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Southpaw Hare

00:05

Hi all

Shalvenay

hey there @SouthpawHare, how're things going?

Mike Q

@SouthpawHare Hola amigo, happy Tuesday to ya

Southpaw Hare

I'm good

rpg.stackexchange.com/a/124790/7253 I'm getting some negative feedback here, though

Mike Q

@SouthpawHare This is just speculation, but I'd bet the downvotes are because it's an opinion-based answer to an opinion-based question, even though the answer content is quite reasonable

Southpaw Hare

Well the question wasn't closed yet, so isn't it fair to answer it?

Mike Q

00:09

I'm not sure the question is an answerable question in its current state

Southpaw Hare

@MikeQ I've edited the original question

Does that help? I trimmed it down substantially

Mike Q

It's trimmed down but I have no idea if that was the author's intent :/

Southpaw Hare

You don't? It seemed clear what he was asking to me.

It was just buried like 5 paragraphs in

And it doesn't seem all that opinionated either

It's a pretty universal problem that anyone could have

Mike Q

There's a section in there that smells of the XY problem:

> Obviously I don't want this to happen, because that would be very exploity, and not very fun. So to make it interesting...

David Coffron

I agree with Mike Q here. They should ask about the problem their having rather than how to make a creature resistant to ranged attacks.

Southpaw Hare

00:23

@DavidCoffron Isn't that basically what they asked, though? I'm having a hard time seeing the difference.

Mike Q

No... Let's allow the original author to provide their own edits and clarifications, rather than trying to reshape the question to fit our answers.

David Coffron

@SouthpawHare Not necessarily. They could be really wondering (and asking a different question with a presumed solution) "how to keep the encounter interesting when the straight forward tactic is to shoot it at range" or "how to develop my monster to prioritize non-combat solutions"

This is what an XY problem is. The author has a problem they are trying to solve and the solution they have not quite fully developed is to make the creture resistant to ranged attacks when other solutions may be better.

Instead, they should state their ACTUAL problem and if that is the best solution (which I doubt) someone will leave it as an answer

Southpaw Hare

@DavidCoffron Well yes, but it's super obvious this is the case. It's practically automatic to just see right through this XY problem.

David Coffron

@SouthpawHare I disagree. I didn't read the quetsion like you did at all. It's best to let the OP clarify their question

Southpaw Hare

Oh? How did you see it?

Mike Q

00:29

There was a lot going on. They designed a slow-moving monster that was hard to kill in melee, and then indicated that letting the players rely on ranged attacks (which seems very logical!) would somehow result an unfun and uninteresting challenge

David Coffron

@SouthpawHare I saw it as the GM trying to combat-proof the creature (it already destroys melee combatants and now he wants to strengthen against ranged combatants, including spellcasters). There are better ways to prevent your non-hostile creature from being attacked then by making it unfightable (which is a trial in futility as players find hard encounters more of a motivator than a deterant)

Shalvenay

@DavidCoffron yeah -- the question I have is "why is a creature that's not intended to be hostile getting attacked to begin with?"

Southpaw Hare

Hmm, I see

David Coffron

@Shalvenay Which is the kind of clarifying question I would ask before editing

NautArch

00:43

@Shalvenay because they can harvest it's fancy metal! Murder for profits.

Axoren

@BESW I'm going to look through your list. I've been working on a new setting and campaign that depends a little on a deviation from the usual traversability tiers of 5e. Having 4e's method of Ritual-based Travel might be a good way to go about it, rather than having multiple Wizard/Cleric taxes.

Essentially, The Feywilds and Shadowfell are replaced with the Fey Bright and Fey Dark, and you can walk into either of them from the western-most edge of the main Kingdom the party will be in.

Since the creation mythos is radically different from Faerun and other D&D settings, the planes don't exist in the same way, and nothing has the same structure.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron it almost seemsoke they're trying to create a tarrasque

Mike Q

@NautArch Then they're tarrasquing the wrong question

Axoren

If they don't want them cheesing the monster with ranged attacks, just give it a feature that says "Ranged attacks only work from within X feet"

The main issue is that they made it slow.

Tactically, you SHOULD be using ranged attacks.

Mike Q

00:58

@Axoren Exactly why @DavidCoffron and I think it's an XY problem and they want to accomplish something else

Axoren

"I want this to be a threat." "I want it to be slow."

Hmm...

Honestly, the environment answer shouldn't be so poorly scored.

Something like this seems like a good fit for a labyrinth.

I hope they settle on what they're actually asking.

David Coffron

01:26

@Axoren labyrinth is good. Vehicles would be way cooler. Giant cephalopod has a mecahno-arcane vessel (im thinking low cover 5 armed mech suit) that makes him faster. They have destroy the vessel to slow him down so they can outrange him. That is if I was going to make it a combat encounter which OP seems to.be trying to.avoid

Axoren

@DavidCoffron It seems like the slow encroachment is what the OP wants, sort of like Slow Zombies.

The only reason it works for them, is that Slow Zombies are plural. There's oodles of them.

Axoren

01:40

@HellSaint It should be noted that for Level 2, 19 HP is average for a Cleric with 16 Con and 18 AC is really high for Level 2. This cleric is really beefy. A paladin with the same constitution is about 3 more HP on average, which is what you're noticing (The paladin being left with 1-3 HP more than the 0 HP of the Cleric). If the Paladin has the comparable AC, this is about what you should expect on days when the Barbarian doesn't show up.

Some answers might go on to tell you that the Cleric's stats are bad, but they're honestly ideal from what I can see.

I might post an answer with some suggestions for the Cleric's kit, but honestly, you're just running into the issue that most of the party's HP resources are in the backrow being under-utilized.

nitsua60

also, in three sessions a bunch of this stuff will have worked itself out. A bunch of these recent questions just feel like the usual learning curve for any party+gm combo.

HellSaint

01:59

@nitsua60 Fair enough, but that's new for me tbh :P

Maybe I'm trying too many new things at the same time, while having new players as well hahaha

Axoren

@HellSaint Honestly, my response to this Cleric is "Cast Shield of Faith every combat."

The Oracle

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Q: Is a question asking what official D&D 5e classes are available a viable Stack question?

We've got a couple of "list" questions asking about official D&D 5e content and resources already. Where do I find the "official" rules for D&D 5e? What are the playable D&D races in 5e? (discussed on meta here: Where to find races and classes in 5e) Would a question asking about available of...

Axoren

If that's not enough? Sanctuary after every turn.

HellSaint

@Axoren And yeah, I don't think the tactics or the stats are any problem here. I just don't know how I should handle his frustration.

@Axoren yeah, there's the problem he's playing very, very reactively (i.e. he heals himself after taking damage instead of trying to avoid the damage to begin with)

Axoren

@HellSaint If the Cleric were to use Shield of Faith, they'd have 20 AC, which means that up through Part 4 of that campaign, the highest attack bonus I've seen is +4, which means enemies need at 16 or higher on the dice.

HellSaint

02:03

But then I'm not sure I should be telling the players how to play their classes :P

Axoren

Even not knowing that meta knowledge, the Cleric must be noticing a lot of close calls that a Shield of Faith would stop and make the connection that another +2 AC would increase their life expectancy by 10%

Don't tell them "You must do this." But tell them "You CAN do this."

HellSaint

I mean, we have a Warlock without EB - after allowing that without complaining, I'm not willing to tell anyone how they should play hahaha

Axoren

Some players undervalue options because they don't see the merit.

If they want to have reactive options, Sanctuary is something they should look into to improve their survivability when they're really low and have decided to heal themselves.

If they don't see these as an option, mentioning them might get them to do their own research

KorvinStarmast

02:53

@Shalvenay Heh, I wasn't going to say anything, but anything that slow can usually be avoided/evaded.

@HellSaint You now have an answer to that, but with some people, the frustration bubbles up more readily than with other people.

@HellSaint See my point in the answer on coaching. As I noted there, 4+ decades with this game has shown me that coaching is a DM role, implicit if not explicit. (Heck, in our Tier 3 game, and none of us newbies, our DM now and again provides a coaching nudge here and there ... )

BESW

04:06

got a lot of attention. And kept on getting it. A lot. People talked about their campaigns, their characters, their house rules, their bizarre digressions, all like today except slower because you were commenting on previous distributions ("disties") for your own submission /7

Tweeted by BruceRedux on June 19, 2018 at 8:40 PM in reply to BruceRedux

The Oracle

05:26

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Q: Heavy edits to get a question reopened that change the fundamental underlying question

See the question What's a good method of giving a certain monster resistance to ranged attacks made against it? as a recent example. The question has been fundamentally edited in order to get it reopened, and bears little resemblance to its original form. In cases like this, where there is no inp...

discussion questions editing

BESW

08:16

@BESW ...that was supposed to be this:

I want to talk about one of the most important women in the history of tabletop RPGs, and about an aspect of RPG history many younger folks won't know about. Stay awhile, and listen. :) Amateur press associations are one of the interesting kinds of social network founded in 1/

Tweeted by BruceRedux on June 19, 2018 at 8:30 PM

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doppelgreener

08:29

o/

Helwar

hullo?

doppelgreener

Ahoy

Helwar

hey... can I use this chat as an IT help-group again?

doppelgreener

it's completely off topic and has nothing to do with rpgs whatsoever, so probably yes

Helwar

>_<

doppelgreener

08:35

:)

Helwar

you guys here are way more helpfull than posting on Stack Overflow

do any of you know anything about ubuntu?

A Very Large Bear

Its a linux distro. What about it?

Helwar

yeah well, I changed computers 'cause the one I had freezed at least 3 times a day

i have ubuntu 18 here (just booted it)

A Very Large Bear

@Helwar That's not ideal

Helwar

and I can't connect to our local network...

I've tried a lot of mumbo jumbo magic words that i've found on the internet

with no success

A Very Large Bear

08:38

hmm. Is it an enterprise type network or a home network? My experience has been that enterprise is more difficult to work with for whatever reason

Helwar

trying to connect to "smb://172.16.0.250" (wich is the correct IP) gets me "Failed to retrieve share list from server: Invalid argument"

i have samba installed... also samba-client and samba-server too, for good measure

it's just a shared folder

I have internet and everything, but can't get into the shared folder

A Very Large Bear

I'm not familiar with samba, so this is probably beyond me :( you might have better luck in the ask ubuntu room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/201/ask-ubuntu-general-room

though it is pretty dead right now

Helwar

thing is I remember months ago fixing this same issue, writing something into smb.conf but I can't seem to find it now

thanks anyway

:)

kviiri

The battle royale game went rather well

It was a bit easier than I expected. We found suitable weapons quite early on. My rogue didn't take a single hit during the entire game.

A Very Large Bear

good :) Any highlights?

@kviiri The best way to Rogue

kviiri

08:45

Hmm,highlights... we had this counter of remaining players visible at all times, and had converged to a castle which was in the eye of the storm. The counter was at 9, so that was four for us, four people in the castle and someone else who was still on their way

The final person showed up when we were all but done with the team inside the fort, and turned out to be an impressive Tortle veteran with a backstory and everything and then wound up one-shotted by our wizard who had saved one L3 slot for the final battle.

A Very Large Bear

poor guy :(

How many people did you have to carve your way through to get to the end?

Helwar

@AVeryLargeBear I just fixed it by myself. I dunno wich of the thousand things I did fixed it, but I don't care. After almost 3 hours of struggling I'll take fool's luck as an answer

kviiri

Apart from that, I think the best part was that the GM had made good additional rules for the passage of time, scavenging and exploration. It worked quite well, although we got a lot of superfluous stuff like 2000gp worth of spell components when our casters had, understanding the limitations of the scenario, largely ignored spells with costly components.

A Very Large Bear

@Helwar Sweet! That's always a confusing feeling for me. Not sure if i should be happy it's fixed or upset that I don't know how I did it.

kviiri

@AVeryLargeBear There were 80 people to start with, all in teams of 4. We fought the first team of four starting before we had even landed, and when landed I found a crossbow I used to snipe two of them while our casters cantripped the rest of them.

A Very Large Bear

08:50

Am I remembering correctly that it was PVE?

kviiri

Another team of four on a road, one team (the only one with a caster, much to my chagrin since I was a Mage Slayer) of three remaining near a volcano and finally the team of four plus the Tortle at a castle. That makes 13 kills total. I think about five of those were mine :P

A Very Large Bear

Those are pretty good numbers ;)

kviiri

@AVeryLargeBear Yeah, although I think everyone in our party assumed it'd end with the winning team forced to fight each other. Didn't happen, though. Fortunate because PvP in DnD is easily a mess, but I probably could've won because I had survived combat in a better shape than our Fighter and had Mage Slayer .)

Also, my ginger ale turned out good

Life is full of happy surprises

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Helwar

@kviiri hooray

kviiri

It's not as good as my favorite brand in the store but a very good first take. Very palatable regardless!

Helwar

09:04

how long did it take since you started it until it was done?

the ginger ale, i mean :P

kviiri

Two and a half days, about. I prepared it on Sunday evening, and let it ferment until Tuesday evening when I put it in the fridge.

I'm going to let the other bottle sit in the fridge for another whole day to see if improves the flavor further

Helwar

oh, I dunno why but I thought it was a "weeks" thing, not a "days" thing

kviiri

I guess if one wanted alcohol in it, but I'm in just for a soft drink

Derpy

@kviiri I once had a ginseng root. I was "stupid" enough to ask myself "I wonder if the ginseng healing potion recipe on the Ultima 6 manual would actually produce something drinkable".

Helwar

09:25

haha

kviiri

@Derpy This is why writers who care about their readers either make sure the recipe actually works or throw in a fantasy ingredient or three :)

Derpy

Pro trip: if you try to boil a ginseng root 40 times the result won't be a yellow liquid but something more like a brownish tar...

the first healing potion that you can eat with a spoon

maybe it was an healing "mousse"

kviiri

I'm going to put in more ginger the next time

There's apparently several opinions on the difference between a "ginger ale" and a "ginger beer", including fermented vs mixed, nonalcoholic vs alcoholic and sweet with a hint of ginger vs ginger with a hint of sweet.

BESW

09:43

I think of both of them as being non-alcoholic, and the ale/beer scale is the sweet/ginger ratio.

kviiri

I'll aim for beer the next time

Using that definition ;)

BESW

Trogdor will approve.

doppelgreener

> Healing moose. As long as you have some time to spend somewhere quiet and calm, your spirit moose can help out as a recovery animal. Once per session, when you have that time and quiet, you may spend a fate point to reduce the severity of someone's emotional or mental consequence by one.

BESW

> Healing Mousse. You get +2 when rolling to remove or reduce fashion-related consequences.

> Healing mice. You get +2 when rolling to remove or reduce consequences on rodents.

Helwar

@BESW what kind of consequences? VTC as unclear :P

BESW

09:56

@Helwar Consequences.

Helwar

oh you meant consequences on a gamey sense...

BESW

Yes, we're making stunts.

Derpy

@BESW Where is the free Canis Latinicus? How could you forget? Make it Rodentia Sanitatem :P

BESW

> Rodentia Sanitatem. You automatically succeed when using Rapport to remove someone else's mental consequences, if the consequences are related to rodent-based anxiety.

Derpy

> Knowing the mouse might one day leave its hole and get the cheese...Fills you with determination

kviiri

10:05

@Derpy I thought this was a set up for a puzzle

in the game... it confused me to no end

Helwar

@kviiri me too

Derpy

@kviiri Then I suppose I just have to ask how you reacted to the pasta and the microwave.

Helwar

@Derpy by then I had noticed the pattern :P (still was there for a while touching everything and hoping for more :P)

kviiri

@Derpy The same :D

Although yes, I wasn't prone to worrying much

I played Undertale in a bit of a hurry, which wasn't exactly the best way to enjoy the game in retrospect

Derpy

funny thing. The most blatant example of "waste your time" "puzzle" probably is the word search thing. And that is the one that actually has a pretty odd pattern hidden in it. A pattern that you probably can't even notice the first time you see it.

Anaphory

10:15

Which word search thing?

I don't remember a word search thing.

Helwar

oish, I just noticed one of the starred messages on the right is mine O_o

Derpy

@Anaphory this one - taken from Undertale

Helwar

you didn't have to do anything with that... if I remember correctly

it just skipped

Derpy

yep, and to be fair it is also impossible since one "word" is miss-spelled in the list

that said... look again at those words.... Notice a pattern now, @Helwar?

Anaphory

@Derpy You mean, the actual words, not the letter grid, right?

Helwar

10:23

I have no idea

Derpy

@Anaphory yep

@Helwar well... have you for one noticed how the Ruins are basically stuck in Fall?

doppelgreener

@Derpy this is funny.

Helwar

oh

i noticed it now

Derpy

A monster in Fall. A skeleton in Winter. A mermaid in Spring. And a robot in Summer.

kviiri

Yea, it subtly foreshadows Undyne and Mettaton

doppelgreener

10:29

oh, i get it. this is like that four legs in the morning, two in the day, three in the evening riddle. it's a doppelganger, right?

Derpy

@kviiri yep, and that is why people then tried to link the last column and the gibberish word to Gaster

Helwar

10:52

Gaster? who's gaster? I don't remember it

kviiri

@Helwar A secret non-character who's referred to in a variety of varyingly hidden places

Anaphory

@Derpy That doesn't make sense, that would only make sense if there was another row, not with another column.

I need to try my hands at designing some puzzles. I think this layout, including the typo in giasfclfubrehber, gives me ideas.

eimyr

11:15

Hi everyone!

And Happy Birthday (to those who were born today, wink wink, GDPR)

Derpy

@Anaphory some also tried to that. I think the only thing that can make sense is associating hot to robot based on how Mettaton behaves. Good luck trying to associate giasfclfubrehber to Undyne.

Rubiksmoose

@eimyr hi!

doppelgreener

@eimyr o/!!!

eimyr

:)

what's new, everyone?

Rubiksmoose

Not much that I can think of of general interest.

I mean I guess I am running my first non-D&D RPG this coming Friday so that is exciting/terrifying and arguably new.

A Very Large Bear

11:28

@Rubiksmoose What are you running?

Rubiksmoose

A game called Masks. An Apocalypse engine game about playing young superheroes (think Teen Titans and Young Justice).

A Very Large Bear

Sounds neat :)

doppelgreener

I love that one.

(But I think I've already told you that. :D)

I'm super happy for you to try it out.

Have you read the GM sections and are you across the movesets?

Rubiksmoose

I'm pretty excited to run it, but not only is it the first adventure I've "written" (and not just used/modified pre-written material) but also my and my group's first time playing a system not like D&D. So I'm also nervous about that.

@doppelgreener I have! I keep rereading them because it often takes a few reads for everything to sink in. I've also been listening to a lot of actual plays which has given me a good feel for the flow of the game in general (as well as a good chance to see all the rules in action).

You may have mentioned it before but I always like hearing it. I really want my group to enjoy this so it is good to hear that others have played and enjoyed it before us :)

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose Radical. A common thread in PBTA breakdowns is the GM not reading the GM sections, thinking the GM section is just a bunch of advice about running games written for newbies and they already know how to run games.

But in PBTA the GM section is the whole rules of running the game itself.

kviiri

11:45

Yeah, in Apocalypse World (and many derivatives) the rules are not just for the players and the GM shouldn't try to stand above them

Rubiksmoose

Oh goodness, I couldn't not read those sections. Firstly, I definitely like the assurance of knowing how the book recommends playing. But even a cursory read of the GM section showed me that it was essential to knowing how to run the game properly. Knowing when to make hard and soft moves and how to structure hooks and arcs and designing NPCs to tug at the PCs' conflicts.

kviiri

Also, I find that Apocalypse World at least has so good guidance regarding GM'ing in general that it's worth a read :)

Rubiksmoose

I definitely found that the guidance was good and a decent read as well.

Thankfully.

@doppelgreener but definitely thanks for the pointer. If I hadn't already been reading it I would have been very thankful for the nudge to do so.

Southpaw Hare

12:09

Check it out everyone! I hit 5,000 rep! =)

A Very Large Bear

@SouthpawHare Congrats!

doppelgreener

12:25

@SouthpawHare Conga rat ululations!

🎵🎶🐀🐀🐀🐀🎵🎶

eimyr

12:47

@Rubiksmoose Does Masks advocate for the GM have pre-made game material?

NautArch

@SouthpawHare boomshakalaka! Congrats!

eimyr

A lot of PbtA games I've seen advise that the GM has no pre-written plot and improvises everything according to game mechanics

kviiri

Yea, Apocalypse World has that "play to find out what happens" bit in the book.

Rubiksmoose

@eimyr That is indeed Masks' ideology as well

Which is part of what is a little nerve wracking on my part. I've only run pre-written adventures before.

eimyr

@Rubiksmoose It's still good to have prepared floating pieces that can be used on short notice, if one is not that familiar with improvisation.

Take notice of your PbtA's lists of things - such as sources of danger etc.

they will be invaluable during your game, I always keep them right on top of all the other materials.

Rubiksmoose

13:00

@eimyr Yeah that is kind of what I have been attempting to do. Basically if I know my main movers' and shakers' motivations and resources well enough I figure I can adapt to the inevitable unforeseen things that I may not be able to improv as well.

eimyr

@Rubiksmoose The best bit of PbtA is that it doesn't matter how good in GMing you are. If you do everything by the book, if you just do what player moves, GM moves and lists say to the letter, you'll still have a great game.

Rubiksmoose

But not gonna lie, I still worry it is going to be rough. We'll see. My players are very good sports and very forgiving. I just hope I can give the system a really good introduction before we have to go back to our main game.

@eimyr That is comforting to hear! I intend to do that so hopefully the system does just that. :)

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose just order pizza, then. Pizza solves everything.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Mmmm pizza :)

I thought the players were supposed to be the ones bribing the DM not the other way around lol

NautArch

I'm trying to figure out the hag eye question

eimyr

13:10

@Rubiksmoose I'm sure you'll do great.

And if not, well, you'll generate some good questions for the mainsite, right?

Rubiksmoose

@eimyr :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. We'll see come Friday eh?

@eimyr In fact, I've already started! masks

@NautArch How much of a hot take would it be to say 1 for this question about short rests?

My logic being that the rules say that short rests are a period of at least 1 hour. If you take 8 hours of short resting with nothing breaking them up it counts as 1 (long) short rest.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I see where you're going with that (at least 1 hour)

To make sure, this is a cheese factory attempt, right (converting spell slots to sorcery points or vice versa without resetting everything?)

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch A veritable cheese factory.

A Very Large Bear

@NautArch That's what I was guessing from the question

SPavel

universetoday.com/139481/…

spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

NautArch

13:16

@AVeryLargeBear It looks like they did update it with an explanation for cheese factory spell slots.

Helwar

@Rubiksmoose didn't know that term. I'll use it :P

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I'd definitely suggest that 8 hour Short Rest. Lactose Intolerant DM.

SPavel

@NautArch 8 hours is a short rest? What are you, a sloth?

NautArch

@SPavel kinda.

have been feeling that lately.

No exercise makes me slothy and I'm trying to rest a sprained AC joint.

but I keep forgetting I"m resting and then do yard work on the weekends.

SPavel

Mix 1:1 coca-cola and cold coffee, add a splash of cream

It will wake you up

You will be, as the kids put it, woked.

NautArch

13:20

@SPavel can't I just cast Awaken?

SPavel

@NautArch No, awaken is a neo-colonial spell of the full caster elite

Helwar

@SPavel ugh?

SPavel

@Helwar It's pretty good actually

Helwar

i don't know about mixing coke and cream

xD

SPavel

If I were drinking that at home I'd add a splash of rum

Maybe a few splashes

NautArch

13:25

@Helwar Coke and milk is delicious. Ask Laverne and Shirley (pepsi, not coke).

Helwar

@NautArch so... It works with Pepsi or with CocaCola? Please clarify :P

NautArch

@Helwar Your DM may allow either.

Helwar

And what would my intestines allow? haha

NautArch

@Helwar all of it. It's basically a float (but melted).

you've never had a root beer float (or coke float?)

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch It does look like Carcer preempted this argument already. My answer would just be showing my lactose-intolerance more than being helpful. And we do embrace all playstyles (I say through gritted teeth)

Helwar

13:27

I don't know what a float is (other than a balloon?), I lack all the culinary bocavulary actually

kviiri

@Helwar A sweet treat consisting of a piece of ice cream floating in a soft drink, eg. root beer

Helwar

huh, i never had it, nope

kviiri

I learned of those things in Eric the Unready because they aren't a thing here either :P

Helwar

I dunno why but the idea of mixing cola with dairy products don't gel very good it my brain

i feel like the soda would spoil the milk O_o

but I'll try this afernoon

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose The DM may be unaware of the effect that the player is trying to do, though. But it may be helpful to show the limitation that they have ot use their sorcery points in order to do this (and therefore wont' have any during the following day.) I'm not sure why the SR is needed (unless they're 20th level and regain 4 sorcery points at short rest).

Helwar

13:32

it's a sorcerer-warlock, he wants to rest to recover his lock spells (I think)

NautArch

@Helwar Prepare to have mind blown. They're delicious. Traditional is Root Beer and Vanilla ice cream, but you can mix and match flavors with any ice cream and any soda. Orange Soda and Vanilla is another homerun (just like the popsicles.)

@Helwar Ah, and therein comes the cheese. Got it.

kviiri

Root beer isn't really huge either at least up here, I've had it a couple of times but it feels like an acquired taste

Helwar

I don't even drink regular beer. I know that ginger beer exists 'cause of @kviiri chemistry, and I heard about root beer a lot of times but did not have enough interest to learn more than it's name :P

kviiri

Both ginger beers and root beers are beers in name only though :) I mean, they're fermented carbonated beverages but that's where the similarities end

Rubiksmoose

Modern root beer has almost nothing in common with beer besides the name

NautArch

13:39

@Helwar @Rubiksmoose So I guess the cheese is you have a max limit on sorcery points. You spend the max to turn into spell slots. Then you SR and get more Spell Slots (which you can then turn into sorcery points and turn back into different spell slots (or more.).

Rubiksmoose

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Q: Is it possible to "charge up" a sorcerer/warlock by taking multiple short rests?

So according to the wonders of multiclassing, it is possible to take levels in both Sorcerer (granting us sorcery points) and Warlock (giving us Pact Magic) which creates the handy combo of turning your unused Pact Magic spell slots into sorcery points thanks to the "flexible casting" ability; PH...

dnd-5e warlock multi-classing sorcerer

Yup. That is it exactly.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose GIngber Beer, too, right?

Helwar

@NautArch that's what I got from it

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch yup! They are sugary carbonated beverages. Nothing to do with beer.

Helwar

does this exist or is it wizardry? harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Butterbeer

eimyr

13:44

@Helwar Exists, tastes awful.

Helwar

@eimyr I figured it would taste awful if it existed

eimyr

@Helwar You can have it while visiting the Harry Potter Tour. I've had mine in their London venue. It's basically butter-flavoured fizzy soda with some malty flavour to it.

Rubiksmoose

@eimyr At least they could make it alcoholic to give it a redeeming quality lol

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose they may have

Sdjz

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Q: What's a good build for a Pathfinder Chronicler?

I'm interested in making a flavor character for a hexcrawl game my group is starting soon. I was considering Cartographer archetype Investigator 5 and then jump in to Pathfinder Chronicler. What is a good build that would keep my character pulling his weight in combat without losing too much fla...

pathfinder character

Anyone want to step in and help here?

Helwar

13:50

I don't even know any of the classes he's mentioning. My foray into pathfinder was luckily very short

Sdjz

No I mean the question is still clearly not ok but I don't want to keep telling the asker that, an effort was made to improve it but it is still not enough, I think. "Is melee or ranged better" is still way too opinion based

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch I am not surprised at this actually lol.

Helwar

@Sdjz oh, you mean the form not the content

Mike Q

15:08

Howdy @GreySage !

GreySage

@MikeQ Yarrrrr

Mike Q

@GreySage Ahoy there ye salty sea dog, what be new with you on these high seas?

GreySage

15:49

@MikeQ Me girls kept wak'n me up last night. Now I be very tired.

NautArch

16:02

VTC as unclear?

Mike Q

@NautArch Unclear motives, maybe. Maybe they're a newish user and don't realize you can self-answer.

NautArch

@MikeQ yah, but even if they move it into an answer, it's not clear what the question is.

Rubiksmoose

Voted as such. I have no idea what they are asking.

Helwar

@NautArch No. I'd say, tell him to separate the actual question from the very good and extensive answer, and auto answer himself!

NautArch

it's either unclear or too broad if it is clear

Helwar

16:06

the question is, what can prestidigitation clean? It just doesn't have any body, the question is all in the title

NautArch

Isn't that too broad?

Helwar

why should it be?

NautArch

why should it be too broad?

Helwar

yeah, I see that the answer is quite simple and not that "broad" at all... He himself details it A LOT, but that doesn't mean that the answer should be broad

it's my opinion though

I have no rep in the site almost :P You guys know better

NautArch

@Helwar THat's a good point - but then the answer is what the spell says, no? WHat does it clean? THe thigns the spell says its cleans?

IF the question is WHat comprises those things the spells says it cleans, then that's way too broad.

That list is finite, but enormous.

Mike Q

16:09

It's unclear if they're trying to address confusion about something specific it can/cannot clean, or if they simply want a comprehensive list

Helwar

I dunno, I just think is a good question (i asked that myself so often) and found the auto-answer to be great and functional

NautArch

@Helwar would you say it completely answers everything Prestidigitation can clean?

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar I actually disagree with most of his points in his self-answer.

Helwar

no, I'd say it gives the book description, and then gives a few thorough examples

NautArch

and deleted, okay, guess I won't try and help :/ (was that a help-pile?)

Rubiksmoose

16:12

the way he summarized his question was 'what are the creative limits of Prestidigitation within the context of 5e D&D, specifically cleaning and soiling products?' So, as stated there, definitely too broad.

Idea generation basically. "What are some clever ways to use the cleaning effect of prestidigitation?" essentially.

Helwar

Sigh, I duno. I thought it was a good question with a good answer in a bad format / presentation, IMO

Rubiksmoose

I mean in his first point he said that corpses could be defined as dirt. Which is beyond a stretch for me. And many of the points down the line depended on that faulty logic.

Helwar

@Rubiksmoose true true. I didn't AGREE with everything he said

Rubiksmoose

I see what you were responding to now. I forgot the last thing I had sent lol.

Well unless they undelete it, it is a moot point I guess.

Helwar

@Rubiksmoose one could say it's a moose point

I'll see myself out now, no need to worry

:P

Rubiksmoose

16:19

hahahaha

NautArch

i was hoping to upvote so that he could come into chat and workshop it

it's not a bad basis for a question

Rubiksmoose

Not a bad basis at all. But they need to focus on a case at a time. Even that answer would have been impossible to vote on because it had a mixture of things to agree and disagree with.

Helwar

I leave now

talk to you later ! :)

Rubiksmoose

ttyl!

SPavel

16:55

Eagle appears to have pooped on the camera

Mike Q

@SPavel Typical for chaotic eagle

Sir Cinnamon

Well I guess we await more rain

Mike Q

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