TRPG General Chat

12:00 AM

@BESW I'll concede that as a probability.

Between unconscious researcher bias for the meaty status quo and funding by groups with vested interest in the meat industry, it took a long time for American vegetarians to figure out what was really going on.

But in the meantime many vegetarians added tables and charts and tracking sheets and little scales to their daily meal prep.

Shalvenay

@BESW yeah, furthermore, they were operating on the cutting edge if you will, which leaves you open to one screwed-up study knocking everything for a loop, instead of having the benefits of meta-analyses and such

BESW

There were, of course, people who didn't do much critical thinking about the issue. There still are. I knew somebody five years ago who thought it was reasonable to replace meat with candy.

Shalvenay

@BESW :P you'd be better off going the other way around

ravery

@BESW lol, candy/sugar is a carb not a protein

BESW

12:04 AM

She seemed to think that meat was so bad anything was a better substitute. And there are also folks who think the only reason for a no-animal-product diet is because of extremist ethical beliefs.

ravery

much like the current trend to eliminate fat from school lunches. when cells walls are made from fatty acids

trogdor

@BESW that's definitely due in part to a lot of forms of media portraying it that way

Shalvenay

@BESW yeah -- the weird part about it is that when done right, animal husbandry is a pretty comfy life for livestock all in all, and we even have the know-how to get the EOL part right

BESW

I have to watch my cholesterol, which leads to eating habits nobody can label by observation because they tend to think of diets in terms of gross object choice rather than nutritional determination.

I'll eat pelagic fish but not reef fish, for example.

@Shalvenay There's also the eat-them-to-save-them movement for preserving rare breeds of farm animal.

Shalvenay

@BESW yeah, which has a flip-side in the "eat-them-to-save-the-rest-of-the-ecosystem" apex-predator approach to invasive species (lionfish for instance)

ravery

12:08 AM

@BESW eat you eggs with raw yolks. eggs yolks have an enzyme that breaks down cholesterol, but it is heat sensitive

BESW

There are lots of awesome varieties of food animal with cool histories and the potential for increasing food efficiency in different parts of the world, which are dying out because they aren't cost-effective for farmers because everybody's used to the Generic Cow Product and only wants that.

Shalvenay

@ravery I wonder how heat sensitive it is? if it'd survive a basted light or poached egg?

@BESW yeah -- look at how people freaked out in that horse-meat incident over in Europe

ravery

@Shalvenay poached yes, or sunny side up

BESW

@Shalvenay I follow some conservationist farmers on Twitter who keep unusual cow breeds.

Shalvenay

@BESW not something you have over there -- but if you had them, what would your posture on freshwater fish be?

@BESW cool stuff :)

BESW

12:10 AM

@Shalvenay We actually have tilapia farms!

Shalvenay

@BESW :) aquaculture definitely has some major upshots efficiency-wise

trogdor

Yeah you can even take a tour that includes them

BESW

Tilapia's okay. It's not as good as pelagic fish, but it's not as bad as reef fish.

Shalvenay

however, when I say freshwater fish, I'm talking freshwater catfish, walleye, that sort of thing

BESW

I'd have to look it up, I don't know their stats because it's never an issue.

Shalvenay

12:12 AM

sunfish/panfish and bass too, but those are more eaten as a side-effect of sport fishery

BESW

I wouldn't turn them away if served at a friend's house, I'm not fanatical about my choices, but I don't know if they're things I'd choose or not.

Shalvenay

@BESW ah.

BESW

My diet is a "where possible make good choices" thing. Stressing out about it is bad for my health too, and being rude isn't great either.

(If you don't eat meat OR fish here, you'll definitely offend the fiesta host.)

trogdor

2:33 AM

@doppelgreener well someone just reminded me by posting the best answer ( in my oppinion anyway) technically battlminds can force people to hit them instead in 4e

I'd have to look it up but it probably just costs power points

Ben

3:12 AM

@BESW here, or the situational "here"? I.e. There?

BESW

3:22 AM

@Ben Guam here.

trogdor

Guam here, did you know we have bats, and like big horrible coconut crabs? And starfruit too yeah

XD

Shalvenay

batsnuggles @trogdor!

trogdor

Lol

They are seriously some cute bats

BESW

3:44 AM

user15026

I literally facepalmed at this I hope you're happy :P

trogdor

Yes

Perfect response

BESW

trogdor

Also i love that image

I've seen it before, it's the best

I've also said before, I am both of those bats at different times

Mostly the one on the left when I made a bad joke, and the one on the right when someone else, (read: my dad) does

XD

Ben

4:22 AM

@trogdor I've seen those crabs... [Shudder]

Carbs are scary too

Depending on your dietary needs

@BESW This is me and my friend.

It's a wonder why we're friends... He doesn't have many, because he's one of those "I hate everyone" type people. And yet I keep throwing terrible puns and dad jokes at him

Which he does not appreciate

Speaking of which... I was having my morning coffee in my slippers, when I thought "I need to wash some cups"

trogdor

@Ben I mean, yes, but they move slow and have no incentive to bother you if you don't stick your fingers in thier face or anything

So like, best not to bother them if you aren't an expert at catching and binding them up

But not a huge hazard if you leave em alone

Ben

@trogdor I don't do well with things that have more than 6 appendages.

trogdor

Tis fair

I totally get that

Ben

lol

trogdor

It's largely the same for me really

But these guys mind thier own business something fierce

Ben

4:28 AM

And the bigger they are, the more incentivised I am to just go the other direction haha

Yeah

trogdor

They literally hang out near coconuts mostly

I might freak out if I saw one unexpectedly but after determining it was one of these guys I would chill out

XD

I wouldn't want to literally step on it but being slightly close to it isn't too scary after the hundredth time they don't even react to you XD

All that being said, they still do indeed look like a lazy crawling nightmare crab

Ben

It's their appearance that gets me, not their behaviour.

trogdor

Yeah I get it

That's how I am with most spiders

Somehow the very small jumpy spiders not so much

But all the others,... Yeah

Ben

I'm ok with most spiders - Redbacks, hunstmans, Widow spiders...

Daddy long legs... but they don't really count.

user15026

@Ben This took me a minute

trogdor

4:35 AM

Somehow despite them still being spiders kinda think the small jumpy ones are kinda cute

Ben

But if they're bigger than my hand... it gets iffy

@Ash Lol

trogdor

@Ben your huntsman spiders don't get roughly hand sized?

Ben

@trogdor youtube.com/user/joshuaslice

@trogdor They can.

And that's not including the Tarantulas

trogdor

Screw Tarantulas

No thanks yo

XD

I think part of it for the crabs is,.. they don't make gross @$$$###@ webs

Webs gross me out a lot

kviiri

I just love it when I craft an answer to a question and go out for a walk and while I'm gone it's edited to something completely different :|

And then my answer is no longer valid.

trogdor

4:39 AM

@kviiri what about when someone else answers with an answer like 3 times better? :/

That's the one that happened to me today anyway

XD

kviiri

@trogdor At least that's somewhat fair x)

Ben

I'm not competitive, but I do get a bit salty when that happens haha

@kviiri there's always that moment when you realise what someone's profile pic is. For so long I thought yours was a wave

trogdor

Well mainly this time it leaves my foot in my mouth a bit

The better question agrees with me on principal but proves me wrong on a technicality XD

I feel like I should just delete my answer

Ben

Can you point out the technicality and put it in your answer?

kviiri

@Ben Too bad, you were missing out on an otter :3

Ben

4:46 AM

And if you do, will that undercut what you're saying?

trogdor

@Ben but in this case that would basically just mean stealing it

The other answer already has it but also says it isn't optimal

Ben

Oh ok

Well, I've been in that situation before. It just depends if you want a constant back and forth/reminder that there's a "problem" with your answer

user15026

@trogdor Spiders, fine. Their webs, no thank you

trogdor

@Ash for the most part I have a problem with both

X(

Except for those cute little jumpy guys

Gogo irrational feeeear! Nanananana

user15026

I don't encounter a lot of spiders so they're less of a problem for me?

user15026

4:55 AM

But silverfish and centipedes and other things that like damp basements give me the wobbles

user15026

(also my cat tends to eat centipedes like he's slurping a spaghetti and that is so much nope)

trogdor

Oh god

user15026

(I try not to let him eat all teh bugs, but again, damp basement, so....it happens)

trogdor

That is some creepfest for sure

user15026

(My apartment is in a damp basement of a house, so...it gets fun)

trogdor

4:56 AM

Cats am I right?

user15026

So right. The rightest

Ben

@trogdor I have an irrational fear of the ocean, and space

trogdor

At least it keeps the population down I guess

BESW

Lucas the Spider - Spinning Webs

►

Ben

for the same reason - the idea of being alone in a void of unkown space

trogdor

4:58 AM

@Ben same, except I will argue that spce is a totally 110% rational fear

Ben

@BESW Yeah love Lucas. He's adorable (I linked the channel earlier hehe)

Miniman

@Ben Being okay with redbacks is a really terrible idea.

trogdor

I will argue Astronauts are straight up crazy if I have to

Ben

@Miniman Oh, yeah lol. I have no intention of petting them.

More, "Oh, you're here... Well, stay put... I'll be back with the Pea Beau"

user15026

@BESW I hadn't seen this one!@

trogdor

4:59 AM

@BESW huge body tiny legs? Perfectly acceptable

I can't even explain why

user15026

I like the ocean, I don't like boats.

trogdor

@Ash wow totally the opposite for me

Unless it's the rare occasion I get sea sick

Ben

user15026

Okay, I should amend, because I've never been at the actual ocean, I like bodies of water, but boats worry me

Ben

The idea of not knowing what is just beyond your field of vision unsettles me deeply.

trogdor

5:01 AM

But also I dive because I guess I'm a masochist or something? It's really cool and fun but I Don't know why because when not diving the ocean is scary

I go back to the GoGo irrational feeeear! Nanananana

user15026

I wish I could dive, but my cyborg bits say noooooooope

Ben

Masochist: "Please hurt me!"
Sadist: "No."

trogdor

Mmm

@Ash my dad can't dive anymore because of a heart thing

Ben

@Ash They have gel-type stuff that can help now

trogdor

He loves diving but it's no longer,... A thing he can do

user15026

5:04 AM

@trogdor Yeah, for me it is a case of "hey your brain contains a number of valves and other pressure based bits, please do not do this thing because your brain already wants to pancake itself, lets not give it help" (I have a pair of VP shunts.)

trogdor

@Ben I'm not a huge fan of that either but the best things to see are in pretty shalow areas where that isn't a big deal

@Ash so extra pressure equals bad huh? Diving definitely isn't a great idea

user15026

@trogdor yeah, extra pressure is not so much my friend nope

user15026

So I just live vicariously through people I know for this thing

trogdor

Yeeeaah lots of extra pressure under water it turns out

Ben

Ah, that kind of issue

trogdor

5:06 AM

Who could guess?

@Ash pictures of rad fish still rules XD

user15026

@trogdor yes!

user15026

Or I go to the aquarium! That works too

user15026

AND THE AQUARIUM IN ATLANTA HAS WHALES

trogdor

Oh yeah those exist

@Ash oh wow ok I was gonna brag about one in Japan that had sharks but ok

You win

user15026

@trogdor ooooooh thats cool too

user15026

5:09 AM

They have some beluga whales at the Georgia aquarium

trogdor

I mean it had like dolphins and otters and a whole bunch of other stuff but the sharks were the most impressive

The dolphins we're really shy apparently

Otherwise maybe they could have been better but I'll never know

I think it was the one in Osaka

Maybe XD

Oh no there is one in Okinawa too now I'm really not sure XD

Ok Japan has too many Aquariums all bets are off

I went to a few too many provinces that one time to easily remember

user15026

so many feeeeeesh

trogdor

They have a lot of water around them

I can't blame em really

user15026

Not at all. :)

V2Blast

5:26 AM

I need a vacation

but tomorrow's the first day of my paid internship

Ben

5:53 AM

First world problems :P

kviiri

9:14 AM

@ravery Italian (or rather, Neapolitan) pizza with toppings (other than a sauce) dates back to at least 18th century, and was definitely a thing before American influences

(my little brother is a bit of a "history of pizza" buff)

Helwar

thanks, now I'm hungry

kviiri

Not to say that modern pizza doesn't have significant American influences, of course

trogdor

@kviiri oh interesting

kviiri

The classic one is Margherita, which has tomato sauce, basil and mozzarella. And is supreme if prepared right

Also I'm hungry and it's lunchtime :)

trogdor

9:53 AM

that's a fine pizza for sure

I feel like people discount a pizza if all they see on it is cheese and tomato sauce

And like, probably don't even pay attention to the basil basically

That being said I do really love some toppings on pizza

David Coffron

10:18 AM

@V2Blast I tried to make my links jump to the right heading like I've seen you edit in a couple of my answers (thanks for those by the way), but I can't have it jump to some of these in this answer (see the links for Acid and Maddening Hex for examples). Am I missing something or do those not count as headings (they are h5) in the html for some reason?

Er well Maddeining Hex is h5. Acid and the other equipments are just bolded (so maybe they aren't doable)

Carcer

@DavidCoffron usually I rclick->view source and track down the section in question to see if it has an id attribute, which is the bit you're really looking for

you might want to consider linking to the basic rules equipment section rather than the phb equipment section, btw, the latter is behind dndbeyond's money wall

but anyway individual items on the adventuring gear list don't seem to have proper id attributes so you can't #link to them

David Coffron

10:48 AM

@Carcer I did for alchemists fire i think, my bad lol

Or rather, the weaponos

Carcer

12:36 PM

that troll death question is interesting

kviiri

Both answers are a bit poor though

I could write a more rigorous answer to that, but it still wouldn't be very rigorous.

Carcer

to be honest I think the best answer possible atm is "it's unclear", because evaluating which rule is "more specific" and therefore takes precedence is subjective and ambiguous

kviiri

yuh

Although I've got a reasonably good RAW logic for why the troll should survive Power Word: Kill. I just don't think it's RAI.

Trish

1:41 PM

I think people never did look at the interaction between PW:K and Trolls.

People = Devs

Sir Cinnamon

RAW I think the troll lives

Trish

On what basis, @SirCinnamon ?

Sir Cinnamon

PW:K says "creatures are killed" troll says "Troll only dies if X"

the troll one is more specific

Carcer

well, it requires an evaluation of which is more specific, but the criteria for specificity aren't clear

personally I would read the troll feature as being more specific than a spell, too

Sir Cinnamon

One applies to all creatures, one applies to one creature. One feature is already overriding multiple ways to kill a creature, I just figure it will override this other reason. But I'm not feeling strongly enough to post an answer

David Coffron

1:49 PM

TFW when you had hit the rep cap before noon (UTC)

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