TRPG General Chat

Ben

12:08 AM

So, I think I just made a decent attempt at figuring out Dark Link's origins

Shalvenay

12:25 AM

hey there @MikeQ

SPavel

@BESW where do I catch this pokemon plz

@BESW I see you found the only system more expensive than Warhammer

BESW

12:41 AM

@SPavel Better link: Sword & Backpack megapost.

Mike Q

12:56 AM

@Ben It's conjecture but I like it anyway. However, I prefer the theory that Dark Link was on his own quest to save Dark Zelda, and the Water Temple fight was a coincidence. Since his defeat led to the subsequent Dark Dark Timeline, he swore revenge against the hero of time.

Ben

@MikeQ plot twist!

So does that mean that Midna is "Shadow Zelda", and whatever the bad dudes name was in TP was "Shadow Ganon"...?

And I did have to refrain from adding the "GAAAAME THEORY" at the end

Shalvenay

hey there @nitsua60

Ben

1:13 AM

Zant?

How's it @shalv

Shalvenay

OK here

Ben

That's good :)

I've finally started to settle in at my new place... Once we get the internet connected, I'll be back to working on my game again. Currently just taking notes on things

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hiya. How's things?

Shalvenay

1:34 AM

OK here, waiting for Korv's notes to show up. btw -- I'll probably wind up fleshing out some of Rrau's IC behavior when I write up the notes that I wasn't able to squeeze into last session due to the need to tunnel-vision on that fight, if that's fine by you?

nitsua60

Of course. I'm always happy when we can keep playing our favorite game(s), even when we're not in session =)

trogdor

1:54 AM

Lol

I don't do much out of session unless I have to apply level ups

KorvinStarmast

2:14 AM

@doppelgreener I followed the contributions on meta and tried to offer a positive voice among the sea of negative feedback. But as you say, choice to leave. I hear that Pilate used the "wash my hands of this" line, back in the day ...

@Shalvenay Notes will get more attention tonight. Had people putting up siding the last few days at the house. Hasn't gone as well as planned, wife stressed out.

BESW

3:35 AM

play d&d to explore parts of yourself that don't normally see the light of day, like the part of you that would absolutely get lost in the feywild for funsies and strike a soul pact with a witch queen

Tweeted by emcheeseman on April 17, 2018 at 7:23 PM

Ben

4:42 AM

I worry about my friends for this reason. They get dark.

By the same token though, every single one of my characters is alcoholic

BESW

5:04 AM

> Sword Throw. If you're wielding a sword, you can make an attack with it into an adjacent zone. You lose the sword, obviously, but the attack gains weapon:4. If you miss with the attack, the target gains I have a sword.

Ben

5:17 AM

@BESW One of my friends likes to, on a successful grapple, add the opponent to his "list of possessions"

[Writes "disgruntled goblin" in possessions]

[Goblin attacks]

[Writes "Caution: bitey"]

trogdor

6:53 AM

Lol

That's something Tak Tha might have tried

Only once though

Han Programer

7:57 AM

@kviiri of course! :D

Derpy

just two clarifications:
First, Dark Link in OoT can be beaten using only the Master Sword should one want to. The only difference is that since is AI is programmed specifically to counter the Master Sword moveset, the battle is more difficult if fought that way. This is why people prefer to use moves that he can't counter, like Din Fire. But that is not an actual requirement.
Second, if you carefully look at the fight, you can notice that Link's shadow/reflection in the water disappears when Dark Link appears. This seems to implicate he is his "reflection" (which is close to Dark Link firs…

That said, I like that your reply does not confuse Dark Link with the Shadow Link(s) from Four Sword Adventure.

trogdor

8:39 AM

yeah I thought I recalled implication that he was just like, your shadow given form to test you or something

BESW

@nitsua60 Is there something you want to tell us?

Cats on sheeps. That is all.

Tweeted by Itslovelynature on April 16, 2018 at 10:51 AM

trogdor

Lol

Yeah, like how you gave up carrying dogs for this? XD

Szega

9:17 AM

@Secespitus Why did you delete that answer about readying bonus spells?

Secespitus

9:35 AM

@Szega I was re-reading a few things, trying to make sure that the answer is correct, but now the question is gone.

Ben

9:54 AM

@Derpy well no I never said you couldn't fight him with the master sword. Just that he parries Your moves

Szega

@Secespitus Yeah, now the point is moot. Still, I think you should leave it up while you search as there is no drawback to deleting it later if it turns out you were mistaken.

Secespitus

10:24 AM

@Szega I'll keep it in mind

Derpy

11:03 AM

@Ben I meant that the line "and can only be hit with a weapon that he cannot mirror (like the Megaton Hammer or the Biggoron Sword)" is not actually true. You can hit him with the Master Sword too, it is just much easier to use a weapon its AI was not build to counter properly.

That said, it is unclear if they intended you to use the Master Sword or another weapon. Arguments could be made for both thesis.

gul

11:23 AM

Hey, stack exchange procedural question

In a comment thread on a question, I realise myself and another person are talking past each other based on a rule I am unsure of. Should I write up a question about it?

Eh what is the harm.

BESW

Seems reasonable.

gul

12:09 PM

alright, first question ever posted

Hopefully it is of acceptable quality and not redundant, but I did not see an exact answer anywhere else.

goodguy5

Morning, Nerds

gul

sup

BESW

[wave]

General rule of thumb: in response to a comment about something that's unclear, try to edit your question to be more clear, rather than providing clarity in a comment of your own.

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David Coffron

^

gul

Ok lemme see what I can do

doppelgreener

12:26 PM

Yep. Write comments assuming they will be deleted tomorrow. Anything that is worth preserving for longer (like clarifying your post) should be preserved by editing it into your question or answer.

Ben

@Derpy ah yeah fair enough. Well yes he can be hit by the master sword. My phrasing is off

doppelgreener

(I mean, they won't always be deleted tomorrow. When a comment gets flagged for removal, and it's suggesting changes, I usually check to make sure the querent's at least been active recently enough to see it before I remove it, and I leave it alone if they probably haven't seen it yet. But write assuming they will be.)

goodguy5

Is anyone actively typing up an answer for gul?

doppelgreener

Someone's posted one

goodguy5

ah, great

then I don't need to

I'm excited to use some alternate "villain" types in my game soon.

Especially the Mr. Freeze (My loved one will die if I don't keep being a criminal)

gul

12:36 PM

and in editing my post i see the exact language explaining what i misunderstood about ranges

which is unfortunate but i am glad i got to try writing up a question, and that someone answered it

that makes me sort of confused about the existence of "touch" as a range in 5e, except as a historical artifact, but hey

Tiggerous

Yeah "touch" and a "range of 5ft" seem to basically mean the same thing.

doppelgreener

@Tiggerous What if you have a really, really, really short-range crossbow?

goodguy5

@gul It's a weird spell that I think they didn't really think about the wording of.

gul

@doppelgreener In researching this question i was reminded that there is, in fact, a range 5 weapon

the net, a true classic many people use often

goodguy5

oh. interesting

but that's also a thrown weapon

doppelgreener

12:43 PM

that does however mean 5ft and touch aren't the same range though

Tiggerous

You can't touch something if it's not within 5ft though? (Unless you're a Bugbear?)

goodguy5

I think that the spell should have had a range of self..... hrm... what's shilleleh (checking)

hrm, that's touch

Magic Stone is also range - Touch

I guess because you're touching the stones.

gul

It's weird, right?

I mean, I get that "touch" is significant, but as a range it does not seem to tell you anything but "Range: 5ft"

Seems like the wrong place to include that information

goodguy5

1:04 PM

Hrm....

I don't know what other place that information should be.

because "touch" feels wrong, as well

David Coffron

It should be in the spell descriptions. Kind of like how it's "a target you can see"

goodguy5

Also, I think that the difference between "touch" and "5 ft" is the difference of "unarmed attack" and "melee weapon attack"

Perhaps signifying that you don't need a hand to do it?

David Coffron

@goodguy5 touch is important because 5e is not assumed to be played on a grid.

goodguy5

That's true, as well

David Coffron

On a grid your touch spells can read 5 feet away since you and the target are "somewhere" in that square

But if not, you range is the length of your arms

goodguy5

1:14 PM

Well, then the range of a dagger should be the length of your arms +1ft

David Coffron

@goodguy5 no. Wielding a dagger is not just extending you arm and touching the enemy with the tip

goodguy5

1:26 PM

it is if it's poisoned ;)

But really, I don't understand what you're trying to say. (I almost said "I don't get your point")

nitsua60

@BESW For years I had a cat who'd come join me for a snuggle any time I took a nap. It looked kinda-like that picture =)

Magician

@nitsua60 ...your avatar is on brand

David Coffron

@goodguy5 my point is that the ranges for melee are simplified to 5 feet. Similarly, we may as well simplify touch ranges to be equal to melee, but there are some cases where a touch spell cannot hit something that a melee attack would be able to.

goodguy5

I don't think that's it.

shocking grasp is touch. You make a melee spell attack
booming blade is 5 feet. you make a melee attack (with a weapon)

David Coffron

@goodguy5 You still have to touch the target for shocking grasp to make the attack. You don't have to touch them for booming blade.

goodguy5

1:40 PM

but also, "touch" doesn't interact with things like spell sniper and long spell or whatever

@DavidCoffron well.... you have to "hit" them, which in 5e is effectively the same

David Coffron

That's fair, but it's clear why they made booming blade 5 foot range and not touch. Touch spells are probably a remnant of past editions, but they do have mechanical differences to 5 foot range

nitsua60

1:58 PM

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Q: Can a Doppelganger's clone use an encounter ability?

So, in my group we have a Doppelganger Yeti. Her yeti ability is an encounter ability (Big Claws) that allows her to make an attack for a minor action. Does Big Claws go on Cooldown (not being able to use it) if her clone use the ability? Double Trouble only says that the clone cannot use dopple...

Hoping I'm not the only one who saw that one ^^ and cancelled their edit to fix our moderator's name.

goodguy5

@DavidCoffron I don't see how, though. They have Thematic differences, for sure. but I can't figure out any mechanical differences.

"I've stolen your fireball, now what?" is a great title

I hope it doesn't get edited

Rubiksmoose

@nitsua60 wait did they try to change it to Doppelgreener?

nitsua60

@Rubiksmoose No, I almost did. "Doppelganger" looked wrong, after all these years with @doppelgreener impinging on my vocabulary =D

Rubiksmoose

@nitsua60 oohhhhh that is pretty funny

SPavel

2:20 PM

@DavidCoffron Reminds me of all those "is touch a fixed range" arguments

I am of the firm belief that if you make a ruleset like D&D, you need to have a strict schema

David Coffron

@goodguy5 well for starters, distant spell and spell sniper interact differently

SPavel

So if you use "range" and a range is either "fixed" or "variable" then you need that attribute in the schema

Basically, D&D needs metadata

goodguy5

Well, yea. I mentioned those. But not including things that AFFECT range.

The actual usage of touch vs 5 feet.

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