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You can use baffles like this to allow air to flow, while still being able to add insulation to the roof.
gee I almost forgot it was thursday.
Hey @Shirlock. How ya been?
pretty busy actually
@Tester101 Found this"The closed cell 2-pcf foam can be spray-applied into open wall cavities, crawlspaces, perimeter joists, cathedral ceilings, and garage ceilings at a maximum total thickness of 6". Product must be installed according to local code, and must be applied by a certified applicator. "
did a gutter job today. getting too cold outside for me!
21:07
come on down to VA, we're a bit warmer, and my gutters need cleaning :)
where is my girlfriend today?
she ran off
something about not being able to be here at the same time as you
actually pretty warm here too. 50 today, usually 30 this time of year
lololol it is a plot
did I miss any fun stuff?
@Aaron is thinking about insulation in his attic and replacing his outlets and @chris wants his wife to stop helping him with his projects.
hmm, we've got @Aaron insulating his attic, trying to figure out if the joists are load bearing
21:10
no good can ever come from a wife helping with a DIY
not is you want to satay married. lol
Yeah, part of the problem is that I don't necessarily react well to the "help"
@shirlockhomes good thing @Aarthi isn't here to hear you say that.
Joists aren't load bearing, the walls under them are
@Tester101, you know they're the same person, right :D
hahaha
21:11
Uh oh @shirlockhomes you're in trouble now.
The jig is up!
opps she's back
lol
She's back!
haha that's what happens when Tester ALERTS me.
21:12
Aarhi is coming to maine next summer and cruise on the "Black Pearl"
live podcast from the water
is that what you kids call it now. ducks
@Aarthi is a great pirate name!
@Aarthi had to send up the Aarthi signal, we needed a women's presence to keep the chat gender neutral.
sure is.
@shirlockhomes that sounds like an awesome idea :D
21:14
I'm so neutral, I'm biege
@shirlockhomes hahaha
okay seriously though I can't be in here too much, as much as I adore y'all
right now i'm on a call! eeeeek :O
likely story
lol i'll screencap my screen BUT THAT WOULD BE CHEATING
so, what was the verdict on the joists?
@shirlockhomes have you ever worked with closed cell foam insulation, or any spray foam insulation for that matter?
21:15
I admit, I haven't back read all the comments
He thinks he has 8 inch joists, not sure how much insulation. there's already plywood down and he wants to put it back and use it for light storage afterwards.
yes, sub it out, but used a lot of it
Plus there's an ice dam on the south roof.
How does it compare to fiberglass?
no good verdict on the joists, just trying to determine if there's enough to put a floor on there
21:17
my first thought is blown in HD
fill her up
cellulose
you can blow in a Home Depot? :)
I've got to put one of those in my attic
NO, the rental machines aren't powerful enouhg
@BMitch no no no. they blow the cellulose in high definition.
High density!!!! lmao
Huh..my cellulose made everything kinda fuzzy
21:19
@Tester101 awesome, but is it 3D yet?
It's also in 3D, looks like it's coming right at you.
see your doctor
Would you leave the fiberglass that's in place and just put cellulose on top? Or would he get more bang for his buck by removing what's already there and replacing it with high-density?
faom is great, but wicked expensive
how much f/g? and is it taped?
unfaced?
good fit?
I don't know yet, I haven't pulled up the plywood to check
21:21
Could be empty.
guess you gotta take a look first
you can get r30 in an 8 inch viod
@Aaron you'll have to take a look before next Thursday.
R44 would be better, but 8 inch joists are small
@shirlockhomes that was the other thing we discussed... if he could extend the joists.
I really don't think the wxpense of foam would be cost effective
21:23
@Tester101, I sincerely hope it is not empty
That would make me upset
are these really joists or collar ties?
@Aaron when was the house built? might be filled with old newspaper.
194X
yes indeed, I've found newspaper and old clothing before
40's would be spun crap. maybe R 4 or 5 at best
that is assuming it is original from the 40's
@shirlockhomes sounds stinky!
21:26
what is the spacing>
mice love it
so do hornets!!!!! OMG!!!!!
wanna see some pics of this attic. guessing a lot here
pull a couple of plywoods so I can see the ceiling
@Aaron when you get a chance to get up there, pull up the plywood and take some pictures. Then ask a question on the main site, and include the pictures.
are there any soffit vents?
I missed the beginning. sorry
@shirlockhomes I think he said he didn't know if there were soffit vents.
Arron, are there sytrofoam tunnels along the rafters?
Are there any openings or screens under the soffits??
@shirlockhomes he mentioned vents on the ends of the attic, so I'm guessing there are no ridge/roof vents.
21:35
OK, probaly not in a 1940's house unless retrofitted
1940's build, i'd guess the soffits are open on the outside, and sealed from the attic.
hard to know without pics
in this area all the soffits are closed, even in old houses
very few open rafter tails
I'm guessing there is no air flow through the soffit, since he mentioned the vents at each end of the attic.
Guess they depended on the wind for ventilation back in the day.
I gotta find my pirate pics for Aarthi. LOL
most had no vents at all if they had a 6 or better pitch
Well I gotta get out of here. Somebody turn off the lights when you're done.
21:40
See ya later @Tester101
There is some loose insulation at the very front and back edges of the roof, between the joists, but the plywood doesn't extend all the way to the tip tip
well, post some pics, we'll help you out
yeah, I'm trying to stay away from the HALP ME and get more compartmentalized/answerable questions
but the problem is that I don't even know which questions to start with
you will get the hang of it
I do take calls if you really need some advise.
well, one aspect at a time
The outlets I think I can handle
One of the upcoming things which I will probably post a Q for is how to install a fan vent in the bathroom (it does not have one currently)
21:44
omg you got the outlet thing I just commented on?
and what's the best way to get through the roof/insulation/etc with the vent, etc
did you have a home inspection and did you plan on some rehab?
@Aaron Feel free to drop the broad questions in the chat and we can help break them down. You've been here a couple days, there's usually a few of us just hanging out in here looking for something to talk about.
be sure to post simple single topic questions. got a lot of good guys here, good answers
@shirlockhomes, yes to both questions
21:47
This site has several excellent contriutors. I keep an eye on them! lolololol
but like, would it be conducive (and helpful) to the site, to just post a question 'How do I install a bathroom vent fan here' and provide pictures of the area in the attic and the bathroom?
I think that's a good question, especially with pics.
lots of times, a really good answer takes a lot of time to type and is not as complete as we would like. so take it a small piece at a time
because of course I also have to get power to this area above the bathroom, and wire up a switch somewhere, etc. etc. so it gets a little more complicated than just 'cut a hole, put it in'
u got that right. but if you have the plywood off, that is good time to drop/fish wire
21:49
@shirlockhomes, so as to the grounded outlets, your answer is do not use the armored conduit for ground under any circumstances?
woah, my SE goodies arrived by mail during PUT
It's been a few weeks. I'm still waiting.
i would never do that. If I saw that during an inspection, huge RED FLAGS!!!
I would advise buyer to plan to rewire or walk away
what goodees you get? I want pencils!!!!!!!!
But the armored conduit was acceptable at one point, wasn't it?
Bmitch: Pics!!!
it was fine for 2 wire, never for 3 wire without a drain conductor
21:52
ok, one sec, I'll send ya guys a pic
some BX had a small ground conductor
@Aarthi, where are my pencils? hehehehehe
@shirlockhomes eek! i totally blanked.
wait i need you to email me
bet you gave them all to tester and Bmitch
actually i have like 700 left
shall i just send you a box?
now I know who are your favs
living in my rehab spec house
21:56
lol, while you still can, click the drop down next to those messages and hit delete, otherwise your contact info will be in the transcript
I want 1,000,000 boxes
OPPS
I can't delete. oh well, not a problem
Ooooh....swaggy!
oh Ya Aarthi loves you!!!!!!! look at all that swag
@BMitch Oooh - when did that arrive?
21:58
@ChrisF about 10 minutes ago, in the middle of PUT
@ChrisF can you do Shirlock a fav and delete his contact info from a few posts up
@BMitch Done
Thanks
@BMitch, you been sending Aarthi flowers or someting?
@BMitch So given they've arrived in Virginia, how long will it take to get across the Atlantic?
@shirlockhomes, I'll email your contact into to Aarthi and cc you so you have her home address :)
22:00
TY Chris
Depends how fast the turtle swims....
lolololol OK
@shirlockhomes It's the top user swag pack. You should have been sent an e-mail for claiming yours
package shipped from MA, so if Shirlock filled out that google docs form, I'm betting he'd have it in no time
@BMitch, I got mine today too!
stackexchange goodies that is
22:01
I do remember seeing that, thought I send back my info. Aarthi was mad at me I think. lolololol
I'm liking the retractable felt tip pin
ok, I'm slipping, anyone have any last words for PUT?
maybe takes longer to get north to maine....
but them is we are one in the same, I already have them
My coworkers were more impressed with the letter from Joel than the swag :)
So I'll probably get it on Monday in Toronto.
no last words, just glad i got in before you all whent to sleep
22:03
Thanks for joining us for this week's PUT.
I've also got cooking swag coming too.
DIY will be my last for a while I think. Unless they do a UX pack.
Well, Gotta run.

Project Update Thursday - 1 Dec 2011

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@shirlockhomes, well, I haven't seen the grounded oulets using the armored cable, but there are a bunch of ungrounded outlets in the living room, and they do have armored cable to the metal receptacles boxes
22:06
@chrisf: there's a "delete me" bookmark out there: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/111/…
Bye @ChrisCudmore
@BMitch The one that says "Test - Delete" from the 24th Nov?
I'm guessing it was a test and they wanted to have it deleted :)
that's the one
It's gone
@Arron read my answer, you can't do grounded outlets with BX
22:08
thanks!
alright, time for me to get my afternoon walk in the dark in. It's getting dark way too early. /waves
22:41
wow i missed....all of this! D: oh noooo
sadly i now have to leave ugh what is my life.
okay, you guys are awesome @BMitch is my hero and I will send steve some pencils, muahahaha. bye everyone!
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