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7:00 PM
@KorvinStarmast also alliterative!
 
I'm definitely not trying to kill your fun if that's how you want to do things, it just seems weird to me that someone could have fun doing things that way, you know?
 
@KorvinStarmast fearie fire does though right? (That Dex save DC is really rough to get creatures to fail)
 
@DucksGoMooful That's fair. Try flipping around the perspective - Imagine someone arguing that players must minmax in order to have fun.
 
@Rubiksmoose checking text ....
 
But I also think there's a difference between minmaxing and being competent at your class, no?
Like there's a reason you need a certain ability score minimum to multiclass, right?
 
7:02 PM
They can still prepare and cast wizard spells.
@DucksGoMooful Let's not bring things like "reason" into the D&D design philosophy
 
@DucksGoMooful There's definitely a lot of grey area between min-maxed and min-mined?
 
cough Beast master cough
 
@Rubiksmoose @Ryan OOps, forgot, Faerie Fire has a save
@MikeQ When I look at what they did for the Artificer pets in UA, and then return to the Beast Master original, I want to throw some yogurt on the devs' hair ...
@Ryan Magic Missile always hits, no save.
 
@DucksGoMooful oh that multiclass is a good and valid point. Ill change the scores to meet the 13 minimum for multiclass as though its a requirement to be a wizard in general
that or I'd have to switch to Warlock which is more how its done in 1st edition, rolling the die and then determining what class you qualify for
and why most everyone ends up a fighter
or Fighting Man as it were
 
@DucksGoMooful However, you are probably correct that the game's design assumes that characters have the necessary ability scores to support their own builds. That's how NPCs are set up, anyway.
 
7:08 PM
could switch Int with Str or Con to meet the 13 requirement while still respecting the die
 
@KorvinStarmast A nasty one too. Too many creatures have a good Dex...
 
@Ryan str swap makes the most sense for a sage ...
(Also, low con is punitive for concentration spells ...)
 
yeah honestly im more bummed about the high charisma than the low int. trying to figure out a way to do away with that :(
I just played a Bard. I dont want to be the charismatic guy again
 
Hey, why not be good looking! :)
Then be a congenital liar.
 
@Ryan sorcerer
 
7:11 PM
Deception to the hilt :)
 
High charisma means your wizard will be good at self-deception
 
@Ryan Or did I mean pathalogical liar?
Right, a politician ... evil grin
Heh, Used Wagon Salesman ...
Used spell component salesman ,,,,
"This is pre owned bat guano ..."
 
@Ryan or, if you are already committed to swapping something, you could just swap CHA and INT.
 
"These cricket legs were so good, my jump spell approximated low orbital space flight!"
 
that doesnt respect the die roll at all going from lowest to highest on my most important stat
 
7:14 PM
Pre Owned spell component sales: I love the concept
 
@Ryan Right yeah. I didn't know what your line was. Just offering a thought there.
 
im just leaving the 17 charisma
 
@Ryan That's why I proposed the str swap in terms of sage/RP, but you do what your gut tells you
 
Str: 8, Dex: 14, Con: 13, Int: 13, Wis: 10, Cha: 17 -- Tiefling Wizard from the school of evocation
 
ta da!
 
7:15 PM
@Ryan Right on! (And he paid his way through college as a used spell component salesman?)
 
@Ryan Looks good! I really do hope you have fun with it.
Make sure to let us know how it turns out :)
 
"This gold fish here, and this pearl, helped me identify a cursed ring of marriage!"
Yours for a mere 45 gold pieces ....
 
@KorvinStarmast what are you implying?
 
Question for the room: was this a successful brain storm, or just a lot of brain farts?
 
@KorvinStarmast Why not both
 
7:18 PM
always successful!
 
@MikeQ Indeed, it could be both
 
d20
 
see look 16/20 successful
 
@goodguy5 That the used spell component salesman will say anything to make a sale.
Woot!
 
7:27 PM
@GcL regarding your answer's #6 wouldn't it be 60 feet above the ground in game terms? The square you start in is 0 feet above the ground and you move 60 feet straight up. Or am I missing something?
 
@Rubiksmoose Yeah, how many g's do you pull doing that maneuver? 8^D
 
@KorvinStarmast Not enough to matter in D&D physics :)
 
@KorvinStarmast approximately Yikes! amount of gs
 
@JohnP Actually, I think the answer is "about as many g's as the average elevator ride, if not a bit less"
60' in 6 seconds isn't all that rough of a ride
 
@KorvinStarmast hah!
Everyone here is looking at me weird because I'm playing "Room where it happens" from Hamilton during our PI planning meetings :D :D :D
 
7:31 PM
@KorvinStarmast assuming all that movement happens over 6 seconds yeah it wouldn't be that bad.
 
Snort Philistines!
 
@KorvinStarmast I remember the last time my back was giving me a lot of trouble, when the elevator went up, I had to bend my knees until the elevator stopped again and gave the reduced g's
 
@goodguy5 From my back problems, I'd say the trick is to have the knees slightly flexed before the vator starts moving ....
.. weight on balls of feet
 
@KorvinStarmast it was the extra fractional g's on my back that was hurting it.
 
YMMV, and I suppose it depends on the class of back problem. They do vary
I"ve had L5 problems for years, but my dad's upper back problems had very different side effects ...
 
7:34 PM
@goodguy5 I bet you like rap music because of the O.Gs.
 
@KorvinStarmast I'm getting an mri tomorrow! I'm excited about it.
 
@goodguy5 good luck! I've got multiple herniated discs, its not very fun but I've gotten used to it
 
that's my guess
 
the MRI I got gave me a cool CD with 3d images I could rotate and pan around and stuff
 
@goodguy5 Best wishes! The MRI I got in 89 helped them correctly diagnose and then correct back issues. crosses fingers
 
7:43 PM
anyhow Shocking Grasp vs Chill Touch for last cantrip slot--leaning Shocking Grasp
 
@Ryan Why not roll a 1d2 to decide for you
 
d2
guess that doesnt work
 
d4
 
was it odds/evens or highs/lows?
 
7:44 PM
gotta specify before you roll :P
 
your choice
doesn't chill touch actually have a range, despite its name?
whereas shocking grasp is indeed touch range?
 
ah think ill just take Shocking Grasp. I dont know that i trust those Necromancers
 
GcL
@Rubiksmoose Are you asking why 65 in the example?
 
@GcL ah I see. Nvm I knew I was missing something dumb.
 
chill touch is "spooky skeleton hand appears and grabs someone within range
 
7:47 PM
yeah its mostly for zombies to stop the health recovery
 
very contradictory name, yeah
 
very important in 1st edition where you always fight zombies or orcs
 
@DucksGoMooful There's at least a handful of very poorly named spells in 5e.
 
> Wizard: Casts *Find Familiar*
DM: You don't have a familiar, so you don't find anything.
 
lol
 
7:51 PM
so many spells to deal with as a Wizard lol
i might have to buy one of those deck things
 
5th Edition Spellbook is a good android app, if you'd consider an electronic way to keep track
 
> Chill Touch: You reach out, place a hand on your target's shoulder, look up and into their eyes and whisper in a deep voice, "Hey."
 
Sep 18 '18 at 20:41, by Mike Q
Turn Undead: You become undead
 
The worst genie
 
Turn dead: the past tense of turn
 
7:57 PM
@MikeQ I'm like 50% sure that's actually a thing in Nethack.
Clerics do have the ability to Turn undead but if you try to use the #turn command for some other class, you actually become undead.
 
> Tongues: You gain +1d4 extra tongues
 
> Roll on the Tongues table to see how many tongues you gain
 
@DucksGoMooful and what type
Grease: you become greasy
Geas: you summon a flock of angry, territorial birds
2
 
@DucksGoMooful And where you growthem
 
> Bane: A respirator appears on your face
 
8:03 PM
@Yuuki it will be extremely painful
 
:\ im so bad at making these decisions. I only really want Burning Hands and Grease. Guess Ill take Tenser's Floating Disc and Colorspray just because of how iconic they are
 
@SirCinnamon for you
 
> Identify: Enameled growths sprout from your eyes
 
> Firebolt
Components: M (crossbow, bolt)
 
> Ray of Sickness: You conjure a blind black musician in the middle of a coughing fit.
 
8:06 PM
animal Shapes: you conjure a box of animal cookies
Bigby's Hand: a severed hand appears before you. Whomever Bigby was, he's likely unhappy with you now.
 
> Searing Smite: A chosen target is pelted with freshly-grilled steaks
 
Druids take additional damage on that last one
oooh i completely forgot I wanted to use XGE spells. theres a lot of fun ones over there
 
Chaos Bolt: a bolt or screw you can see within range refuses to behave, and will magically become unfastened and out of place, despite anyone's best efforts
 
XGtE makes the wizard spell list so huge
It's ridiculous
> Hunter's Mark: Hunter calls in his best friend Mark for backup
 
Fire Bolt, Control Flames cantrips for the pyro in me
 
8:11 PM
> Pass Without Trace: You receive a C on your next test but any friends named Trace will drop the class.
2
 
> Pass without Trace: You graduate your Art class without resorting to artistic dishonesty
 
> Pass without Trace: You immediately die. Your corpse, and any evidence of your existence, ceases to exist.
 
> Pass Without Trace: If there are no creatures named Trace within 10 ft, you fart.
 
Weird: you are now weird. Weirdo.
 
> Blink: You are sent back to the late '90s, surrounding by web pages.
> Call Lightning: "Yeah, who's this?"
> Counterspell: You know exactly how many spells were cast by a female target.
 
8:16 PM
oh man, rest in peace <marquee>
 
> Dominate Person
Components: V, S, M (whip, ropes, or similar binding)
I'm not sorry for that one
 
aww now i want too many things. Gotta decide between Mage Hand and Shape Water. Both are so fun and versatile
 
Shadow of Moil: A man appears to perform a brit milah
 
> Commune with Nature: You and up to 10 other creatures create an eco-friendly egalitarian society
 
Vis-a-vis shape water: a 5x5x5 foot cube of ice is definitely enough to hold a normal weight humanoid
you can create two of those at a time, and at any point can melt them as an action
 
8:23 PM
yep instant river crossing
though if its deep the cube will be floating on the top
 
> Commune with Nature
> Components: V, S, M (a copy of Das Kapital)
 
right but it could easily function as a makeshift raft
and if you can trick an enemy into standing on it you have full dunking power
 
poison? looks like clear water to me! (shape water can also change water color)
 
Today's favorite Groaner ... a new spell on a scroll ... Scroll of Meatier Swarm: summons a whole lot of pork chops.
 
Shape Water is basically the Cryonis rune from Breath of the Wild
 
8:25 PM
both good, hard choice. SG can let you get out of melee by disabling Opportunityh Attacks if you score a hit
That lets you move away witout getting OA from that foe
My borhter always chose that cantrip with his wizards
 
yeah that was the main reason I was going with it until I remembered XGE. I dropped Shocking Grasp for Control Flames
 
Also a good choice
 
> Shocking Grasp: You reach out, place a hand on your target's shoulder, look up and into their eyes and whisper in a deep voice, "Hey."
 
Yuuki's looped back around
 
lol
 
8:28 PM
indeed
 
> Toll the Dead: Whenever a creature dies within 10 feet of you, you gain 1 gp
 
> Detect Thoughts: You can tell when you are thinking about something.
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> Divine Word: You reach out, place a hand on your target's shoulder, look up and into their eyes and whisper in a deep voice, "Hey."
> False Life: You realize you've been living a lie, quit your job, and buy a fancy new sports car.
 
> Fireball: A spicy cinnamon candy appears in your mouth.
 
@Ryan All right, people, let's do this one last time. My name is Yuuki...
 
@CTWind Fireball: roll a d20: on a roll of 11 or higher, a spicy cinnamon candy appears in your mouth. On a roll of 10 or lower, you become drunk on cinnamon whisky
 
8:37 PM
7
Q: Does PC weight have a mechanical effect?

Mage in the BarrelI noticed that weight is mentioned in race profiles and was wondering if that’s just fluff in the official materials or if it actually matters. I might ask my DM if I can write up a system for his home brew world that makes PC weight matter.

 
> Tiny Hut: You summon a legion of dwarves playing American football.
 
Fireball: (transmutation) turns a 5ft cube of water into Fireball whiskey. Anyone that drinks it must make a Constitution saving through or all skill scores are halved for one hour. Fireball whiskey may be used as Alchemist's Fire.
 
@V2Blast Uh, that's Mid Life Crisis
 
> Mind Blank: ...What?
> Fireball: Shots! Shots! Shots!
 
(settled on: Burning Hands, Grease, Tensers Floating Disc, Color Spray, Detect Magic, Identify)
 
8:39 PM
@V2Blast And that's how you end up replying to your wife at 2 in the morning when she's asking you where you've been ...
@Ryan Grease is the word ... do you get advantage on dancing checks?
 
with a charisma of 17 i better!
oh hey just got a reminder about the meetup tonight. looks like its Embers of Hate. Don't tell me what its about please
 
@KorvinStarmast I'm UnDeR <s>tHe InFlUeNcE</s> a MiNd BlAnK sPeLl
 
@Ryan Oh yeah, Evoker, the Musical, is the next smash on Broadway ....
 
aww linethrough
 
<s>tHe InFlUeNcE</s> extra space?
 
8:43 PM
nope
 
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A: Does Markdown have a way to express strikeout?

JezIt's rather inconsistent. In regular questions/answers, you can use <s>HTML tags</s> to get strikethrough text like this: <s>like this</s> In chat, you can surround text with --- to get strikethrough, but this doesn't work in regular questions/answers: ---strikethrough text---

 
maybe it's the staggered caps
 
magic
 
three hyphens on either side
 
oh unicode
 
8:44 PM
tHe InFlUeNcE
 
oh hyphens?
strikethrough
 
`---example---
 
huh
now I know
 
nolij is gud
 
8:46 PM
@KorvinStarmast It looks like you accidentally duplicated the end of your answer:
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A: Does PC weight have a mechanical effect?

KorvinStarmastCarrying another PC, speed reduction Depending on which version of the encumbrance rules your table is using, if you end up in a situation where one PC has to carry another PC (for example, when fleeing a horde of creatures when you are low on resources) then the weight will allow the DM and the...

 
> Protection from Good and Evil: You cannot be harmed by any creature whose alignment is both good and evil
 
Shape Water -- Cause humans to dehydrate by taking away their sweat
 
@MikeQ Protection from Good nand Evil: You cannot be harmed by any creature unless their alignment is good and evil
 
@MikeQ *Evil and Good :P
 
@V2Blast I cleaned up the rest of that. I was having browsewr grumpiness when I was adding the mule bit, and I guess it duplicated stuff ....
 
8:55 PM
@KorvinStarmast makes sense
 
Heh, dare I discuss carrying loot? *A standard coin weighs about a third of an ounce,
so fifty coins weigh a pound*
 
> Arcane Eye: You gain the ability to see wizards.
 
@KorvinStarmast more reason 1E was great. You had towns, and had to figure out ways to deal with weight. In 5E most people I've seen consider it a complete after thought. Oh another Great Axe, I'll take it says the Fighter already carrying a Cross Bow, a shield, a great sword, and 2 maces.. and 700g
 
@Ryan I mean you certainly can play 5e that way still.
(as in tracking weight and inventory)
I would agree that most groups that I've seen have moved away from it though.
 
Encumbrance logistics are logistically cumbersome.
 
9:01 PM
Yeah. Personally, not a fan at all.
 
@Rubiksmoose My only limit is if they're trying to lug around anvils and full barrels of mead and things like that
unless you have a magical way to transport that, you can't carry it in your belt pouch
 
@G.Moylan Oh yeah. You've got to have a bit of realism in there.
 
@Rubiksmoose I put the horse in my pocket!
 
No having 3 suites of full plate, etc.
 
@G.Moylan >.>
@Rubiksmoose yeah
 
9:03 PM
> I balance the anvil on my head as I walk around
 
@Rubiksmoose In my campaigns right now, there is always a city that the party frequent, so I just handwave that much of their loot is stored in some vault in some bank somewhere
 
the only downside is it DOES detract from fun scenarios where the party can find a treasure horde worth thousands of gold, but it's all in copper
 
I thought that was the upside for the GM
 
@DavidCoffron mhm mhm. That is a good way to do it.
Portable holes are also great.
 
Make the heroes return to finish looting
And have more enemies investigating what occurred
 
9:05 PM
I used to love tracking all those little things. As a player and DM.
 
@Rubiksmoose same with hunger
 
I buy some rations at the start of a game
and then never buy any more
 
@williamporter bingo
 
Paying lip service to carry capacity and hunger is the way to go
 
I mean for some.
 
9:07 PM
Just don't let the noodle armed wizard carry everything
 
I think I have a player or two that would totally go for tracking minutea
Some people like it, and all the power to them.
 
@williamporter I feel like bringing it up every once in a while when it is impactful is best for most groups I've GM'd. Like, "how do you plan to carry all the suits of armor you looted from the armory" or "what are you eating during this week long trek through the tundra"
Bring it up when it seems impactful, but just handwave it when it would slow down the game needlessly
 
@Rubiksmoose the tier 3 group I am in plays that way
 
Indeed, it only needs to be brought up when the players begin to loot the golden doorways and arches of the former palace come dungeon.
 
"I pocket the dungeon"
 
9:12 PM
steal the adamantine from the doors :P
 
@V2Blast just take the whole door
@G.Moylan put it on your house
 
The dungeon does not have a specified weight, therefore it is weightless and does not count against carry capacity
 
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Q: How to make a villain when your PCs are villains?

Bazza491The main premise of the campaign I am currently DMing is that the PCs need to level up to become powerful enough to take over the world. It's an open world(ish) campaign with a set end goal but no set way to get there. One problem I'm having with this though is that if I make the villain 'Evil' ...

 
@MikeQ There's no price, so it must be free
 
Dungeons are spherical cows in a frictionless vacuum.
 
9:20 PM
Edmond Dantes would not agree
 
@G.Moylan I have a player who's character agrees with that sentiment in one of my campaigns. He offers to buy anything he thinks he can upsell, and if the person says it's not for sale because it is "priceless", he always comments that he'll take it then, since it's "free"
@williamporter I've had players try to put life-size statues in their backpack. That took a conversation about how "realistic" we wanted to be
 
players are the worst
also DMs
 
also non-participants
 
9:36 PM
@G.Moylan This is the sort of joke retail workers hate because they hear it a million times a day
 
@V2Blast You say "the sort of joke". What are some other jokes of that sort? I could use a good groan
 
@DavidCoffron I'd rather not encourage them ;)
 
Always encourage bad puns
and then have them get pelted in game by a random tomato when they say one.
> Party is fighting a bear
> Player: "This seems like a *grizzly* situation"
> Me (GM): "A random tomato seemingly out of nowhere, lands on your characters face. Take 1d4 damage."
 
@williamporter voice from afar "booo!"
 
I've learned to cut them off
otherwise players will follow up with
"That was un*bear*able"
"Oh *bear* with it"
 
Ben
10:14 PM
Morning all
 
3
Q: Arcane Tradition and Cost Efficiency: Learn spells on level-up, or learn them from scrolls/spellbooks?

DucksGoMoofulEach Wizard's Arcane Tradition subclass gives them a "Savant" feature: Beginning when you select this school at 2nd level, the gold and time you must spend to copy a [school] spell into your spellbook is halved. As well as one or more features that affect or are affected by spells of that s...

 
hey there @Ben
 
Ben
There's a challenge for everyone - to test your ambidextrousness... Brush your teeth and your hair at the same time.
 
Extra challenge: Find two really good friends. Brush one's teeth and the other's hair at the same time.
Extra extra challenge: They don't need to be your friends.
 
Ben
@Shalvenay [wave]
 
10:21 PM
@Ben how're things going?
 
Ben
@Shalvenay Well, epilepsy medication is expensive, I can say that much :P
@MikeQ [Devious chuckle]
I just did it myself... And my normal vigorous side-to-side, up and down action became very stinted, and I normally comb my hair just straight back, bit there was a definite diagonal going on this time lol
 
@Ben yeah, don't get me started about drug prices. I blame the marketoids, myself, though (drug R&D is real, and really hard -- ask Derek Lowe about it -- but I think things would go better if there wasn't a marketing budget to siphon revenue away from reinvestment into R&D)
 
Ben
It's beyond me, so I'm not going to complain too much about it. My only advice is "don't get epilepsy" it's just easier that way. Hahaha
 
10:36 PM
hey there @BlackSpike, welcome to the RPG.SE lair :)
also @Ben -- now a good time to pick up where we left off the other day, or have you not given it any more thought?
 
Ben
I haven't, sorry. Been pretty tied up unfortunately. Have you maybe put some thought into it?
 
@Ben I had an idea in mind, but wanted to hear you out first :)
 
11:11 PM
Hey. Just dropping in to see what's what :)
 
@BlackSpike Hi!
 
Ben
This is an RPG chat room, but we probably talk about RPGs like, a tenth of the time. Haha
 
Just like at the game-table then! :)
 
Ben
Exactly haha.
 
Long-time lurker in the Android/Java Q&A boards, started interacting on RPG recently. Got me a bunch of Internet Points! YAY!
Ha. Just looking over "recent" posts here. Stealing doors from the Dungeon! We have a player who tries that EVERY time! We're playing cyber/gutter-punk, and every time they meet a Security Door, he's "How big? Can we take it with us?"
 
11:24 PM
@BlackSpike hahahaha....you'd think they'd have gotten around to welded-on fast-riveted hinges by then XD. "You'll need an angle grinder to get this door off..."
 
"but we can drill out the rivets, yes? Angle-grinder is now part of my standard load-out!"
 
Ben
 
"Hey, I have a sack or two. Load up that quicksand! It's gotta be worth -something-!"
 
@BlackSpike you do have a point about an angle grinder being a rather useful thing to have in one's thieves' tools, even if it's a bit noisy and destructive
 
Do they do a 'stealth' version?
 
11:28 PM
@BlackSpike not really XD
angle grinder attacks are speed attacks, basically
 
Ben
Lasers?
 
rip through the shackle/chain/hasp/... so fast that you're in and out before folks react
@Ben not really, still a giant sparky mess (if you've ever seen a laser cutter at work, you'll know what I mean)
 
Ben
True
That feeling when you get a tonne of upvotes on a question/answer... then some one downvotes it... :(
 
:( yeah, I got some of that on my 1st Answer! Still in profit, though
 
Ben
Oh yeah. I got an question with like 40+ upvotes, then someone dv'd it haha.
It's a good thing voting is anonymous.... :P
 
11:35 PM
Worse, though: Ask a question ... no comments, no answers, just 1 down-vote ... For why?
 
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Q: How could I create a situation in which a PC has to make a saving throw or be forced to pet a dog?

ZomaHere is how this question came up to me : I have a dog (IRL), and it's so cute that I'm pretty crazy about it (I guess like most dog owners). My players, which are also my friends, know that. I wanted to introduce something like an easter egg referring to it. I want to find a way to make them f...

 
Ben
That is a bit depressing though. You just wanna know? … Hello..?
 
Aug 25 '16 at 22:19, by BESW
It's been my observation that one downvote means "Take a look at what you can polish or re-focus, but otherwise just accept it as noise."
I feel very strongly that people shouldn't comment to explain downvotes if all they're gonna say is "I disagree."
There's no point to it, the downvote's already said that.
 
True. But sometimes I feel that downvotes (especially 1st one for a question) could -require- a comment?
 
11:41 PM
@BESW yeah... that's not really explaining it
 
@BESW is "I disagree" a legitimate reason to downvote something?
 
@BlackSpike That's been suggested and discussed a lot over on Meta Stack Exchange and ultimately the conclusion is that forcing comments, ever, is just going to result in bad comments which don't help improve the question.
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Ben
@BESW That's a good mantra. I just think that downvotes as a thing is rather loud. Negativity does stand out, regardless of it's validity.
 
@trogdor We can't force how people downvote and keep it anonymous, so... in practice, yes, it's a very common reason for downvoting.
Basically it's "I think you're wrong."
 
Mm
Fair enough
 
11:43 PM
And if an answer is just wrong, there's no useful comment which can be made because "fixing" the answer would mean writing a new one.
 
Downvotes on Questions, though ...
 
Ben
@BESW Could potentially point out why it's wrong?
 
What was wrong with it?
 
Yeah I definitely don't think you should need to comment for every downvote
That will get crazy fast
 
Ben
@BlackSpike IMO that's sort of like the "this is a bad question because the answer is obvious"
 
11:45 PM
Obvious to some ... :(
 
@Ben yeah, obvious sometimes isn't so obvious :P
 
@BlackSpike So, forcing a comment on a question downvote means that either you get bad comments because not everybody who knows a thing should be downvoted can explain the reason well... or you get people stopping downvoting. And given the nature of people online tends to be "talk" rather than "not talk," you just get trash comments.
 
Ben
@trogdor Very yes
 
Again, Meta Stack Exchange has these conversations.
 
Yeah ... just feels bad sometimes. The answer wasn't obvious to me, and I thought I'd asked a good/relevant/well-phrased question ... but this has probably been hashed-out back-stage since forever ...
 
11:47 PM
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Q: Why isn't providing feedback mandatory on downvotes, and why are ideas suggesting such negatively received?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog This question was originally from this Meta Stack Overflow question. While there are many posts related to this issue which get closed as duplicates of Encouraging people to explain downvotes, that question doesn't do a great job of adequately explaining to new users why this is always tu...

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Ben
@Shalvenay @BlackSpike Yeah, I once told someone about a feature on my phone that hadn't been working for a while, and they had the same thing on theirs, but had no idea it existed.
 
I hear ya. The Stack's not built for making people feel good, it's optimized for other priorities.
I would like to see a kinder, more compassionate version of the concept, but the Stack isn't that.
 
Ben
@BESW It's up to the community to do that :)
 
well. it is what it is.
Y'all playing any games? #rpg #onTopic :)
 
@Ben To the extent we're able, yes. But the design of the site itself, and the priorities of the people in charge of implementing and enforcing its design and policies, put a hard cap on users' capacity for curating the environment.
@BlackSpike Currently got a semi-regular group for cozy games. We've been playing Golden Sky Stories, but also want to play Do: Pilgrims of the Flying Temple and Bell Songs.
 
Ben
11:51 PM
@BESW Oh of course, yeah. Don't just "be nice" because the system has no emotions.
 
And I've got some systems I'm designing that will need playtesting eventually...
@Ben <insert rant about civility over compassion here>
 
@BESW I don't know them. Heard the name GSS
 
@BlackSpike in a couple groups here, working on putting folks together for a couple more in the demo/short-form here
 
@BlackSpike Currently in 4 games. playing in 3 D&D 5e games and GMing a pathfinder campaign. Welcome to the rpg lair btw, it's good to see new faces/names?
 
I pretend to run dark, gritty, life-is-cheap cyber/gutter-punk, and then let my players win, and give them all the l00tz :( trying to break that habit
 
Ben
11:53 PM
@BESW Also very yes hahaha
 
@BlackSpike Golden Sky Stories and Pilgrims of the Flying Temple are about young-ish characters trying to help people with their problems. In GSS you play magical animals that turn into children and assist people in distress in a small rural town. In Pilgrims you play teenagers answering distress calls as a way to discover themselves and their place in the world through service to others.
 
@BESW can't play kids any more. No idea what goes on in their heads. Just get of my damn lawn, with your "music" and your "fashion", why back in my day ...
 
Ben
@BlackSpike Got one 5e game, one Pathfinder, one Savage Worlds... constantly trying to set up a game in Dark Heresy haha
 
Bell Songs is about playing animal adventure/drama with lots of focus on friends and food and being Small in a Big World, with inspirations like Redwall and Mouse Guard.
 
We've got Dark heresy sitting in the background, waiting for a slot, but it never seems to be the right time
 
Ben
11:55 PM
@BlackSpike We had this very conversation just yesterday :P
@BlackSpike [interests piqued]
 
we did play a homebrew based off "Swallows and Amazons". Was fun, but hard work ...
 
I'm pretty much over grim/gritty/cynical games. If I play a dystopia I'm gonna be able to make it tangibly better, or h*ck that.
 
@BESW yeah -- that's probably why I don't touch things like that from a TTRPG standpoint either
 
I want games about how difficult but rewarding it is to be compassionate, and how service to others is a path to self-improvement.
 
@Ben DH is the WH40K inquisitor one? Mate has all the WartyK games. we played Rogue Trader but none of the others yet
 
11:58 PM
Sometimes that's a thing which manifests in the game's table-level interactions more than the diegesis, but I want it to be there for most of our games.
 
@BESW I often try to make my Dystopia games about that ... "Glimmer of Light, in the Darkness" kinda feel
 
Ben
@BlackSpike Yeah. We played some RT once. My character was/is a Techpriest
 
@Ben so was mine!
 
Ben
Praises to the Machine God
 
Praise the Omnissiah!
 

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