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12:00 AM
(Also I just noticed that the latter tag wiki said "about the the". I fixed that. :P)
 
12:33 AM
@V2Blast Yeah, I guess it's just sometimes used for things outside that, ah well
 
 
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2:45 AM
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Q: Is this Generalist wizard balanced compared to the official subclasses?

qazwsxIs this Generalist Wizard balanced compared to the official wizard subclasses? The intent is to make a wizard that, instead of focusing on any particular school or application, just gains more knowledge of and control over magic, the wizard equivilant of the Champion or Open Hand subclasses. Arca...

 
3:23 AM
@NautArch What did I do? I was, like, three states away. I'm innocent!
Or, I suppose, I just confessed to crossing state lines in the doing of the thing....
 
3:39 AM
External Containment Bureau by Mythic Gazetteer. An RPG of paranormal investigation and weird bureaucracy
 
4:20 AM
Hi! I'm mainly active over on Code Golf, I was going to make a feature request on network meta and was wondering if anyone here'd answer a few questions I had about tagging on this site, since I was thinking it might also benefit from the feature request (and be a good example).
Specifically, I was wondering how much of a requirement the system tags are, how often there's exceptions to that, how those are typically tagged and/or handled, and how much of a problem questions without proper tagging are for y'all
 
@RedwolfPrograms system tags are almost always a requirement for us -- even "freeform" RP can be seen as a system of its own
undertagged/untagged questions are indeed a significant problem as well -- many newer users don't have the exposure/perspective outside of the 800lb gorilla systems (D&D, mostly, although there are a couple of others out there that can be that way for some) to realize that they're underspecifying their questions
 
The feature I was considering writing a FR for is something similar to the required tags on meta (different color, being displayed above all others, being shown first, maybe not actually being required but being very hard to miss) on main sites, since Code Golf's in a similar situation with its winning criteria (one is almost always required, and they're frequently missing). Does that sounds like it'd be something that would be helpful here?
(I don't want to use y'all as an example of how it could be helpful if it'd not do you any good :p)
 
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Q: Can we color system tags to emphasize that they're different and "more meaningful"?

GlaziusSo, this is kind of an "asking about a problem I don't have" feature, but I wanted to float it out there. As an answerer of unfrequented systems, I've noticed that many questions follow what's come to be expected practice around here - that you tag the system your question is about and you don't ...

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Q: Make it possible for certain tags (like game tags) to always appear first

V2BlastAs I brought up in the comments of this question, it would be great if it were possible to somehow have a specified tag always be listed first on a post, or if certain special tags (in RPG.SE's case, system tags) always appeared first when applied to any post. As SevenSidedDie pointed out in a c...

 
4:36 AM
The not-on-the-roadmap feels a bit like a chicken and egg problem :p
Not sure whether I should still post my FR on MM, there's still probably some value since it's something multiple sites would benefit from and at least it sort of puts it on their radar maybe
 
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Q: Custom tag styling (color) for a classification of tag?

CatijaTags come in (essentially) three colors... and these three colors are limited to meta sites only. Mod tags - red/maroon. Required tags - grey. General tags - white or nearly white depending on the site. As far as I know, all tags on a main site are the same color with the exception of the cus...

 
Oh I didn't notice that one
I'll hold off on my FR for now I guess, it seems close enough to that one
Thanks!
 
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Q: Applying custom moderator tags to questions

Steven JeurisWe are discussing possible ways in order to make Code Review more useful for external users. Right now code is reviewed and that's it, the question/answer is no longer useful for anyone else. One of the ideas that popped up was to apply specific tags to questions in order to categorize them as ex...

Okay, I'll stop digging around now (and I think I've exhausted my list of possible keywords anyhow)
 
5:13 AM
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A: Magic wand time - what does your community need? (More questions from the Community VP)

V2BlastRPG.SE: Make it possible for RPG system tags to always appear first, and display them in a special color There are two features I think RPG.SE would really benefit from (that would likely also benefit other sites on the Stack Exchange network), and they're both summarized well in existing feature...

 
 
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12:14 PM
So a week ago I asked about changing to
Now that we've decided to do that, I've realized I don't actually know how to do that.
do I create a spellcasting-focus tag and then synonym arcane-focus to it?
 
12:46 PM
@ThomasMarkov Do you think this question which I was about to answer, is actually just fully answered by this question?
 
Yeah probably.
 
@ThomasMarkov Sounds right to me
 
In particular Xirema’s answer.
Maybe give it more bounty.
Gonna dupe close?
 
Thinking about it, yeah
 
That’s probably fine.
 
12:49 PM
They're certainly not asking the same thing, since one is asking "What do you add for each weapon" and the other is "Did I calculate this right?" (for one specific case)
 
“Framed differently” is not the same thing as “different question”
 
Yeah, and given the answers, yeah, I'mma hammer
 
Xirema’s answer makes a good canonical target.
 
1:25 PM
@ThomasMarkov Only moderators can rename a tag.
 
but would my idea work?
 
Your solution would lose the remapping which is essential.
 
create new tag, then synonym to that one?
 
So people don't lose their favourites and ignored tags.
 
Ah.
Gotcha
 
1:26 PM
(But it would technically work)
 
Can you not ignore a synonym?
 
Depends on what you mean by that.
E.g. you can ignore adnd-2.0
And you will not see adnd-2e questions.
But it will automatically turn that into adnd-2e in your ignored list.
@Medix2 ^
 
Hmm yeah I don't quite follow but oh well
If somebody was already ignoring or following [arcane-focus] and that became a synonym of [spellcasting-focus] I feel like the ignored/followed status should just keep working?
Maybe it doesn't work that way though, and I should write a feature-request
 
@Medix2 while we waste time butchering stuff that is working just fine.
 
1:44 PM
@Medix2 exactly, it gets remapped.
That is why Thomas idea doesn't work out.
And we need a moderator to do it - to keep that logic intact :)
 
@nitsua60 Wild magic table :)
 
Im so confused.
 
I don't see why remapping is bad at all
If anything it's good because the user's experience doesn't change
 
Yes
 
All the questions they were following or ignoring they are still following/ignoring
 
1:47 PM
That is exactly how that works.
 
But you just said that synonyms cause remapping as if it was a bad thing?
 
The rename does that and the rename is a moderator action.
 
Oh, you just misread what I asked XD
Actually, I think I can just go test this
 
I'm confused. I answered two different question.
One about synoyms - the 2.0 and 2e example and one about renaming.
 
If you ignore a synonym, it does ignore the parent
 
1:50 PM
yes
 
So just making a new tag and marking the old as a synonym will not change anything
So there is no need to rename the tag at all
 
Hm, I guess then I'm wrong about Thoma's method not working out. You can circumvent it like that I suppose.
Not sure if it breaks any other logic.
 
Yeah it might do something weird, somewhere, hmmm
 
I would still just wait until a mod does it properly.
 
@ThomasMarkov Really want to tag that tempest cleric question. It's clearly 5e :) #toosoon?
 
1:54 PM
@NautArch Patience. The end is near.
 
@NautArch too soon.
 
This is the way the policy ends, not with a bang but a whimper
I already wrote my answer to that question lol
 
Some people on rpg.se seem to type at around 200wpm.
 
So I shouldn't add a tag, but we can answer @Medix2? Don't make me leeeroy jenkins this.
 
I wish I had learned typing properly, but my elementary education never had courses like that,
 
1:58 PM
@Akixkisu I only get 150 wpm, but it's still quite fast
I also type very improperly
 
I played typing games as a kid :) Was already touch typing by the time they taught us on typewriters.
 
@Medix2 that is about double my speed.
I learned a lot of wood and iron working safety though ;)
 
@NautArch I was impatient
 
You have been downvoted.
For your impatience.
 
@Medix2 Should probably delete it until it's defined. Bad precedent.
 
2:00 PM
That's okay, if the OP accepts it I can just add the [dnd-5e] tag
 
@Medix2 This is not the way.
 
Dont make me flag NAA
 
Fiiiiiiiiiiine
That probably came across less than how I wanted it to...
 
hehehe
What do you mean? "Fine" is always a positive response? Right? If not, I may be in trouble at home.
@Akixkisu I feel like 'shop' classes aren't as much of a thing anymore.
 
rip the enlightened badge i was totally gonna get from that post
 
2:01 PM
Sadly, I didn't take shop because I was in both band and orchestra - but thankfully I had a handy dad.
 
@NautArch Your children never hit you with a drawn out "fiiiiiiineeeee"?
 
@ThomasMarkov :D
Anyone watching the soccer final in olympics? Nail biter.
 
Like, I feel like I've heard them on your mic
doing exactly that
 
Oh, absolutely. Forgot the /s at the end.
 
@NautArch well, at least I have a handwritten certificate that accredits me to be capable of doing soldering work on electric circuit boards, always has helped me on my cv ;)
 
2:03 PM
@Akixkisu My soldering is awful.
 
So is mine.
Though I used to be good at it.
 
We've got equipment in the office ive had to resolder and it's been very much a learning process.
 
I think if I picked it up again, I could relearn it rather quickly.
 
Although I dont' understand why I've had to do it so much. I an't imagine all their customer are able to do the work I've done on the machines.
 
Most of the soldering that I do are cables.
And all of it is on my personal equipment.
 
2:06 PM
@Medix2 So you did a good job signposting your system assumption there, but that question would probably just get tagged instead of closed. Good practice though, I guess :P
 
Usually, I do it for audio equipment, they design the cables to break after about three years, and I can fix them by cutting and then soldering in 5 minutes. I don't want to know how many cables the average person buys.
 
Removed quote that also assumed system.
 
oops, sorry about removing the parenthetical.
That should have stayed - thanks.
 
@NautArch Wrong link?
 
darnit
 
2:19 PM
 
^^
Yes!
 
Eh, I think it's different since answers rely on different things.
One is "duplicates aren't creatures" the other is "duplicates aren't you"
 
Fair enough.
I'll link as related if they confirm game.
 
@NautArch mine has dnd-5e tagged ...
 
lol that is one of the rare instances of me downvoting @Medix2
 
2:21 PM
@KorvinStarmast Right, hence why "if they confirm game"
 
@NautArch I must be looking at the wrong reference, since the one you linked previously also had the tag. What question are you talking about?
 
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Q: Does Wrath Of The Storm works with Mirror Image?

Danielcould be a noob question (haha sorry) but if an enemy hit one of the my Mirror Images, does it trigger the Wrath Of The Storm (Cleric: Tempest Domain, level 1)?

 
Oh, different Q. (It is intuitively obvious to the most casual {expert} observer that it's about dnd-5e). But as it's a sloppy question and I did vote to close, I'm not gonna get all grumpy about the roll back. I probably should have looked for a dupe target and recommended a close for that reason.
@ThomasMarkov I think Medix is correct.
 
@KorvinStarmast Not sure there's a dupe. If they confirm, I think it's a new question.
 
@Medix2 things we should have suggested about the revisit: 10-run rule
 
3:00 PM
How does this answer the question? rpg.stackexchange.com/a/190536/44723
 
3:29 PM
@Akixkisu I flagged it.
So I dont have an answer to your question lol
 
 
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4:32 PM
Hey, I'm looking to double check something about D&D 3.5e, and about Pathfinder 1e: does the term "immediate action" mainly get used in the context of reactive actions you take, that get triggered by things other people do?
i.e. "you triggered my trap card!" style things, and not "so on my turn i'm going to voluntarily take an immediate action to—"
 
This looks like a rule intent/designer reasons question to me.
 
I mean, it looks like they're trying to understand how to apply a game mechanic
Like, if you're trained, does that mean you should be using easier scores? Does being untrained make for harder scores?
 
@doppelgreener This doesn't even make sense in the context of the question.
 
I did read the question.
 
I do think my answer answers the question; so maybe we've all just got different interpretations
 
4:39 PM
@doppelgreener Then I have no idea what this sentence means.
 
That means someone else is probably better positioned to answer it this time, then.
 
@Medix2 And I dont see how your answer actually supports the claim you make in the header.
@doppelgreener Can you rephrase this sentence?
 
@ThomasMarkov Why would the rule state that being proficient is required for certain difficulties if it had already just assumed you were proficient?
 
The player (the one trained) doesnt "use scores" in any context, the DM sets the DC.
 
@ThomasMarkov "Are these the scores I'm supposed to apply to a trained individual trying to do the thing, or to an untrained individual?" And, implicitly, there may be different scores to apply to the group this is not for.
 
4:43 PM
Ah, I see.
You're definitely not supposed to use different DCs for proficient and non proficient characters, if thats what you think is being asked.
That would defeat the point of proficiency. The difficulty is already offset by having a proficiency bonus.
 
I thought of a way to re-explain what I'm explaining
 
@ThomasMarkov Yes, that's the answer I would write as well—and that being better at it is baked into getting +N to the roll.
 
@doppelgreener I am understanding you now.
 
So my understanding here is that Doppel, Medix, and I think this is three different questions.
So maybe it could use some clarification.
 
4:50 PM
@SeriousBri Would a different way to phrase your question be as follows?: “Do I apply these scores when they're trained, or untrained, or both? Is there a different set of scores or an adjustment I should be using when someone's trained/untrained?" — doppelgreener 26 secs ago
 
@doppelgreener Im pretty sure this is not the question Medix answered.
Okay, I think Im with Medix, I think it means "Does easy mean easy for proficient or easy for non proficient"
 
I think @Medix2 answered this question as well, just not directly to that phrasing. You use the same scores no matter what. These are the scores you give to a nonproficient person. The proficient person also gets these scores, their proficiency is what gives them an advantage.
@ThomasMarkov Oh, yeah, that's a decent way to look at it
I guess it's just: easy is objectively easy (somehow), but how easy you find it depends on your proficiency, with "no proficiency" actually making it kinda difficult.
 
@doppelgreener yeahhhhhhhhhh
Now youre speaking my language
 
@doppelgreener <-- @Medix2 @ThomasMarkov FYI SeriousBri updated to use this phrasing.
 
And I dont think Medix has the right answer anymore.
Cuz I think their answer was for a different question :/
 
5:00 PM
hence the pingaling
well i guess hence the thonk actually
 
should we rollback and have them submit a new Q
 
Proficiency only goes up to +6
but sometimes 12.
@NautArch Do you also think it is now a different question?
 
@ThomasMarkov I do
 
no, it's just the same question, they're clarifying it
 
The clarifying made it a substantively different question than it was before
 
5:02 PM
exactly one person has answered it and it'll be easy enough to update to respond to this phrasing
y'all, don't build a mountain out of a molehill here
you asked for clarification, you got it
it was never a designer intent question to begin with
 
Then @Medix2 Needs to update their answer. I'm still not a fan of moving goalpost questions once any answer comes in.
 
Medix2 understood the question as how to apply the DC tables to begin with
It's not a moving goalpost
Sometimes the answer being clarified requires to rephrase, that's all that's happening
 
I'm not really sure I even need to change the answer, unless I'm misunderstanding the new form of the question as well
 
Here, I'll update it
 
@Medix2 Previous form of the question was "Does easy mean easy for proficient or easy for non proficient", which you answered. New form is "Do you apply a different DC to the same task when performed by proficient and nonproficient individuals", which you didnt answer.
 
5:07 PM
@Medix2 I think adding to it the direct answer about when to apply those DCs would be helpful.
 
Okay now youve answered both questions so I guess that works lol
 
@Medix2 Oops, we had an edit conflict.
I'll let you pick out how you'd like to settle that phrasing. 👍
 
I made an edit to Medix's answer as well.
 
@doppelgreener +3
 
@doppelgreener I dont know, when there is not an excess amount of work to be done, treating every question like a mountain seems like a viable quality control strategy.
When Ford produces a zillion cars a day, quality control uses sampling inspection, taking a small sample from parts lots to estimate the lot quality.
We are not Ford.
We are Ferrari.
 
5:20 PM
@ThomasMarkov We are, Penn State! (Just had a flashback to my sister's graduation ceremony at State College).
 
But what if I want to be Nimbus
 
We can treat every question like it's the most important question, because we don't have enough questions coming in to need to not do that.
@Medix2 Is that like the ferrari of unicycles?
 
I just wanted a random Unicycle brand tbh
 
The Stack system likes things to be neat and tidy, but the Stack system is a machine that doesn't really care about us and just wants content and people willing to create that content by its terms.
We're people trying to use this thing to communicate, and communication requires being willing to be a little messy and make some mistakes and correct ourselves along the way.
we're less like a car production line, because we're having to phrase all new things all the time. some of us are better at accomplishing it; most of us have gotten pretty decent. asking a question might be more like assembling a new piece of ikea furniture every time. if it's sort of like something we've done before, that'll help us, otherwise hoo boy
 
You are vastly underestimating how similar I am to a machine.
 
5:31 PM
are we not all, like, meat machines, man
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Anyway, I find our ability to phrase questions about something is proportionate to how well we understand the stuff we're dealing with and how much vocabulary we have been given for describing it
That means when we don't understand something and we don't have the vocabulary to describe what we don't understand, that makes phrasing a question much more difficult
The question might appear to change as we better find the words to describe it at all
 
I had a trainee at the gym whose nickname around the gym was The Machine
 
She was stronger than half the dudes
 
goals
 
6:24 PM
I don't think I ever noticed that certain DCs require proficiency.
 
anything over 25 requires proficiency unless the ability score is over 20
sitatuional bonuses notwithstanding
 
 
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10:05 PM
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Q: Does Wrath Of The Storm works with Mirror Image?

DanielI'm playing D&D 5th edition and I'm using a Cleric level 2 with Sorcerer level 9 as multi class. Could be a noob question (haha sorry) but if an enemy hit one of the my Mirror Images, does it trigger the Wrath Of The Storm (Cleric: Tempest Domain, level 1)?

 
10:25 PM
It fascinates me that the Stack and its users tend to treat answers as not just more "valuable content" than questions, but as harder to write. Because while answering requires specific expertise in a subject and the ability to effectively communicate about it, asking requires the ability to effectively communicate about something that we aren't an expert in and gosh but that's hard even when we're not also struggling to make it "stackable."
 
For questions I also have to worry about whether there is a duplicate, and I spend a lot of time looking for such a duplicate (especially on main meta) - which can be a problem since I don't always know which keywords would be used by others!
 
10:43 PM
rpg.stackexchange.com/q/190589/44723 I think there is dissonance about what requires a DC and the descriptors attributed. A DC 5 is "easy" in terms of tasks that require a DC, but most do not require a DC to begin with because you only roll when there are consequences. Most "easy" tasks are too easy to give an option to roll.
Ah I didn't see that Miva basically gave that answer.
 
@NautArch Ooh, is this "my" larger one to replace the 5e PHB's? Did someone have an adventure with it?
Or is it just a "turn into a sheep" reference?
 
11:14 PM
 
@bobble I don't look too too hard, because if anything I'm feeding the system another dupe target to funnel users towards a good answer.
 
That Q:A ratio is so massive largely because almost every question I've ever asked has been hair-pullingly frustrating to compose and then I often have to dramatically re-write it for people (often who have no knowledge of the subject or intent to learn) who want to close it because I didn't explain it to their satisfaction. Or I have to add increasingly blunt reminders that I did, in fact, ask the question I meant to ask and not the one people expect.
 
@BESW I feel that
 
@AncientSwordRage but I don't want my stuff to be closed :) My single closed Q across the network is one on main-meta which I had tried to search for for half an hour, posted the bug, and only later realized that it was due to a non-update in render and I should have looked for the last edited date... I felt so embarrassed.
 
I actually had someone come back and say "Oh, now I understand what you were asking. It seemed awfully simplistic before" and just. hi. if you think a question is too obvious or too simple maybe check that you're reading it right before giving a condescending "just quoting the rules I've clearly read" answer.
 
11:22 PM
@BESW it doesn't help that for some questions that's all that's needed
 
I've also gotten "just use narrative fiat" answers to questions that specifically say I know I could do that but would like to back it up with mechanics.
The Stack gives so much rep per vote for answers compared to questions that the risk-reward for answering recklessly is twice as good as the risk-reward for asking questions.
 
They reverted the Q vs A rep differences a while back.
 
That's a nice incremental change, then.
 
@bobble I definitely had a high percentage of my questions heavily edited when I first joined, and I strived... Strove? To improve on that
@BESW I recently posted a Q on Worldbuilding, and it's got a lot of very low effort answers given it's meant to 'science based'
@bobble wait... Was that retroactive?
 
@bobble And I hate it (on my home site, physics). The problem is that the stack model tries to fit extremely divergent topics and hence extremely divergent relationships between questions and answers into the same process.
 
11:30 PM
My first site, Puzzling, loved it - but was acutely aware that was because we were breaking the Q&A model in major ways. We requested it to be just us, as I recall.
 
@ACuriousMind Aye, one of the Biggest Lies in the Stack is that a Q&A model they designed for a very specific professional context is Universal Actually and can be applied to literally any subject in the world with minor soft policy accommodations. I'm on the record for repeatedly pointing and yelling at Meta itself as the gold standard for forcing the wrong solution onto a problem.
 
> As of today, we’re running it back. We’re changing the reputation earned from getting a question upvote to ten points, making it equal to the reputation earned from an upvote to an answer.

We’re recalculating reputation for every Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange individual based on this change. Every question upvote earned in the past will earn a value of ten reputation points retroactively.
(blog post, can't find an MSE announcement right now)
For when they originally moved from +10 to +5, see Should the weight of question upvotes be reduced?
 
> The idea was that this change would encourage people to focus on providing good quality answers rather than asking questions.
 
@BESW at least per-site metas don't have reptuation
 
[flails capslockily] WAS NOBODY INVOLVED IN THIS DECISION EVEN VAGUELY AWARE OF HOW HUMANS WORK
 
11:33 PM
I've never heard a good argument why the overlord meta has rep.
 
@ACuriousMind at least part of the reason is because the code treats it as a main site and a meta, and main sites have reputation.
 
@bobble that's not a reason, that's an excuse ;)
"the code just does it like this" is always code for "I don't want to put in the work to change it" if a developer says it and "we don't consider this important" if a customer-facing person says it
 
They halved the risk of answering sloppily and thought that would make people answer more carefully instead of more frequently? And it took them nine years to figure out that they were getting the opposite effect of what they wanted? That's just... who in the world takes nine years to check if a major change is doing what you wanted it to?
The Stack's self-contented lack of self-reflection and self-awareness is probably one of its greatest obstacles to achieving its own goals.
 
11:50 PM
Another Puzzling-centric thing that's been requested (but would probably benefit other places as well) is a bounty or bounty-adjacent feature for rewarding exceptional questions - because good questions take a lot of effort, and on Puzzling, exceptionally well-crafted puzzles can be true works of art.
Currently, we get around that by having people answer their own puzzles with write-ups of how they made it, or awarding bounties to unrelated answers.
 

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