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trogdor
trogdor
12:33 AM
@BESW yeah
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
1:03 AM
I have made a few gappy Masters of Umdaar characters, one inspired by FF Vivi which I know nothing about, one by Lady Blackbird, can I has comment plz?
The other three have not been given names; there's a hag, a naga and a taurian
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@BESW Is there a name for that convention/style/construction? I.e. "DAY 3 in which our heroes discover the proper positioning of LB elements for a poster; close, edit, and reopen a few questions; and interview a candidate for a teaching position at their school"
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
day 2, the daypocolypse is nigh
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
1:22 AM
@nitsua60 TVtropes has a related entry in which that trope is described‌​, linking to some Wikipedia article.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Anaphory You mean: <head>Related Entry</head><subhead>In which the inclusion of wordy summaries of what's about to come, digest-style, signals to the reader that the heroes are about to see and do the things described; and by which the reader knows they're reading 19th-C. adventure fiction or a parody thereof<subhead>?
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
I do!
 
 
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BESW
BESW
2:38 AM
An argument is a common form of this thing, but not all arguments are this thing, and not all of this thing are arguments.
I'm not sure what it's called!
 
David Coffron
David Coffron
3:13 AM
Quarrel?
 
trogdor
trogdor
Debate?
What a riddle
Discussion?
I mean, technically those definitions,... Could mean many words that mean people
Talking to each other
Disagreement?
 
Miniman
Miniman
3:44 AM
@BESW Conflict?
 
BESW
BESW
3 hours ago, by nitsua60
@BESW Is there a name for that convention/style/construction? I.e. "DAY 3 in which our heroes discover the proper positioning of LB elements for a poster; close, edit, and reopen a few questions; and interview a candidate for a teaching position at their school"
 
Miniman
Miniman
@BESW Wait, what? Do you mean that the thing nitsua asked about is the thing you were asking about?
 
BESW
BESW
Yes.
 
Miniman
Miniman
I'm not sure I get the connection between arguments and that thing.
Unless you mean how that structure is used in essay arguments?
 
BESW
BESW
Anaphory suggested the literary term "argument" as a possibility.
 
Miniman
Miniman
4:22 AM
@BESW Ah! Sorry, I had looked at the tvtropes link but not the wiki. That's interesting, I hadn't run across that term before.
 
trogdor
trogdor
4:45 AM
yeah I didn't realize those things were connected at all
 
The Mattbat999
The Mattbat999
Hello. I am on an epic quest to tour all of the digital lands of SE and learn of their peoples and cultures. So, how goes it?
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
5:00 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, +3 more: greenlifenutrition.org/healthy-natural-keto/ by user45555 on rpg.SE
 
trogdor
trogdor
5:30 AM
@SmokeDetector wow that ones a doozy just from the description, nice work souless autamaton
Or however you spell that wtv
 
Trish
Trish
6:04 AM
@trogdor Automaton. And they have souls of fire in a heart of brass and steel... no wait, those were the Frostpunk automatons. This one indeed might be a soulless spider, sitting on the webs it spun, waiting for one web to shiver, snatching upon its prey like a mechanical monster....
 
Helwar
Helwar
6:58 AM
Guys, why is an SE dedicated to a hobby such as this one, infinite times better managed and useful than Stack Overflow? (/rhetorical question, I already know the answer)
 
BESW
BESW
Mark it on your calendars! The first of two live beta-test of the Fate of Cthulhu begins THIS Friday at 8PM EST on http://twitch.tv/little_red_dot. In 2030 the world is in ruin. Can a group of mortals travel back in time & stop the awakening of #Cthulhu or is Humanity doomed? #rpg
Tweeted by little_red_dot on July 2, 2018 at 7:07 PM
 
 
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trogdor
trogdor
8:26 AM
@Trish ooooh nice description yeah
 
 
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Trish
Trish
9:35 AM
who here would not understand FUN<sup>TM</sup>, together with the loosing is fun illustration from Dwarf Fortress as "make it your own fun!"?
 
BESW
BESW
I would know the reference, but I wouldn't interpret it as "make it your own fun."
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I don't interpret FUN™ as "make your own fun" either, I use them as satirical reference to things actually being total disasters or, depending on the context, also possibly actually unfun.
Like oh boy dealing with these abusive users is really FUN™
or in the first scenario, wow yes the ornstein & smough fight is so much fun™
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener lol
I only know that is apparently hard because people say it, but I still got that one
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
:D
 
trogdor
trogdor
which game are they from? Dark Souls 1?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
9:50 AM
yes
 
trogdor
trogdor
mk, guess I will at least see it at some point
i'm watching a remastered playthrough
(because I loved watching Bloodborn a lot,... enough to watch it twice even)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
oh boy :)
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
i have almost finished bloodborne but haven't beaten Mergo's Wet Nurse yet
 
trogdor
trogdor
oooh
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
9:53 AM
i love its world and its gameplay to bits
 
trogdor
trogdor
she is one of the tough ones
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
you don't say XD
 
trogdor
trogdor
both guys I watched had a lot of trouble with her
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
apparently it was leaked that dark souls remastered is coming out on switch at the end of next month
if that's true i'll pick that up and play it. :D
 
trogdor
trogdor
it was interesting to see which bosses one had trouble with and one didn't too though
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
9:54 AM
@trogdor yeah! i find that interesting too. sometimes a boss just works out really well for your playstyle or your build.
 
trogdor
trogdor
one of which,... I am not sure if you got to yet
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
like a pyromancer can kill Seith in the first encounter with him rather than the second.
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
I have not seen a pyromancer run
err, this is Dark Souls you mean?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
yep
 
trogdor
trogdor
I just realized I don't remember a Seith in Bloodborn XD
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
9:56 AM
dammit seith stay in your own canon
 
trogdor
trogdor
oh but like, I am sure you already fought the Cleric Beast right?
the first guy I watched had a hell of a time with it
the second guy killed it first try
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
nice!!
that is me on my first and second playthroughs
 
trogdor
trogdor
but like you said, it was down to different playstyles more likely than simple skill,... because the first guy killed a boss (I am at least relatively sure you have not seen yet if you didn't kill Mergo) on the first try, and the second guy took problably at least 10
@doppelgreener XD
so far I am not sure I like watching the Dark Souls play as much as Bloodborn, but Bloodborn had definite advantage of,..... being made a while after some Souls games
the guy diiiiid pick Deprived as his "class" though
so that could be a large part of it too
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
dark souls is also much earlier in the series, and it's slower paced
and some people get caught up thinking running away = safer
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener "Canon"... There is an unused piece of dialog in Bloodborne. It is about Umbasa...
 
trogdor
trogdor
10:06 AM
@doppelgreener that is what I meant, that Bloodborn was made after a couple or so Souls games
 
Miniman
Miniman
@doppelgreener Well, it is, if you know exactly what you're doing.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Miniman sometimes!
 
trogdor
trogdor
so it obviously benifited from some extra experience and maybe just a little more polishing
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
there are many bosses in which your safest place to be is right next to them. there are even bosses where the safest place to be is standing right under them.
e.g. the first boss, the minotaur, in dark souls 1
 
Miniman
Miniman
@doppelgreener Oh, I thought you meant when traversing levels. Running away from bosses is...yeah, not generally a good idea.
 
trogdor
trogdor
10:08 AM
@doppelgreener still a bit of a thing in Bloodborn really
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor very much so
this stuff is true for dark souls and for bloodborne
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener was he just really really easy? cause this guy not only killed him first try but his health bar took huge chunks out for each hit
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor oh! did he apply amber to his sword before the fight?
 
trogdor
trogdor
he might have without me noticing ?
I know he did for a couple other bosses
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
huge chunks of health for each hit sounds like that.
 
trogdor
trogdor
10:09 AM
but for the minotaur I didn't see
mk
I guess he just didn't like fighting the minotaur
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
many players go into that fight without having that item at all, or without using it, but it just so happens that the minotaur boss is really weak against it.
 
Miniman
Miniman
@trogdor Was he jumping off the tower?
 
trogdor
trogdor
no
he just smacked it
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener Minotaur? Isn't that the second boss?
 
trogdor
trogdor
it's health went down really really fast and he was just hitting it normaly
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:10 AM
@Derpy oh, right, yes. first boss after the prison.
i always forget about the prison demon being a boss
 
trogdor
trogdor
oh wait,... no he did use amber on the minotaur,....
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener don't tell me you left the hammer there ;_;
 
trogdor
trogdor
I think I got it confused with that other boss
which also died quickly
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Derpy probably! what hammer? :O
 
Miniman
Miniman
@doppelgreener Ìf you kill the asylum demon the first time you meet him, you get his weapon.
 
trogdor
trogdor
10:12 AM
but he didn't use ledges for either fight
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Miniman oh, nice. i didn't do that.
 
Miniman
Miniman
@doppelgreener Unless you're on new game+, it's pretty much only practically possible with the black firebomb as your starting gift.
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener next you will say me you didn't torture yourself beat the Vanguard in the tutorial level in Demon soul
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
there's basically 3 strategies for fighting the minotaur:
1. just stand down there and wail on him normally.
2. like #1 but apply amber first.
3. clear out the archers on the parapet above, then just climb up there when the minotaur appears and jump down on him for jump damage. then do it again and again.
 
trogdor
trogdor
he did use ledges to kill the dogs in the capra demon fight though
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:14 AM
#3 goes wrong if you take too long lining up the jump: the minotaur jumps up to you.
 
Miniman
Miniman
@trogdor Ah, Kappa.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Derpy never played demon souls
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Miniman is that,... a Souls meme?
 
Miniman
Miniman
@doppelgreener If only they'd remastered that or bloodborne - I could already play dark souls.
@trogdor Every Dark Souls boss is a meme XD
 
trogdor
trogdor
ok then
@Miniman remastered Bloodborn,... I might actually play that XD
not sure,.... why they would feel the need to remaster perfection but you know, I can dream
 
Miniman
Miniman
10:16 AM
@trogdor ...what?
 
trogdor
trogdor
it would probably destroy me though
@Miniman lol
because I really liked watching Bloodborn,.... noted the joke was horrible and confusing
I think the poisonous rats alone would keep me from playing Dark Souls 1
that is some brutal poison
 
BESW
BESW
Welp, I've got a poster and a LOT of handouts, some table tents to cut, and... somehow the name tents didn't get printed. [face/palm]
Still, getting my binder organized is good.
 
trogdor
trogdor
hehe
 
BESW
BESW
Gosh, I haven't had a proper GM binder in ages.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@BESW I have a folder that contains a dozen 1- or few-pages RPGs, does that count? ;-)
 
BESW
BESW
10:29 AM
Broadly, yes.
Tonight we got a new Farm-to-Table crate, and it has red mizuna, which I've never seen before.
I'm classifying it in the "I never would've thought to see if this was food" category.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
That or something like it comes up a lot in Australia garden salads.
 
BESW
BESW
It's like... if arugula was a weed, red mizuna would be its mean older cousin.
I can see where baby mizuna would be nice though.
[is going to cook this separately just in case]
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Miniman I don't imagine demon souls would fare as well. It was not very accessible.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@BESW Since I started to garden (on the entire 2m² I have available for it), I have looked up the edibility of quite a few things that come sprouting out of the ground.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
What I really want is for Dark Souls Remastered to get a Lost Izalith / Bed of Chaos remaster. Like, all that stuff, delete it, redo it.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:51 AM
It's bad, they know it's bad, it's bad enough they are apologetic for how bad it is. Remastering the game is an opportunity to replace it with something that's actually any good.
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener they have something else that should take the precedence.
They should be morally bound to give the pendant an use.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
oh XD
Oh! It does have a use! You can trade it with somebody for an item.
@trogdor when creating a character you can choose a starting item, and one of those items is the pendant. many people like me chose it because it seemed so important it must affect the plot at some point and be revealed as secretly really useful.... but it does nothing at all, was added and was deliberately useless as a prank on the players, and only later the game got patched to make it useful for something.
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener ugh
see,... that is a no no in my book
glad I didn't put up with that myself
not that it's the biggest possible no no just that it is one
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
xD
thankfully most of the starting items are relatively low-impact, so it's not a big loss if you choose that one
 
trogdor
trogdor
I get that the Souls games have a thing about losing a fight, possibly repeatedly, and then getting better at it and beating it
and I respect that even if it looks a little too gung ho on the difficulty for me
 
Derpy
Derpy
10:58 AM
@doppelgreener you forgot the pert of the story where the game devs confirm multiple times that the thing had a bigger use to unlock a big game secret
and then reveal the prank... about a year later.
 
trogdor
trogdor
but fake items that don't do anything as plants that make it so you can't pick anything else if you don't know they are useless? that's just freaking annoying
@Derpy ok that's just,... wow
 
Derpy
Derpy
@trogdor oh, but the Tick has a purpose. To give an use to the Match.
Wait, wrong game...
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Derpy oh no!!!!!
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Derpy yeah I meant the Pendant Greener mentioned
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener and to be fair, I also forgot something. The part where the same dev creates a DLC for the same game which is basically about a person who got mad in order to find an use for a pendant.
 
trogdor
trogdor
11:05 AM
@doppelgreener the principle of that thing really gets to me though,.... I am kinda easily annoyed by any amount of bad faith
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Derpy what really? XD
@trogdor yeah it's not right on principle and I didn't know about the extent of the prank derpy just described
 
trogdor
trogdor
yeah I don't know either but
just making that kind of item to trick people is a little bit bad
not the worst thing you can do by far but annoying none the less
 
Derpy
Derpy
@doppelgreener Manus, Father of the Abyss. Once human, turned demon, still looking for a broken pendant.
Finding part of said pendant is how you gain access to that "secret" boss in the DLC
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
brilliant
oooh
manus!!!
 
Derpy
Derpy
(or in the Prepare to Die edition, which includes said dlc)
that said, you know, I am like a magnet for that kind of stuff in games. Trolling devs or ascended urban legends, I got them all.
From the LisReal thing, to the pendant or the alleged Nier last secret
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
11:23 AM
@Anaphory @doppelgreener Would you mind at some point looking at the partial Masters of Umdaar pregens I linked up there? The plan is to run a game at a meetup in two weeks and I don't want to give players blank sheets (unless they insist), but give them somthing to kickstart from and fill in details of.
In particular, I haven't given anyone relationship aspects because any or none of the pregens might be played, and relations to other characters are not helpful.
 
BESW
BESW
I can take a look at it after Sunday. Right now all my RPG brain is focused on the con.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Anaphory Could you give me a link to the message?
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
10 hours ago, by Anaphory
I have made a few gappy Masters of Umdaar characters, one inspired by FF Vivi which I know nothing about, one by Lady Blackbird, can I has comment plz?
@BESW You have inspired me to intend to prep well for this one also in terms of haptics/visuals, though :)
 
BESW
BESW
Yey!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:45 AM
@Anaphory Fill in one +2, one +1, and one +0 skill for each character. The other three, the players will freely assign to +1, +2, and +3.
It can help their decision making, and if they really want to swap something around, say yes.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@doppelgreener Sound good!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Duchess Merel says "I must find freedom in adventure", that implies she hasn't already or something. It's not meaty enough -- what's she want freedom for? What's she out there to do? See the world, spite her parents, find something from some old stories she grew up with, something else?
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
I'll think about it.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I suggest "I want to prove I'm just as capable as anybody."
It's very compellable.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
It also fits the inspiration of LB as played by a friend of mine very much :)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:52 AM
@Anaphory For Elia's aspects: merge their Concept and Personal aspect together, into just their personal aspect. Then fill out their Concept in an Umdaar-y way. Leave their Motive aspect blank for the player to figure out what they want to do with a cute little artificial weapon.
Or, i guess, you can also fill out the motive, but that leaves 3 aspect slots filled out, and i'd rather leave approximately half blank
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@doppelgreener What goes wrong if I leave the Concept roughly un-Umdaar-y as is, merging something like “oblivious” into it and removing the personal aspect?
“I must destroy instruments of murder” sounds really compellable in the sample adventure.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I figure some of the training wheels of a straightforward Concept aspect gets lost.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
The “I can nearly always invoke my Concept because I'm a Rogue and I'm doing what Rogues do”?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
"I must destroy instruments of murder" sounds like a problem kind of aspect to use, since it means that player would be opposed to their group and may be mutually incompatible with their goals. It has The Paladin Problem in its absoluteness and incongruity with what they're doing. (Is a sword an instrument of murder? Does this mean they cannot collect and keep and use a starblade?)
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@doppelgreener Convincing point.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:59 AM
@Anaphory Your concept giving a clear distinction as to what you are and what you do plus an adjective about what kind of person you are.
So, a straightforward Concept + a Personal aspect about being an artificial weapon + leaving the motive blank resolves these issues effectively and lazily.
It also maintains the state of pregens being only a launchpad with gentle suggestion about what kinds of directions they might go in, rather than a near-complete character already.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
**Concept:** Naïve extraplanar Energy Child
**Personal:** Oblivious about being a Weapon of Mass Destruction
something like that?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Personal: Manufactured weapon of destruction
and let the player figure out what they know about that and how they feel about it and express it.
this isn't Vivi, just a character kinda like Vivi :P
Mass destruction could also be viable still
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
We could also tell the player to add "oblivious" before the aspect if they feel their Vivi should be unaware
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
Or “unwilling” or “growing” or whatever they like.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:12 PM
Yeah. :)
Begrudging
"here's a list of words. Put one of them in the blank before that aspect."
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
With the Naga, it was really hard to keep myself from using as many – or, to play againsssst sssstereotype – assss few assss posssssible – wordssss withhh essssessss in thhheere and doubling all of thhhem.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:32 PM
@Anaphory hahahaha
This is cool.
I made a suggestion for the Minotaur.
 
trogdor
trogdor
But using extra ssssss is a time honored tradition
Do not simply bury reptile culture
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
She could be a ssssswashbuckler
or a ssssssssoldier
 
trogdor
trogdor
Yesssssss thissssss ssssdoundssss good
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
Ssshould I go full-on sssstereotype thhhen? Sssswassshbuckler would be nicssse.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
12:37 PM
@doppelgreener Overload?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Anaphory CTRL+F in the Masters of Umdaar PDF. It's a specific mechanic in that game, and it means whatever you roll, you just get the next step up in success.
If you Succeeded on the attack, you're now Succeeding with Style.
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener what is the it though? We may never know
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Actually, that doesn't make sense in attack. :/
I suggest Bull Rush becomes a Create Advantage instead then
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@doppelgreener Ah, I assumed you did mean that. It's “Surge”.
 
trogdor
trogdor
The it could be a fantastic career, or the best way to bake cake
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:38 PM
That's usually more fun, and lets them bull rush someone or something to create advantage and smash things.
@Anaphory Oh! Thanks!
It's been a while.
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@doppelgreener Fun is good!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
it also makes it more flexible
they can bull rush a door, bull rush someone to pin them, bull rush someone to shove them off a ledge, etc
 
trogdor
trogdor
Bull rush is great
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
compared to that, bull rushing to attack them is a bit anticlimactic
i mean, what is more scary and versatile than a minotaur charging full speed at something?
 
trogdor
trogdor
Good for combat, good for parties, good for avoiding awkward conversation
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:39 PM
The options are endless!
@trogdor LOL
 
trogdor
trogdor
Until it catches up to you and you are trapped into the ultimate akward conversation about using bull rush to fix literally everything
Akward because no one understands you, not because you did anything wrong, I mean come on right?
The world just isn't ready for the ultimate expression of social art
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor it's ok, you can get out of that conversation by bull rushing something
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener no because in that conversation, 20 people grabbed you to make sure you had to tell them why you bull rushed them all
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor hmmmmmmm.....
but can you .... bull rush some of them...?
 
trogdor
trogdor
unless,..... you just bull rushed 20 times
then it would fix the problem!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:51 PM
yessss
 
trogdor
trogdor
XD
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
ok we have learned an important lesson here: if bull rushing doesn't solve your problem, you haven't bull rushed enough times.
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
no flaws in this logic
unassailable
and anyone who says otherwise well,.... you can guess
they get bull rushed of course
 
Anaphory
Anaphory
@trogdor Unasssssssssailable! Oh wait, that's someone else.
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@trogdor Darn I was guessing hugs.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:53 PM
@Rubiksmoose bull rush can be used to apply hugs
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Rubiksmoose that happens later, when everyone accepts bull rushes as the best thing
except for hugs, but hugs are only for "winners" who bull rush for every problem
@doppelgreener blasphemy! heretic!
XD
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@doppelgreener hahahaha I love that phrase "apply hugs" enthusiastically no doubt.
 
trogdor
trogdor
a schism in the church!
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
Bull Rush, best known for songs like "Working Cow" "The Bull's Eye" "Never Stand Still" and "Xanadu"
 
SPavel
SPavel
@Rubiksmoose Bull Rush 2112?
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
1:03 PM
Darned right.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@BESW Looking good. The "in which" structure you were talking about seems to be an archaic usage in terms of writing style. Is it still in use in a particular genre that you are familiar with?
 
BESW
BESW
Yeah, but it's usually used to evoke that period/style aesthetic.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@TheMattbat999 As far as I can tell, culture wise, we are not a petri dish.
@BESW Got it. I remember from reading a lot as a kid that it cropped up in stories (like Stevenson) written in the 18th and 19th centuries, but it may have begun before that.
 
The Mattbat999
The Mattbat999
@KorvinStarmast eh. Oh well. Onward and upward!
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Rubiksmoose RE: Booming Blade - I think you've got something there with intelligence - but even an unintelligent creature would probably recognize the feeling if they've felt it before.
 
SPavel
SPavel
1:12 PM
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@NautArch mayyyybe. I mean I have cats and sometimes they are incredibly dumb when it comes to cause vs effect.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Rubiksmoose My dogs sometimes get it and sometimes don't. But that's the same with highly intelligent people, too :P
I did make a change to address intelligence
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
I saw. I think that is all that really needs mentioning. It is so situational.
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NautArch
NautArch
@Rubiksmoose I"m also not a huge fan of Xanathar's requirement of using an action/reaction. But that's just me. I personally think it's fine to just let someone roll an Arcana without cost (other than pass/fail)
For things like Counterspell, it would never make sense to identify first if you had to spend your reaction on identifying rather than just counterspelling and missing the opp.
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@NautArch OP updated the question to add a mini question you may want to adress
 
NautArch
NautArch
1:18 PM
@Rubiksmoose ugh, answering.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@NautArch +1 for your point on just doing an arcana check, in terms of seeing or recognizing something.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@KorvinStarmast in the answer or here?
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
Here, I need to read the answer and question again to better grok context ...
 
A Very Large Bear
A Very Large Bear
@doppelgreener is this question tight enough to re-open now? rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/125567/…
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@NautArch I personally like that ruling specifically because it limits CS's power.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
1:29 PM
@NautArch I like both your answer and @Bloodcinder's answer.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@KorvinStarmast me too :) I gave Bloodcinder an updoot
@Rubiksmoose As someone who casts CS, I didn't :) But now I just never care and just cast CS anyway. I generally make the DC with my Bard, so it's not a big deal.
But in general, I've got a distaste for CS now.
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@NautArch My DM actually completely changes the way CS is handled in general.
OK not completely.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Rubiksmoose ooh, do tell!
@Rubiksmoose Booming Energy could sound like noise folks hear when they use Nitrous Oxide (of course, at the dentist's office only)
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
1:49 PM
@NautArch Well he actually requires that you have seen a spell before and a successful arcana check. The arcana check depends on a long list of things that he has listed out that I have no idea what goes into it. But he also lets you do an arcana check for free to identify the spell and decide if you want to CS or not.
 
NautArch
NautArch
 
Rubiksmoose
Rubiksmoose
@NautArch Yup those are a pretty decent summary of the way the rules are supposed to work.
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@NautArch Yeah. I've got that bookmarked, but it's also (to me) intuitive.
 
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