :-)
My old house had a double-tapped 30A breaker with 14ga wire in it. Because 15A+15A=30A, right?
Speaking of panels... The other day I was trying to get my clamp on ammeter on a wire in the panel, there was a snap and a spark, and I almost $hit my pants.
@JayBazuzi Sounds good to me.
@Tester101 are you an electrician by trade?
Turns out, whoever installed this circuit nicked the wire when stripping it. When I move it, the wire snapped, and scared the crap out of me.
oh hey @JayBazuzi I think this might be the first time we've met in real time? Not sure, but it's always nice to see you around the site. :)
@BMitch Nope. by blood.
19:36
I think we all need to plan a field trip out to @JayBazuzi's yurt
@BMitch Would have been 3rd generation, but I decided I wanted to sit on my lazy butt for a living instead.
we can help raise the roof while there
sitting on your butt is underrated, it's a wonderful thing to sit on.
@Tester101 working with electric-powered things rather than electricity itself? :P
@BMitch i concur.
trying to wrench out some of this old wire has a tendency to snap the copper too, causing more issues when it snaps at the back of the box
Hi @Aarthi
@BMitch: Yes, a field trip!
Bring tents, we have no guest rooms.
You can see my many subpanels.
And the pile of sawdust. It was 45 yards once, although a bit smaller now.
19:41
@JayBazuzi heck, I'll bring a backpack, got my tent, sleeping bag, stove, and toilet ready to go :)
One neighbor has a mini-eco-mansion. SIP walls, active solar heat storage both under the floor and in the hillside, PV, etc., etc.
that's amazing.
Another neighbor lives in an old, short schoolbus.
my neighbors live in townhouses, the new neighbors moving in live in townhouses :-/
Wasn't there a movie about a guy who lived in a short school bus?
19:44
This guy is working on an upgrade. He bought a 40' office trailer.
@Tester101 was it Shortbus ?
It was cheap because the propane AC units caught fire and burned out one room.
(sorry guys, I gotta peace out. hugs everyone Adios!)
we just decided last week it is time to start looking for a new house. so my projects are now things like completing trim, paint touch-ups..
anyone have experience with subdivision builders? the two we looked at here (Caraco and Tamarack) both charge like crazy for some upgrades. Caraco charges $15/sqft for hardwood instead of carpet..
@gregmac fun, we just bought, back in February
19:45
@JohnCameronMitchell here?
We want you to make more movies.
I've heard incidentally with Tamarack that it is ~$2-3k CHEAPER to have them install their default countertops, and then replace them with granite on your own later. Read some stuff about a guy that did that the day after closing..
at that point, you may as well ask for a discount on an unfinished home
Seems so ridiculously wasteful..
We're being rickrolled here in the yurt.
Well, they won't close without countertops or finished floors etc. I am assuming they won't just build it to drywall and let you take over from there. :)
19:48
Your yurt never wants to give you up? Doesn't want to let you down?
It was coming out of my kid's speakers, but with no walls, everyone benefits.
@gregmac donate things you take out to a Re-Store and get tax write off?
I wonder if you could get a construction loan to purchase a partially complete home
@waxeagle yeah I definitely would do that, but still..
@gregmac yeah seems like a PITA
19:50
@BMitch dunno. I think I may investigate a custom build, but that is also quite the endeavour..
I plan to go buy the lumber for my little building today.
at least with this subdivision builds, you basically sign a contract, and then 8 months later you have a finished house (in between you pick some finishes and make a couple payments)
Not sure if I should pick out the wood myself in to my truck, or have them deliver.
Into the Wild. Can't remember if it was a short bus though.
Sad film.
Never bought more than a few sticks at a time before.
19:52
custom is great because then I could do a bunch of work myself, and not waste money on things I'm going to just rip out... but downside is I have to be way more hands-on in a project management sort of way.
@JayBazuzi people that like the outdoors (me) think it's sad, people that spend too much time with their day job (gf) see it as liberating.
I read that the antidote was easily available in local wild plants, but he didn't know.
@JayBazuzi I'd ask wherever you're buying from. Some places charge if an order is too small.
@gregmac You'd still get someone to oversee the project, I'm sure it's still a lot of work
There are 3 possible suppliers nearby. My neighbor suggests looking over their stock to see who has good wood right now.
19:55
The subdivision builds next to me have every corner cut that they can, lots of cheap stuff in the walls where you can't see it
Lipstick on a pig
"Hey, that's a good-looking pig!"
Custom builds have you watching and insisting on fixing all those issues
I build slowly because I spend most of my thinking, planning, learning, etc.
I'm still trying to decide about rafter units built on the deck vs. rafters placed on the roof.
The answers I got seem to like build-in-place, so I guess I should do that.
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Q: Should I pre-build rafter units, or build them in-place?

Jay BazuziI'm planning a small roof - 12' x 16', gable style. Almost all the rafters will identical. Should I build rafter units ahead of time? 2 rafters + a ceiling joist + plywood gussets. I'd make a simple jig on the deck (before the walls are built) to assemble a rafter unit. Like pre-built trusses bu...

@JayBazuzi It might be easier to pre-build them, but only if you have help lifting them in place.
Maybe a really long ramp, you can slide them up.
There are 2 of us working together most of the time.
20:04
@BMitch yeah I've seen that for sure. At least I know what to look for. There's a walk-through after framing, and from what I've seen of the model homes and a friend's, Tamarack mostly does okay with them.
It seems like you're saying that it will be very hard to lift the rafter units in to place.
But I keep thinking they won't be too heavy, since the building is only 12' wide.
@JayBazuzi Some pulleys, rope, and good rigging can be a huge help as well.
seems like a good excuse to rent some fun big machinery
There is a guy in town with a small crane, costs $100 minimum.
@JayBazuzi It's true you're working on a smaller scale than a house, but you might still find they are too heavy and awkward to maneuver into place.
Why not try it? if it's too hard to lift them into position, just build them in place.
20:09
@Tester101: yeah, maybe that.
I'm used to software where you can try something, and it costs almost nothing to throw it away and try again. :-)
how important is a ridge beam?
svn revert roof.*
As far as I can tell, normal practice is to use a ridge beam 1 size wider than the rafters, so the rafters can fully bear on it the beam. That makes for a pretty heavy stick.
@JayBazuzi My garage (not built by me) has a 1x6 as the ridge beam, and 2x4 rafters. Not saying I'd want to walk around on it, but it's held up for however long it's been there (10-30 years?)
20:27
@JayBazuzi The ridge beam is important and the second thing to go up if you build it in pieces
The first thing to go up are the joists
With the ridge beam up there, you place the rafters going from the ridge beam to edge (typically to the top plate of the wall below if memory serves me, but now it's to the point I should pull out my framing book)
Doesn't seem like a ridge beam is really that important. The weight of the roof is going to transfer down the rafters, and try to push the walls apart. As long as the rafters are secured to the walls, and the walls are held together well, how much is the ridge beam really doing.
I thought about using a mere 2x4 for the ridge beam, and notching the rafters to fit around it.
What size rafters are you using?
2x6 rafters
20:33
So you're going to use a 2x10 ridge beam?
ridge beam gives you a nailer for the top edge of the roof and keeps the rafters evenly spaced
I figured a 2x8 ridge beam would give me enough nailing surface for the 2x6 rafters.
time to go back to the book
@BMitch Right, but structurally... It's just preventing your triangles from falling over.
I have quite a few books in front of me :-)
20:35
@JayBazuzi Oh yeah sorry, 2x8.
If I do the rafter units, with a little plywood gusset at the peak, then I think it makes sense to notch in for a 2x4 ridge beam.
@JayBazuzi What type of building is this?
just a shed?
A little more than a shed. But not a house, either.
It will fill a bunch of roles that the yurt doesn't fill. Like it will have a composting toilet in it.
So we won't be in it all day, but we want it to be more comfortable than your typical shed.
Maybe on par with "rustic cabin".
Maybe @BMitch will find an answer in his book, or @shirlockhomes will show up with some good advice. But your plan sounds good to me.
I am going lumber shopping now, but will keep an eye out here later. Thanks for your patient guidance, all.
20:43
have fun at the lumber yard @JayBazuzi
reading through the book, there isn't any roof design without a ridge beam until I get to the engineered design
looking over that now
with trusses (the pre-engineered roofs that are delivered to most homes these days) you have a lot of internal supports to maintain the spacing and prevent them from tipping over.
There's at least a line of supports across each side of the ridge, half way down the roof if it's fairly large, and some diagonals
That was a good distraction, but I still stand by my opinion that this is easier to frame with a rafter and in pieces. It becomes a 2 person job at that point.
You can raise the ridge beam with a temporary 2x4 that's tacked into the wall directly below and a couple of braces, or you can have everyone hold tight while you get the gable ends assembled on each side.
I meant to say it's easier to frame with a "ridge beam"
anyway, time is up for PUT and I need to get off my butt and out for a walk. Have a great weekend everyone!
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