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9:00 AM
wait a minuteeeeee...
 
sup
 
some banks are really lazy.
they don't even bother to check if your credit card bills last month have been debited and send you a notice.
@CalvinKhor do you think a 16G tablet doesn't work well?
 
$\frac{de^{\int p(x)dx}}{dx}y$+$\frac{e^{\int p(x)dx}dy}{dx}$$\neq $$\frac{e^{\int p(x)dx}dy}{dx}$+$e^{\int p(x)dx}p(x)y$
don't know if my brain is normal or not but I think interal factor is wrong
or is it text which is wrong
 
@CaptainBohemian its a little small, if you have a lot of old papers to read or papers that are detailed graphs, then the size can be quite large
@CaptainBohemian you won't get all 16G, some of it will be used for the operating system
@CaptainBohemian if there is the ability to use an SD card for more space, then it becomes acceptable
@SpecterProphet do you agree with the above?
@SpecterProphet this looks correct to me edit: with = sign, not ≠ sign except that $\int p(x) dx$ is a little imprecise
 
@CalvinKhor I agree but now my brain needs to prove integral factor is true lol
 
9:11 AM
@CalvinKhor in this case, don't forget to add the cost of the SD card before making the decision to buy
 
@CalvinKhor do you know if there is a kind of doctor to see for not being able to sleep well?
 
I think i have memorized product rule worngly
no I am right
 
@CaptainBohemian no, maybe a psychologist?? no clue
 
@CalvinKhor I don't know the volume of my phone but it never frustrates me.
 
@CaptainBohemian this is information that you can find, at least in principle
I don't exactly know how to do it because I don't know your model
well, I know your phone model, what i mean is, i am not familliar with it
 
9:14 AM
@CalvinKhor I had had sleeping problem for long due to not being able to solve an issue and even the pharmacist can't detect from my finger that I can't sleep well.
 
let's say if=$e^{\int p(x)dx}$
and apply integral factor on this eq
y'+p(x)y=q(x)
 
@CalvinKhor my problem was that I can't easily fall asleep and after falling asleep I can't keep long enough sleep to feel refreshed after waking up and once being waked up midway it was very hard for me to fall asleep. And I often waked up feeling panic and felt the need to get up to solve my problem and can't fall asleep again even I had just slept for 3 to 4 hours in night.
 
book says ify'+ifp(x)y=(ify)'
but product says if'y+y'if=(ify)'
if'=if
 
@CalvinKhor I can still feel and think when sleeping, so I can't sleep well if my problem hasn't been solved.
 
so ify+yif=ify'+ifp(x)y?
0_0
ify=/=ifp(x)y lol
am I dreaming
 
9:23 AM
@CalvinKhor Were you trying to teach me this $$ |y-y_0| \lt min ( \frac{|y_0|}{2}, ~~ \frac{\epsilon~y_0^2}{2})$$
 
yes chain rule :P I always forget u dear
 
@Knight yes exactly
 
I nearly proved integral factor is wrong why did chain rule exist ;_;
 
@Knight actually, almost exactly right but no. this does not explicitly say what delta is. You should clearly state $\delta = \min(...,...)$
 
I could get field medal for it ;_;
 
9:27 AM
@SpecterProphet i have trouble understanding your problem
 
@CalvinKhor $$\delta = min~( \frac{|y_0|}{2}, ~ \frac{\epsilon~y_0 ^2}{2} )$$
 
@CalvinKhor I did error with derivative not thinking about chain rule lol
 
@Knight yes. And you could use any $\delta$ smaller
 
now i need to solve i for partial differential equation
 
@CalvinKhor But please tell me how we got the idea of $$|y-y_0| \lt \frac{|y_0|}{2}$$ in the first place? It seems a very very clever guess (if it's a guess at all)
 
9:32 AM
Lol
you don't need this
what you need is $|y|>c>0$ for some $c$
so that $1/|y| < C $
The picture is, if $y$ is close enough to $y_0\neq 0$, then $y$ is not zero
One way to get a lower bound on $y$ is to use $|y|≥ |y_0| - |y-y_0| $
 
Can we obtain that same result with $C$ also?
I meant your C
 
From the above inequality its not a huge step to try to force $|y-y_0| < k|y_0|$ for some $0< k < 1$
 
I solve function depending on two variable in pde it suks
 
choosing $k=1/2$ is not in any way required
each choice of $k$ will lead to one choice of $c = (1-k)|y_0|$ which will lead to one choice of $C = 1/c $
all of them work the same way
 
All right, let's do this one: If $x$ is close to $x_0$ and $y$ is close to $y_0$ then prove that $xy$ is close to $x_0y_0$
 
9:38 AM
If this doesn't help, then thhe only thing i have left to say is, do anothher 200 examples, you'll get it at thhe end
 
nonlinear equation suks
 
@Knight The trick for this one is the identity $xy - x_0 y_0 = x(y-y_0) + (x-x_0)y_0$. I gotta bounce tho, see you people
 
Cya
 
also you should stop using 'is close to' and use the properly defined terms
i feel like the license to say 'is close to' is obtained when you can solve these problems with your eyes closed
so to speak
ok cya
 
the integrating factor of nonlinear equation just simplified to just $x^2$ (ಥ_ಥ) why does math do this to me
@CalvinKhor glhf and bounce
 
9:44 AM
$$
|x- x_0| \lt 1 \\
|x| \lt 1+ |x_0|
$$
Now, let's manipulate this thing
$$
|xy - x_0 y_0| = \big| |x| |y-y_0| + |y_0| |x-x_0| \big| \lt |x| |y-y_0| + |y_0||x-x_0|\\
\text{If we want} \\
|x| |y-y_0| + |y_0| |x-x_0| \lt \epsilon \\
\text{then we need} \\
|x| |y-y_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2} \implies |y-y_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{ 2( 1+x_0)} \\
|y_0| |x- x_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2} \implies |x-x_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2 |y_0|}
$$
 
again need to solve for verification sht
math is wasting my paper . I want to protest against mathematician who create this kind of topics.
 
@Knight no, that is not necessary, it is sufficient
leaving for real bye
@SpecterProphet post more details if u want will see later
 
@CalvinKhor (When you come back) So, I have two questions:
1. The actual answers are
$$
|x-x_0| \lt ~min~\left( 1, \frac{\epsilon}{2 (|y_0 +1 )}\right) \\
|y-y_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2 (|x_0| +1)} $$
Why my $|x-x_0|$ doesn't match with the answer?

2. Why we assumed $|x-x_0| \lt 1$ ?
 
write 01 and 02
 
10:07 AM
please tell developers to make a built in latex chat
how to massage ur head
I forgot what vector span is now it should be applied to d plane
 
10:27 AM
and analysis rudin is wierd
 
10:44 AM
haha now I find i am smarter than lecturer
who teach rudin
he just states random q is newtonian approximation
so blindly teaching student
anyway cya
 
11:03 AM
Are you upset?
What is rudin?
 
@CaptainBohemian rudin is one of two books on analysis, the more basic of which is also sometimes called "baby rudin", and comes from the author's name, Walter Rudin
 
Oh. I have never read an analysis book.
 
1. The reason is because there are an uncountable number of different proofs of the same result, just like earlier, each $k$ gave a different proof even though you chose $k=1/2$
2. Did you use it? Then that's why. I don't understand the question. You could also use a different but similar identity $xy - x_0 y_0 = y(x-x_0) + (y-y_0)x_0$ and now you won't assume $|x-x_0|<1$ but you'll need to assume something else. Again, over a million different proofs.
@CaptainBohemian then i immediately discount all your opinions on having studied maths :P
 
Our department never taught math.
We only discuss physics.
If our professors teach a course which is sheer math, I may feel it too boring to follow.
 
very possible
 
11:14 AM
I have never had that kind of course in university.
 
frik rudin
 
lol why
@SpecterProphet
 
his proof consist of random equation which comes out from a thin air
and I need to rederive the equation
takes hours to do that
 
which proof lol
 
I will send a pic wait
 
11:17 AM
kk
 
Do you believe one apple a day keeps you away from doctor?@SpecterProphet
But even if you eat an apple a day, you can have sleeping problem, don't you?
 
q= blablabla
I understand the whole proof
the q I know how to derive vaugely but not exactly
 
oo this is one of those proofs
i forgot how it "works"
 
please don't tell me this is just an approximation lol
let me finish my hamburger
 
lol
what's the meaning of $q -^2 2$?
 
11:22 AM
@CaptainBohemian if believe no lol
@CalvinKhor what is that lol
 
its in (4) of your pic
 
lmo rudin error
 
thanks rudin
 
tats y I say fak rudin
 
i think it should be $q^2 - 2$?
 
11:26 AM
I have not eaten an apple for eons.
That is why I need to see a doctor?
 
@CaptainBohemian certainly a hypothesis you could test
 
idk I have forgotten lots of thing I will coment for this boutique butger
crap i have bunch of brunch
 
@CalvinKhor But I assumed the same thing what the book assumed !
 
@Knight what?
 
@CalvinKhor yes htf u manage to guess this so correctly
it took me some paperwork while eatin
 
11:32 AM
@CalvinKhor so I just go to buy apples to eat later?
 
@CalvinKhor $|x-x_0| \lt 1$
 
@SpecterProphet maybe 10 years ago i read it and remembered the typo
@SpecterProphet subconsciously remembered
 
photographic memory
u damn gifted
 
@SpecterProphet if only
@Knight m8 i aint know what you on
 
do u remembe where q comes from?
 
11:37 AM
 
@SpecterProphet lol no
 
that's the most important piece lol
 
I think it should be two meals a day keeps gastrointestinal doctor away.
 
@Knight you're missing |...| in a couple important places
and the way you wrote it, it doesn't work for $y_0=0$
but otherwise i see no issues
and I have no clue what you're trying to ask @Knight
 
if u remember tag me right now I hve idea using epsilon I might get there
 
11:43 AM
ok
 
choosing right epsilon will get me the equality
 
@CalvinKhor My answer for $|x-x_0|$ is different than what he got.
 
@SpecterProphet
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Q: Choice of $q$ in Baby Rudin's Example 1.1

RachelFirst, my apologies if this has already been asked/answered. I wasn't able to find this question via search. My question comes from Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis," or "Baby Rudin," Ch 1, Example 1.1 on p. 2. In the second version of the proof, showing that sets A and B do not ha...

@Knight something ending with "." is not a question? Also, a million and one different proofs?
 
@CalvinKhor 👍
 
@Knight idk if its clear, let me try to say it again the difference between your proof and theirs comes from the fact that your proof is actually wrong for $y_0=0$
@Knight and that's not the only difference, you missed out on some |...|s as well
 
11:51 AM
I got $$|x-x_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2\|y_0|}$$ but the book used $$|x-x_0| \lt ~min (1,~ \frac{\epsilon}{2(|y_0| +1) })$$ If it’s not a hard task then may you please point out where I missed |..| ?
 
Well now you have ||y_0| which makes no sense
And, this is the third time, but let me try a different sentence- you just possibly divided by zero. the proof in the picture you sent avoids this by dividing by 1+|y_0| instead
2 hours ago, by Knight
$$
|x- x_0| \lt 1 \\
|x| \lt 1+ |x_0|
$$
Now, let's manipulate this thing
$$
|xy - x_0 y_0| = \big| |x| |y-y_0| + |y_0| |x-x_0| \big| \lt |x| |y-y_0| + |y_0||x-x_0|\\
\text{If we want} \\
|x| |y-y_0| + |y_0| |x-x_0| \lt \epsilon \\
\text{then we need} \\
|x| |y-y_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2} \implies |y-y_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{ 2( 1+x_0)} \\
|y_0| |x- x_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2} \implies |x-x_0| \lt \frac{\epsilon}{2 |y_0|}
$$
you cannot divide by $1+x_0$ if $x_0 = -1$
 
@CalvinKhor So, what to do?
 
So don't divide by zero?
Either split into cases or do what they did
 
Okay!
They did the same thing
 
you can't "do the same thing" and end up with two different marks of ink on your paper
the output of a pen is not random
 
11:56 AM
They did divide by $|x_0| +1$.
 
which is not the same as $x_0+1$
 
Oh got you!
 
ergo a missing |...|
and a fatal error if $x_0=-1$
 
Yes, I appreciate such a hawk eye!
 
you call it hawk eye, I call it burnt out from marking too many of these assignments
 
11:58 AM
And they divided by $|y_0| +1$ instead of $|y_0|$ for the same reason?
 
yeah
dividing by somethhing that is >1
 
Please accept this:
You’ve calming effect like a breeze, but have wisdom-full effect, also, like a tragedy
 
lol
I don't understand it but I will star it and read it a few times
 
Tragedy teaches us something that no one can teach us.
but you teach the same thing without causing any destruction unlike a tragedy but by making the learner happy like a soothing breeze
 
i think if you want to learn as fast as possible you should accept that your soul is going to be completely crushed, and pray you make it out alive
2
i needa run, see ya!
 
12:08 PM
Cya
Enough Analysis for today!
 
 
1 hour later…
1:33 PM
@CaptainBohemian positive...
@SpecterProphet Nice Book... How many pages?
 
2:13 PM
@abhas_RewCie not nice it is full of errors
380+ page
it is a good book to set yourself in fire and waste times
@CalvinKhor I had the same idea as them
 
2:31 PM
@SpecterProphet Okay, I'm motivated this time to write another not so nice book...
 
I feel my eyes so tired when reading on phone.
 
I played ark and trapped few people while offline feels good
I think i will try to prove it by my own style
I think mine version would be q=(p+sqrt(2))/2
just mean of two will be ok
cutting every distance in half infinitely can prove it
rudin did start with more easier way but it lead him to more comp,icated way
 
3:05 PM
yo nosebleed
 
I am nosebleed no more
yo satan
how u doin in hell
x>1/(2-p)
x>0
wierd
I think i am doin algebraic mistake
oh i forgot to put constraint
0<c<1/(sqrt(2)+p)
I derived the inequality
first p<p-(p^2-2)c<sqrt(2)
 
In high school were never taught to type latex
 
so many x which to choose lol
@CaptainBohemian mine neither
my classmate doesn't even know how to use calculator lol
 
We even didn't use computer often.
 
my classmate cry when using scratch
 
3:19 PM
That time eyestrain was rare.
 
scratch.mit.edu this scratch i am talkin
 
I have sleepiness trouble.
 
now i know c=1/(k+p) where 1/(k+p)<1/(sqrt(2)+p)
 
Reading formulas on phone incurs eyestrain easier.
And basically I can't read LaTeX with ease.
 
3:34 PM
now i don't know about k
rudin choose k=2 but in my case sqrt(2)>p>k
which violates the inequality
nonono i am wrongvlol
must be algebraic mistake again(ಥ_ಥ)
I need a blackboard
 
$ \color{grey}{\text{(removed)}}$
 
3:55 PM
@Knight my mathjax doesn't work lmao
even though I might think it is real I can just click it and reveal it is fake removed😈
>:D >:D
how sht frag can't damage nokia 3310
ok k>sqrt(2)
so he take k=2 is right
and p>-sqrt(2)
u can choose until $+\infty$
qed
God !why rudin never comments on his book
I didn't knew he already dieded
R.I.P
 
RIP
 
4:13 PM
he nearly outlived newton
 
4:46 PM
Can you suggest me a book which is the best book?
 
Do you like to see surgical doctor?
 
no
why?
I don't like to see a doctor
no one does...
 
Some people like more than others, I think.
 
4:56 PM
Probably, they may have some personal connections with doctor...
 
Or some people are less afraid than others.
 
But they are!
 
They are what?
 
afraid
 
But they're less afraid enough to see surgical doctor regularly.
 
5:01 PM
ok dinner time good night
 
Midnight now
 
@SpecterProphet Does day happen in your planet?
 
Very sleepy but lack energy to go home.
I never had good impression in doctors.
 
5:39 PM
@CaptainBohemian Both of my parents are doctors :(
I can tell you that doctors (atleast in india) Are extremely had-working
 
What kind of doctor are they?
Surgical doctor?
 
@satan29 aiims? :O
 
@abhas_RewCie it happens only when i let it happen.
 
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