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How does he summon all those fish? Or is it divination that he knows where they'll be?

Spells so far:
Cure Wounds
Control Weather
Water Walk
Create Food and Water
Prestidigitation
Thaumaturgy
Raise Dead
Greater Restoration
Lesser Restoration?
Remove Curse
Banishment

Religious differences aside, we could have him worship the concept of goodness

and banishment (he banishes a few evil spirits)

he's clearly an Eberron cleric. Just believing is good enough

8:02 PM

Yeah lesser restoration is a must, blindness is on lesser

Detect/Protection from Evil and Good

Oh definitely

Charm Person
Suggestion

@G.Moylan Curse.

"Come, follow me"

8:04 PM

Cursing the fig tree is one of the miracles of Jesus in the Gospels. It is included in the gospels of Mark and Matthew. In Mark's text it comes in two parts: in the first, just after the Triumphal entry into Jerusalem and before the Cleansing of the Temple, Jesus curses a fig tree for being barren; in the second part, the next day, the tree has withered, prompting Jesus to speak of the efficacy of prayer. Matthew presents these occurrences as a single contiguous event. == The text in Mark and Matthew == Mark 11:12–14 and 11:20–25 (NIV): The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry...

also Bless

Ceremony

@Yuuki In which Jesus preaches the virtues of Capitalism by showing that any worker that has outlived their usefulness no longer has a right to live.

Coin in the fish's mouth

The coin in the fish's mouth is one of the miracles of Jesus, recounted in the Gospel of Matthew 17:24–27.In the Gospel account, in Capernaum the collectors of the two-drachma temple tax ask Peter whether Jesus pays the tax, and he replies that he does. When Peter returns to where they are staying, Jesus speaks of the matter, asking his opinion: "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own children or from others?" Peter answers, "from others," and Jesus replies: "Then the children are exempt. But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake (the Sea of Galilee...

Not sure what this one would be.

Your worth to society is only proportional to your ability for society to extract value from your labor.

@G.Moylan I attributed that to his high Charisma; is he bewitching them

8:06 PM

Divination of some sorts? He tells Peter that the next fish he catches will have a coin in its mouth.

#BibleLessons

Updated Spells so far:
Cure Wounds
Control Weather
Water Walk
Create Food and Water
Prestidigitation
Thaumaturgy
Raise Dead
Greater Restoration
Lesser Restoration
Remove Curse
Banishment
Curse
Bless
Ceremony
Detect Evil and Good
Protection from Evil and Good

@Yuuki Augury?

I don't get the HNQ.

Transfiguration of Jesus

The transfiguration of Jesus is an event reported in the New Testament when Jesus is transfigured and becomes radiant in glory upon a mountain. The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 17:1–8, Mark 9:2–8, Luke 9:28–36) describe it, and the Second Epistle of Peter also refers to it (2 Peter 1:16–18). It has also been hypothesized that the first chapter of the Gospel of John alludes to it (John 1:14).In these accounts, Jesus and three of his apostles, Peter, James, John, go to a mountain (the Mount of Transfiguration) to pray. On the mountain, Jesus begins to shine with bright rays of light. Then the prophets...

Silent Image?

Still need astral projection

or some other way to revive himself

8:10 PM

Alternately, we could just replace all of these with Divine Intervention.

Jesus only has one ability but he's really good at it.

Lol

Lol he gets 20 uses per long rest

Updated Spells so far:
Cure Wounds
Control Weather
Water Walk
Create Food and Water
Prestidigitation
Thaumaturgy
Raise Dead
Greater Restoration
Lesser Restoration
Remove Curse
Banishment
Curse
Bless
Ceremony
Detect Evil and Good
Protection from Evil and Good
Astral Projection?
Silent Image?
Augury?

ugh now to sort these

Is there a time frame during which a question is not eligible for the HNQ here?

vicky_molokh

Some number of hours, maybe 8?

Wrigglenite

I think it's 8 hours across the network

8:19 PM

@williamporter Did he revive himself? Or was he revived by some other entity?

@G.Moylan (small correction, it is bestow curse)

ah

And it might be actual divintation instead of augury. Explains all the random fish knowledge

I'll edit. I'm compiling everything together

> Your magic and an offering put you in contact with a god or a god's servants. You ask a single question concerning a specific goal, event, or activity to occur within 7 days

> Cleric Variant. You may use your Divine Intervention feature at will. If it works, you only need to wait for a Short Rest before using it again. You gain this feature at level 1, and you no longer have the Spellcasting feature.

8:21 PM

@Xirema That is actually impossible to balance

@DavidCoffron As expected of a literal Demigod. ;)

@Xirema In all honesty he's probably just a celestial using monster rules rather than PC rules (but the spell list is still important)

@DavidCoffron I think technically Jesus is an Aasimar.

> They are descended from humans with a touch of the power of Mount Celestia

hmm... seems fitting

V2Blast

lol

8:24 PM

Jesus
Variant Human _ Cleric 15, _ Bard 4
12/12/11/10/14/16
Expertise in Religion, Insight
Proficient in History, Carpenter's Tools

Updated Spells so far:
**Cantrips**
Prestidigitation
Thaumaturgy
**1st Level**
Bless
Ceremony
Cure Wounds
Detect Evil and Good
Protection from Evil and Good
Silent Image?
**2nd Level**
Lesser Restoration
**3rd Level**
Bestow Curse
Create Food and Water
Remove Curse
Water Walk
**4th Level**
Banishment
Divination
**5th Level**
Greater Restoration
Raise Dead
**6th Level**

@DavidCoffron In truth, Jesus isn't a Cleric, he's a Wizard that specializes in Pescamancy.

crap, formatting

It doesn't work in multi-line things

proof

darn

we have some room in the spells department

I'm trying to figure out if he deserves tongues. We know the holy spirit can cause people to speak in tongues, and he is born of the holy spirit...

Thomas Aquinas says no, if that is meaningful

8:29 PM

He's got to take at least Cleric 17 to get his 9th level slot, right?

> He explained that Christ did not have this gift because his mission was to the Jews, "nor does each one of the faithful now speak save in one tongue"; for "no one speaks in the tongues of all nations, because the Church herself already speaks the languages of all nations"

@G.Moylan Well, Bard levels will get him there. He won't have 9th level spells, but he'll have the full range of slots.

@G.Moylan Yeah. Otherwise can't learn 9th level spells

Cleric 17/bard 3 is required if he needs a 9th level spell. Otherwise Jesus might be as low as level 18 (C15/B3)

so far he doesn't really need 9th-level. Not yet, anyway

But the additional slots he gets might be necessary with all those 3rd-levels

@G.Moylan Idts. He doesn't do all the things in the same day. They are all on the cleric list and can be prepared except prestidigitation (which he can learn from bard levels)

8:33 PM

oh yeah I forgot Clerics worked like that

Been stuck in Sorcerer-land lately

Plus divination gives him a way to get a general idea of what spells he'll need

or rather Sorc6/Wiz1, because reasons

@DavidCoffron !!

Protector Aasimar might be the more correct race, gives +2 Cha, +1 Wis and the flavor is almost exact

> celestial origin, an aasimar is mortal

Jesus is a Divine Soul Sorcerer, CMV

@Xirema Oh yeah. That's a thing

That has to be right

That gives him access to all these cleric spells

And I like the thought that at any time he could've "manifest[ed] a pair of spectral wings from [his] back.

As a level 15 sorcerer, he gets enough Known Spells to cover all the cleric ones on our list

8:39 PM

@DavidCoffron He has to choose spells then, though he can mess with his spells known

Q: Can you use the Twinned Spell Metamagic on Greater Invisibility?

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Jeremy Crawford clarified in the 19/JAN/2017 Sage Advice segment of the Dragon Talk podcast that a spell targets something if it affects that thing. The Twinned Spell Metamagic states: When you cast a spell that targets only one creature and doesn’t have a range of self... Emphasis mine I ...

@G.Moylan And he gets Metamagic for Subtle spell (so he doesn't have to speak for some of his healings)

hoo boys those are coming through HNQ now

@DavidCoffron perfect

what kind of bard is he?

or does he take Magic Initiate Bard?

@G.Moylan I was thinking Glamour for Mantle of Inspiration

I suppose he needs the level sfor the Inspiration and the Expertise

8:41 PM

He needs actual bard levels for those Expertises

He would also get Bless for free if he picks Lawful for his DS alignment

@G.Moylan I think he is def good. The whole point of his sermons were to say that he is going more on the ieda of "just be good" than to follow the OT laws

indeed

(which give shim cure wounds, one of his go-to miracles)

so Cure Wounds then

yeah that makes sense

8:44 PM

Hrm. Does aberrant dragonmark give any char the ability to cast the chosen spells?

Incoming paste of what we have so far

Jesus
Variant Human Divine Soul Sorcerer 15, Glamour Bard 4
STR 12|DEX 12|CON 11|INT 10|WIS 14|CHA 16
Expertise in Religion, Insight
Proficient in History, Carpenter's Tools

Spells so far:
Cantrips
-Prestidigitation
-Thaumaturgy
1st Level
-Bless
-Ceremony
-Cure Wounds (free with Divine Soul)
-Detect Evil and Good
-Protection from Evil and Good
-Silent Image?
2nd Level
-Lesser Restoration
3rd Level
-Bestow Curse
-Create Food and Water
-Remove Curse
-Water Walk
4th Level
-Banishment
-Divination
5th Level

I like that he also gets sorcery points. As a Sorc 15 he'd also get 4 metamagic options. Obviously Subtle Spell, but what else?

@G.Moylan - Wouldn't you get ASI's to push up some of those stats?

@JohnP He put them into feats. That's what parables are, right?

@JohnP IDK how @DavidCoffron set that up

@Yuuki slams head on desk

Mark Wells

@Yuuki I think that's Gate, since he pulls two guys out of heaven to visit.

8:51 PM

Wait, Disguise Self?

@G.Moylan 3 ASIs from sorcerer 15 (20 Cha and 16 Wis by the end)

no feats?

2 feats total, 1 from Variant Human and 1 from Bard 4

which are what?

uh

8:53 PM

I'm looking at the list, there's nothing that jumps out at me

Inspiring Leader maybe?

o that's a good one. Durable? lol

He did take quite a beating before his crusifixtion for a sorcerer

Resilient or Observant are candidates, as well

Oh wait! you want proficiency in whips. Gotta grab Weapon Master

8:55 PM

Linguist? That whole speaking in tongues thing?

@DavidCoffron he doesn't need proficiency in whips to wield one

@JohnP Apparently Jesus never did

I don't remember him ever actually dealing damage with the whip.

So lack of proficiency makes sense.

26 mins ago, by David Coffron

> He explained that Christ did not have this gift because his mission was to the Jews, "nor does each one of the faithful now speak save in one tongue"; for "no one speaks in the tongues of all nations, because the Church herself already speaks the languages of all nations"

Mark Wells

@Yuuki The whip was an improvised weapon.

8:57 PM

So definitely Inspiring Leader, and we're left to choose one of the following:
Resilient, Tough, Durable, Observant

@G.Moylan Or go aasimar instead of variant human

interesting concept

those stats would definitely change

and he'd gain a spell, wouldn't he?

@G.Moylan He would get light

Q: Can you twin the Light cantrip?

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This question is very similar to my previous question here, and is more what I was originally trying to ask. Jeremy Crawford clarified in the 19/JAN/2017 Sage Advice segment of the Dragon Talk podcast that a spell targets something if it affects that thing. The Twinned Spell Metamagic states: ...

dnd-5e metamagic targeting

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Q: What specifically counts as "anything" in spell text?

Inspired by this answer to this question about greater invisibility, it occurred to me that certain readings of the spell don't make sense, specifically in relation to this comment. Is it clarified anywhere in any of the official rulebooks if the word anything includes anyone, or if it just rela...

dnd-5e spells

Too bad there isn't a half celestial option.

9:00 PM

@G.Moylan The new stats (with Protector Aasimar) would be 12/12/11/10/15/16 and the ASIs lead to 12/12/11/10/17/20

Also means that Jesus has two ways to gain wings

ok here we are:

Jesus
Aasimar Divine Soul Sorcerer 15, Glamour Bard 4
STR 12|DEX 12|CON 11|INT 10|WIS 17|CHA 20
3 ASIs, 2 Feats: Inspiring Leader, ??

Expertise in Religion, Insight
Proficient in History, Carpenter's Tools

Spells so far:
Cantrips
-Light (from Aasimar)
-Prestidigitation
-Thaumaturgy
1st Level
-Bless
-Ceremony
-Cure Wounds (free with Divine Soul)
-Detect Evil and Good
-Protection from Evil and Good
-Silent Image?
2nd Level
-Lesser Restoration
3rd Level
-Bestow Curse
-Create Food and Water
-Remove Curse

@G.Moylan Oh, I thought that first line was a complaint towards all the wild mass guessing we've been doing and how long the statblock is now.

lol

@G.Moylan Only the 1 feat unless you push to sorcerer 16 (1 of the two feats was from variant human)

@DavidCoffron ah gotcha I've corrected for next paste :P

9:10 PM

Is Inspiring Leader the equivalent of PF's Leadership?

@williamporter No no no

He should have the equivalent

Cause followers

> You can spend 10 minutes inspiring your companions, shoring up their resolve to fight. When you do so, choose up to six friendly creatures (which can include yourself) within 30 feet of you who can see or hear you and who can understand you. Each creature can gain temporary hit points equal to your level + your Charisma modifier. A creature can't gain temporary hit points from this feat again until it has finished a short or long rest.

@williamporter There isn't an equivolent

ah

Has there really not been a question on whether bards can use their voices as a chosen instrument? My quick search turned up nothing.

Many Bardic abilities offer "music or oration" as options, and I'd figure that singing could qualify as both. BUT, a singing voice isn't listed as an instrument on the list of 21 instruments on D&D Beyond

9:13 PM

@G.Moylan They can use it for their features, but not as a spellcasting focus

@DavidCoffron right since that must be an instrument

We've only got 16 of jesus' 24 spells. He had some other things up his sleaves

howdy

Q: What counts as a bardic focus?

9:29 PM

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Inspired by this question: Can a multi-class spellcaster have one thing be two different focuses? The PHB, on p54 says: Spellcasting focus You can use a musical instrument (found in chapter 5) as a spellcasting focus for your bard spells. And yet on p53, the PHB in the introductory desc...

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Q: Does a kenku bard need an instrument, or can they use Mimicry for one?

I'd like to play a Kenku Bard in Adventurer's League, one raised by bards since a young age to hopefully become a master of the Bardic arts through copying many other skilled bards. One thought that also came up though: Would he need an instument? The PHB states about bard magic: In the wor...

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@BESW Yeah, by RAW, vocal mimicry does not qualify as a Musical instrument. but I'd allow it in my (non-AL) game!

In D&D 3.5, bardic musical instruments were very lax; I once had a bard with Perform (lausavísa).

The primary push in 3.5 and 4e to use a traditional physical instrument was, those were the kinds of instruments you could get magical versions of. It was hard to enchant your voice to give you bonuses.

@BESW yeah those two were really the only relevant questions I found

@BESW but surely Marv the Magnificent, the greatest Tenor in the Land, would have found a way

9:44 PM

(a lausavísa is a specific kind of short poem, improvised on the spot, to comment on what's happening at the moment.)

@BESW speaking in a poetic structure or particular meter could easily be likened to reciting a spell formula

I also had a bard who was invisible and inaudible without it affecting her effectiveness in any way.

Beat Poet bard?

Aside: We had an Arcanist in Rolemaster who used to go Invisible, and Insubstantial, and "walk" sideways through walls, just their (unseen) head poking out ... until botched a spell, fell unconcious, and Insubstantial spell ran out ...

> And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possessed me then,
And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day..."

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V2Blast

@BlackSpike brilliant

9:52 PM

(And similar to we were discussing earlier, it took the party ages to notice ... "Where's the Arcanist?" .. "Oh, he's around somewhere. Invis. Hiding. He'll shout if he needs help " ... DEAD!)

("What's this strange wet red patch on the wall?")

@BESW I went full avant-garde/Zen with Perform (one hand clapping).

We play Cyber/Gutter-punk. Can "Rockerboy/girl forego a musical instrument? YES!
I'd love to see a player choose "Punk-Poet" as a skill, or even a Role! :D

@G.Moylan Character sheet

10:10 PM

@BESW THIS. IS. NECESSARY.

@DavidCoffron excellent

> They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!

We're probably playing a Rolemaster variant next ... I'll see if beat-poet works :)

@BESW god I need to listen to that now

@G.Moylan I saw them in concert in May and I am SO excited for their album this fall

Tool- Disgustipated

►

Nobody anybody knows ever comes here for concerts.

I ripped all my albums onto my work computer so I have them in Spotify, here, too.

@BESW I did have to travel 4 hours for it but that isn't too bad by comparison to some, I suppose

10:14 PM

Hah, 8 hours flight due East gets me to Hawaii.

I ripped all my albums onto our home server ... which is currently off-line :(

Kevin Locke performed here, that was really cool.

But the chances of anyone else except @Ash having heard of Kevin Locke before...

user15026

I do know who that is, so I understand the coolness!

Q: How can an inexperienced GM keep a game fun for experienced players?

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Along the same lines as this question from a players perspective, I am interested in possibly running a game for some friends and co-workers, where they have much more experience in gaming than I do in modern systems, especially mechanics based systems such as the proposed 5e campaign (Most likel...

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11:00 PM

Jeez I think I finally got all my thoughts in order on that Nystul's Magic Aura question. We'll see what happens when we hit HNQ

have a good weekend folks

Q: How does the 'five minute adventuring day' affect class balance?

11:23 PM

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In the basic rules the The Adventuring Day is described as follows: Assuming typical adventuring conditions and average luck, most adventuring parties can handle about six to eight medium or hard encounters in a day. If the adventure has more easy encounters, the adventurers can get through m...

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V2Blast

11:37 PM

Kevin Locke (musician)

Kevin Locke (Lakota name: Tȟokéya Inážiŋ, meaning "The First to Arise"; born 1954) is Lakota (Hunkpapa band) and Anishinaabe. He is a preeminent player of the Native American flute, a traditional storyteller, cultural ambassador, recording artist and educator. He is most known for his hoop dance, The Hoop of Life. == Biography == Born on June 23, 1954 in Southern California, at the age of five years Locke moved north with his family, later to settle in South Dakota on the Standing Rock Reservation in 1966. It was from his mother, Patricia Locke, his uncle Abraham End-of-Horn, mentor Joe Rock Boy...

> Kevin Locke is Lakota and Anishinaabe. He is a preeminent player of the Native American flute, a traditional storyteller, cultural ambassador, recording artist and educator. He is most known for his hoop dance, The Hoop of Life.

(I had to google it)

Yup, that guy.

Oh. Not the kiwi rugby player?